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Praising Arizona

St. Valentine's Day is a day when even the calendar is Sedona Red, and is also the anniversary of Arizona statehood, so it seems an appropriate time to invoke our bet with Rox Girl, and take over Purple Row to honor the reigning National League West champions, Arizona Diamondbacks. Maybe I should explain that concept for our high-altitude colleagues. :-) A "division title" happens when you are the best team over the course of an entire 162-game regular season, rather than a three-week period at the end of September. We're quite familiar with the idea here in Phoenix. Indeed, while we will only be celebrating our tenth anniversary this April, we are now looking to capture our fifth of these "division titles".

Now, I can see why last year has probably led to unparalleled expectations among Rockies fans, not seen since the days when Andres Galarraga patrolled first-base. It will likely be a disappointment if Colorado do not go 162-0, cure world hunger and broker a peace-settlement in the Middle East. However, a reality check is in order. Despite the sweep inflicted by the Rockies in the Championship series, I think it's safe to say that Arizona fans do not really regard Colorado as a significant threat to our ambitions of another (yawn!) division title.

To be blunt, Colorado are largely seen outside the state as a mediocre team who got incandescently hot for about three weeks. Whether fair or not, their presence in the playoffs is thought of as a quirk, a once-in-a-lifetime miracle provided by the God widely reported [accurately or not] as occupying the corner locker in the home team's dressing-room at Coors. Certainly, looking back at the standings, for the first five and half months, the Rockies were the fourth-best team in the division. At the end of play on September 17th - that's after 92% of the season was completed for Colorado - they were six games back.

The last date during 2007, on which Colorado had more wins than Arizona: April 4th. In many ways, the Rockies were, in fact, incredibly lucky. Now, this may seem ironic, coming from a fan of a team who were outscored by their opponents, yet still posted the best record in the National League. However, the difference is that Arizona made their own luck, with a rock-solid bullpen and excellent hitting off the bench. Even as Colorado won thirteen of their last fourteen regular season games - the sole loss being the one time they played us when we were actually trying - they should be giving thanks to just about everyone else in the division for their playoff spot.

The San Diego Padres and, in particular, Trevor Hoffman. The all-time saves leader was one strike from putting away Tony Gwynn, Jr as the third out of the ninth, and taking the Padres to the playoffs. He couldn't finish the job, and the Brewers eventually won the game. Of course, he blew the save in the one-game playoff too - dropping back-to-back save chances for only the third time in his fifteen-year career.

The Los Angeles Dodgers for giving up, absolutely, down the stretch. Arizona beat them on September 16, to send them 4.5 back and, effectively, end their chances. The Dodgers dropped eleven of their final fourteen games - and the Rockies were lucky enough to face Los Angeles in seven of them. If the Dodgers had mustered only a single win there, Colorado would have been sitting at home in October.

The Arizona Diamondbacks and their B-roster, given a nice workout over the final two games of our regular season. We'd clinched playoff baseball with the Friday night win in Colorado, and as a result, chose to rest many players in the remaining games. Sunday, in particular, we put out just two regular starters in Drew and Reynolds. We benched our team leaders in BA (Hudson), RBI (Byrnes) and home-runs (Young), and also replaced scheduled starter Doug Davis with rookie Yusmeiro Petit. Despite all that, a full-strength Rockies line-up only won by a single run. With hindsight, we should probably have made more effort. ;-)

Now, all credit to the Rockies for seizing the opportunity presented to them with both hands, and running it all the way to the World Series. And Colorado and Arizona have much in common, both building from within, on limited budgets, and doing a fine job of competing against teams with greater resources. However, I think it's in the off-season moves that the difference between the two teams can be found. Having had the best record in the National League, Arizona could be forgiven for sitting on their laurels. Instead, they went out there and brought on board the starter for the American League in last year's All-Star game, Dan Haren. This gives the Diamondbacks arguably the best 1-2 punch in the National League, even after the Mets splashed out for Santana.

The Dodgers picked up Andruw Jones and Hiroki Kuroda, and the Padres Jim Edmonds and Mark Prior. Hell, even the Giants made more noise over the winter, with their signing of Aaron Roward. In contrast, the Rockies' inaction - their big off-season acquisition being Marcus Giles - suggests that management's master-plan for 2008 involves working towards a repeat of last year. This would mean reaching the middle of September in fourth place, then winning 13 of 14 again, and hoping that all the teams ahead of them obligingly roll over and play dead. As advance preparation goes, this is like planning to pay the mortgage by winning the Powerball. Again.

What startled me is that the Rockies devoted their time, energy and no considerable amount of money to signing Troy Tulowitzki - who was not going anywhere until the end of 2012 anyway - and signed him to the biggest contract ever for a player with his (lack of) experience. Especially one who batted an anemic .256 away from Coors, and whose average in Denver was bloated by a freakish .372 BABIP at home. At the time of writing, Baseball-Reference.com reckons the most similar hitter to Tulo is Bill DeLancey. Who? Exactly. If that's the case, I'd say the Colorado locking themselves in to a $30+ million contract seems a little premature. Still, not my money.

If I were a Rockies fan, I'd be miffed that management hadn't seen fit to shore up a pitching staff which appears reliant upon Ubaldo Jimenez being the second coming of Nolan Ryan. I mean: Jeff Francis as your Opening Day starter? He'd be the #4 in Arizona. RoxGirl and I have already debated the longer-term future of the two franchises, and both look more than averagely bright, as the prospects which they hold should keep them in good stead down the line. However, as far as 2008 is concerned, the Diamondbacks seem to have a much better chance of repeating their triumphs, than the Rockies have of repeating theirs.

Still, if the Rockies are able to help us out in keeping the Padres out of the playoffs again this year, we'll welcome their assistance. Now, what's the bet going to be for this season, RG?

Eat. Drink. Be Merry. But the above FanPost does not necessarily reflect the attitudes, opinions, or views of Purple Row's staff (unless, of course, it's written by the staff [and even then, it still might not]).

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Hmm... Bet for this season...
your misplaced confidence in the Rockies mediocrity is giving me an idea of where we might be able to go with this. Maybe that Tulo thing, too. At any rate, I think it's good to see the outside perspective. I'm going to work on a counterargument.

by Rox Girl on Feb 14, 2008 1:52 PM MST reply actions  

What about...
A Tulo vs Stephen Drew bet since Arizona is so down on troy?
There's only one Rocktober!!

by Charlie77 on Feb 14, 2008 10:49 PM MST up reply actions  

Bill DeLancey...
Was a tragic story.  As a rookie catcher, he helped lead the Cardinals to victory in the 1934 World Series (.316, 13 homers in 93 games).  A brilliant future was forecast, but after one more season he contracted tuberculosis. He sat out until a brief comeback failed in 1940.

DeLancey retired to Phoenix, where he died in 1946, on his 35th birthday.

Simply because you are unfamiliar with DeLancey is no reason to trivialize him.

Any relevance to Tulowitzki is surely inconsequential.

by alexcolfax on Feb 14, 2008 2:24 PM MST reply actions  

Should've gotten a live chicken...
"Whether fair or not, their presence in the playoffs is thought of as a quirk, a once-in-a-lifetime miracle provided by the God widely reported [accurately or not] as occupying the corner locker in the home team's dressing-room at Coors."

DON'T MESS WITH JOBU.

Waiting for the second coming of Kaz...

by MattTheRock on Feb 14, 2008 2:47 PM MST reply actions  

Was Arizona...
"acually trying" in the NLCS? So, how did that turn out for you?

In fact, the Rockies' winning streak over Arizona is six entering the 2008 season. But who's counting?

by moose14 on Feb 14, 2008 3:08 PM MST reply actions  

We all know what happens with streaks dont we...
 :o)
Im an Englishman in New.. umm Phoenix

by AZDarkKnight on Feb 14, 2008 3:28 PM MST up reply actions  

Was Colorado...
"Actually "trying" in the World Series? So, how did that turn out for you?

Really, this is the only fair response.

by azdb7 on Feb 14, 2008 3:30 PM MST up reply actions  

yea
Our season ended getting swept in the World Series by a clearly superior team.  Your season ended getting swept in the NLCS by a team that you refer to as "mediocre."

10/10 baseball fans would prefer our end of the season to yours.

by Narcoleptico on Feb 14, 2008 4:17 PM MST up reply actions  

Mmmk.
You sure are taking this awful seriously. But since this circular reasoning isn't going to end any time soon, you go right ahead.

And you can say what you like, but at no point have I ever referred to the Rockies as mediocre. They're my other favorite team, after all. And if you're applying that to just a "general consensus," we all know how much the Rockies hated that when it came to being "God's team," just like how much we dislike when it refers to run differential. You'd think such sweeping generalizations would be thus avoided, but oh well.

by azdb7 on Feb 14, 2008 4:45 PM MST up reply actions  

I love the dBacks...
They have provided me with some of the most memorable moments in baseball last year. Game 162, and the NLCS.

I think that Arizona has a lot of similarities with the Colorado team in different areas. The dBacks have some young hitters that should produce, while the Rocks have some young pitchers that produced well in the playoffs.

Here are a couple of statistical comparisons:

Fielding Pct:
Rocks #1 MLB
Dbacks #8 NL

Batting Avg:
Rocks #1 NL
Dbacks #29 MLB

ERA:
Rocks #8 NL
Dbacks #4 NL

So in otherwords the Rockies were the top team in the NL in two of the three phases of the game, while the snakes were in the middle or cellar of the NL for two of the three phases. The dBacks young hitters should improve enough to push the team towards middle of the pack, while the Rocks young pitchers should push them closer to Arizona, who lost Valverde but gained Haren. So they lost a dominant closer that pitches nearly every day, but gained Barry Zito's replacement who pitches every five days? Is that an upgrade or a wash?

There's only one Rocktober!!

by Charlie77 on Feb 14, 2008 3:28 PM MST reply actions  

lol @ Arizona homers...
"However, as far as 2008 is concerned, the Diamondbacks seem to have a much better chance of repeating their triumphs"

What triumphs are those?  Getting swept in the NLCS by the Rockies?

by Narcoleptico on Feb 14, 2008 3:30 PM MST reply actions  

Nope.
Those are the triumphs of seven years ago, when we actually won the World Series we were in.

See, it didn't have to get all personal like this, but I don't mind playing the game, especially since I'm only half serious.

by azdb7 on Feb 14, 2008 3:31 PM MST up reply actions  

That would be...
Winning a division title. Our fourth in a decade. And having the best record of any team in the National League.
AZ SnakePit
Home of the 2007 NL West Champion AZ Diamondbacks

by AZ Snakepit on Feb 14, 2008 4:29 PM MST up reply actions  

oh...
I see why you think the current team could repeat those successes, seeing as how many of the same players from that run are on your team now.

Maybe you could trade for Curt Schilling, build a time machine and go back to when he and Randy were still good.  Then you'd have a chance.

by Narcoleptico on Feb 14, 2008 3:35 PM MST reply actions  

"Good?"
The numbers Schilling and Johnson posted last season weren't good? Sub 4 ERAs with solid K/BB ratio? If it's a matter of "healthy," then absolutely not, but let's not be silly here.

by azdb7 on Feb 14, 2008 3:52 PM MST up reply actions  

ok....
replace "good" with "good enough to carry a team full of scrubs to a World Series championship"

by Narcoleptico on Feb 14, 2008 3:56 PM MST up reply actions  

Wow
Getting kind of personal calling your Division champions "scrubs". Not sure what it makes the teams that finished behind us then...any ideas?
Im an Englishman in New.. umm Phoenix

by AZDarkKnight on Feb 14, 2008 4:14 PM MST up reply actions  

Schilling
I'm a Rockies fan but bashing Schilling is not a good idea. If he didn't need surgery right now he would still be very good. He beat us in the WS.
GO ROCKIES!!! JFK

by jrockies on Feb 14, 2008 4:21 PM MST up reply actions  

Crossing DeLancey
"DeLancey retired to Phoenix, where he died in 1946, on his 35th birthday."

All of which goes to show that Arizona is where good catchers go to die.

Watching the purple row from high atop the big brown monolith on California Ave

by Mondogarage on Feb 14, 2008 3:41 PM MST reply actions  

Hard to say on that one.
Maybe catchers from the past, but the position has been none too inspiring in our franchise history. The guy picked for the 10th anniversary team was Damian Miller, for crying out loud, and probably only because he was on the WS-winning team. We're hoping Chris Snyder continues his second half form and breaks the trend, but who knows.

by azdb7 on Feb 14, 2008 3:51 PM MST up reply actions  

Seriously, how were we going to shore up
the pitching staff?  Mark Prior's an even bigger gamble than Jimenez and Morales combined.  Livan Hernandez?  Jon Lieber?  It would have taken much more than we were comfortable giving away to get Santana, Bedard, or Haren.  There really wasn't a lot out there for the taking, unless you think Kip Wells is the answer.
http://mvn.com/mlb-rockies: The best thing to happen to baseball since 1993.

by Rox Fan in TN on Feb 14, 2008 4:02 PM MST reply actions  

What did Prior cost $1M or something
I like that gamble considering the prices given these days. Is Russ Ortiz still available??
Im an Englishman in New.. umm Phoenix

by AZDarkKnight on Feb 14, 2008 4:16 PM MST up reply actions  

Fogg
I don't know about Ortiz but I do know Josh Fogg is available for #5 duty. It just appears no one wants him. Thats his loss for not taking the contract we offered. HA HA HA
GO ROCKIES!!! JFK

by jrockies on Feb 14, 2008 4:25 PM MST up reply actions  

Foggy Memories
When did the Rockies actually make any offer to Fogg beyond last season?  From what I read, the front office has had no interest in him at all since the end of the WS, due to financial considerations (e.g., Fogg would be far more expensive than Towers, Wells, Redman, etc.)
Watching the purple row from high atop the big brown monolith on California Ave

by Mondogarage on Feb 15, 2008 9:46 AM MST up reply actions  

There was a report that the Rox offered a
one year, five million dollar contract from Fox Sports' Ken Rosenthal. He turned it down thinking he could get more years elsewhere.

by Rox Girl on Feb 15, 2008 10:00 AM MST up reply actions  

Just remember
that if you drop everything before mid-May the way you want to drop everything after mid-September, we were a far better team than everyone in the NL.

Yes, y'all at AZ managed consistency until the bitter end, but we've got the May+ team, not the April team now.

I've been in this game a hundred years, but I see new ways to lose I never knew existed before. - Casey Stengel

by Behrens on Feb 14, 2008 4:16 PM MST reply actions  

I am interested
What was the difference in your lineup in April and May onwards please?
I am not up on the changes - the only one I can think was Lopez getting injured.
Im an Englishman in New.. umm Phoenix

by AZDarkKnight on Feb 14, 2008 4:18 PM MST up reply actions  

Lineup Changes
It really wasn't a lineup change that helped after April. It was the realization the Steve Finley and John Mabry were washed up and failing on the bench. The major lineup change was that of Torrealba becoming the starting catcher over the struggling Iannetta. This is also the time that Tulowitzki started getting hot. What hurt the most was the slide Helton was in, if he had stayed constant and not dropped his BA to below .290 the Rockies would have been the Best in the West.
GO ROCKIES!!! JFK

by jrockies on Feb 14, 2008 4:29 PM MST up reply actions  

Injury to Matsui as well
Though that obviously doesn't affect this year's team, trotting out the combination of Quintanilla, Carroll and Barmes at second every day for a month was pretty sad.
http://mvn.com/mlb-rockies: The best thing to happen to baseball since 1993.

by Rox Fan in TN on Feb 14, 2008 4:40 PM MST up reply actions  

I'm going to nitpick
I don't want to bite off more than I can chew, so I'll just go after one little thing.  Of all the hilariously awful "analysis" in this post (and yes, I know most of it is meant in jest), my personal favorite is the implication that Jeff Francis would be 'Zona's #4 starter.  After Haren, Webb, and who?  Johnson?  Owings?  What are you, high?  

PS- Your guys's (sic) inability to sell out your home NLCS games is far more embarrassing for your franchise than anything that could ever happen on the field of play.  You're telling me you live in a metropolitan area of 4 million people... your team is only six years removed from a championship in arguably the most exciting World Series ever... and you can't find 50,000 people who want to watch the NLCS?  What a joke.  Make all the comebacks you want about how empty Coors Field was for most of 2007.  There's a slight difference in expected fan interest between a team that's 4 games away from the WS and a team that's hovering around .500 in June.

rockies in october.

by LarryB303 on Feb 14, 2008 4:24 PM MST reply actions  

Which would you prefer?
Fans that turned up fairly regularly during the season or ones that decide they are fans once there are playoff tickets to be had?
Im an Englishman in New.. umm Phoenix

by AZDarkKnight on Feb 14, 2008 4:35 PM MST up reply actions  

It shouldn't be an either/or
I'm not trying to be obnoxious about it, I just can't understand how you DON'T sell out LCS games.  It seems impossible.  Less than 1% of the people in your metro area wanted to go to an LCS game- it's mind boggling.  I don't understand how it could have possibly happened.  Good thing for you guys that Alice Cooper is a generous dude.
rockies in october.

by LarryB303 on Feb 14, 2008 4:41 PM MST up reply actions  

Have to give that to AZ
having Cooper for a fan IS cooler than ... whatever famous singer we have.

;)

I've been in this game a hundred years, but I see new ways to lose I never knew existed before. - Casey Stengel

by Behrens on Feb 14, 2008 4:42 PM MST up reply actions  

Sigh...
I meant Johnson, of course: in ten starts last year, he had an ERA+ of 123. If his back is healthy [and he's had a lot longer to recover this time], then I see no reason he can't reproduce that level of performance over a full season.

Here we go again with the sellout thing. :-) I'll give my usual response. We had no probs at all selling out every game of the NLDS. This leads me to conclude that any shortcomings in the NLCS were entirely due to the lackluster and unappealing nature of the opposition.

AZ SnakePit
Home of the 2007 NL West Champion AZ Diamondbacks

by AZ Snakepit on Feb 14, 2008 4:46 PM MST up reply actions  

I gotta talk smack on this one
"We had no probs at all selling out every game of the NLDS. This leads me to conclude that any shortcomings in the NLCS were entirely due to the lackluster and unappealing nature of the opposition."

Or maybe it was just that a bunch of Cubs fans came and sold out your park in the NLDS? :)

http://mvn.com/mlb-rockies: The best thing to happen to baseball since 1993.

by Rox Fan in TN on Feb 14, 2008 4:54 PM MST up reply actions  

lol...
So having Cubs fans buy up 15,000 of your tickets during the LDS is a good thing?  lol...

by Narcoleptico on Feb 14, 2008 4:55 PM MST up reply actions  

Just a shame...
They didn't want to see the Rockies play. :-)

Of course, another difference between AZ fans and CO fans is, we've been there before, winning it all only six years ago. Once you've stood at the top of the world once, beating the most-storied team in baseball in arguably the most gripping Game 7 in living memory...really, facing Colorado is a minor thrill at best.

AZ SnakePit
Home of the 2007 NL West Champion AZ Diamondbacks

by AZ Snakepit on Feb 14, 2008 5:24 PM MST up reply actions  

ok...
you hold on to your World Series win from six years ago, and I'll hold on to our 4 game sweep of the D-backs from last season, you know, the last four games that your team played.

Deal>

by Narcoleptico on Feb 14, 2008 8:19 PM MST up reply actions  

to be fair..
Those are the last four games the Rockies played too ;-)

by mikeb on Feb 14, 2008 9:38 PM MST up reply actions  

It was quite a good thing actually
Especially the part at the end ^.^
Im an Englishman in New.. umm Phoenix

by AZDarkKnight on Feb 14, 2008 6:42 PM MST up reply actions  

Slight edit
"This leads me to conclude that any shortcomings in the NLCS were entirely due to the superior and overpowering nature of the opposition."

FYP

Watching the purple row from high atop the big brown monolith on California Ave

by Mondogarage on Feb 15, 2008 9:49 AM MST up reply actions  

Far be it from me to assert that the AZ
fan base is intrinsically as fervent as Denver's, but the truth is Dbacks have only been an attendance pariah since 2005, after the new owners took over. Besides gleefully stripping the franchise of its original identity, they've thrust MLB's largest % single game price differentials upon MLB's lowest per capita income market(that includes Scottsdale, btw).

Of course, to the Sedona Red Fanboys, none of that influences overall attendance, because it doesnt influence them personally :-) Instead, thousands of local fans who have opted out are conveniently labeled as front runners, fickle, etc, instead of acknowledging that we're simply brand conscious and price sensitive. I mean, how could trivial notions like brand and price have anything whatever to do with sales?

by Diamondhacks on Feb 16, 2008 10:04 PM MST up reply actions  

It's hard to disagree with this.
At the same time, you're preaching to the choir. The diehard fans, like the ones on these two blogs, are not the problem. The typical Arizona sports fan, with his displaced loyalties to other teams from where they used to live or their fleeting desire to follow only winners...that's the issue. And unfortunately, there's nothing we can do to change that mentality. Phoenix has been and probably always will be the Suns' town first, and anything else second.

There's a young fanbase out there that may manifest itself in a decade or two here, and eventually this topic will fade away, but nothing will change it that quickly.

by azdb7 on Feb 14, 2008 4:49 PM MST up reply actions  

Denver Too
The same can be said for Denver. It has always been the Broncos town. I personally do not like the Broncos but I am a huge fan of the Rockies so I guess I am weird. It is also true that I live in Colorado Springs, during the summer breaks, with the Sky Sox so I get the pleasure of watching all the upcoming stars compete. Speaking of upcoming stars, Jayson Nix is going to be fun to watch. Especially when he is matched up with Tulo.
GO ROCKIES!!! JFK

by jrockies on Feb 14, 2008 4:55 PM MST up reply actions  

and the Avalanche
Seem to do quite well too
Im an Englishman in New.. umm Phoenix

by AZDarkKnight on Feb 14, 2008 6:43 PM MST up reply actions  

Spring Training
I just thought I would point out, in the interest of all fans here, that Spring Training in Tucson, Arizona starts in 18 hours. I am getting too anxious about it and my sisters keep saying I am getting on their nerves with the countdown I have on a whiteboard. Lets get this thing rolling.
GO ROCKIES!!! JFK

by jrockies on Feb 14, 2008 5:52 PM MST reply actions  

Lord knows
we can all get behind that.

by azdb7 on Feb 14, 2008 5:55 PM MST up reply actions  

Whew!
Thanks everybody for not getting too out of control with the smack talk while I was writing a lengthy reply I just posted in a diary over at the Snakepit. Snakepit Day actually turned out to be a pretty good way of facilitating discussion on the site, at first I thought it might flop completely.

by Rox Girl on Feb 14, 2008 6:20 PM MST reply actions  

Productive
I personally like it. This was a lot better than some of the other sites I read. The people were informative and stated their points without slander and too much verbal abuse. I like learning what other people think. Thank you for the opportunity, although it came at the loss of a bet on the Rockies.
GO ROCKIES!!! JFK

by jrockies on Feb 14, 2008 6:26 PM MST up reply actions  

I agree
It was actually a good way to promote some activity in preparation for Spring Training :o). Time for me to get into baseball mode (better than Shaq mode anyway).
Im an Englishman in New.. umm Phoenix

by AZDarkKnight on Feb 14, 2008 6:45 PM MST up reply actions  

Thanks for the invite!
I promoted your diary to the front-page at the Pit: it only seemed fair to do so. I've been thoroughly entertained by the day's back and forth, and can only applaud the civilized way in which it's been carried out, by all concerned. I'll be working on a riposte to RG's riposte for most of the rest of the night. :-)

Here's to a 2008 rematch in the NLCS. But with a different outcome this time!

AZ SnakePit
Home of the 2007 NL West Champion AZ Diamondbacks

by AZ Snakepit on Feb 14, 2008 6:49 PM MST up reply actions  

Kinda OT:Tulo commercial
I know this is ot, but on accident I found out that Tulo had made a couple commercials for my lovely college town of greeley. If it has already been posted here I apologize. I know most people don't live there, but I figured the die-hard tulo fans would like this.
http://www.fastballfans.com/a-commercial-interlude-troy-tulowitzki-honda-of-greeley/
Loves Troy *Thug 4 life* Tulowitzki, Garrett *Fankles* Atkins, Ryan *the Director* Spilborghs, MattyVP Holliday, Chris Iannetta,and the Rockies in general.

by tulolover on Feb 14, 2008 7:58 PM MST reply actions  

Two amazing feats
It trully was an amazing, improbable thing for the Rockies to make it to the World Series. I think any fan up here would agree to that..

Another amazing thing was how Arizona finished above .500. I don't think I've seen a more worthless team than that line up last year in the NLCS. Yet that same team won 90 games.

Amazing!!

And they have basically the same starting eight this year. I really can't see them pulling off another miracle again this year. One injury to that rotation and they will have a hard time winning 81 games.

2008

  1. Rockies 92 wins
  2. Padres 87 wins
  3. Dodgers 86 wins
  4. Arizona 78 wins
  5. Giants 70 wins

by roxhead on Feb 14, 2008 10:02 PM MST reply actions  

This sounds like this seasons bet
Whether Arizona get more than 78 wins or not....time to put up... I think??
Im an Englishman in New.. umm Phoenix

by AZDarkKnight on Feb 19, 2008 2:38 PM MST up reply actions  

ROX VS FUENTES TODAY {THURS.}
decision Friday A.M......my money's on the Rox at 5.050M instead of 6.5M by Fuentes.
92 in 08

by 86 wins in 07 on Feb 14, 2008 10:26 PM MST reply actions  

I agree
The Rockies win the battle with Fuentes. He is not the closer anymore and he knows it. Although IF Corpas is disappointing (not likely) he could take the role back but it is still not worth 6.5M.
GO ROCKIES!!! JFK

by jrockies on Feb 14, 2008 10:36 PM MST up reply actions  

On Tulo
To nitpick the point a bit, player comps at age 22 aren't all that instructive because you're relying on a small sample size (predicting a player's entire career based on one season?) and relatively few players are even major league regulars at that age.

In any case, Bill Freehan (the most similar hitter through age 22, per B-R) had a solid career -- 200 career homers in a notably less offense-friendly era, finishing second in MVP voting in 1968 behind teammate Denny McLain (and third in 1967.)  For his career, he had an OPS+ of 112, including numbers of 144 and 145 in the two aforementioned seasons.  If Tulo has a career like that, I'll be happy.

http://mvn.com/mlb-rockies: The best thing to happen to baseball since 1993.

by Rox Fan in TN on Feb 14, 2008 11:17 PM MST reply actions  

Runs
Here are the runs differential by month. (Oct added to Sept.)

              Rockies     Diamondbacks
April           -24           8
May             -20           7
June             24         -19
July             32         -23
August           36         -14
September        54          21

People who analyze the Rockies and see September as an aberation are mistaken.  The Rockies started out horrible, largely because of misfortune.  Several players, including much of the bull pen were hurt early on.  Once these issues got resolved, around May 22 as I recall, the Rockies outplayed everyone.

There will be no falling apart this April and May.

by brian8065 on Feb 14, 2008 11:24 PM MST reply actions  

good post...
Are the D-backs going to have a positive run differential this year?  That's probably the first step to having a competitive team.  I guarantee you don't finish above .500 this year with a negative run differential.

by Narcoleptico on Feb 15, 2008 8:09 AM MST up reply actions  

Rockies and Slow start
The Rockies ended April with a 10-16 record, and on May 22nd, started the day at 18-27.
From that point on, the Rockies went on to go 72-46 the rest of the way. Really remarkable, and if Fuentes didn't have that crazy 4 game sting, it could've been even better.
The DBacks did so well because they had an incredible pitching lineup that kept games close, and the offense would finally get a run or two in to win.
"This is a game to be savored, not gulped. There's time to discuss everything between pitches or between innings." -- Bill Veeck

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