Wednesday Morning Rockpile:
Woody Paige's editors left some stuff out of his column on Kip Wells this morning:
He began 2000 as the No. 2 starter for the White Sox... and had a 6.02 ERA that season.
He had back-to-back earned-run averages of 3.58 and 3.28 (and 22 victories) with the Pirates, but they gave up on Wells in 2006... after back to back to back ERA's of 4.55, 5.09, and 6.69 (and 30 losses) for Pittsburgh over the next three seasons.
He was shipped to Texas for a minor-leaguer... because no team was dumb enough to offer more than Jesse freakin' Chavez for Kip Wells. Then, it was on to St. Louis, which gave up on him.., after 17 losses and a 5.77 ERA, and now, Colorado... who would be wise to realize that over the last four seasons Wells' teams have gone 32-61 in his starts.
He earned the right to be in the Rockies' rotation a bunch of money. He earned respect, if not revenge one win. We need to see some more.
I don't want to take anything away from what was a very good start by Kip last night, and certainly I remain hopeful he proves worthy of his contract, but he did have very good starts early in the season for St. Louis last year before things went South quickly. Let's not put too much into the results of one game just yet.
The same wait-before-passing-judgment caveat should be said for Jayson Nix, but coaxing two walks from the eighth slot in the lineup was as an encouraging sign as Wells' performance. The eighth slot walk didn't happen frequently enough early last season for the Rockies-albeit Chris Iannetta and Jamey Carroll did a lot more of it later in the year- so it's nice to see the change. It's one of the little things that the Padres in particular have been very good at over the last few seasons: taking advantage of opponents' being too careful before the pitcher to flip the lineup. Nix saw a total of seventeen pitches in four plate appearances, when compared to Willy Taveras -who saw just twelve in five PA's- he comes off looking particularly well.
Taveras was just miserable all around at the plate -the one notable home plate slip on a potential infield single inclusive- but I found his fifth inning fielder's choice out to shortstop particularly troubling as it followed an equally aggravating failed bunt attempt by Wells to move Jayson into scoring position after his first walk. Having to endure relying on small-ball tactics on nights like yesterday is bad enough, having to endure poorly executed small-ball is excruciating. Taveras and Brad Hawpe (who at least saw 24 pitches) were the only two in the lineup to fail to connect solidly on at least one occasion, everybody else either had solid hits or just missed moments, so I don't think we need to worry about the O tanking just yet.
At any rate, let's give lots of credit to our bullpen for the victory yesterday, Micah Bowie, Taylor Buchholz, Brian Fuentes and Manny Corpas allowed just two singles (one of the weak infield variety) and a walk in three and two thirds innings. Conspicuously -and most thankfully- absent was Luis Vizcaino. I know the team signed him with the expectation that he would have been the one to call on in the seventh instead of Buchholz, so that Hurdle didn't allow a LaTroy Hawkins-esque Opening Day disaster come to pass is a credit to our manager's ability to learn his lessons. Speaking of learning high leverage lessons from last year, compare Bowie's appearance to the first time Jeremy Affeldt came into the game with runners on in a one run ballgame in 2007. As Tracy Ringolsby points out, the new faces in 2008 are so far looking alright. Let's hope that trend continues today.
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Cut the guy some slack already
Please. I am not quite sure why the vendetta, but the guy looked great yesterday, and helped the Rockies get off to a great start. It's early in the season, no reason to eat our young yet.
by SpiritOf95 on Apr 2, 2008 8:15 AM MDT 0 recs
Hmmm...
I don't want to take anything away from what was a very good start by Kip last night
Slack. Kip was good yesterday, but it's one game. No reason to eat our young, sure, but if you'll allow me to mix metaphors, no reason to get in bed with them either...eek, sorry, that turned out particularly bad.
by potterhead4 on
Apr 2, 2008 8:20 AM MDT
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That's the other thing that kind of irked me about this comment
And Franchise 26's below. My post in this case wasn't meant to attack Wells at all, and I really was very much encouraged by the outing yesterday. If he racks up a few more like it with consistency, I'll happily issue a mea culpa. I was intending to go after a different (albeit probably too frequent) target of mine, one Woodrow Paige for cherry picking stats and giving only half truths in order to make Kip look much better than he really is. All that can do is give us as Rockies fans unfair and unfounded expectations for the pitcher. I'd much rather allow Wells to win my respect -ala Redman- through actual merit rather than false promise.
by Rox Girl on
Apr 2, 2008 9:10 AM MDT
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Encouraging
Hey, I'm all for piling on Woody, don't get me wrong on that. But I'd rather take Wells' start as an encouraging sign that his stuff is good enough to be competitive as a rotation member rather than just warily writing it off. It's not a difference of opinion, just a difference of perception, in this case. And I'm generally an optimistic sort, even more so than most.
You aren't wrong to be wary of Wells, but I don't think I'm wrong to think he took a big step in a positive direction last night.
Staying on the sunny side of Blake Street since 1993.
by Franchise26 on
Apr 2, 2008 10:04 AM MDT
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This is nothing new
Wells has been getting dogged, hard, around here all spring long. Some have openly rooted against him. But after what I saw last night, and what I saw from him stuff-wise in the spring, I'm confident in saying he's at least better than Mark Redman, and indeed, if the opportunity arose for Wells to make another start, I'm damn sure he's 'earned' that. Hell, I'd take Wells over a guy like Josh Fogg, and as much as I enjoyed the Fogger experience, that's saying a lot.
Staying on the sunny side of Blake Street since 1993.
by Franchise26 on
Apr 2, 2008 8:26 AM MDT
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Wells vs Redman is a legit question
As both have similarly troubling histories. I think you're probably right -not that we are dogging Kip too much- but that we don't dog Redman enough. Both have a lot of proving to do to make up for what are pretty substantial records of inadequacy.
by Rox Girl on
Apr 2, 2008 8:42 AM MDT
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No, we went through dogging
Redman last season. No need to beat that horse again.
"Don't give up the ship!" - Capt. James Lawrence
by Russ on
Apr 2, 2008 8:53 AM MDT
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Great?
That's definitely stretching it. I could see calling it a good start, but it doesn't approach greatness when you have three walks to three K's, four hits, including a homerun to a guy who hits them as rarely as Yadier Molina. Now if he did something like he did against Houston on April 8 last year, then yeah, that would be a great start, but what happened after that? He ran off a stretch of seven starts that saw him give up 39 runs in 39 innings. That's all I'm saying, one start isn't enough to erase a pretty long history of failing to live up to his initial promise.
by Rox Girl on
Apr 2, 2008 8:38 AM MDT
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Rox on SportsCenter!
I awake in my hotel this morning in Las Vegas, and tune in to SportsCenter to see if a World Series appearance has done anything to change the level of attention the Rox typically get on SportsCenter.
Lo and behold, there it is, a game recap, with video, and in the first 20 minutes no less.
Wait, no Tulo highlights, and what's that? Starter Wells is "roughed up" by his former club? Give me a break!
Ah, well, I like having to "earn" our respect...
You smell that? Do you smell that? Baseball in October, son. Nothing else in the world smells like that. I love the smell of Baseball in October.
by Gumbo on Apr 2, 2008 10:13 AM MDT 0 recs
I hate SportsCenter sometimes
You are right that being on SC shows how much the rest of the world respects the Rocks. What really irked me was that they didn't put Tulo's double play in the first inning in the highlights but they made it the #1 of the top ten plays. So it was the best play of the day yesterday but not good enough to make the highlights from the game.
by Rox_in_NM on
Apr 2, 2008 10:18 AM MDT
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Tulo
Did have the #1 Top Play on SportsCenter as well as the top Web Gem on Baseball Tonight.
Every day is a Holliday!
by free7694 on
Apr 2, 2008 10:18 AM MDT
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He had #1 Top Play
Well deserved, too.
Does anyone else think he doesn't quite get there without the few pounds he lost last offseason?
Watching the purple row from high atop the big brown monolith on California Ave
by Mondogarage on
Apr 2, 2008 11:06 AM MDT
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A stat on Wells
Via Viva El Birdos:
ERA in 7 Wins in '07: 0.90
ERA in 10 No Decisions: 3.89
ERA in 17 Losses: 8.86
Looks like he's either great or terrible, and I wouldn't rely on having great that often.
Every day is a Holliday!
by free7694 on Apr 2, 2008 10:33 AM MDT 0 recs
Looks like Josh Fogg
Who's that?
So we are going to have Good Wells and Bad Wells, like we did with the Fogger?
What am going to do with all these "Jeff Baker for 2nd" bumper stickers?
by Redhawk on
Apr 2, 2008 11:30 AM MDT
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Wells....
I guess that speaks for having a quick hook with Wells. If you could determine early on that he is having a bad day and yank him before too much damage, then maybe he could be effective.
by DenverBears on
Apr 2, 2008 11:55 AM MDT
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Giants
This team should lose 100 games. I fear Bochy will extend and possibly destroy Lincecum and Cain. They have no pen, no offense, bad defense, and no bench. Their only shot is when those two are pitching and last nights 120+ pitch count may bring back memories of Billy Martin.
by PinchHitLancePainter on Apr 2, 2008 10:43 AM MDT 0 recs
I'm definitely thinking I gave them a couple wins too many
In my 2008 projections the other day. I think I like parts of their bullpen a little better -Brian Wilson's a decent set-up guy on most clubs and Merkin Valdez appears to be finally pitching as he was once hyped- but other than those two, Cain Lincecum and Rowand, I don't think they have any player I'd be happy with on the MLB roster if I were a fan.
by Rox Girl on
Apr 2, 2008 11:29 AM MDT
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Yeah
but besides those issues.......
What am going to do with all these "Jeff Baker for 2nd" bumper stickers?
by Redhawk on
Apr 2, 2008 11:31 AM MDT
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Ouch
It's almost like they brought Dusty Baker back in to manage the Giants.
by Tom (RFTN) on
Apr 2, 2008 11:57 AM MDT
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It's a nice option to have
Kip Wells should not have a spot in the rotation, especially when Hirsh comes back. With that said, we can never have too many MLB-quality starters around if somebody gets hurt. Wells is certainly better than Elmer Dessens or Tim Harikkala. His problem has always been consistency; if he could put together several good starts in a row if/when somebody in the rotation goes down, it will go a long way toward getting us back in the playoffs.
by Tom (RFTN) on Apr 2, 2008 12:01 PM MDT 0 recs
Last Night was encouraging
We had Kip Wells on the mound, Holliday, Atkins and Hawpe went 0-fer, and we still won. That's what seperates playoff teams from good and above average teams, winning the games when you have spot starters on the mound and your 4-5-6 all take the collar. Because we all know that won't happen very often.
Every day is a Holliday!
by free7694 on Apr 2, 2008 12:57 PM MDT 0 recs
The thing with Kip...
I am not, definitely, rooting against him. I happen to think we have better options, and I'm not so quick to say he's better after one start when his record from past years clearly shows otherwise. I'm looking for consistency and one start isn't enough to convince me he has it. I'm thrilled he did well and it's good to have that option if we need a spot starter, but considering his history, I think we shouldn't be too quick to stick him in the rotation and expect starts like that every time.
by Squeaky on Apr 2, 2008 1:51 PM MDT 0 recs
ugh
from epsn
"Cook will make his first appearance since going down with an oblique injury in mid-August."
looks like espn has but the world series behind em as well
hop on the rockies roller coaster
by roxfan4life on Apr 2, 2008 2:53 PM MDT 0 recs
Fine with me
If everyone forgets about the World Series.
Every day is a Holliday!
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Apr 2, 2008 2:57 PM MDT
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