Official: Jennings dealt to Houston
For Jason Hirsh, Taylor Buchholz and Willy Taveras!
This is quite a haul for JJ and Miguel Ascencio, I'm expecting that the Astros must have a contract extension already mostly finished. Hirsh is their top pitching prospect, Buchholz isn't far behind. Dan O'Dowd was just mentioned this afternoon by Baseball America as being one of the best GM's in the business in constructing trades, and I was about to question that until this news came in. Woohoo!
Here's more on Hirsh BA's top 10 PCL prospect list where he ranked #9:
"His numbers speak for themselves," Moore said. "He got off to a little bit of a slow start, but after that he had great game after great game. He had a plan and didn't vary from it. With his makeup and mindset, he has a chance to have a lot of success at the next level."
"We Got Fleeced" says Astros blogger rastronomicals at Crawfish Boxes.
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Holding my breath
by MADness on Dec 12, 2006 3:07 PM MST 0 recs
STOP THE PRESSES.....PURPS ALERT
Wow...what a deal. I love it!
by sg8335aa on Dec 12, 2006 3:12 PM MST 0 recs
I'm for that idea,
by Rox Girl on
Dec 12, 2006 3:16 PM MST
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WOW
If it is, I take back every bad thing I've ever said about O'Dowd.
Fantastic trade.
by malakian on Dec 12, 2006 3:14 PM MST 0 recs
Holy Hell
Suppose this means we're looking at Cook-Francis-Kim-Fogg-Buchholz/Rivera/Bautista/Hirsh/Jimenez in the rotation, which I think I'm OK with.
Godspeed, JJ - you battled your ass off for us for four-plus solid seasons. Keep throwing that cutter and attacking the strike zone, kid, and you'll be just fine.
by Franchise26 on Dec 12, 2006 3:14 PM MST 0 recs
Jennings will do well in the JuiceBox
by Rox Girl on
Dec 12, 2006 3:17 PM MST
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Can somebody enlighten ne?
I must admit, while this deal was predestined to be made for the whole winter, I'm completely neutral about it. It could turn out well. Or it could be a continuation of management's fixation with winning in a nebulous future, instead of winning now.
Info on Hirsh and Buchholz much needed so I have the full story. Thanks!
by Silverblood on Dec 12, 2006 3:16 PM MST 0 recs
Okay... answered my own question
by Silverblood on
Dec 12, 2006 3:17 PM MST
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and....
by sg8335aa on
Dec 12, 2006 3:19 PM MST
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Insane in AAA
"named the 2006 Pacific Coast League Pitcher of the Year...held a current, franchise-record, 12-game winning streak with the Express...posted a 1.28 ERA (15ER/105.2IP) over that streak since 5/8 (17G)...posted a club-record 46.2 consecutive innings without an earned run during the streak"
Basically he dominated the minors and then held his own in the majors as a rookie.
by MADness on
Dec 12, 2006 3:27 PM MST
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YES!
by rockiesfan4ever on Dec 12, 2006 3:23 PM MST 0 recs
Guessing
Never know with Hurdle though.
by MADness on
Dec 12, 2006 3:28 PM MST
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If this coincides with Fogg
On second thought, I have more crow to eat than gloating. Props to rox girl for debating against me regarding the size of the return for Jennings. I doubted a major haul, she expected someone to cave, and right now, that looks to be the case.
Excellent deal in every sense of the word. Ascensio had almost no fit in the bullpen this season, and Hirsh and Buchholz puts two talented players at 3 and 4 in the rotation. Taveras should be an improvement in center.
I'm trying to study for a late afternoon final, I don't need this added excitement while I try to cram...
by David "ohno" on Dec 12, 2006 3:28 PM MST 0 recs
Score
Getting Buchholz added in for such a minor piece as Ascencio (even if he does have potential) makes this is an unquestionable great trade for the Rockies.
by MADness on
Dec 12, 2006 3:30 PM MST
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If this does go down
Hell, with two new starting pitchers with plus potential, and a centerfielder that can be at least average, why can't we hang in it in '07 now?
by David "ohno" on
Dec 12, 2006 3:34 PM MST
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Might not be done
I will be excited to see how Taveras fits in here, how he improves and will be happy to have him in center rather than our other options but if we can trade him for some more talent then I won't lose any sleep over trotting out one or all of our options next season.
by MADness on
Dec 12, 2006 3:50 PM MST
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Or we deal Sullivan
I'm not so sure Taveras' value is much higher than Sullivan's to the point where it would be beneficial to take the return over what could be provided on the field for Colorado.
Side note: Looking at Dewan's defensive numbers from 2007, Taveras might be the best defensive centerfielder the Rockies have had in franchise history. He's Gold Glove worthy.
by David "ohno" on
Dec 12, 2006 3:53 PM MST
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Taveras' D
by Rox Girl on
Dec 12, 2006 3:55 PM MST
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Sullivan's D
He isn't Andrew Jones or Torii Hunter in thier primes but he is, IMO, a very very good center fielder.
Just my 2 cents.
by MADness on
Dec 12, 2006 4:10 PM MST
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Some stats do like him,
by Rox Girl on
Dec 12, 2006 4:16 PM MST
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I prefer Willy T
If we can get a lot more for Willy T than we can for Sullivan then it just becomes a matter of optimizing value and increasing our assets.
If someone like the Marlins is stupid and wants to trade us a quality pitching prospect then I don't see how we can pass that up easily.
by MADness on
Dec 12, 2006 3:59 PM MST
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I was thinking about this, too
Taveras has the big time speed though, and his arm is much much better than Juan Pierre's was, even though his batting contact skills are less right now.
by Rox Girl on
Dec 12, 2006 3:54 PM MST
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I'm right there with you
It's been a good long while since the Rockies have done something this interesting and inspiring in an offseason. Let's enjoy it!
by Franchise26 on
Dec 12, 2006 3:31 PM MST
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Yes!!!
This is great news. I am extremely pleased at what DOD was able to get for JJ.
Hopefully an official press release comes out soon!
by avsfan4ever33 on Dec 12, 2006 3:31 PM MST 0 recs
They're announcing it right now!!!
At the official site.
by Rox Girl on Dec 12, 2006 3:32 PM MST 0 recs
Purpura presser
by Franchise26 on Dec 12, 2006 3:34 PM MST 0 recs
Buchholz
Everything I see so far still has it as Taveras and Hirsh.
by MADness on
Dec 12, 2006 3:37 PM MST
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Yes, Purpura mentioned him as part
by Rox Girl on
Dec 12, 2006 3:40 PM MST
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Re: Buchholz
by Franchise26 on
Dec 12, 2006 3:40 PM MST
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Dollars
by Roberbola on Dec 12, 2006 3:36 PM MST 0 recs
Hirsh and Taveras are still at the minimum,
This is a good point because it probably means we can make a stronger bid for Rod Barajas. Why would we do that and tender Yorvit? We could trade one of them (probably Torrealba) come the end of Spring training once we're sure Iannetta is ready to go. Catchers usually fetch a nice premium.
The other option is to go after another relief arm, but there aren't many of those left.
by Rox Girl on
Dec 12, 2006 5:51 PM MST
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options
by Roberbola on
Dec 12, 2006 6:02 PM MST
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I'd almost rather have Kaz/Carroll
by Rox Girl on
Dec 12, 2006 6:05 PM MST
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don't disagree with you there
It is a somewhat recognizable name and could possibly be a moderate box-office draw...ok, maybe not.
Other nontenders that I noted: Joel Piniero, V. Zambrano, Alex Gomez (he of the clutch 2006 playoffs), Chin-Hui Tsao...oh wait.
by Roberbola on
Dec 12, 2006 6:49 PM MST
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Chris Reitsma?
He could be a decent option out of the pen (if healthy).
by malakian on
Dec 12, 2006 6:54 PM MST
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Kudos Dan!
by easccp on Dec 12, 2006 3:37 PM MST 0 recs
Geez...
by DJSkillz on Dec 12, 2006 3:38 PM MST 0 recs
He pulled it off
I was losing faith here the last few weeks that we could do it.
by MADness on
Dec 12, 2006 3:47 PM MST
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Nice
by cofan17 on Dec 12, 2006 3:42 PM MST 0 recs
Welcome, by the way!
:)
by Rox Girl on
Dec 12, 2006 5:46 PM MST
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Confirmed
So sweet.
Even getting back young players this trade may give us a better starting rotation next year than if we had kept Jennings.
Hirsh may not match Jennings' performance but he very well could come close (and there seems to be a good chance that he will be better in the long-term) and even if Buccholz struggles he has the stuff to likely outperform Josh Fogg.
Between Buccholz, U-ball and Bautista I finally feel confident that we will have one young, talented starting pitcher step up next year and solidify the bottom of the starting rotation.
by MADness on Dec 12, 2006 3:44 PM MST 0 recs
Wow...
by rockiesfan06 on Dec 12, 2006 3:55 PM MST 0 recs
Buchholz
Obviously it wasn't a concern for the Rockies, which is how it should be.
Is this deal pending a physical or anything btw?
by avsfan4ever33 on Dec 12, 2006 4:03 PM MST 0 recs
Buccholz's physical
by rockiesfan06 on
Dec 12, 2006 4:04 PM MST
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Yeah, I think this deal is pending physicals
by Rox Girl on
Dec 12, 2006 4:09 PM MST
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Physicals
by Roberbola on
Dec 12, 2006 4:14 PM MST
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RotoTimes on the ball
Just a random note, I find it slightly interesting.
by MADness on Dec 12, 2006 4:13 PM MST 0 recs
I just linked this in the thread below
by Rox Girl on Dec 12, 2006 4:25 PM MST 0 recs
According to CBSportsline.com
Hirsch- 156
Buchholz- 147
Jennings- 55
Asencio- 173
Sully-26
by rockiesfan4ever on Dec 12, 2006 4:42 PM MST 0 recs
Wow
Dowd finally did it. And Houston blinked. This is great news!
by Redhawk on Dec 12, 2006 4:49 PM MST 0 recs
cute
by Rox Girl on
Dec 12, 2006 5:16 PM MST
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Buchholz
It's nice to see such universally positive reaction about something the Rox front office does. We don't see that all too often. Mark at Bad Altitude hates it, but then again, he hates a lot of things (which is what makes him a compelling read, even though I don't often agree with him), and I think he's approaching the deal as though Taveras is the centerpiece from our end, which isn't right.
by Franchise26 on Dec 12, 2006 5:54 PM MST 0 recs
What is the web address...
by jlot10 on
Dec 12, 2006 5:58 PM MST
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Here you go
It's also in the links section on the right.
by Russ on
Dec 12, 2006 5:59 PM MST
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I know he's such the lovable curmudgeon
I don't buy the theory that a lack of power and plus speed doesn't translate well to the park, either. Look at what Dave Roberts did to us last season. Seven hits in 27 AB's isn't spectacular, but he also walked five times, stole six bases scored five runs and took twelve years off the life of our starters due to stress. I think with the right approach he can be successful at the top of the order.
by Rox Girl on
Dec 12, 2006 6:03 PM MST
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More on Willy Taveras
If he's so lousy at so many things, why then do I say that Astro fans will be sorry to see him go? Well, for one thing, Taveras tends to lunge at the ball in a way that gets him a head start towards first base. And he's got an uncanny knack for making contact while doing just that. But we Astro fans imagined that Willy would start batting flat-footed. If he could make contact lunging at the ball, imagine what he might do if he batted properly, reserving the swinging bunt stuff for special occasions? Doubles into the gap, no, triples into the gap. No, he'll never hit homers,. but it's not hard to imagine a lot of doubles, and 20 triples.
Defensively, Taveras is near the top of the NL. He has a strong, extremely accurate gun. You're I'm sure aware of how he threw out three Cubs at the plate in three consecutive games early in '05? They stopped running so much on Willy after that, but he still piles up outfield assists. More so in 2005, and less in 2006, Taveras would take bad, sometimes stupid, routes to the ball. His blazing speed sometimes allowed him to make up for his error, someitmes it didn't. But he was better in 2006. It's important to note the learning curve on defense, because it indicates that hoping for offensive improvement is not a pipe dream. Anyway, I believe not that he could win Gold Gloves around the turn of the decade, but that he should. That is, if he can stay in the league with his bat.
Last and maybe most importantly, Willy can be absolutely electric to watch. Down the stretch in '05, and during his 30-game hit streak in '06, he just had a way of igniting the team around him. That seems so unscientific, but there is just no other way to put it. After ANOTHER shortstop was pressured by Willy's speed into making ANOTHER half-bobble, and he beat out ANOTHER infield hit, and he started clapping his hands up the line the way he does . . . I seen it a bunch. If he can show any kind of improvement at all (and he should, considering what I've said about the learning curve on defense, and the fact that he only turns 25 on Christmas) he should be a big fan favorite at Coors.
This sounds nice...
by Rox Girl on Dec 12, 2006 6:19 PM MST 0 recs
i'm not sold on taveras, and also...
beyond that im not sold on this deal in its entirety yet. hirsh and bucholz are fine. good, great, hopefully at least one of them can fill in with significant innings next year. but i dont like taveras much. the guy gets an extra base hit about once every solar eclipse and doesnt have the OBP you want out of a leadoff guy. i know his defense is good but im not comfortable with him getting 600 ABs yet. show me you can do more than single and steal a bag every once in a while. also, maybe more importantly, i want to see the $$$ we saved put to good use on holliday or atkins asap. if monfort doesnt want to overpay for pitching right now becasue the market's bad, that's fine, but make sure you put it to use somewhere else.
by LarryB303 on Dec 12, 2006 6:23 PM MST 0 recs
ShhH! Don't remind DOD
Anyway, I want to see Taveras this Spring before I completely make up my mind on that part myself, but the pitchers are solid, Hirsh in particular, but Buchholz and Taveras are just the kind of questionable throw ins that turn solid deals into Liriano/Nathan/Bonser for Pierzynski type hijacks. Remember at the time, Bonser was a failed prospect and Liriano had some big injury concerns. Buchholz is the one that now has the injury/inconsistency concerns, and Willy T hasn't shown the same patience in the bigs that he had in the minors. The key to me is that the skills are there, Rockies coaches just need to get them out now.
by Rox Girl on
Dec 12, 2006 6:35 PM MST
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agreed
oh yeah, and if hirsh and bucholz become liriano and bonser, even if it's 2-3 years from now, ill be sure to go back to this thread and delete my posts. haha.
by LarryB303 on
Dec 12, 2006 6:41 PM MST
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yep, obviously that's an extreme
by Rox Girl on
Dec 12, 2006 6:51 PM MST
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Reasonable short-term
If we didn't have such an abysmal hitter in CF last year Taveras wouldn't be an upgrade at all.
That said, he should give us our short-term solution in center while we wait to either acquire a much better centerfielder via free-agency or trade or wait for Dexter Fowler to develop.
by MADness on
Dec 12, 2006 7:37 PM MST
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Good job DOD
by GenRfan on Dec 12, 2006 8:08 PM MST 0 recs
i envy you all
and weakening the asstros is always a wonderful thing.
by Daedalus on Dec 12, 2006 8:33 PM MST 0 recs
I'm surprised Taveras
He's the best option left, and even if the improvement is incremental, we win on that account.
What's lost in most of this is that Taveras turns 25 this month, the same age of Sullivan when he entered the league! Take a stroll over to fangraphs.com, and you'll see that Taveras has improved on his BB rate each season in the bigs, and his BB rates in the minors were pretty solid. His BABIP, though still above league average, took a slight hit, and that number naturally increases at Coors Field.
All Taveras has to do is continue developing. If the BB rate continues to go up, he'll be a very useful player. Just looking at the Bill James Handbook, he's projected to have a better year than both Sullivan and our first target, Dave Roberts. With the way Coors Field grass slows balls down, Taveras should have little trouble hitting over .300, and an OBP over .350 isn't out of the question. Did I forget to mention that Coors Field lowers K rates?
It's not like we just got Grady Sizemore, but we might have landed Juan Pierre with more defense and a friendly contract, which could be worth a win or two in the standings. Is that huge? No, but this is no step backwards.
Let's not get hung up on his bigger flaws and forget to see that the Rockies landed a pretty useful player here, even if he's slightly better than league average.
by David "ohno" on Dec 12, 2006 9:35 PM MST 0 recs
Geez...
by Rox Fan in TN on Dec 12, 2006 9:47 PM MST 0 recs
I feel the pain of finals...
by rockiesfan06 on
Dec 12, 2006 10:35 PM MST
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I have one more
by Rox Fan in TN on
Dec 12, 2006 10:44 PM MST
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Finals do suck
I won't have to analyze another circuit for at least a month.
Great trade by the way. Sad to see JJ go, but we got a very solid return for him. I wish him the best of luck.
by wolf213 on
Dec 12, 2006 10:59 PM MST
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Analyzing circuits
by Rox Fan in TN on
Dec 12, 2006 11:12 PM MST
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True
Its not that debating isn't fun, its just the fact that humans are very picky creatures and no matter what logic presents it self, they are never going to think they are wrong.
That and I didn't want to spend the rest of my life trying to solve the same problems over and over just because people can't learn to respect and get along with each other. I have the upmost respect for the people who do chose that job for their career.

