Game #33: Buchholz vs. Brad Thompson
Putting this up earlier than usual today.
Buchholz takes the mound for his third start, while Brad Thompson makes his first start of the season after 14 relief appearances. Or as Tom at The Coors Effect puts it, "our injury fill-in starter versus their injury fill-in starter."
In two starts at Busch Stadium in 2006, Buchholz pitched 8 1/3 innings and allowed eight runs on 10 hits. He walked seven (three were intentional) and struck out three. In a start at Minute Maid Park against the Cardinals last season, Buchholz went six innings and allowed two runs on three hits.
In five innings of relief work against the Rockies, Brad Thompson has allowed only one run. So far in 2007, Thompson appears to have a couple good outings and then comes in and gives up a run or two. He had a span of four consecutive outings in which he gave up runs at the end of April.
Go Rockies! We don't want to wait an extra day for another road series victory.
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Now that I think about it...
And Buchholz is the "injury fill-in starter for the injury fill-in starter."
by Rox Fan in TN on May 8, 2007 4:17 PM MDT reply actions
Clint Hurdle:
so..
Um...
The Monforts
Maybe Hurdle's Enlightenment...
I'll root for the Rockies tonight
That gives us two of three, right?
:)
Yeah, but...
by Rox Fan in TN on May 8, 2007 5:56 PM MDT up reply actions
That's kind of a problem.
Ah, yes
by Rox Fan in TN on May 8, 2007 6:01 PM MDT up reply actions
Let's make this a good game, please!
by lgh77 on May 8, 2007 5:57 PM MDT reply actions
Bob Davidson at 1B tonight
Steve Finley is bad at baseball.
Al Hrabosky
by Rox Fan in TN on May 8, 2007 6:16 PM MDT reply actions
Hrbowsky.
Wow
Go figure
Thankfully, we got a GIDP in that situation.
Get off of it!
by lgh77 on May 8, 2007 6:26 PM MDT reply actions
Check out those doubles!
Mike Shannon is the worst announcer
Not only is he a terrible homer, he doesn't remember who is on the basepaths. You can actually hear him looking down at his scorecard to figure out who the opposing players are.
Drives me insane.
But that's why I like him
It's not the homer-ness that bothers me,
You'd think if you were in the business of baseball, you would bother to learn the names of all the players.
Come on Q get a hit....
Sweet job, Gags
Bad, bad, bad
by Rox Fan in TN on May 8, 2007 6:34 PM MDT reply actions
Maybe not
by lgh77 on May 8, 2007 6:37 PM MDT up reply actions
the pitcher and Steve Finley after
Gallego's gotta know
two hop throw...
We didn't get the run
Well...
by Rox Fan in TN on May 8, 2007 6:38 PM MDT up reply actions
I was about to say...
Looks like that sinker is working
by Rox Fan in TN on May 8, 2007 6:41 PM MDT reply actions
He thinks
by Rox Fan in TN on May 8, 2007 6:49 PM MDT up reply actions
Sweet
by Rox Fan in TN on May 8, 2007 6:51 PM MDT reply actions
I was just about to say that
by lgh77 on May 8, 2007 6:52 PM MDT up reply actions
Matt Holliday, sir
Busch III, actually
Busch Stadium I
by Rox Fan in TN on May 8, 2007 6:55 PM MDT up reply actions
Ugh...
by Rox Fan in TN on May 8, 2007 6:53 PM MDT reply actions
It really does seem
Bullet up the middle
Well
okie dokie
Nerdvana, I know. Enjoy the game and go Rockies!
FOR THE LOVE OF GOD
The man is a double play machine right now!! Honestly, Clint!
Tough inning
Rolen's offense is suspect
Is it that
by Rox Fan in TN on May 8, 2007 7:20 PM MDT reply actions
No jinxing
by lgh77 on May 8, 2007 7:22 PM MDT up reply actions
It's the Cardinals.
C'mon Tulo
WTF?
by Rox Fan in TN on May 8, 2007 7:27 PM MDT reply actions
Ok, rules experts -
I don't think so
by Rox Fan in TN on May 8, 2007 7:30 PM MDT up reply actions
Good job
by Rox Fan in TN on May 8, 2007 7:32 PM MDT reply actions
THAT'S Pitching
With the Cards offense these days...
Gotcha, that makes more sense
Wow
by Rox Fan in TN on May 8, 2007 7:35 PM MDT reply actions
Buchholz, BTW
by Rox Fan in TN on May 8, 2007 7:36 PM MDT reply actions
Come on, Garrett
Walking Atkins again?
Ummm...
by Rox Fan in TN on May 8, 2007 7:38 PM MDT reply actions
Yorvit
Anything but
Argh
by Knepster on May 8, 2007 7:46 PM MDT reply actions
Taylor
Honestly
by Rox Fan in TN on May 8, 2007 7:49 PM MDT up reply actions
Taylor is pitching
It is a good job
Hurdle
by Rox Fan in TN on May 8, 2007 7:50 PM MDT reply actions
My thoughts exactly
They just showed Buchholz with a helmet on. It looks like he'll go back out there.
by lgh77 on May 8, 2007 7:54 PM MDT up reply actions
Bad call
by lgh77 on May 8, 2007 7:56 PM MDT up reply actions
Who is on the mound?
by Knepster on May 8, 2007 7:54 PM MDT reply actions
And, well, he is
by Rox Fan in TN on May 8, 2007 7:55 PM MDT up reply actions
Baker PHing.
Buchholz is done
MMyy nniicckknaame
wwooww
did you see that look buchholz gave hurdle?
Mr. Ditto dittoes.
Come on guys
by lgh77 on May 8, 2007 7:59 PM MDT reply actions
Finley
by raoulduke1977 on May 8, 2007 8:00 PM MDT reply actions
Wow
by Rox Fan in TN on May 8, 2007 8:00 PM MDT reply actions
Pulling a guy at 71 pitches
Gotcha covered, Hurdle.
I'm just trying
by Knepster on May 8, 2007 8:03 PM MDT up reply actions
Me too.
Me too
by lgh77 on May 8, 2007 8:05 PM MDT up reply actions
oddly....
Hmmm...
by Rox Fan in TN on May 8, 2007 8:03 PM MDT reply actions
Who was he throwing that to?
by lgh77 on May 8, 2007 8:04 PM MDT reply actions
Bautista looking hittable
Cut it out!
by lgh77 on May 8, 2007 8:08 PM MDT reply actions
That's it
I'll help
by lgh77 on May 8, 2007 8:13 PM MDT up reply actions
Bases loaded, 1 out
by lgh77 on May 8, 2007 8:11 PM MDT reply actions
WTF is this?
by Rox Fan in TN on May 8, 2007 8:12 PM MDT reply actions
Are you trying to tell me, Hurdle
I can't believe that guy.
Spiezio tends to be good in the clutch
Thanks Buchholz
by Rox Fan in TN on May 8, 2007 8:14 PM MDT reply actions
I'm going to kill Hurdle
Why?
Bautista shares the blame
And an RBI single to Kennedy plates two more. Really brilliant managing. Really brilliant relieving.
The point is
by lgh77 on May 8, 2007 8:19 PM MDT up reply actions
All I'll say is
That is possible
Pre-hindsight?
With only one inning needed to bridge to Corpas and a young, unpredictable and banged up bullpen Clint is going to have to adjust his 'standards' and trade his manager cliche book in for a while if he wants the Rockies to have a chance to survive all of these injuries and the slow start to the season.
Chuck his manager cliche book?
Buut if Bautista had done his job
The point is
by lgh77 on May 8, 2007 8:34 PM MDT up reply actions
Geez
by stuntdaddy1 on May 8, 2007 8:15 PM MDT reply actions
I hate this
by lgh77 on May 8, 2007 8:16 PM MDT reply actions
Clint's culpability only goes so far
Which is our point
by lgh77 on May 8, 2007 8:23 PM MDT up reply actions
Put it this way
by stuntdaddy1 on May 8, 2007 8:26 PM MDT up reply actions
Put it this way
Put it this way
I wsn't arguing that
No it's not
by lgh77 on May 8, 2007 8:37 PM MDT up reply actions
You're obviously not getting it
by stuntdaddy1 on May 8, 2007 8:32 PM MDT up reply actions
I get it fine
But he didn't
by stuntdaddy1 on May 8, 2007 8:39 PM MDT up reply actions
Just wondering
by Knepster on May 8, 2007 8:33 PM MDT up reply actions
not a free pass
Number one
by Knepster on May 8, 2007 8:39 PM MDT up reply actions
Actually, he is
by lgh77 on May 8, 2007 8:43 PM MDT up reply actions
Manager
While Danny Ardoin and Clint Barmes may have been the guys who couldn't have hit a beach ball last year it was still Clint who sent them out there over and over again.
Taking out a guy who is currently dominating and putting in a guy whose entire career has been defined by wildness is an entirely different situation than second guessing a logical move.
Exactly
by Knepster on May 8, 2007 8:22 PM MDT up reply actions
Who would ever have thunk
Guys, please get hits, otherwise I'll be arrested for offing the Mensa candidate after the game.
Again
by stuntdaddy1 on May 8, 2007 8:28 PM MDT reply actions
<sigh>
On the bright side
by stuntdaddy1 on May 8, 2007 8:37 PM MDT reply actions
I'll go check
This one was good
by stuntdaddy1 on May 8, 2007 8:40 PM MDT up reply actions
Twins
by Knepster on May 8, 2007 8:40 PM MDT up reply actions
Yes, that one cracked me up
http://mlb.mlb.com/col/fan_forum/commercials.jsp
Damn
by stuntdaddy1 on May 8, 2007 8:46 PM MDT reply actions
I hate you Clint Hurdle!
by lgh77 on May 8, 2007 8:46 PM MDT reply actions
pile on hurdle all you want
WOW
I'd like a chance to rebut all of you, if you don't mind. I'll post something on my blog later tonight, and come back and link the post here. Sound fair?
Have at it
I can see that David OhNo made a few of the points that I was going to make about Buchholz's removal, but all the same, I'd appreciate if you folks would take a look at this. I ain't mad at ya'll. Just want to defend myself.
Excellent post
by stuntdaddy1 on May 9, 2007 12:13 AM MDT up reply actions
I hear ya
Let's be fair here
That said, let's not forget how LUCKY Taylor's outing was. In six innings, he had no K's until his last batter, to go with one walk. Between that, he had SEVENTEEN outs on balls in play, with a fairly even split in gorundballs to flyballs. This isn't the recipe for a shutout, and in a one run game, it wasn't like he was in complete control. While I like that this outing should buy more time for Buchholz in the rotation, he has to strike out more batters or he'll get run early in his next outing when all the balls in play find gaps and not gloves.
As for Bautista, most people adored him over the weekend, but oh how things change so quickly. The bullpen is close to barren, and really, this team's "playoff" chances are on the ropes. They needed everything to break right, and it hasn't. Rather than getting to preoccupied for 2007, the team should be focusing on players that can help now, and down the road, and that means throwing Bautista out there every other day and hoping that some type of control clicks for him. Same for Arias, though I don't see him as any type of fixture in the pen. Bautista has shown some "stopper" qualities in his first few outings, so you cannot blame Hurdle for wanting to see if he has another flamethrowing young stud. As he proved, Bautista isn't as close as we hoped, but he still needs to pitch while he's here.
The big point, as has been made, is that the only offense the team mustered was a solo homer on a pitch that missed way wide of its target. That's all we had, off of a mistake. This isn't on Hurdle, this was a group effort.
Not getting your logic
As for Bautista, I understand wanting to see what you have in him but testing him out in a one run game where the only offense our team had managed to that point was Holliday's homerun also does not make sense. Test him out with either a larger run differential or in a situation where we were already down.
Do I think we could have won the game, 1-0? Who knows. All I do know is that Buchholz had been through the order two and a half times and the Cardinals were not hitting him better the second time they faced him. He was dominating them. Hurdle should have stuck with the known dominating pitcher in Buchholz than take a gamble on a rookie to hold the lead. Buchholz has thrown a complete game shutout before (May 21, 2006 against the Rangers) and was 1 out short of a second. He may have been able to go the distance or, at least, one more inning so we could have turned the game over to Corpas.
by lgh77 on May 8, 2007 9:28 PM MDT up reply actions
It's pretty standard logic really
His BABIP for the outing was .190 where the league average BABIP for the year is over .300. Buchholz has not had a past of holding hitters far below this line, for tonight, he was pretty lucky. I'd buy your argument more if this was some time of trend for Taylor, where he's shown competency in the pitch to contact style, ala Cook, but from his last several outings, that hasn't been the case.
For me to truly believe a pitcher is cruising, I want to see K's and groundouts. I still think to a degree Buchholz is capable of doing this, but it wasn't the case today.
I'm not going to argue this point with you any further, though, and it isn't for animosity's sake. I'm assuming from your past posts that you have some type of connection with Taylor, evidenced by your unwavering support, and that's fine. The problem is that it tends to get in the way of open debate.
So in summation, I'm not saying Buchholz pitched bad, because that's clearly false. I am saying that he was lucky, and the numbers will support me. I'm hoping that this is a confidence builder for Buchholz, and that his outing will give him an extended look in the rotation (which puts Fogg on the more immediate hot seat), and with more confidence the strikeouts his stuff is capable of producing will come. I would like to see more breaking pitches. He has a good hook that he seems to control better than his fastball, but Yorvit seems to get a little to heater happy in his calls. With a hard but relatively straight heater, more breaking pitches should keep hitters from digging in on the fastball.
yes its questionable to pull bucholz
Bautista
Like you, I am all for finding out just what Buchholz and Bautista can do but when you have a guy who goes Rick Ankiel at random times, sending him out in a 1 run ball-game when you are trying to keep your season alive might not be the brightest decision.
BTW, I like Hurdle and I don't tend to agree with about half of the complaints that I hear about him but stringing together a significant number of questionable decisions this early in the season is not doing much for a reputation that was already battered as the result of managing teams with inferior talent for so many years.
True, but
So I don't think the decision for Bautista should be questioned, but whether or not a reliever should have been used in the seventh is the debate. I think it's a toss up. The team was not scoring, and if Baker reaches base and starts a rally, Hurdle would have made the right call. As I stated, Buchholz wasn't necessarily dominating, and he lacks the track record to bank on continued success in the seventh.
Personally, I probably wouldn't have pinch hit for Taylor either, but I don't think this was some gross error in judgment. This is probably drawing too much attention away from the fact that the only offense was generated on a poorly located sinker. After Holliday this team was dormant.
I agree
Bottom line is we're sitting at 14-19, tied for the 3rd worst record in the national league, and need to change that quickly or else it's going to be another hugely disappointing campaign ending with a lot more questions then answers.
by stuntdaddy1 on May 8, 2007 9:58 PM MDT up reply actions
I don't think you understand
If you were to take a neutral pitcher, and I told you that he wouldn't strike anybody out, or walk anybody for 21 batters,and these 21 would hit a mix of balls in the air and on the ground faily evenly, you'd probably expect 6-7 of those 21 to have hits, which would mean there would be 14-15 outs, which is roughly 5-6 innings. If these hits get spread out fairly evenly, then your pitcher may stay unharmed, but if a couple occur in one inning, it will lead to a run. There's also a chance that with 21 opportunities for a hit or error, more than those 6-7 will reach base, maybe some games 10 will, and if enough happen close together, runs will be allowed. On the flip side, maybe only four guys get hits, which makes it more likely they will be spaced out, and it will be harder for runs to be scored. Buchholz lived on the right side of the spectrum today, but with this type of outing, he's just as likely as getting on the wrong side, where ten of the 21 get hits, and some close together where he allows three runs. As long as he's not walking guys, it shouldn't get out of hand, but you need more strikeouts, or a Wang, Carmona, Cook -esque GB% to avoid random chance.
Just chalked this game up as the fates of baseball paying back Buchholz for his unlucky start, but as the game proves cruel too often, a win was too much to ask for.
Alright
by stuntdaddy1 on May 8, 2007 10:30 PM MDT up reply actions
Even with those probablities...
by jlikesrockies on May 9, 2007 2:28 AM MDT up reply actions
Another thing
by stuntdaddy1 on May 8, 2007 10:01 PM MDT reply actions

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