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Tracy Ringolsby reports that our General Manager will be "much more aggressive" this offseason after taking a costly conservative hiatus last winter.

Willy Taveras

All four of the mentioned teams that are supposedly interested in Taveras have comparable players already in the majors or close. I have no idea why any of them would be too willing to give up a lot of value in return, the possible exception being the White Sox, who have players that should be comparable to Taveras, but just haven't panned out as well as even Willy has. They had to rely on Nick Swisher or Ken Griffey Junior for over 100 games in center field last season, which will never help a defense. I'm going to guess that we'll get a somewhat questionable near ready AAA or recently debuted MLB reliever in exchange.

  • Royals - ?
  • Yankees - Ian Kennedy? I don't buy it as it's too good to be true, but that was the rumor. My realist expectation would be more along the lines of a Ross Ohlendorf. The Yankees have a lot of young relievers, we might get a steal just dealing for some of their excess.
  • White Sox - If we could pry Boone Logan or Lance Broadway away, great, but my guess would be somebody like Ehren Wasserman. He had a pretty terrible ERA in the MLB in 2008, but the small sample was atypical of his GB heavy pitching skill and he'd be a decent plug in the middle of an NL bullpen.
  • Braves - With Josh Anderson seemingly ready to take over right now and Jordan Schaffer and Gorkys Hernandez pretty close, I really don't know if the Braves are that good a fit. If they've expressed interest it would be with Taveras as an insurance policy. What's more, their young pitching is either too good for Willy Taveras or not good enough so the likely best return for the Rockies would either be a utility player like Diory Hernandez or fourth outfielder type.

Matt Holliday:

Holliday is likely to bring the biggest trade return of the offseason with the possible exception of what the Padres get for Jake Peavy, and we could look at the best available player from our trading partner as a starting point. I'll list who I think that player is for each team Ringolsby mentions, but realize that the Rockies will also get an add on or three by the time the bidding closes.

  • Yankees - Phil Hughes
  • Red Sox - Justin Masterson. Add Michael Bowden and Clay Buchholz as a trifecta that the Rockies would try and break-up. The Padres are looking at the same group from Boston for Peavy. That said, there's a roster glut here which would imply that the Red Sox would then look to deal J.D. Drew if they were to acquire Holliday. Added complications like that make me skeptical that Boston will come up with the best offer. The Yankees have a similar glut, but a lot of mid-30's players means they also have more imperative to add a younger guy to the mix.
  • Rays - Jeremy Hellickson; Tampa Bay kept him off limits in talks with Pittsburgh for Jason Bay at the trade deadline, preferring to dangle Jeff Niemann. As turned out to be the case then, Niemann won't be quite enough.
  • Angels - Ervin Santana. The complication here is that they would have to sign C.C. Sabathia or Ben Sheets to allow them to trade Santana for offense.
  • Mets - Fernando Martinez. The only team on this list where the best available young player isn't a pitcher.
  • Phillies - Carlos Carrasco
  • Nationals - Ross Detwiler. The Nats are an interesting inclusion on this list that I hadn't been aware of and I'm surprised the Reds aren't mentioned. At any rate, I would think Detwiler would be the Rockies primary interest from Washington, since they were keen on him before the 2007 draft.

Garrett Atkins:

Atkins' situation is a bit peculiar in a good way for Rockies fans, as he seems to be drawing interest a bit above his actual value. This makes it difficult for me to peg what to expect in a return. It won't be the same as with Holliday, but with a lot of teams looking, I'm thinking it might turn out to be a pleasant surprise. I'm going to guess the Rockies wind up with quantity over quality, but it could be that the Rockies get one really good piece.

  • Yankees - Kennedy plus prospects. I doubt they'd offer Hughes for Atkins, but like I said, the interest in Garrett is stronger than I anticipated.
  • Red Sox - I'm really not sure. I don't think the Red Sox would offer the same pitchers or players that Holliday would draw, and their second tier of prospects really isn't that great or too far from contributing.
  • Angels - Dustin Mosely, although I'd like to try for a middle infielder like Howie Kendrick.
  • Mets - This is curious to me that they're included as interested in Atkins ,and I have to think maybe it's an omission since they have Wright and Delgado already.
  • Phillies - Carrasco. We'd get less on the add-ons than we would with Holliday, but the Phillies need a better solution at third than Pedro Feliz and I could see both the Rockies holding out for Carrasco and the Phils acquiescing here.
  • White Sox - Javier Vazquez? The Wihite Sox are agressively trying to trade him and looking for a third baseman at the same time, the one for one swap would make sense for both teams, but Vazquez has a no-trade clause that blocks out Western teams, I'm assuming that getting him to waive it to go to Colorado would be nearly impossible.
  • Minnesota - Kevin Slowey

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they haven’t been released yet, the 2008 Elias player rankings have been leaked. SI obtained them, and Matt Holliday is the second-highest rated player.

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by Russ Oates on Nov 2, 2008 9:40 AM MST reply actions  

Who gets moved first?

IF Tavares and Atkins could net Kennedy and Carrasco, I’d try to get those deals done as quickly as possible. First of all, that seem to establish a starting point for the Holliday trade talks and the Rocks could use deals like that to actually inflate Holliday’s value. Second, adding two young pitchers of that caliber would leave more flexibility in the Holliday trade talks and a top position player would be a solid option at that point.

I still don’t anticipate geetting that type of value from Taveras, but who knows, maybe Willie T and a mid-level prospect could get it done.

by mattrob on Nov 2, 2008 11:01 AM MST reply actions  

I can see the

Mets or Nats using this to make a trade that the Rockies wouldn’t. Its not likely that the Rockies would trade either of the players within their division, yet the Mets might want to trade them to the Dodgers, or to SD for Peavy?

by rockieprogress on Nov 2, 2008 11:53 AM MST reply actions  

Holliday/Atkins

I am still hoping Rockies keep at least one of them. It will be easier to trade Atkins since more teams will be interested. Holliday will be testing the free agent market after the 09 season and costs 13.5 million for 09 so none of the small market teams will give up much to obtain a very expensive one-year rental. Atkins has two years left before free agency and his salary will be about 5 million less than Holliday’s in 09 so small market teams won’t be afraid to trade for him.

by roxallthewayin2009 on Nov 2, 2008 12:02 PM MST reply actions  

Could the Rockies possibly target

Jason Donald from the Phils as well? I don’t believe they’d be willing to part with Carrasco for Atkins, but perhaps they’d be open to moving Donald. They really don’t have a spot for him, but I think his offensive potential is equal to that of Atkins’, at a position we could use.

Excellent post by the way, nice piece to fire up the hot stove with.

by David OhNo on Nov 2, 2008 12:14 PM MST reply actions  

My acquisition prediction:

The Rockies will make Chad Cordero their next closer:

Background: The Nationals elected to non-tender Chad Cordero after a surgery to repair tears in the labrum and biceps. Obviously this is a serious injury, but Cordero expects to be ready for Spring Training. Cordero elected for free agency when he refused an assignment to Triple A

What’s in it for the Rockies?: The Rockies have long been tied to interest for Cordero, and this would be a potential way to acquire him on the cheap. The Rockies have an obvious hole at the closer position, and Cordero is a “proven commodity.” The Rockies love bounceback candidates and Chad certainly fits the bill. There has to be concern over the recovery from injury, but I’m sure Cordero would be willing to write some team protection into his contract if the opportunity is right.

What’s in it for Cordero?: First and foremost, the opportunity to close games again right out of the gate. Considering the way the Rockies operate, Chad would have little competition for the closer’s role, as they seem hesitant to move Buchholz anywhere besides the eighth, and Corpas still hasn’t regained trust. Beyond that, Cordero needs not fear the threat of a young upstart like Weathers this year either. Other interested teams are either trolling for multiple late relievers (Mets), already have established closers (Red Sox), or have young talent that could prove difficult to overtake (Indians, Cubs). Lastly, the clubhouse factor should work in Colorado’s favor, as Chad is a young guy with California ties and a gamers mentality, which would mesh well with fellow West Coast baseball rats Spilborghs, Tulo, Stewart, etc. The Rockies offer Cordero not only the chance to close but the chance to be a veteran leader on a still young team.

Why I approve the move: Closers are overrated. Tampa didn’t need one, and while everyone cares to slober over Lidge, remember he was the goat just a few short years ago. It can actually be somewhat risky to reserve your most effective reliever for the final three outs of an inning. Now, in no categroy do I believe Cordero is a better option than Fuentes, but think about these two numbers for a second:

84.2%
83.3%

Those are the superficial stats of both pitcher in the career save success rate category. Cordero is almost one percent higher. So, while Colorado was trotting out the better late inning reliever, Brian was no more successful than Chad in “doing his job” so to speak.

Here’s what I like best about a Cordero acquisition; it keeps the balance of the bullpen in place. I like Taylor as the go-to ace releiver in the seventh or eighth, and having him, our best arm, able to throw in a high leverage situation is much more resourceful than using him for the final three outs. Everyone else keeps their roles as well, Vizcaino is held out of high leverage spots late, Corpas stays in the seventh, and it allows flexibility in filling out the bullpen without having to change everyone’s role.

For continuity’s sake, the Rockies must acquire a closer, and Cordero may be the best way to do it without spending 30 million dollars or trading valuable assets. I said Cordero would be a cheaper acquisition, but that’s speaking relative to the market. The Rockies will have to overpay Cordero than what he’s actually worth, but a three year 15 million deal may make more sense when you consider that A) The Rockies have already likely budgeted in 10 million for Fuentes this year in case he accepts arbitration. B) The Rockies could likely be moving close to 25 million off next year’s books with the deals of Atkins and Holliday. C) And this could be key in several decisions, the Rockies aren’t likely to incur major arbitration expenses over the next two, possibly three seasons.

by David OhNo on Nov 2, 2008 1:00 PM MST reply actions  

I don't believe that he'll really be ready that soon.

I think that’s propaganda from his agent to get him paid for a full year when he’ll only be able to go for half of one, and I doubt he’ll be close to 100% until 2010. There’s a pretty good circumstantial argument for this as you’d figure the Nats would have tried harder to trade him ,even holding him through Spring Training next season if they really thought he would be healthy for the start of 2009. I think the relief situation will work itself out via one of these trades

by Rox Girl on Nov 2, 2008 3:16 PM MST up reply actions  

Cordero

Cordero is overrated.

I just can’t stomach the thought of giving up anything useful to acquire him (be it money or players via trade as was speculated in the past).

A guy who barely got by who has shown signs of decline over the last few years and then on top of that he is coming off of a major surgery and coming to Colorado?

Sounds like a disaster to me.

by MADness on Nov 3, 2008 12:50 AM MST up reply actions  

From the Braves,

how about Willy for Jeff Francouer? One of the guys at the Boston Globe did a piece on worn-out or unneeded players, and they were both mentioned. The Braves seem way down on him, and could use a CF. If Holliday goes, it wouldn’t be bad to try to see if Francouer has anything left.. There’s always Smith or Spilborghs just in case.

by deacs on Nov 2, 2008 10:05 PM MST reply actions  

24 and regressing

I’m not a fan of Francoeur – guy’s only gotten worse since his rookie year, and for all his athletic ability, he still has no concept of the strike zone. He also seems to be a bit petulant.

That being said, I would make a one-for-one Taveras for Francoeur trade in half a heartbeat.

Staying on the sunny side of Blake Street since 1993.

by Franchise26 on Nov 3, 2008 7:21 AM MST up reply actions  

Buying low

Buying low on Francoeur would be a good gamble for a team.

If he was the key cog in your overall plan then you are probably in trouble but his upside makes him worthy of a certain level of investment.

by MADness on Nov 3, 2008 4:33 PM MST up reply actions  

Fixin' the Rotation

How to fix the rotation in 3 simple moves. Most teams are not giving up prospects so we’ll give them up instead.

   First trade:

Willy T and a pitching prospect (Connor Graham or Keith Weiser) to the Yankees for pitcher Ian Kennedy.

    Second trade:

Garrett Atkins and Chris Nelson to the Angels for Ervin Santana.

     The third trade we’ll have fun with:

Matt Holliday, Jeff Francis, Hector Gomez and Aneury Rodriguez to the Blue Jays for Roy Halladay.

Why this trade could happen:

For the same reasons San Diego is looking to trade Peavy, Toronto must now realize that they need to go into a rebuilding mode. The AL East is a monster division with the big bad Red Sox and Yankees… and it has become even tougher now with the emergence of the Rays. They are losing a major part of their rotation with the free agency of AJ Burnett and their one mega-star position player, Vernon Wells, is hardly even that and probably should be dumped ASAP.

They will receive 2 high draft picks for Burnett next June (a type A free agent) and could get 2 more the following year when Holliday leaves, or they could turn-around and trade Matt sometime before the July 31st deadline. Francis, besides the obvious Canadian connection, has a club friendly contract and is still young. Gomez is a stud future infielder in the making while Rodriguez provides high quality depth in the farm system.

Another great thing about this trade is sending Holliday off to a non-contending team for a year. If he wants the big bucks from some eastern team, then play in purgatory first, ya bum.

2009 Colorado Rockies Rotation:

1. Roy Halladay
2. Cookie
3. U-Ball
4. Ervin Santana
5. Ian Kennedy

by roxhead on Nov 3, 2008 7:21 PM MST reply actions  

I'd rather have JDLR at #5 than Kennedy, at least to start the year

But I like where you’ve gone with this. I don’t know if that Angels deal works from their end (I wouldn’t make that trade as Nelson doesn’t beat their current crop of middle infielders and Atkins for Santana just doesn’t seem to cut it) but the rest seem at least somewhat sensible.

by Rox Girl on Nov 4, 2008 11:43 AM MST up reply actions  

5th spot

I agree so let’s slash the last spot in the rotation.

5. JDLR/Ian Kennedy/Greg Reynolds/Franklin Morales/Jason Hirsh…

by roxhead on Nov 4, 2008 7:29 PM MST up reply actions  

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