Praising Arizona
St. Valentine's Day is a day when even the calendar is Sedona Red, and is also the anniversary of Arizona statehood, so it seems an appropriate time to invoke our bet with Rox Girl, and take over Purple Row to honor the reigning National League West champions, Arizona Diamondbacks. Maybe I should explain that concept for our high-altitude colleagues. :-) A "division title" happens when you are the best team over the course of an entire 162-game regular season, rather than a three-week period at the end of September. We're quite familiar with the idea here in Phoenix. Indeed, while we will only be celebrating our tenth anniversary this April, we are now looking to capture our fifth of these "division titles".
Now, I can see why last year has probably led to unparalleled expectations among Rockies fans, not seen since the days when Andres Galarraga patrolled first-base. It will likely be a disappointment if Colorado do not go 162-0, cure world hunger and broker a peace-settlement in the Middle East. However, a reality check is in order. Despite the sweep inflicted by the Rockies in the Championship series, I think it's safe to say that Arizona fans do not really regard Colorado as a significant threat to our ambitions of another (yawn!) division title.
To be blunt, Colorado are largely seen outside the state as a mediocre team who got incandescently hot for about three weeks. Whether fair or not, their presence in the playoffs is thought of as a quirk, a once-in-a-lifetime miracle provided by the God widely reported [accurately or not] as occupying the corner locker in the home team's dressing-room at Coors. Certainly, looking back at the standings, for the first five and half months, the Rockies were the fourth-best team in the division. At the end of play on September 17th - that's after 92% of the season was completed for Colorado - they were six games back.
The last date during 2007, on which Colorado had more wins than Arizona: April 4th. In many ways, the Rockies were, in fact, incredibly lucky. Now, this may seem ironic, coming from a fan of a team who were outscored by their opponents, yet still posted the best record in the National League. However, the difference is that Arizona made their own luck, with a rock-solid bullpen and excellent hitting off the bench. Even as Colorado won thirteen of their last fourteen regular season games - the sole loss being the one time they played us when we were actually trying - they should be giving thanks to just about everyone else in the division for their playoff spot.
The San Diego Padres and, in particular, Trevor Hoffman. The all-time saves leader was one strike from putting away Tony Gwynn, Jr as the third out of the ninth, and taking the Padres to the playoffs. He couldn't finish the job, and the Brewers eventually won the game. Of course, he blew the save in the one-game playoff too - dropping back-to-back save chances for only the third time in his fifteen-year career.
The Los Angeles Dodgers for giving up, absolutely, down the stretch. Arizona beat them on September 16, to send them 4.5 back and, effectively, end their chances. The Dodgers dropped eleven of their final fourteen games - and the Rockies were lucky enough to face Los Angeles in seven of them. If the Dodgers had mustered only a single win there, Colorado would have been sitting at home in October.
The Arizona Diamondbacks and their B-roster, given a nice workout over the final two games of our regular season. We'd clinched playoff baseball with the Friday night win in Colorado, and as a result, chose to rest many players in the remaining games. Sunday, in particular, we put out just two regular starters in Drew and Reynolds. We benched our team leaders in BA (Hudson), RBI (Byrnes) and home-runs (Young), and also replaced scheduled starter Doug Davis with rookie Yusmeiro Petit. Despite all that, a full-strength Rockies line-up only won by a single run. With hindsight, we should probably have made more effort. ;-)
Now, all credit to the Rockies for seizing the opportunity presented to them with both hands, and running it all the way to the World Series. And Colorado and Arizona have much in common, both building from within, on limited budgets, and doing a fine job of competing against teams with greater resources. However, I think it's in the off-season moves that the difference between the two teams can be found. Having had the best record in the National League, Arizona could be forgiven for sitting on their laurels. Instead, they went out there and brought on board the starter for the American League in last year's All-Star game, Dan Haren. This gives the Diamondbacks arguably the best 1-2 punch in the National League, even after the Mets splashed out for Santana.
The Dodgers picked up Andruw Jones and Hiroki Kuroda, and the Padres Jim Edmonds and Mark Prior. Hell, even the Giants made more noise over the winter, with their signing of Aaron Roward. In contrast, the Rockies' inaction - their big off-season acquisition being Marcus Giles - suggests that management's master-plan for 2008 involves working towards a repeat of last year. This would mean reaching the middle of September in fourth place, then winning 13 of 14 again, and hoping that all the teams ahead of them obligingly roll over and play dead. As advance preparation goes, this is like planning to pay the mortgage by winning the Powerball. Again.
What startled me is that the Rockies devoted their time, energy and no considerable amount of money to signing Troy Tulowitzki - who was not going anywhere until the end of 2012 anyway - and signed him to the biggest contract ever for a player with his (lack of) experience. Especially one who batted an anemic .256 away from Coors, and whose average in Denver was bloated by a freakish .372 BABIP at home. At the time of writing, Baseball-Reference.com reckons the most similar hitter to Tulo is Bill DeLancey. Who? Exactly. If that's the case, I'd say the Colorado locking themselves in to a $30+ million contract seems a little premature. Still, not my money.
If I were a Rockies fan, I'd be miffed that management hadn't seen fit to shore up a pitching staff which appears reliant upon Ubaldo Jimenez being the second coming of Nolan Ryan. I mean: Jeff Francis as your Opening Day starter? He'd be the #4 in Arizona. RoxGirl and I have already debated the longer-term future of the two franchises, and both look more than averagely bright, as the prospects which they hold should keep them in good stead down the line. However, as far as 2008 is concerned, the Diamondbacks seem to have a much better chance of repeating their triumphs, than the Rockies have of repeating theirs.
Still, if the Rockies are able to help us out in keeping the Padres out of the playoffs again this year, we'll welcome their assistance. Now, what's the bet going to be for this season, RG?
Eat. Drink. Be Merry. But the above FanPost does not necessarily reflect the attitudes, opinions, or views of Purple Row's staff (unless, of course, it's written by the staff [and even then, it still might not]).
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Hmm... Bet for this season...
What about...
Bill DeLancey...
DeLancey retired to Phoenix, where he died in 1946, on his 35th birthday.
Simply because you are unfamiliar with DeLancey is no reason to trivialize him.
Any relevance to Tulowitzki is surely inconsequential.
by alexcolfax on Feb 14, 2008 2:24 PM MST reply actions
Should've gotten a live chicken...
DON'T MESS WITH JOBU.
Was Arizona...
In fact, the Rockies' winning streak over Arizona is six entering the 2008 season. But who's counting?
We all know what happens with streaks dont we...
by AZDarkKnight on Feb 14, 2008 3:28 PM MST up reply actions
Was Colorado...
Really, this is the only fair response.
by azdb7 on Feb 14, 2008 3:30 PM MST up reply actions
yea
10/10 baseball fans would prefer our end of the season to yours.
by Narcoleptico on Feb 14, 2008 4:17 PM MST up reply actions
Mmmk.
And you can say what you like, but at no point have I ever referred to the Rockies as mediocre. They're my other favorite team, after all. And if you're applying that to just a "general consensus," we all know how much the Rockies hated that when it came to being "God's team," just like how much we dislike when it refers to run differential. You'd think such sweeping generalizations would be thus avoided, but oh well.
by azdb7 on Feb 14, 2008 4:45 PM MST up reply actions
I love the dBacks...
I think that Arizona has a lot of similarities with the Colorado team in different areas. The dBacks have some young hitters that should produce, while the Rocks have some young pitchers that produced well in the playoffs.
Here are a couple of statistical comparisons:
Fielding Pct:
Rocks #1 MLB
Dbacks #8 NL
Batting Avg:
Rocks #1 NL
Dbacks #29 MLB
ERA:
Rocks #8 NL
Dbacks #4 NL
So in otherwords the Rockies were the top team in the NL in two of the three phases of the game, while the snakes were in the middle or cellar of the NL for two of the three phases. The dBacks young hitters should improve enough to push the team towards middle of the pack, while the Rocks young pitchers should push them closer to Arizona, who lost Valverde but gained Haren. So they lost a dominant closer that pitches nearly every day, but gained Barry Zito's replacement who pitches every five days? Is that an upgrade or a wash?
lol @ Arizona homers...
What triumphs are those? Getting swept in the NLCS by the Rockies?
Nope.
See, it didn't have to get all personal like this, but I don't mind playing the game, especially since I'm only half serious.
by azdb7 on Feb 14, 2008 3:31 PM MST up reply actions
That would be...
Home of the 2007 NL West Champion AZ Diamondbacks
oh...
Maybe you could trade for Curt Schilling, build a time machine and go back to when he and Randy were still good. Then you'd have a chance.
"Good?"
by azdb7 on Feb 14, 2008 3:52 PM MST up reply actions
ok....
by Narcoleptico on Feb 14, 2008 3:56 PM MST up reply actions
Wow
by AZDarkKnight on Feb 14, 2008 4:14 PM MST up reply actions
Crossing DeLancey
All of which goes to show that Arizona is where good catchers go to die.
Hard to say on that one.
by azdb7 on Feb 14, 2008 3:51 PM MST up reply actions
Seriously, how were we going to shore up
by Rox Fan in TN on Feb 14, 2008 4:02 PM MST reply actions
What did Prior cost $1M or something
by AZDarkKnight on Feb 14, 2008 4:16 PM MST up reply actions
Fogg
Foggy Memories
There was a report that the Rox offered a
Just remember
Yes, y'all at AZ managed consistency until the bitter end, but we've got the May+ team, not the April team now.
I am interested
I am not up on the changes - the only one I can think was Lopez getting injured.
by AZDarkKnight on Feb 14, 2008 4:18 PM MST up reply actions
Lineup Changes
Injury to Matsui as well
by Rox Fan in TN on Feb 14, 2008 4:40 PM MST up reply actions
I'm going to nitpick
PS- Your guys's (sic) inability to sell out your home NLCS games is far more embarrassing for your franchise than anything that could ever happen on the field of play. You're telling me you live in a metropolitan area of 4 million people... your team is only six years removed from a championship in arguably the most exciting World Series ever... and you can't find 50,000 people who want to watch the NLCS? What a joke. Make all the comebacks you want about how empty Coors Field was for most of 2007. There's a slight difference in expected fan interest between a team that's 4 games away from the WS and a team that's hovering around .500 in June.
Which would you prefer?
by AZDarkKnight on Feb 14, 2008 4:35 PM MST up reply actions
It shouldn't be an either/or
Have to give that to AZ
;)
Sigh...
Here we go again with the sellout thing. :-) I'll give my usual response. We had no probs at all selling out every game of the NLDS. This leads me to conclude that any shortcomings in the NLCS were entirely due to the lackluster and unappealing nature of the opposition.
Home of the 2007 NL West Champion AZ Diamondbacks
I gotta talk smack on this one
Or maybe it was just that a bunch of Cubs fans came and sold out your park in the NLDS? :)
by Rox Fan in TN on Feb 14, 2008 4:54 PM MST up reply actions
lol...
by Narcoleptico on Feb 14, 2008 4:55 PM MST up reply actions
Just a shame...
Of course, another difference between AZ fans and CO fans is, we've been there before, winning it all only six years ago. Once you've stood at the top of the world once, beating the most-storied team in baseball in arguably the most gripping Game 7 in living memory...really, facing Colorado is a minor thrill at best.
Home of the 2007 NL West Champion AZ Diamondbacks
ok...
Deal>
by Narcoleptico on Feb 14, 2008 8:19 PM MST up reply actions
to be fair..
It was quite a good thing actually
by AZDarkKnight on Feb 14, 2008 6:42 PM MST up reply actions
Slight edit
FYP
Far be it from me to assert that the AZ
Of course, to the Sedona Red Fanboys, none of that influences overall attendance, because it doesnt influence them personally :-) Instead, thousands of local fans who have opted out are conveniently labeled as front runners, fickle, etc, instead of acknowledging that we're simply brand conscious and price sensitive. I mean, how could trivial notions like brand and price have anything whatever to do with sales?
by Diamondhacks on Feb 16, 2008 10:04 PM MST up reply actions
It's hard to disagree with this.
There's a young fanbase out there that may manifest itself in a decade or two here, and eventually this topic will fade away, but nothing will change it that quickly.
by azdb7 on Feb 14, 2008 4:49 PM MST up reply actions
Denver Too
and the Avalanche
by AZDarkKnight on Feb 14, 2008 6:43 PM MST up reply actions
Spring Training
Whew!
Productive
I agree
by AZDarkKnight on Feb 14, 2008 6:45 PM MST up reply actions
Thanks for the invite!
Here's to a 2008 rematch in the NLCS. But with a different outcome this time!
Home of the 2007 NL West Champion AZ Diamondbacks
Kinda OT:Tulo commercial
http://www.fastballfans.com/a-commercial-interlude-troy-tulowitzki-honda-of-greeley/
by tulolover on Feb 14, 2008 7:58 PM MST reply actions
Two amazing feats
Another amazing thing was how Arizona finished above .500. I don't think I've seen a more worthless team than that line up last year in the NLCS. Yet that same team won 90 games.
Amazing!!
And they have basically the same starting eight this year. I really can't see them pulling off another miracle again this year. One injury to that rotation and they will have a hard time winning 81 games.
2008
- Rockies 92 wins
- Padres 87 wins
- Dodgers 86 wins
- Arizona 78 wins
- Giants 70 wins
This sounds like this seasons bet
by AZDarkKnight on Feb 19, 2008 2:38 PM MST up reply actions
ROX VS FUENTES TODAY {THURS.}
by 86 wins in 07 on Feb 14, 2008 10:26 PM MST reply actions
On Tulo
In any case, Bill Freehan (the most similar hitter through age 22, per B-R) had a solid career -- 200 career homers in a notably less offense-friendly era, finishing second in MVP voting in 1968 behind teammate Denny McLain (and third in 1967.) For his career, he had an OPS+ of 112, including numbers of 144 and 145 in the two aforementioned seasons. If Tulo has a career like that, I'll be happy.
by Rox Fan in TN on Feb 14, 2008 11:17 PM MST reply actions
Runs
Rockies Diamondbacks
April -24 8
May -20 7
June 24 -19
July 32 -23
August 36 -14
September 54 21
People who analyze the Rockies and see September as an aberation are mistaken. The Rockies started out horrible, largely because of misfortune. Several players, including much of the bull pen were hurt early on. Once these issues got resolved, around May 22 as I recall, the Rockies outplayed everyone.
There will be no falling apart this April and May.
good post...
by Narcoleptico on Feb 15, 2008 8:09 AM MST up reply actions
Rockies and Slow start
From that point on, the Rockies went on to go 72-46 the rest of the way. Really remarkable, and if Fuentes didn't have that crazy 4 game sting, it could've been even better.
The DBacks did so well because they had an incredible pitching lineup that kept games close, and the offense would finally get a run or two in to win.
by TheChamp on Feb 17, 2008 5:26 PM MST reply actions

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