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Ken Rosenthal talks about the Rockies next steps, including possibly a major move with the Reds.

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but for whom

what pieces will the reds or nats, are willing to give up in return?

by Jester76 on Nov 11, 2008 12:52 PM MST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If it's just Taveras and Torrealba to the Reds

I wouldn’t expect a major name, but perhaps a couple of surprising under the radar young arms like Ramon A. Ramirez or Bill Bray to come back. If it’s Atkins, then you would look for a more marquee name like Cueto or Homer Bailey to be included.

by Rox Girl on Nov 11, 2008 12:59 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Trade Options

Am I the only one who thinks Aaron Harang could be involved in the Cincy deal especially if the Rockies are trading Atkins? Harang is coming off a bad year and has 2 years plus a club option left on his contract. He was paid only 6.75 million this year but his salary jumps to 11 million in 2009, 12.5 million in 2010 and there’s a club option for 12.75 in 2011 (2 million buyout). The 5 million dollar salary jump off a bad year makes sense for Cindy to be shoping him. Thoughts?

As for the Nats, who knows. I know the Nats would love to trade away Austin Kearns but I don’t see them having enough pieces to land Carlos Gonzalez.

by sg8335aa on Nov 11, 2008 1:31 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Harang is a lot more likely than Cueto, actually

The Reds wisely are reluctant to deal youth and Volquez is way off limits. This is a good point to mention.

by Rox Girl on Nov 11, 2008 1:39 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I doubt the Reds trade Harang

It would be trading him at his lowest point of value. He’s coming off of his worst season after suffering an injury midseason. Trading him now would be foolish.

"You never want to give up a 7-0 lead, in your rival's ballpark, that would put them in first place. Never want to do that." - Ron Darling

by Slyde on Nov 11, 2008 1:47 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Maybe I'm misjudging Jocketty's capacity for this

Given his history with STL, it won’t matter if he’s not enamored with the player where they are on the value ladder. Still, that would be hard for Cincy fans to swallow, so I can see how it might not be the most likely scenario. Ultimately, if this goes down, it would be the Rockies giving up three or four for one or two, as the players the two teams have who are worth trading for aren’t likely to come cheaply.

by Rox Girl on Nov 11, 2008 1:53 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I guess I'm just hoping the Reds are smarting than that

History isn’t on my side though.

"You never want to give up a 7-0 lead, in your rival's ballpark, that would put them in first place. Never want to do that." - Ron Darling

by Slyde on Nov 11, 2008 1:55 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Don’t see Atty going to the Reds. Encarnacion and Votto are pretty well entrenched at the corners there. Maybe somewhere else?

by Hizilla on Nov 11, 2008 12:58 PM MST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

They want to upgrade on Encarnacion pretty desperately,

I think the fit is a little better than you’re seeing. I forgot to mention that they might be trying to sell high on Jerry Hairston Jr, who had a career year last season at 32. He’d actually make some sense straight up for Torrealba or as part of a package, but I’d rather give them more to try and pry away Brandon Phillips.

by Rox Girl on Nov 11, 2008 1:05 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

NOPE

sorry, we don’t want to get rid of edwin. some of us will be pissed. walt said earlier in the year that edwin is untouchable. don’t be fooled by his errors – he has a little throwing issue but is a hell of a defender.

the lesser informed fans don’t like edwin. those of us who worship at the alter of the baseball gods know better. not one of torrealba, taveras, or atkins is worth edwin.

and forget bailey. none of those three comes close to his potential.

by Daedalus on Nov 11, 2008 3:55 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

lol...

are we talking about the same Edwin Encarnacion? The one with a career .800 OPS, and 66 career home runs? The Reds would be tripping over themselves to trade him for Atkins, regardless of what their homer fans think.

by Narcoleptico on Nov 11, 2008 8:16 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Atkins

With a sub-700 road OPS? Neither were very good players last year, but I’d rather have an improving .251/.340/.466 than an inflated .286/.328/.452

Who's world is it? It's yours.

by BlackOps on Nov 13, 2008 1:07 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Silly Reds fan

I actually think you guys deserve what you’re going to get from Encarnacion this season. I don’t know who’s going to wind up with Atkins, but I’m taking comfort in the fact that he’s not going to a place where the fans feel that EdE is a comparable product.

by Rox Girl on Nov 13, 2008 1:21 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm not a Reds fan

And I’m not saying that Edwin is in the top half of MLB third baseman, but he has shown improvement and Atkins has been declining.
The fact is that Garrett Atkins, in short, was simply not a very good baseball player in 2008.

Who's world is it? It's yours.

by BlackOps on Nov 13, 2008 8:30 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Encarnacion's been declining too,

Only on the defensive side of the ball, which doesn’t bode well for him because moving that bat to first or the outfield will not benefit anybody. I agree about Atkins not being a very good baseball player last season, although I wonder as to why. I don’t buy that it’s a linear decline, and I doubt that he’s as bad as he was in 2008 for the next couple of seasons. It’s an unfortunate situation for the Rockies, in that I feel ultimately they’ll be forced to sell low on him unless he’s packaged with another player, and keeping him won’t help the team, even with my expected rebound with his bat.

Sorry for confusing you for a Reds fan. It’s just I’ve seen enough of Encarnacion this season to know that his days at third should have already been ended, and his offensive skills aren’t good enough to be valuable where he can play. Garrett despite his liability has at least a little business at third, but he’ll need to show a better bat than he did in 2008 to have value going forward.

by Rox Girl on Nov 13, 2008 9:53 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think I should better explain myself

I don’t think that a trade involving Atkins should involve Edwin at all, but they were pretty much a wash in terms of productivity and value to their teams this year, defense and offense all included. Now, would I rather have Edwin or Atkins? For me, it’s Edwin. Atkins took a pretty big step back this year, and Edwin a step forward.
Any trade that involves Atkins that doesn’t allow Ian Stewart 600+ PAs is dumb. He’s probably got more potential offensive ability than Atkins and is already a better defender with more room to improve than Atkins.
Basically, Atkins is a decent player but he won’t be netting Bailey, Cueto, Adenhart, etc. At least he shouldn’t.

Who's world is it? It's yours.

by BlackOps on Nov 13, 2008 10:54 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Really?

I’d rather have Atkins’ better numbers and the league average defense over Edwin “Don’t call me Juan” Encarnacion’s worse numbers and league worst defense, but that’s just me.

by Narcoleptico on Nov 13, 2008 6:05 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Actually

Their numbers are equivalently the same: in terms of OPS, Atkins was actually below league average this season. His ability to make contact, plate discipline, and power numbers have been in decline for three seasons. Again, this is with inflated numbers from playing in Coors. As far as defense is concerned, the metrics aren’t really all that great, but Atkins isn’t a league average defender and Edwin isn’t the worst defender in baseball.
The fact that you compared Edwin to Juan Encarnacion is pretty laughable.

Who's world is it? It's yours.

by BlackOps on Nov 13, 2008 8:24 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yo,

what was up with Atkins just forgetting how to walk this year? It made me wonder if he put too much pressure on himself after the World Series and forgot how to wait for a pitch. He was a guy who two years ago walked more than he struck out. While he has been in decline, I think next year, he should rebound some because that drop in walks was huge and random.

by Resolution on Nov 13, 2008 8:51 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

+1

for “don’t call me Juan”

Aut Vincam Aut Periam

by PioneerSkies on Nov 13, 2008 9:22 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Edwin reminds me of Vinny Castilla

Only if Vinny couldn’t play defense and struck out more, than he’d be Edwin.

by Rox Girl on Nov 11, 2008 8:23 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Encarnacion

Let’s count it….
Barely able to manage a .800 OPS – Check
.930 Fielding Percentage last year – Check
3 years of service time so eligible for Arbitration this winter – Check

Nothing there involving Encarnacion includes the word “entrenched”…..I have no doubt they wouldn’t mind an upgrade. Say what you want about Atkins’ defense, but he was still WAY better than Encarnacion

by sg8335aa on Nov 11, 2008 1:37 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Not according to the Fielding Bible

Last 3 years:

"You never want to give up a 7-0 lead, in your rival's ballpark, that would put them in first place. Never want to do that." - Ron Darling

by Slyde on Nov 11, 2008 1:45 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wow

That’s one fugly list. Braun and Cabrera aren’t even third basemen anymore thanks to their defensive butchery.

by Tom (RFTN) on Nov 11, 2008 1:48 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Amazing that that is only one season of Braun at 3B

"You never want to give up a 7-0 lead, in your rival's ballpark, that would put them in first place. Never want to do that." - Ron Darling

by Slyde on Nov 11, 2008 1:48 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

There's a difference between the two, however

In that Atkins has actually been improving his defense over the last three seasons. I live in Cincinnati and go to enough Reds games to know that Encarnacion is going the opposite direction. Garrett’s better than you guys are giving him credit for over at RR, and I’d rather have him than Enc any day.

by Rox Girl on Nov 11, 2008 1:48 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You have to admit that his home-road splits don't look very attractive to a new team

And being better defensively than Encarnacion isn’t saying much. The Reds need more than just better than Encarnacion. Given his splits and his defense, I don’t think Atkins helps the Reds all that much.

"You never want to give up a 7-0 lead, in your rival's ballpark, that would put them in first place. Never want to do that." - Ron Darling

by Slyde on Nov 11, 2008 1:52 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm hoping my team's lucky that you or I aren't making that decision.

I think he’d help the Reds more than you give him credit for, but if I were Jocketty, I certainly wouldn’t give the Rockies what they’ve been asking for from other teams.

by Rox Girl on Nov 11, 2008 1:57 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If they really want Taveras and Yorvit...

I might be happy with a couple bags of batting practice baseballs.

Plz to be making this happen. Taveras/Torrealba/Atkins for either Cueto or Bailey and Bray would be sweet.

Watching the purple row from high atop the big brown monolith on California Ave

by Mondogarage on Nov 11, 2008 1:29 PM MST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

really?

I’d be warry of Bailey at this point…..and I find it highly unlikely that Cincy would want to part with Cueto or Bray. Its far more likely to involve Aaron Harang or Bronson Arroyo.

by sg8335aa on Nov 11, 2008 1:33 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'd be a bit wary

Yeah, Bailey’s no longer a cinch stud, and I’d rather it be Cueto & Bray, but given what we’d be giving up, I think it’s a deal worth making either way. Harang or Arroyo? I wouldn’t want eitehr of them in Coors.

Watching the purple row from high atop the big brown monolith on California Ave

by Mondogarage on Nov 11, 2008 1:35 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Harang

I agree on Arroyo, but I’d love to have Harang. If you look at his numbers from the last 4 years pitching in that terrible ballpark in Cincy behind a terrible defensive team………and I’d LOVE to have him at Coors.

by sg8335aa on Nov 11, 2008 1:38 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Even at his contract?

For what he’s owed, the Rox could go after Lowe. I just don’t see Harang being a good value. I don’t see Arroyo being a good pitcher.

Watching the purple row from high atop the big brown monolith on California Ave

by Mondogarage on Nov 11, 2008 1:40 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yup

If he pitches like he did in ’05, ’06, ’07 then Yes….if he pitches like he did in ’08 then no. I definitely like him better than Lowe. I think Harang is a better pitcher.

by sg8335aa on Nov 11, 2008 2:10 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I would love Harang

but I think the Reds are more inclined to use a deal to make a run at the central, and that would have run would have to involve their horse, Harang. He did have a down year, but When you consider that the Reds are getting shorter terms of Atkins and Taveras, they are probably looking at a window.

I can see Bailey being a centerpiece here. He took a big step back and my understanding here is that not everyone in Cincinnati believes that A) he likes playing baseball, or B) he’s willing to listen to the Reds’ instruction. The crux will be whether or not the Rockies believe these to be so.

Cueto and Volquez are off limits, but I haven’t read the same about Bailey. Homer may very well be the closest thing available to a “high end” pitcher that doesn’t cost much, so the Rockies would be inclined to take that risk.

by David OhNo on Nov 11, 2008 4:59 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Anybody got dirt on Jocketty?

Maybe we can blackmail us into trading Bruce and Cueto for Taveras and Torrealba.

by Tom (RFTN) on Nov 11, 2008 1:46 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Maybe if Jim Bowden were still there...

I mean, look at the Nats.

Watching the purple row from high atop the big brown monolith on California Ave

by Mondogarage on Nov 11, 2008 1:46 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

+1

To all the people speculating if Bailey would be enough, I say getting rid of Taveras and Yorvit would be enough. Trade them for anyone cheap, even if you are rolling the dice.

by onholliday on Nov 11, 2008 5:08 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

O.T.

Are we actively perusing Orlando Hudson?

by Jester76 on Nov 11, 2008 2:14 PM MST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Doesn't even seem to be on the radar, unfortunately

Second base hasn’t been considered an area of need this offseason even though Hudson would be a clear upgrade. I’m hoping the reason that the Rockies are making all this trade noise now is to have an understanding of how much money they will have to spend in the FA market, which opens on the 14th. If we’re able to move Atkins, Torrealba and Taveras before then, I would expect to hear some rumors about us being involved in the free agent market. And yeah, Hudson would be a nice add (with the caveat I mentioned in the Rockpile that he’s not signed for too long a term).

by Rox Girl on Nov 11, 2008 2:31 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Saw an interesting rumbling this afternoon

Atkins to the Angels for Adenhart + a prospect.

Thought that was interesting.

by Roberbola on Nov 11, 2008 2:28 PM MST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah it would,

If Cincy’s not giving up Bailey, screw them, we’re going to Disneyland. Angels fans will be upset with that, I imagine.

by Rox Girl on Nov 11, 2008 2:33 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Adenhart

Assuming that the Rockies scouts like Adenhart I would love that deal.

He has potential to be a front-line starter (maybe not an ace but still an impact guy) and he is close to big league ready.

by MADness on Nov 11, 2008 4:11 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Now Renck has the Red Sox sniffing around Iannetta

And Corpas has been told he is still the closer, which could mean anything really. Maybe Street is slotted as the 8th inning guy, or maybe he’s being flipped for something else.

Getting dizzy…

by Roberbola on Nov 11, 2008 2:43 PM MST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I did not like one single thing...

I read in that online Renck article, aside from the part about not having Taveras on the team anymore. Not one single damn thing.

BTW, it’s here: http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_10956893

Staying on the sunny side of Blake Street since 1993.

by Franchise26 on Nov 11, 2008 2:47 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

My favorite part:
Atkins, the club’s top remaining hitter, said he would like to stay with the Rockies, but understands a trade is possible given Ian Stewart’s presence at third and Todd Helton’s expected return to first base. The Indians, Angels and Twins have also expressed interest in Atkins.

Classic fanboy.

by Rox Girl on Nov 11, 2008 4:59 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If the Red Sox attempt to take CDI

… I’m going postal. I guess everyone figures the fire sale is on, which may or may not be true, but HANDS OFF Dreamy. I’m serious. Gimme a pitchfork.

Blast and botheration.

by Silverblood on Nov 11, 2008 3:32 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm absolutely joining you at that point

No effin’ way do you let Iannetta go. It makes almost zero sense from a baseball standpoint considering how difficult it is to develop catchers, although I know Chris would be thrilled with the prospect.

by Rox Girl on Nov 11, 2008 4:52 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Chris can keep his dreamy keister right the hell here.

We need him more than the Evil Sawx.

Blast and botheration.

by Silverblood on Nov 11, 2008 5:00 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Agreed

It would be hard to imagine Danny Boy trading CDI. The Red Sox would have to put a whopper of a package together in order to pull that off… but it never hurts to listen.

by roxhead on Nov 11, 2008 2:59 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah

Nobody should be “off limits” but certain guys, including CDI, need to be kept unless there is a fantastic offer.

by Teekalong on Nov 11, 2008 3:11 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Iannetta

Unless the BoSox just make a ridiculous offer, there’s no way in hell we move him. It’s taken too damn long to develop a good young catcher to deal him off.

I can’t imagine the thought has really crossed O’Dowd’s mind.

by BroJB on Nov 11, 2008 4:36 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

To be honest

I’m not sure what entirely is up there. Might be some old sandwich receipts and a couple broken keychains as well.

Anyway, if O’Dowd does deal the second good catching prospect the organization has ever developed, I will officially give leave to have him tarred and feathered.

Blast and botheration.

by Silverblood on Nov 11, 2008 5:12 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Cinci Pitchers

Volquez and Cueto aren’t going to be traded: http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/playerbreakingnews.asp?sport=MLB&id=4230&line=251859&spln=1.

And even if they were, I don’t think Atkins + spare parts, or even Morales, could change their mind. Cinci would need good pitching back with Atkins, so why trade two young, cheap, highly talented starters for a 3B they already have and a prospect that can’t match their young pitchers?

How about using Street to get another 2B prospect and some relief help (like Daniel Murphy and Aaron Heilman from the Mets)?

by deacs on Nov 11, 2008 3:08 PM MST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Because...

Why trade Street for a lesser reliever and a 2B prospect when we already have 2B prospects? There’s no chance an Atkins deal involves Volquez or Cueto. I really think its far more likely their talking about Harang or Arroyo

by sg8335aa on Nov 11, 2008 3:17 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Chris Nelson

isn’t all that convincing as a long-term second base solution, and neither is EY Jr. Murphy put up better AA numbers and had a good run in 151 ABs at the major league level. He is a middle infield prospect than anything the Rockies have in the system at this point. Plus, Heilman, for whatever reason, draws a lot of interest from other clubs; especially, in the past, from the Rockies. He’s had some crappy stretches, but his potential as a set-up guy or a 4 or 5 starter draws a lot of interest. It’d be a helpful trade for the Rockies in the short and long term.

by deacs on Nov 11, 2008 3:40 PM MST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well

the Mets fans absolutely HATE Heilman, and during the past 2 years I’ve been in NY and ergo watched the Mets, I have to say, yeah. He’s pretty crappy. Better options out there.

Blast and botheration.

by Silverblood on Nov 11, 2008 3:42 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Terrific

I am also of NY, and while Mets fans hate Heilman, it’s mostly to do with his crappy year this year (which still might’ve constituted a good year in the Rockies’ pen) and that Heilman complains about not wanting to stay in NY if there’s no chance of starting. Anyway, I only say this because they’ve been linked to Heilman before and on other occasions. Plus, the Mets have been linked to Street, and since the Rockies like Heilman and the Mets like Street but those two don’t equate to a trade, it would make sense to have a decent prospect involved at a position of need, and… voila, Daniel Murphy is being converted to 2B and could very well improve.

Plus, Heilman’s not that bad (06 and 07 were good years) and is the type of swingman the Rockies could use to patch up the back end of a crappy rotation when necessary.

by deacs on Nov 11, 2008 4:25 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Unfortunately

We have wwaaaaaaaaay too many of the patch-up crappy back-enders (hmm, that sounds wrong) already. Including the JDLR/Hirsh/Reynolds type. (Yes, I still love Reynolds, and no, I still don’t know why). I wouldn’t mind having Murphy, he’s a good-looking young player, but I’m dubious about his mad 2nd-base-converting skillz. As an outfielder, he’s basically a carbon copy of Spilly/Seth/etc.

Blast and botheration.

by Silverblood on Nov 11, 2008 4:32 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Murphy

Murphy has a good bat but his ability to man 2nd base is very questionable at this point.

by MADness on Nov 11, 2008 4:14 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yorvit, Willy, and Atkins to the Reds?

Cueto. Cueto. Cueto. Cueto. No whammy. No whammy. STOP!

Is it 2009 yet? Seriously?........Now? no......How about now?

by The Lodo Magic Man on Nov 11, 2008 4:56 PM MST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Just something to think about

You all know that Coors messes with breaking pitches and really saps a curveball. Normally I’d be all about Bailey because he’s still young enough and has really good stuff that he could find his groove somewhere else but his calling card is his curveball. A solid fastball/changeup combo would be better at Coors than a devastating curve. There’s a really good article at thehardballtimes.com about this and how to pitch at Coors. Anyway, I’m not entirely sure of Cueto’s stuff but Volquez has that combo. Unfortunately he’s untouchable…

Also, I’ve lived in NY my entire life. If I wanted an opinion of a Mets player, the last people I’d ask are Mets fans, they’re just always mad at someone/something. Heilman had an atrocious year but he really isn’t too bad. I also think he has a good changeup but I’d have to double-check….

by Resolution on Nov 11, 2008 5:04 PM MST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Have you seen Bailey's fastball before?

It’s a real plus pitch. Sits at 91-93 mph with late, sinking armside run. Peaked in the past at 97 mph, but can regularly hit 95 mph on a per start basis. Bailey has the type of fastball he can eventually live off of, especially in Coors.

Bailey also went more to the slider last year, but to limited effect. I think buying into Bailey suggests the Rockies think they can get him to pitch off the fastball more and tap into his GB potential.

by David OhNo on Nov 11, 2008 5:16 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Myth

It has been my experience that breaking pitches are minimally affected by altitude. Growing up in Colorado and playing baseball I have seen some really good ones. I have then played games in Kansas and Nebraska with no difference.

The major problem with pitchers coming to Denver is the mentality. Do they think they can pitch at altitude, or are they convinced they will fail? If you think you will fail, no matter where you are, you WILL. If he has an effective curveball and wants to use it with the great fastball as indicated below that sounds like a great plan. Don’t JDLR and Ubaldo both throw a curveballs effectively here? Bailey can to then.

GO ROCKIES!!! JFK

by jrockies on Nov 11, 2008 5:22 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Excellent point

The other concern I had was that obviously Bailey has been trying to find himself the past couple of seasons and coming to CO definitely won’t help his mindset. But yea I’ve heard about his stuff and heard it’s absolutely electric so I wouldn’t be disappointed if they got Bailey. Also, my whole point becomes moot for half his starts when he’s away. I wonder if Bailey and Phillips are obtainable.

At any rate, here’s a link to the article I mentioned. Whether you agree or not, I still think it’s an interesting and insightful article.

by Resolution on Nov 11, 2008 5:36 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I remember

Peter Gammons saying that Darren Holmes had the best curve in the NL way back in the early days.

by Teekalong on Nov 11, 2008 6:22 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Some thoughts on the Rosenthal/Renck articles

-Remember back to the Jennings trade, when the Rockies were rumored to be shopping Taveras. O’Dowd likes to sniff around with his new toys to see if there are greener pastures. However, these aren’t heavy talks but mere inquisitions.

-With that in mind, I see the Carlos Gonzalez talk to be in that vain. Sure you want him Washington, but what do you have for us? Detwiler and Smoker? No? Ok, thanks for asking.

-Also, there appears to be some one-sided interest in these articles as well. Sure the Red Sox are interested in Iannetta. The Rockies are interested in Dustin Pedroia, Tim Lincecum, C.C. Sabathia, David Price… Yet that’s just interest. This is how Russ Martin’s name got out there. People want Russ Martin and they’ll say so, but that doesn’t mean the Dodgers are even considering it. The furthest likelihood of the off-season is an Iannetta trade.

-Corpas will stay closer until he hangs a few sliders in March, which is why the Rockies need Huston Street.

by David OhNo on Nov 11, 2008 5:08 PM MST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Too true

    That is the difference between being a fan of a big market club versus a small market club. In Boston they see a good player on a small market team and assume they should be able to have him. ie: “Hey fellow Sox fan, do you think we should go out and get Lincecum or Webb this off-season?” Even if they’re not available. Meanwhile Rockies fans have discussions (real discussions mind you) on the merits of Smith versus De La Rosa as their 4th or 5th starter. And that folks, is why we’re better fans! ;)

by IowaRockie on Nov 11, 2008 5:58 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Please God

no Dustin Pedroia. I know he’s good blah blah blah. I can’t/won’t cheer for that guy. (and I know the reference was just sarcasm, but even the thought turns the stomach).

by Teekalong on Nov 11, 2008 6:25 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What about Chris Getz for Willy Taveras?

Assuming Chicago is still interested. I’m not up on White Sox player values, but it seems that Getz is a solid option that is partially blocked by Alexei Ramirez, assuming he doesn’t move elsewhere. Getz is a little old for a prospect, but he has good contact skills, patience, and modest power for a second baseman. In a way, he’s the poor man’s Spilborghs at second base. Most importantly, he takes Taveras’ arb contract off the books and gives the Rockies another dirt cheap player that could take a starting position in spring training.

by David OhNo on Nov 11, 2008 8:52 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don't know if I'd do that.

I doubt he outhits Barmes in 2009, let alone Baker, which means we’d be stashing him for a season or two where he might be a modest upgrade over Omar Quintanilla offensively, but I’m guessing at a cost on the defensive side of things which will outweigh that. Additionally after adding CarGo, another left-handed hitter would make this lineup a little too lopsided for my liking if you’re thinking of him as a potential starter. I mean, I’d give up Taveras for him, I’d give up Taveras for just about anything, but the likely outcome of that move would be trading Taveras and cutting Q, and I don’t know if Getz is worth going that far.

by Rox Girl on Nov 11, 2008 9:18 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'd say no...

Getz is one of those guys where you hear “grinder” and “gamer” thrown around a lot. It means that he does a lot with his limited skill set, but by no means is an impact player. I follow the Sox quite a bit, and until about spring of this year, he wasn’t exactly regarded as anything more then organizational filler. At this point, if you go for him, you’re hoping he’s a late bloomer more then anything.

I still think that someone will overpay for Taveras and give us a marketable prospect. I’m not saying Getz is good, but I’d pass on that trade with the idea we could get something more for Willy (I hope).

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by MattTheRock on Nov 12, 2008 6:20 AM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Whatever you need...

Yes sir, that’s me, Chris Getz. Whatever you need, Chris gets, you get it? Ha-Ha, I use it all the time to break the ice when I meet people, you know, it’s good.

by Teekalong on Nov 11, 2008 9:46 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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