Pre-Purple Row Prospects Voting Discussion
by Russ
on Oct 15, 2008 7:40 AM MDT
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It's been far too long since we created our last Purple Row Prospects List (what's up with that, Rox Girl?). Just to review, here's our last one:
Join me after the jump.
We'll need to make some changes to this list right away. First, let's eliminate those who are no longer eligible for the list. We use rookie eligibility to determine who can receive votes. That means those with less than 50 innings pitched or 130 at-bats or 45 days on the active roster before rosters expand in September.
Those who are no longer eligible due to the above criteria are Ian Stewart (1), Greg Reynolds (3), Franklin Morales (5), and Seth Smith (7). Josh Newman (24) is no longer eligible since he's no longer with the organization.
Here are some topics of discussion:
- Who's the new #1: Dexter Fowler or Jhoulys Chacin? I'll fall on the side of Fowler, as he's closer to the majors (well, has already made the majors). I want to see what happens when Chacin meets Double-A hitters.
- How far does Casey Weathers drop? Had he not needed TJ surgery, Weathers would have stayed in the top five on this list.
- Brandon Hynick muddled his way through Double-A--will he stay around #10 or will he drop a bit?
- Where do the 2008 draftees come in? Christian Friedrich will be in my top 3, Charlie Blackmon will be somewhere between 10-20, and Delta Cleary may make an appearance near the bottom.
Voting will start over the weekend.
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by RockiesMagicNumber on Oct 15, 2008 10:21 AM MDT 0 recs
In
*Wilin Rosario – our best combined power and avg prospect?
*Delta Cleary – can he convert atheleticism to results
*Edgmer Escalona – young reliever with K ability
*Bo Bowman – reaching for another position prospect but lacks power
*Austin Chambliss – now in the Hawaii league – Aloha
*Charles Blackmon – high avg, no power, questionable draft position
Out (besides ineligibles)
*Pedro Strop – released, I assume due to injury
*Joe Koshansky – pony express swing in a fed ex league
*Juan Morillo – reminds me of Jose Capellan, just not quite as successful
*Jeff Kindel – typical organizational player
Also, I thought we were kind of old at Casper this year, alot of early twenties guys against teenagers. Similar feeling about the about Tri – City.
by Drewan on Oct 15, 2008 2:23 PM MDT 0 recs
1, 2, 3
Fowler, Chacin, Friedrich (in that order).
Wilin Rosario has to be next on the list, doesn’t he?
by MADness on Oct 15, 2008 3:48 PM MDT 0 recs
purps
My two cents worth, without spoiling my entire list:
-Fowler over Chacin for the top slot – higher ceiling, and he’s closest to making an impact the big league level.
-Weathers was top 5 before the injury. I still haven’t quite figured out what to do with him yet but the track record for coming back from TJ is good. I think he’s in the 10-15 range.
-I used to be really big on relievers on my lists, but my rough draft only has two (Weathers and Strop, who I don’t believe has been released, Drewan – that would be news to me). Baker and Williamson just missed the cut.
-I had Gomez over Nelson on my last list, but flipped the two this time – Gomez lost a season of development, and Nelson finished strong after his injury.
Guys I’m probably higher on than anyone else: Weathers, Hynick (didn’t have him in the top 10 in my midseason list, but he’s back there now), Strop (still have faith), Kiel Roling (really like his bat)
Guys I’m probably more down on than anyone else: Weiser, Lindsay, Bo Bowman (not on my list – age relative to league is a concern)
Guys who are new to my personal list: Rosario, Edwar Cabrera, Friedrich, Cleary, Roling, Tyler Massey, Mike Mitchell, Scott Robinson.
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by Franchise26 on Oct 15, 2008 6:55 PM MDT 0 recs
Yes, Strop was released
It’s on the transactions page on the main site. He was released on September 19 after being DFA’d on the 12th.
by Tom (RFTN) on
Oct 15, 2008 8:11 PM MDT
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"This guy here is dead"
I’ll cross him off, then. Surprised to see it – that injury must have been pretty severe because they were awfully high on him coming into this season.
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by Franchise26 on
Oct 15, 2008 10:57 PM MDT
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I have no clue, either
The ultimate oddity was that he was designated so that Todd Helton could come off the DL… and I don’t think he played at all after coming off the DL. Strop’s injury must have been career-ending or something for the Rockies to just cut bait like that.
by Tom (RFTN) on
Oct 15, 2008 11:32 PM MDT
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This is major news
I never heard that before, and that is extremely bad news for the Rox future BP. I really liked his potential. He could have been a major help to our BP, even as soon as ’09.
by smokinRox on
Oct 16, 2008 7:18 PM MDT
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Stress fracture in
his right elbow. Not really common.
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by Russ on
Oct 16, 2008 8:04 PM MDT
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A fading system
The Rockies farm system is hurting for solid prospects at the higher levels. I think it’s overall strength may have the national experts dropping it out of the top 10 and perhaps as far as into the bottom third. When we’re talking about ranking a 19 yearold catcher in the top 5 who has only had 2 months of very good baseball while repeating a level… then you know things are not good.
One high level pitching prospect, Greg Reynolds, is well on his way to becoming a bust. Another, Franklin Morales, somehow forgot how to do something he has probably done with ease since the age of five… and that’s pitch. I know both are disqualified from the PURPS but they are still considered “prospects” in the real sense of the word and should’ve added to the strength and depth of the overall system.
I have only one player from AAA in my top ten. He is a kid that even I admit is probably only a marginal MLB talent. Many of you will not even have him in your top 30 because he repeated a level (something you’ll not worry about when ranking the 19 year old catcher mentioned above). Three AA players are in my top group, not including Hector Gomez. And he isn’t even allowed to throw this winter!
The good thing is that the lower levels appear to have some quality. Many of you will rank some of them very high. Even I did this year, which is not something I usually do.. but you have to rank them somewhere even if they might not breath air a mile high for years.. if ever at all.
Sneak peek at RoxHead’s top 5:
1. Dexter Fowler, CF
2. Jhoulys Chacin, RHP
3. Michael McKenry, C
4. Christian Friedrich, LHP
5. Brandon Hynick, RHP
by roxhead on Oct 16, 2008 12:28 AM MDT 0 recs
I concur
Part of that, of course, has to do with players like Stewart graduating to the majors. But still, the farm system has dried up a bit, with Fowler and Chacin looking like the only real impact players in the system; Friedrich and Rosario are still too far off to tell.
Even Chacin does worry me a little. The fact that he’s not striking out more than one batter an inning in A-ball is a little troubling; a truly elite prospect would be blowing hitters away at that level. He did well, and his control looks great, but what really differentiates him from Aneury Rodriguez at this point? Rodriguez turns 21 in December, Chacin will be 21 in January. Chacin’s peripherals are a little better, but not terribly so, and Rodriguez was more advanced entering the season. Chacin does have the shiny ERA and the nice win total, but either of those could be attributed to luck. The one major difference between the two is that Rodriguez is much more flyball-prone, which might make Chacin a better prospect, but I don’t think it’s enough to justify that big of a difference in perception (Chacin is #5 in BA’s Cal League Top 20, while Rodriguez doesn’t even make the list.) Is there something in the scouting report that I’m not seeing here?
by Tom (RFTN) on
Oct 16, 2008 3:03 AM MDT
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I don’t think we’ve got a top 10 farm system either at this point, but I’m certainly not of the mind we’re in the bottom 10, either. We’re not seeing a whole lot of ‘A’ prospects – sure things, if you will – at the moment, but from my vantage point I think we’ve got a whole lot of guys who would grade out as ’B’s or ‘B-’s – guys who could potentially make the leap, guys with good minor league numbers and a promising skill set. I had a lot of trouble grouping the guys from 7 through 20 on my list, and felt like I could probably flip them all around randomly and still be happy with the order I came up with. Because I like a lot of those ‘B’ players – Young Jr., Roe, Riordan and Rodriguez come to mind. You won’t see them on any Top 100 list but I think there are a few potential solid contributors in the middle of the pack, list-wise.
Also if you look ahead to the possible bounty from trades of Atkins and/or Holliday – which ought to net at least one if not two ‘A’ guys, you’re looking at a farm system which jumps back into top 10 consideration.
Tom, in regards to Chacin, the reason the K total hasn’t raised even the slightest bells of alarm is because of the staggering ground ball rate that he put up this year. He doesn’t have Ubaldo Jimenez type stuff or the eye-popping K numbers Morales was putting up in the lower levels, but nobody hit this guy hard over two levels last season. When you factor that with his remarkable consistency throughout the year (didn’t all his pitching lines start to look the same after a while), that’s why he’s an elite prospect. It’s not unfair to worry about pitching prospects – TINSTAAPP, after all – but I actually feel more comfortable with Chacin as he comes up the system than I did about Ubaldo or Morales.
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by Franchise26 on
Oct 16, 2008 9:57 AM MDT
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Milb.com has their minor’s organization review for the Rockies up: http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/minorleagues/season_in_review.jsp?c_id=col
by Rockie Newbie on Oct 17, 2008 9:31 AM MDT 0 recs
Delta Cleary is Shawn Marion's cousin?
That’s… surprising, I guess.
by Tom (RFTN) on
Oct 17, 2008 10:36 AM MDT
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