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Johnson will receive $8M for the year, with $2.5M possible in awards and another $2.5M possible in performance. Pretty good deal for the Giants, and if Johnson's back holds up. . . .

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Can I finish that sentence?

…they’ll finish fourth anyway?

…they’ll still wish he could hit?

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by Franchise26 on Dec 26, 2008 9:03 PM MST reply actions  

I think the Giants are going to be a more credible threat than you give them credit for...

In 2002 they had one of those solid under the radar types of drafts that will be peaking right around now. I think they’ll be a third place spoiler passing one of the other three teams this season, my bet’s on Arizona for fourth.

by Rox Girl on Dec 26, 2008 9:13 PM MST up reply actions  

Extra cash just laying around..

First the Giants overpay for Renteria… and now they pick up Johnson, who will be their 4th or 5th starter, for a cool $8 mill.

Who’s next? Jason Varitek for $20 million? Afterall, dosen’t everyone need a back up catcher with no stick?

by roxhead on Dec 27, 2008 12:49 AM MST reply actions  

Johnson is a bargain.

 He’s still one one of the better SP’s in the NL when healthy. He had a 3.3 FIP last year, basically the same as Cole Hamels. Fangraphs valued him at approx. 15M this year. Great pickup, he should be the Giants # 3.

by Brendan Scolari on Dec 27, 2008 2:27 AM MST up reply actions  

Old man

Old guys with back problems in a cold stadium equals problems.

by roxhead on Dec 27, 2008 10:08 AM MST up reply actions  

Maybe

but its not like its gonna be freezing or anything.

by Brendan Scolari on Dec 27, 2008 5:05 PM MST up reply actions  

Not sure why I wrote 3.3

Meant to write 3.74. The rest is correct though.

by Brendan Scolari on Dec 27, 2008 5:04 PM MST up reply actions  

Johnson for 5

You might be right. He may be the best bargin in baseball… until he gets that 5th win. His motivation is obviously personal at this point but I’d be wary after he reaches that 300 win goal. I know he is a professional and all and for me to dog him at this point in his HoF career is unfair, but most teams had to be concerned about this. There weren’t a lot of teams knocking on his door.. then all the sudden we read that he has signed for $8 mill. It sounds like to me he jumped at an offer that no other team even came close to…

by roxhead on Dec 27, 2008 9:47 PM MST up reply actions  

That's another issue.

It’s clear that RJ still has fond feelings for Arizona, but even this past season, it was pretty transparent that most of his competitive fire is gone, and the main reason he’s still playing is to get to 300 wins. (He could end up being the last 300 game winner ever) I’d be worried that his motivation would disappear after he got that 300th W, especially in light of the amount of effort and discomfort it takes him to start a game these days.

On the other hand, there are two games this past season that come to mind as counter arguments. The first would be his 2-hit complete game victory in his swan song as a Dback, the season finale, in which he only gave up an unearned run and the Dbacks won it in the 9th. Before that game, RJ told Melvin to “toss out the pitch count” — and he stepped up big time. The second and, perhaps more indicative game, came against the Twins, when RJ pitched an 8-inning complete game in a 7-2 loss at the Metrodome. He got shelled for 6 runs in the 3rd and another in the 4th, but with the Dbacks down 6-0 and then 7-0, RJ stayed in to complete the game at Melvin’s request, since the bullpen at the time was terribly depleted. It was a strikingly selfless act, showing that RJ still cared about the team.

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by DbacksSkins on Dec 29, 2008 1:50 PM MST up reply actions  

Key phrase: "when healthy".

RJ’s spent time on the DL for each of the past 3 years. Also, his FIP is naturally going to be good because FIP strongly favors strikeout pitchers, and RJ is still a strikeout guy. As Jim pointed out at the ‘Pit, though, RJ’s bad back also makes him a TERRIBLE fielder — meaning that even independently of his teammates, his ERA is going to be quite a bit higher than his FIP. Just watch how many players will try bunting against him; especially now that he’ll be in a generally hitter-unfriendly park.

I’m not sure how Fangraphs calculates their projected values, but $15 million seems WAAY too high for a 45 year old pitcher with recent injury history.

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by DbacksSkins on Dec 29, 2008 1:18 PM MST up reply actions  

Outside NL West

Reds ink Taveras to two-year deal good luck.

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by jrockies on Dec 27, 2008 11:41 AM MST reply actions  

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