Monday Morning Rockpile:
Okay, as many of you may be aware, we had a bit of a discussion late into the night about some of the excessively negative vibes certain players on the team are getting from users of the blog. I want to re-emphasize that one of Purple Row's guiding principles (and one of our rules, I might add) is that we don't want to get awash in cynicism and to stay forward looking and positive. I'm fine with people expressing their well articulated and thoughtful opinion that a player isn't up to snuff, but hammering it home in every plate appearance thereafter of said player isn't constructive and doesn't add anything but bad mojo for other users. Let me give a couple of deliberately silly examples of good and behavior:
Rox Girl (when lineups are posted): Oh man, Holliday's starting today. Frickin' Hurdle, we'll be lucky to score two runs.
Rox Girl (plate appearance #2): Oh, freak, I'm going to the fridge. Matt's up this inning, so it's not like I'll be missing anything.
Rox Girl (after returning, and seeing thirty new comments): Matt hit a HR?!!! That's a sign of the apocalypse if I've ever seen it.
Okay, so this would have been a better way of me handling it:
Rox Girl (lineups): I really think Holliday's home/road splits show that maybe he's better suited for a reserve role. I hope Hurdle's right in playing him here.
Rox Girl (PA #2): Wow, it's eight o'clock already? My undying devotion to the Rockies made me miss dinner again! I better go get something to eat.
Rox Girl (after returning): Yay! Matt hit a homerun! Woot! BTW, anybody see how Seth Smith is doing? We are so set at this position if we ever needed to make the switch.
I definitely don't want to single anybody out on this, because I've fallen into the poorly worded negative camp too frequently myself. All these players want to succeed and the Rockies to win just as much or more than we do, their jobs, livelihoods and dreams are at stake, after all, most of us don't put quite so much on the line with the outcomes of these games. This is something that we probably should take from Yankees and Red Sox fans, that it's a symbol of achievement and pride just to be able to put on a Rockies uniform, and we as fans should in turn be proud and supportive of the few that have earned that privilege.
That doesn't mean we want blind allegiance to the players, but they should be granted some measure of respect from all of us. Russ and I will be using the new platform's warning feature a bit more frequently in this regard this week. If you catch me being too harsh on somebody myself -Kip Wells, Mark Redman have been fairly frequent targets- feel free to flag my comment as inappropriate. I don't think cynicism is a category, but you could call it spam or something and I'll know what I've done.
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Kaz Matsui (rearing to go after his preseason health issues) isn't the only former teammate the Rockies will play against in Houston this week, Shawn Chacon is likely to start against us as well.
Tulo's batting practice went well yesterday, reports are that he turned green and ripped his shirt off before peppering the left field stands with souvenirs and Jeff Francis will get two bullpen sessions before he starts on Thursday are two of the several notes found in this morning's papers.
Troy Renck's mailbag goes into some looming personnel decisions. Reading between the lines, you can tell that Renck is a bigtime Garrett Atkins fan, and wishes the Rockies would have traded Ian Stewart already. I love Atkins' bat too, and I'm glad we have it for as long as we will, but I understand exactly why the Rockies aren't going to sign him if they can sign Holliday instead. Stewart by himself wouldn't have returned a comparable player in a trade, with Atkins we are far more likely to get equal value -or better even- in return. I also wish Renck was a little more clear in the last answer: the reason the Braves and Nationals had a one game series on the thirtieth was because the Nats requested the opportunity to show off their new stadium in a game that actually counted when the rest of the MLB wasn't playing. The league gave them that favor.
Barry Bonds HR No. 762, hit off Ubaldo Jimenez at Coors Field, went for
$376,612 at auction Saturday night. Rockies fan Jameson Sutton -who wound up with the ball- should be able to pay his step-dad's medical bills with that. Jameson, if you or your stepdad ever venture around the Row, know that we wish both of you good health and prosperity going forward and I'm very happy that it was somebody who actually needed the money that wound up with the ball.
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Negativity
As a sometimes-visitor here (I was in Houston this weekend, watching my 'Stros finally win a series), I'd noticed the negativity, too. I started checking here to keep track of Willy T, Taylor Buchholz and Hirsch after the trade for he-who-must-not-be-named-and-the-Rangers-are-finding-out-why & particularly noted lots of digs at Willy T.
Something that puzzled me in many slams at Willy T have been references to his lack of power. Duh, no kidding. That's not his thing -- never has been, never will be.
The stat to watch with Willy T. is OBP. With the Rox hitters behind him, a high OBP plus a fair no. of SB's = success. The knock on him his 2 years in Houston wasn't lack of power, which wasn't expected, it was lack of selectivity at the plate -- not enough walks for a leadoff, too low an OBP.
Well, look at his OBP record: .325 his first year (when, except for Beltran spurning the 'Stros in a last-minute free agency decision, Willy really belonged in AAA), .333 his second, .367 last year. I don't think he'll reach .367 every year, but if he does, take it to the bank: it means W's for the Rockies. This year, even with a slow start average-wise, he's at .349. If you can get a .350 or better OBP from Willy and some extra bases on steals (he's 4-for-4), take it.
My daughter and I (she eats, sleeps, breathes Astros baseball) were big Willy T fans & didn't like the trade. Our take on it was: he improved his defense by light years from when he came up early to the end of Year 2. He improved his selectivity at the plate over time . He's now improved his baserunning & steals technique (finally learning to dive back to the bag on close pickoffs, which he never did at Houston). He's a hard worker with a great attitude. My question was: will he improve at the plate over time, in terms of OBP?
I'm still not sure of the answer to that question, but last year gave some indication that he may improve at the plate, as he has in the other areas of his game. He will never be a power hitter, but knocking him for that is like ragging on Holliday for not stealing enough bases or getting enough bunt base hits.
Willy T does have his weaknesses. He's not who you want at the plate in RBI/sac fly situations, but fortunately the Rockies have a strong-hitting bench with capable CF subs that allows for pinch-hitting late in the game in such situations.
But he's got his strengths, too. He's exactly what the Rockies need in CF in their park, with his speed and arm. If he can get on base at .350 or better & get some steals, he's what they need at leadoff, too, whether some people know it or like it or not.
One positive on this blog: very little profanity. Thank you. I was checking my ex-'Stros on the Orioles after this season's blockbuster trade and have difficulty even looking at Camden Chat. Too much low-class, mindless profanity, over and over. That adds nothing worthwhile to discussions. This board operates at a pretty high level, and I enjoy that.
Astros fan for 46 frustrating years. Moving to CO in 4 years & maybe switching no. 1 team. I'm patient & loyal, but a half-century is enough. Cubs fans are nuts.
by maris61 on Apr 14, 2008 9:10 AM MDT 0 recs
well come on as aubrey huff said it's a horse**** town!
by ch3cooh1 on
Apr 14, 2008 9:38 AM MDT
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The vibe
even when the team is stumbling, is still much more positive than elsewhere in the blogosphere. Just go check out the commentsplosion over at Metsblog. They booed Johan at Shea on Saturday!
by moomacher on Apr 14, 2008 9:28 AM MDT 0 recs
I continue to believe
that the TRUE Rockies fans who have been here through the lean years (the future's so bright that I gotta wear sunglasses!) will always be optimistic because the really, really bad years culled the pesimists right out of the group. All that was left were the optimists that knew that one day it would turn around, and I think that the fanbase has built around this
by denver_sc on
Apr 14, 2008 10:29 AM MDT
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In reagrds to negativity
on this blog. I think the negativity here is fairly normal for frustrated fans that were hoping for a better start. I agree its time to see some of the positives and understand we are just in a little funk right now and the D-Back are playing at a level that I think is impossible to maintain. They will not have a team full of .400 hitters at the end of the year. I also agree that we need to be careful about needlessly bashing certain players and at least give our reasoning behind why we want to see someone else. However, I used to blog on a different Rox blog (which will remain nameless), and eventually I couldn't do it anymore. Every comment from 80% of the posters was so negative that it brought me down just looking at it. Every move by O'Dowd, ownership, or Hurdle was horrible no matter what the result or what the result could be, it got old. I say that to say, I appreciate this blog and find most posters reasonable, thoughtful, and maintaining at least a little positivity.
by smokinRox on
Apr 14, 2008 12:00 PM MDT
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I think
Negativity is unavoidble in a real world fansite. Relentless positivity despite all evidence can be just as annoying. There's a difference between cracking on guys and really hating them, and I think that there is very little--if any--truly objectionable negative vibes on this site. Maybe its just me, and the rest of my fansites are incredibly more harsh, who knows. But bashing on "veterans" is kinda one of the hallmarks of this site...
by Teekalong on
Apr 14, 2008 12:05 PM MDT
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The older kids should know better...
I figure we crack on the vets and it's their job to crack on the youngsters. :)
by Rox Girl on
Apr 14, 2008 12:11 PM MDT
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Negativity is definitely unavoidable
As someone who has in the past complained about it on the Row, (I’m a whiner and a complainer, I’ve accepted it, it’s my fate in life) this is my take: I just wish it would stay focused on the present. If a guy strikes out three times or makes a boneheaded error in the field, he can and should be booed/criticized. Heavily, even. That’s part of being a fan. But on the Row, it seems that certain players will be ragged on no matter what they do (sometimes just for being inserted into a game) while others are completely insulated from criticism no matter what they do. Put more simply, it’s an issue of bias; specifically, bias based on either past performance or future expectations. That’s why I say I wish the unintelligent criticism would stay focused in the present. (I specify for the unintelligent criticism, because the intelligent criticism like the examples Rox Girl offers above should be allowed anytime.) That’s what bothers me. Player X is a bum because he’s been struggling, and Player Y is the next big thing so he gets praised and gladhanded even if he has a bad day. Anyone who picks up a big RBI should be praised; anyone who grounds into a double play should be mocked.
rockies in october.
by LarryB303 on
Apr 15, 2008 6:56 AM MDT
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As good as Atkins is..
think about it. Why pay him millions a year when Ian can make 390 grand? Ian Stewart has star qualities written all over him. This will be the only way baseball EVER brings the salraies down. Hire the guy you raised in your system and let him perform. When he does perform, hope he has some loyalties and thinks of a million dollars as enough money to make in a year or watch him go to the Yankees or red Sox and get the next guy you raised in your system. The Rockies proved it can be done last year.
by Fungoz on Apr 14, 2008 9:46 AM MDT 0 recs
Ding!
Modern Baseball Econ 101. Grow it good, grow it cheap, buy it low, sell it high. It's not as much about Atkins as it is about the financial structure of the team, and the league itself.
As for this situation specifically, rather than bemoaning potentially losing Atkins, the Rockies and their followers should be patting themselves on the back for getting the best years of Atkins at a low price. He's already playing in his peak years, and he isn't likely to have a year as good as 2006, and that's no slight. He's not a speed merchant, or a tremendous athlete, so it will be harder for him to extend his peak past his age 30 year. That doesn't include the need for a position switch. All told, it wouldn't be money poorly spent, but if you have a cheaper alternative and you don't have a large budget, you have to make decisions based on the bottom line as much as you do talent.
Lastly, regarding Renck, he's just a cheerleader. He went over the top in discussing Sullivan's send down, and his comments about Ramon Ramirez were downright silly and compromised the credibility of the piece itself. It's one thing to admire players as reporters, and it's another for fans or bloggers to play favorites. I just have a bit of a problem when a beat writer who's always around the team constantly going to bat for just some of players when the situation doesn't necessarily call for it.
by David OhNo on
Apr 14, 2008 10:35 PM MDT
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First two weeks bearable
While this positive fan is not overly thrilled with the Rox 5-7 start, the team has played a combined nine games against the 9-4 Cards and the 9-3 Snakes. Not surprisingly, Colorado has had the toughest strength of schedule in baseball thus far.
by DeepPurple on Apr 14, 2008 10:44 AM MDT 0 recs
This is what people forget
We're only 5-7, not 3-9 or 2-10. We've won 4 of 6, and we haven't exactly been playing the Marlins, Nats, Pirates, or Giants. We've played good teams thus far in the season. We'll be fine.
Every day is a Holliday!
by free7694 on
Apr 14, 2008 10:56 AM MDT
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Wholly agree
Not only have we played tough teams so far, but as someone mentioned yesterday, we're 4-2 against teams not named the Diamondbacks, and we even managed to squeak out a road win against them. Plus, we have only had 1 major injury this year so far (Hirsh), and that puts us into the select few teams that have not been bitten by the insane injury bug that seems to be going around the majors yet (Granderson, Willis, Lackey, Kazmir, Glavine, etc). We've got brand new opponents with the Padres and 'Stros coming up, and there's no way that an offense with our talent can stay dormant for so long.
It's baseball; streaks happen.
by oo_nrb on
Apr 14, 2008 11:31 AM MDT
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Rox are going to be just fine.
Give my regards to the Padres, though.
"I was tied to a chair and he had a baseball bat. Pissing him off was the smart thing to do."
by DbacksSkins on
Apr 14, 2008 12:11 PM MDT
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Atkins
The Rockies have to hold onto Stewart. The Rox must get Holliday and Atkins resigned to long terms and then you can trade Stewart. The Rockies should know if they can or cant this season or off season. Stewart can play LF to if Holliday isnt going to stay long term or the Rox dont sign him long term they have the power ready to step in.
Great blog and one this Rockies fan has been looking for now for years.
by Durango on Apr 14, 2008 11:05 AM MDT 0 recs
Just so you know Rox
RE: Jameson, if you or your stepdad ever venture around the Row
"At the time, Sutton said he would use some of the proceeds from the sale to help defray medical expenses of his stepfather, David Arguijo, who had lung cancer. Arguijo died Wednesday."
This is a goodbye to the Row by me too as I am leaving SB Nation. I wish you all and your team well and lots of successful and enjoyable games in the future.
Regards,
Haydn
by AZDarkKnight on Apr 14, 2008 12:33 PM MDT 0 recs
Interesting article
On ESPN.com asking how much money someone would have to give you for you to willingly let your hometown team leave. What's your price?
I know I've got my prices for the Colorado teams. I was wondering what everyone else had to say, especially about the Rockies.
Every day is a Holliday!
by free7694 on Apr 14, 2008 1:21 PM MDT 0 recs
Ahhhh......
Just watching the scoreboards....so nice to see the Dodgers and and Dbacks lose the lead late in a game. Even if the Giants are beating the Dbacks, still love to see the top of the division get closer and the Dodgers lose.
by roxintober on Apr 14, 2008 11:06 PM MDT 0 recs
5-4 loss....
....and all 5 runs (3 by The Unit, 2 by Chad Qualls) were unearned.
Some teams just aren’t as good defensively as you guys….
"I was tied to a chair and he had a baseball bat. Pissing him off was the smart thing to do."
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