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Tulsa, L 3-4: Christian Colonel had a two-run homer in the eighth inning to tie the game at three, but Jarrett Grube allowed a walk-off homer to Colby Rasmus. Ryan Mattheus had a decent six innings after allowing three runs (two earned), but he struck out only one. Jonathan Herrera had two errors, fielding and throwing.

Modesto, L 4-5: Alan Johnson threw a complete game, but the three-run homer he allowed in the eighth inning gave him the loss. He also struck out seven. EY Jr. and Chris Nelson combined for four of the team's five hits. Both had homers, Junior's a three-run homer (as part of his 3-for-4 night).

Tri-City, W 3-2: Lars Davis's drove in two on a single in the fourth and eventually scored the third run of the inning on an error was enough to tame Salem-Keizer in the first game of the NWL Championship Series. Brian Rike had a double as part of three-hit night. Robinson Fabian allowed two runs in 7 1/3 innings before giving way to the bullpen. Austin Chambliss entered in the ninth for the save after Riquy Pena walked the first two batters. Chambliss walked the first batter he faced, but recorded the save after striking out the next two batters and inducing a ground ball out to end the game.

Casper, W 3-2: Jeff Cunningham led the offense last night with two doubles, a two-run homer in the first, and two RBI. Shane Lowe added a triple. Unfortunately for Jeff Fischer, he'll wind up winless in his first pro season. He went six innings, allowed two runs, and struck out six. Zack Murry drove in the winning run in the bottom of the eighth, allowing Randall Taylor to strike out two on his way to his fifth save.

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Colonel will get a call up?

by 86 wins in 07 on Sep 7, 2007 10:37 AM MDT reply actions  

Seems unlikely.
A combination of no space on the 40-man roster, lack of playing time and the team aiming for the playoffs  would indicate no.
"Don't give up the ship!" - Capt. James Lawrence

by Russ Oates on Sep 7, 2007 1:02 PM MDT up reply actions  

Newman. . .
is with the team in Denver.

by ModNut on Sep 7, 2007 10:00 PM MDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't be surprised if Serafini is DFA'ed
in favor of auditioning Newman in the very near future.

by David OhNo on Sep 7, 2007 11:15 PM MDT up reply actions  

BA Chat today
Q: Russ from NY asks:
In the long-term, who would you take: Chris Nelson or Hector Gomez? Neither has a future at SS for the Rockies, so moves to 2B and CF aren't out of the question.

A:
  Chris Kline: I like Nelson OK, but Gomez is something else. Huge fan. Great actions at SS with a good ability to put the barrel on the ball at a low level. I go Gomez.

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"Don't give up the ship!" - Capt. James Lawrence

by Russ Oates on Sep 7, 2007 1:11 PM MDT reply actions  

Nelson vs Gomez
Seems to be a subject that won't go away. I've already offered my comments once before, but think it's worthwhile to probe this one a little more. First, exactly how many times has Kline actually seen Gomez (or Nelson) play this year? How many specifically? His comment sounds like it comes straight from the Rockies' PR department. Saying he's a "huge fan" of Gomez would imply he's had lots of opportunities to observe him over the course of the season. Or, on the other hand, maybe he saw him once in spring training or during the season and read or listened to someone else's opinion of him. Presto! Another expert opinion from BA. Sorry, but I've seen this movie before. To wit, "a good ability to put the barrel on the ball." You mean as in hitting .160 over the last month of the season and striking out 35 % of the time? Or being dropped to eighth in the line-up by the manager? "Great actions at SS," says Kline? Huh? After 39 errors and plenty of other attempts labeled as hits that were obvious errors? Yes, as I said before, he's got a GREAT arm, but if "actions" means good footwork, squaring up to the ball, having a quick release (or at least not double clutching), well Kline must be confusing him with someone else. His remark reminds me of the old Groucho Marx line: who you gonna believe, me or your lyin' eyes? Sorry, Mr. Kline, I only saw Gomez 30 or so times this year, but, for the time being, I'll stick with my lyin' eyes. This one goes in the Nelson column. It's not even close.
Rox fans, do yourselves a favor. Don't get too hyped up about Gomez just yet. He's young and he's got talent, but needs tons of time and improvement to legitimately project to be a big leaguer. And remember, the next time someone from BA throws out a gimme quote like this one, ask him how many times he's actually seen the player in a game, or even on film. I'll bet the answer won't be very reassuring.
   

by hobfan on Sep 7, 2007 3:29 PM MDT reply actions  

Baseball America's headquartered in Asheville
So usually it means their writers get to see our prospects first hand more than many other teams. That said, this could be both a good and bad thing, as overexposure will often take away from subjectivity one way or the other. If a BA writer says he's a "fan" of a Rockies prospect I take it with a grain of salt. That said, from my own eyewitness looks at Gomez I have to say I have some of the same doubts as you. Less with what he does at the plate -I think the slump you mention is just a bad patch as his fundamentals are sound- but his defense hasn't lived up to my expectations from the hype at all. I think his natural position down the road may be third base, and that could definitely be an issue, although he could work well in the outfield with his cannon.

by Rox Girl on Sep 7, 2007 5:40 PM MDT up reply actions  

Skeptical
I think a lot of what we read on a prospect is conjecture rather than from first hand experience.

I think we are getting a lesson in that up here in Denver concerning Franklin Morales. All through the minors, we have heard about this 97 mph heater he has.. well, since he's been here it's no where to be found. In fact, he hasn't even been close.

On the other side, I never heard 100 mph and UBall's name mentioned in the same sentence, yet he is smoking those all the time.

Right now there is no question who is the better prospect and it didn't take but one or two appearances to see that.

I'll take your word over BA's any day now that I know you've seen them play that many times and feel so strongly about it.

by roxhead on Sep 7, 2007 6:21 PM MDT up reply actions  

He's hit 96 mph quite a few times
so I don't know why you're so hung up on 1 mph.

I think it's foolish to overanalyze Morales at this point anyways.  For one, he's two years younger than Jimenez, Ubaldo had about a year more time in AA, and a year more time in AAA than Morales.  Franklin has had roughly 2/3 of a season above High A in the minors, where Jimenez had 2 seasons worth of minor league action above High A before call-up.  Thus, just based on development time, Jimenez should look like the better pro.  Really, given Jimenez service time above High A, he had to start showing something at the pro level or he'd lose some luster on that star.  Thankfully, he's been better than advertised, but just because he has doesn't mean that Morales should be as well.

It's been well noted that Morales was rushed to the bigs and hadn't finished his development time.  I supported and still support his call-up, if only because the team lacked alternatives and Morales had the stuff to get by at the major league level.  Morales command wasn't ready for the big leagues, and it's shown, but that doesn't mean that this 21 year old is no less a prospect.

Rather than worry about Morales not hitting 97 mph (if you did your homerwork and watched the future's game, you'd see it, and if you attended any of his AA games, you'd have seen it), we should be more encouraged about the vast differences in speeds of his pitches.  In one at bat, Morales can throw a 69-72 mph big breaking curveball, a 79-80 mph change up with good fade, an 88-91 mph sinking two seam with movement that rivals Cook (59% GB rate), and a 95 mph+ four seam fastball.  That's almost a difference of ten mph in all four of his pitches.  This is what's so exciting about Morales.

The breakdown right now is comming with control and command.  He can't get the change up down at the moment, and when consistently thrown to the arm side, the fade keeps it out of the zone.  The curve's big break gets low strikes, but also his fair share of low ball calls.  The sinker is probably his best pitch, and he's kept it down for the most part, but this is the only pitch he has average command on, so when it goes, he really gets himself in trouble.  The four seam has been elevated lately, and he rarely has had command of this pitch at the pro level.

His struggles with command are most likely hampering his "luck" stats.  His BABIP is too high, as is his HR/9, and I believe that a lot of this has to do with having to over-rely on the two seam and leaving it over the plate too much.  If he could just gain confidence and slow his mechanics down, he could have more success with his other stuff.

At 21 years old, he has plenty of time to figure it out, and according to Goldstein, it takes lefties longer to grasp control of their stuff than righties.  If anything, his taste of the bigs will do him good, as he'll know his flaws and work to correct them this off-season and next pre-season.  It remains to be seen if Colorado can afford the luxury of giving him more minor league work next season, and a couple of months honing the command of his change and four seam will complete the package.

Obviously, he's not in the same class as Jimenez at the moment, but giving his development time, we shouldn't expect it.  However, I do expect him to rival Jimenez in his age 23 season.  

The quality of his wide array of pitches, his groundball tendencies, and tender age all point to a pitcher that's still the best mound prospect in the system (Jimenez will be graduating).  

It's WAAAAAYYY too early to get down on this guy.

by David OhNo on Sep 7, 2007 7:16 PM MDT up reply actions  

Oh my..
I'm not down on Morales at all. I was just pointing out that what we read from some of the so called experts is most likely full of crap since perhaps they haven't seen the player themselves and are relying others instead.

Beyond that.. Did you see the game Morales pitched against Pittsburgh in person? I did and I didn't see a fastball over 90 mph. Maybe I missed something. And I've seen only a handful reach the 97 mark in his other starts... most are in the 90-92 range which is not even in the same stratosphere as 97-98.

I like Morales a lot!! His control will get hopefully better. I would welcome the excuse that maybe he has toned down his fastball in order to cut back on his walks but that hasn't helped if that's the case. I know he is young and has a huge upside. The rotation for next year with both UBall and Morales with Francis and a healthy Cook is a great thing to look forward to, for sure.

by roxhead on Sep 8, 2007 12:12 AM MDT up reply actions  

Let me also add this...
You mentioned that when looking at Morales overall stuff one should look at the different speeds between his fastball and his breaking balls. Well, I have and so have a bunch of big league hitters and they can see that change coming a mile away.

He needs a lot of work in that area, so just because the gun shows a nice change a pace doesn't mean a darn thing if he telegraphs it to the world.

by roxhead on Sep 8, 2007 1:13 AM MDT up reply actions  

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