Tuesday Pebble Report
Chris Constancio identifies LHP Xavier Cedeno as a prospect to watch in 2007. I believe we qualify as those fans he references in his first sentence.
Colorado Springs, L 5-14: Joe Koshansky collected two hits, including a double, and walked twice. Ubaldo Jimenez was rocked in his first start of the season. He lasted 2 2/3 IP, allowed 11/9 R/ER on 8 hits, walked five and allowed two homers. Denny Bautista struck out two in one inning of work, while Ryan Speier saw two runs cross home plate in the final inning.
Tulsa, W 9-4: Tim Olson led the Drillers to victory last night with a grand slam in the fifth inning and totaled 5 RBI. Matt Miller also chipped in two. Jordan Czarniecki did not have a hit last night, but did walk three times. Juan Morillo pitched for one inning and put zeros across his line.
Modesto, L 6-7 in 12: Jose Valdez had three hits in the loss and an RBI, while Travis Becktel drove in two. Eric Young had an ignominious night as he struck out five times. Xavier Cedeno had a lackluster start in that he only went 3 2/3 IP. He only allowed one earned run on five hits in that performance and struck out five. Andrew Johnston struck out three in two innings before David Patton picked up the loss.
Asheville, L 4-7: Simon Ferrer was knocked around in 4 IP. He allowed five runs on eight hits, walked and struck out three each and allowed a homer. The offense whiffed 16 times in the contest.
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U-Ball makes Matt Eddy's List of AAA pitchers to follow this season.
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THIS GAME IS SO FRUSTRATING!!!!!!!!
by 86 wins in 07 on Apr 10, 2007 9:19 AM MDT reply actions
Ubaldo
But the point remains: he has terrible control, and he hasn't really shown any signs of improving in that department over the past few years. In order to believe that Ubaldo is major-league ready, you have to look completely outside the performance history. And I'm not willing to do that.
Again, this is in no way an indictment of his potential. But major-league readiness isn't a question of potential; it requires (in all but the most extreme cases) the ability to control the strike zone. Ubaldo doesn't have that. Neither does Tulo. Iannetta does (awful start to '07 notwithstanding), which is why I think he's the best prospect in the organization.
Another thing that worries me about Ubaldo is that his strikeout rate really plummeted after moving up to AAA last year. Could be a sample size fluke, sure, but it also could be that he's not able to get ahead in the count against more disciplined hitters.
Jimenez
Jimenez was spectacular during the spring, and there's no reason to believe last night's start and numbers were just due to some unfortunate circumstances he had to deal with. He'll be fine.
by Rockiesbiggestfan on Apr 10, 2007 11:16 AM MDT up reply actions
Last night was clearly a data point in your favor
It's a bit of confirmation bias
I would love to hear your argument
Let me just say
I think the issue with control is that though it matters, there are more than just extreme cases where players can succeed without it. It's not fair to completely saddle Jimenez with prhobitive control issues. While his list of PECOTA comparables isn't great, it also contains Freddy Garcia (trending up) and A.J. Burnett, who aside from injuries has been a useful player. The walks may keep him from becoming the ace some envision, but the strikeouts are too early to call off. If you look at Jimenez' career, he's taken time at some levels before adjusting. Most recently, in his mid-season promotion to Tulsa, his K rates fell as his walk rate climbed. After an off-season to get adjusted, he returned to strikeout over a batter an inning, with rates of 4.9 BB/9 and 10.5 K/9 (MLE's of 5.0 and 7.8), a K rate high enough to overcompensate for the walks, ala Daniel Cabrera. Then shuttled to the Springs at mid-season, the K rate fell again, as like in 2005, he sturggled to get acclimated with the league in a timely fashion. There cold be a case of small sample size here, but if you look at BP's MLE's for his walk rate, these are the numbers in succession from his last four stops (not including his major league debute: 5.6, 5.4, 5.0, 4.7, none of which makes for successful control, but the MLE's suggest that he's slowly making progress in that category. If we assume that Jimenez is a slow starter (even last year in his AA return, he took him a handful of starts to get locked in), than we could also assume that the K rate should return as he gains more exposure to AAA.
Now, the problem here may be the environment, not necessarily the competition. Since CSP does not use a hunidor, and is at a higher park factor than Coors, we could expect Jimenez to lose feel of his curveball and movement on the rest of his pitches. The debate here may rest in whether or not CSP is a good place for prospects, or, should the Rockies pony up for a humidor in CSP (yes).
In summation, Jimenez is young enough to still make gains, and his trends in walk rates are in his favor, but not out of the red just yet. While I think him reaching "ace" status is a longshot, he does have value to a big league club. PECOTA projections for his 2007 VORP at Coors would exceed Fogg's actual VORP last season, so a case could be made for Jimenez actually improving the team right now. Even if the walks stay around roughly 4 per 9, if the K's hover around 7 per 9, then he's going to be worth a win or two starting, and in the days of overpriced starting pitching, he's valuable.
As for Tulowitzki's problem's controlling the strike zone, that's far too early to call. His PECOTA comparables are loaded with value (Kinsler, Weeks, Peralta, Cuddyer, Edwin Encarnacion, Michael Young, Betemit, Barfield...) few may be considered superstars, but putting their production offensively in at shortstop, and you have superior relative value to most opponent's shortstops. As for his early woes, should they be too out of line for a 22 year old that has never taken a swing at Triple A? He did have a 9% walk rate for a 21 year old in Double A, so there is evidence of competency in command of the strike zone. He's not going to be Todd Helton at the plate, but for a shortstop, he'll suffice.
If he just went 3-3 tonight, he'd be hitting .300 on the year, a .78 jump in average from his current total. I know average doesn't mean a great deal to you (nor to me), but it serves as a good illustration to how young the season is.
MLEs
"Even if the walks stay around roughly 4 per 9, if the K's hover around 7 per 9, then he's going to be worth a win or two starting..."
Jimenez walked almost 5 per nine at both levels of the minors last year. 4 walks per nine in the big leagues would be a massive improvement. In other words, I don't disagree with the statement quoted above, but that's one hell of an "if".
On Tulo...
"As for his early woes, should they be too out of line for a 22 year old that has never taken a swing at Triple A?"
No, they aren't out of line. Which is precisely the problem. Again, I'm not questioning the long-term potential here, I'm just saying that there's no reason to expect these guys to be particularly useful to us in the present.
Fair enough
Tulsa wins
That, friends, is Greg Reynolds' line from his start this afternoon in a 7-0 win for the Drillers.
Not too shabby, huh?
11-6 GO/AO
As was I...
by Rox Rock on Apr 10, 2007 3:19 PM MDT up reply actions
Now it's my turn for some confirmation bias
I'm working on my Drillers rundown
I'll go over the details of both his outings in that story to be post late tonight/early tomorrow.
Box score error
Reynolds' line from today:
7 IP, 2 Hits, 0 walks, 7 strikeouts
One "hit" was really
Seven Shut Out Innings
Another one of my faves making it big...
I'm really excited about how our homegrown pitching
is maturing right now. Once some of our offenseive guys get going (nice triple by Gomez and two doubles by Mayora, speaking of) it will become an incredible year for watching the farm.
I'd like to see the team push Sullivan
He's certainly a prospect, but also quite an enigma.

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