Thursday Morning Rockpile:
What's the real reason the Broncos, Nuggets and Avalanche (probably) all failed to find glory this year? The Rockies drank their karma. Actually, I don't think getting to the second round of the playoffs wasn't too terrible a result for the Avs this year, but what I want to know is where we can get a refill on that shake. STAT.
Jason Grilli and Jorge de la Rosa -plus $200,000 cash- in, Zach Simons out . Jose Capellan's stay with the MLB squad was cut short quickly, before he actually made a pitch for us, in fact.
Grilli seems to be the Tigers scapegoat for their own poor start, and those numbers actually aren't as terrible as Tiger fans assure us that his performance has been. I mentioned in the fanpost below that it's important to keep in mind he's switching to an easier league, and NL hitters haven't had a good look at him since 2001. I can't see anything wrong with getting a guy like this on the cheap.
Tulo's headed for the DL, Morales to Arizona in attempts to fix our floundering young players. Rockies roving pitching instructor Jim Wright will attempt to fix Morales' mechanics. For an excellent write-up on those mechanics, and a photo analysis of what he's doing differently this season from his dominant performances of last season, read Alex Eisenberg's post at Baseball Intellect. It's definitely worth the time.
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Tiger fan scouting on Grilli
So I’ve mentioned a few times my friend who loves Tigers, hates Grilli. Here’s his take on the guy. Sounds like a few guys we know:
“Inherited runners is the untold story with him. Bring him in with a couple guys on base, and they are sure to score. He throws hard, but straight as an arrow, and can’t throw an offspeed pitch for a strike.”
by Teekalong on
May 1, 2008 9:36 AM MDT
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Sounds like he'll fit in
just great! I see from the SBN Tigers page that Grilli’s nick name is “Gas Can” Hope your friend is wrong, and Gilli will be more Rodrigo Lopez or Matt Herges find type.
Garrett Atkins for 2nd ! Ian Stewart for 3rd !
by Redhawk on
May 1, 2008 11:38 AM MDT
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Capellan actually did throw a pitch...
35 of them, in fact, in his Rockies’ debut (and finale, as it turns out) last Saturday in LA. He mopped up after Redman in the 11-3 debacle.
by alex colfax on
May 1, 2008 9:59 AM MDT
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I don't remember a game Saturday night...
I don’t remember a lot of games this month, actually. Anyway, thanks for the correction. I should be more careful to actually look this stuff up sometimes.
by Rox Girl on
May 1, 2008 10:46 AM MDT
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I agree--
a forgettable game in an eminently forgettable month.
by alex colfax on
May 1, 2008 11:22 AM MDT
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And just to start May off on a great note
There’s a line on ESPN that says “Dodgers Sweep Marlins, Win 6th Straight.”
How much worse can it get? Next thing you know, the Cubs will be in first place or something.
There is a bright side to the '08 season.
Barry Bonds & Roger Clemens are out of baseball.
by maris61 on
May 1, 2008 1:34 PM MDT
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those 7 BBs in 13+ innings...
doesn’t look too pretty. Also, looking through his stats in past years, I think we can assume he is going to be mediocre, at best. In any event, relief pitching is not within the top 5 in of biggest problem with this team so far this year.
by DenverBears on
May 1, 2008 11:42 AM MDT
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Scouting Report?
Anyone have a scouting report on De La Rosa?
by smokinRox on
May 1, 2008 1:58 PM MDT
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well this sucks....
Tulo is out til atleast the All Star break…torn tendon near his quad…
by TuLoRocks2008 on
May 1, 2008 2:47 PM MDT
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yep when it rains indeed...
as if this season couldnt get any worse…ugh…
by TuLoRocks2008 on
May 1, 2008 3:09 PM MDT
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Terrible news
Despite the fact Tulo was struggling all season, everyone knows he was going to turn it around eventually and now we have to start Barmes at short for an extended period of time along with some kind of platoon at second base. The bottom of our lineup is going to be a blackhole now.
"Corpas ready, first pitch, checkswing roller...Tulowitzki has it, throws to first...BALLGAME! WORLD SERIES TIME IN COLORADO!"
by avsfan4ever33 on
May 1, 2008 3:25 PM MDT
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agreed i dont think i can take watching this
middle infield for awhile…to tell u the truth that lineup we had the other day that was a ‘MISTAKE’...we should use it more…ianetta at 3rd atkins at 2nd….or bring up stewart soon PLEASE!!...barmes every day is a disgrace his swing has so many holes its not even funny…
by TuLoRocks2008 on
May 1, 2008 3:50 PM MDT
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Lineup
I’m wondering if this will force some kind of stopgap move. I mean, 2-3 weeks, sure, we can make do with what we’ve got. But I really don’t think we can rely on Barmes plus a revolving rotation of Baker (assuming his own injury doesn’t last long), Q, Herrera, etc. for 2+ months. I mean, I suppose we can fit Steward in somehow, but that could be a defensive issue, since despite Atkins’ performance at 2nd the other day, it seems unlikely that they’d move him there more regularly. Although maybe, who knows?
It will be interesting to see how they handle this.
by holly96 on
May 1, 2008 4:14 PM MDT
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Oh man, oh man
That REALLY sucks. As avsfan points out, that leaves us with no bats after Hawpe now. Maybe time to actually try Atty at second and bring up Stewart? We’re gonna need some pop somewhere. I dunno…
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings. ~ Earl Wilson
by rockhead on
May 1, 2008 3:49 PM MDT
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Agreed...but Hawpe has hardly been tearing the cover off the ball, either
Be very fearful of the bottom of the order. I’m not sure I wouldn’t like to see more of the emergency lineup (Atkins at second, Inannetta at third); and counting on Barmes for 8-10 weeks? Yikes!!
by moose14 on
May 1, 2008 4:19 PM MDT
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Ach. That hurts (literally)
I was hoping for a two week kind of injury with Tulo. That’s…not good. The All Star break? Yikes. I feel really bad for the kid.
Extraordinarily selfish thought for the day: I hope Tulo’s back for Photo Day on the 19th of July because I’m going to celebrate my b-day.
Outlandish, pessimistic thought for the day: The Rockies are good, but they haven’t put anything together. They didn’t really improve at all over the offseason. I’m not sure if this year is the year to be looking at another playoff run. The DBacks just might have too good of a team.
Bright, optimistic thought for the day: This could be the best thing that happened to them all season. It forces people to step up. It puts pressure on. It will either make the team the next Giants or shoot them into competition.
I really really hope that we’re looking at two months for Tulo. No more. Please.
I came to the realization the other day that no matter how much they suck, these guys are still my Rockies and I really do like them. And miss them, for that matter. I haven’t been to a game since opening day and I’m not sure that counts. Let’s hope this off day does them good and they come out of May on a tear….not literal ones though.
www.notthisday.com ....coming October!!!
by Squeaky on
May 1, 2008 4:01 PM MDT
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Your birthday is July 19th?
And you’re going to Photo Day against the Pirates to celebrate? You and I have more in common than I thought, my friend.
by Tyler Boschert on
May 1, 2008 10:52 PM MDT
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It's actually the 17th
But close enough… :) and yes, I am going to Photo Day to celebrate. I really really hope Tulo’s there. :)
www.notthisday.com ....coming October!!!
by Squeaky on
May 2, 2008 1:07 PM MDT
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Tulo out until July?
AAAAAAAIIIIIEEEEEE….....
Mrs. Silverblood Fankles
by Silverblood on
May 1, 2008 4:15 PM MDT
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LINEUP ID LIKE TO SEE MOST DAYS (now that tulo is out)
1. Taveras CF
2. Helton 1B
3. Holliday LF
4. Atkins 3B
5. Hawpe RF
6. Stewart 2B
7. Ianetta C
8. Barmes SS
anyone agree? let me know what ya think
by TuLoRocks2008 on
May 1, 2008 4:25 PM MDT
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I would like to see that...
I really don’t think a stopgap of Q and Herrera is going to cut it. We need Stewart back up.
www.notthisday.com ....coming October!!!
by Squeaky on
May 1, 2008 4:26 PM MDT
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Q and Herrera/Reversion-to the Mean Barmes/Torrealba Overload
Tulo gone until July. Yeah. This evening really sucks.
Mrs. Silverblood Fankles
by Silverblood on
May 1, 2008 4:29 PM MDT
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See?
That’s not that bad of a hitting line up at all! And we really need that more than
1. Taveras CF
2. Helton 1B
3. Holliday LF
4. Atkins 3B
5. Hawpe RF
6. Torrialba C
7. Herrera 2B
8. Barmes SS
Garrett Atkins for 2nd ! Ian Stewart for 3rd !
by Redhawk on
May 1, 2008 4:30 PM MDT
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And what is the likelihood we see that a lot?
Good.
Mrs. Silverblood Fankles
by Silverblood on
May 1, 2008 4:33 PM MDT
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yep we gotta go with that lineup
if we want to compete n get back in it….so guess what
MR. O’DOWD make it happen!!!
by TuLoRocks2008 on
May 1, 2008 4:33 PM MDT
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HOW 'BOUT THE ROX PLATOON....
Hawpe and Spilborghs until one takes the job. come late defensively, in lead situations, with Herrera/Quintinilla for Stew at 2B.
by 91 wins in 08 on
May 1, 2008 5:47 PM MDT
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Further reflections on Tulo being gone:
AAAAAAAIIIIEEEE.
Wow, that news just put a serious damper on the evening.
Mrs. Silverblood Fankles
by Silverblood on
May 1, 2008 4:27 PM MDT
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Well, It's no longer April
so since anyone can’t say “It’s still/just April” anymore, I’d like to look at where the Rockies are:
1) Completely under performing and has HUGE holes.
2) Starting pitching has been terrible, But there are nice arms just a year away in AA, and AAA. One year from now we will have TOO MANY good young starting pitchers. Which means we may need to trade some of this.
Next year: Francis, Cook, Jimenez, Hirsh, Morales, Reynolds
3) With the emergence of Bellorian at AAA and Iannetta at the big league club, we have an extra asset in Torrialba to trade at the deadline for teams that need a catcher (Yankees phone #?).
4) We need to find out if Stewart is going to be a replacement for Holliday or Atkins now.
the good news about all this: with the D-backs fast start, and the Dodgers emergence under Torre we were out of this race anyway. Goal: Don’t finish in last place. Find out what we have in Stewart. Give Fowler his cup of Coffee to see if we can trade Tavares, Get Corpas on track and back closing then trade Fuentes at the dead line.
With some smart trades we are looking great for 2009. 2008 is the sacrificial lamb for both 2007 and 2009
Garrett Atkins for 2nd ! Ian Stewart for 3rd !
by Redhawk on
May 1, 2008 4:48 PM MDT
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I really hate to think that way
but I can’t help it, either. This is LAME. I’m all for the Atkins to 2b, Stewart to 3b plan…
by Teekalong on
May 1, 2008 5:45 PM MDT
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I really hate to say it,
and I do mean really hate to say it, but I’m starting to be afraid that you’re right about 2008. A third place finish might have to be considered successful this year. Especially if things continue to go south as they have thus far. If the lovely month of May puts us in a deeper hole, then the moves you describe would give the young ones some time to play and develop and get ready for ‘09.
Maybe I just expected too much this year, and the hangover from Rocktober finally took over. Things just ain’t too good right now for the good guys.
BIG ol’ sigh.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings. ~ Earl Wilson
by rockhead on
May 1, 2008 7:27 PM MDT
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Baker
Since Baker was battling Nix for the 2B job in Spring Training, why wouldn’t he land at 2B and Barmes at SS? I like Stewart, but I thought he had defensive issue at 2B in the spring.
I just bought a custom Tulo onesie for my 8 month old daughter … hopefully he’s back before she outgrows it!
Some moron on ESPN (a reader) commented that it was an interesting coincident that Tulo got “injured” right after signing a big contract. Seriously, how stupid do you have to be to entertain that thought?
Maybe the team can rally around this and put together a run.
by kosmo99 on
May 1, 2008 5:57 PM MDT
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They read ESPN
what does that tell you about their level of baseball acumen? Tulo would probably cut off his own legs on purpose before he’d do anything that would take him from baseball, which is his life. He’s probably going to be pretty difficult to live with the next few months… he has to sit on his butt and watch, while being unable to help. It will drive him crazy.
Mrs. Silverblood Fankles
by Silverblood on
May 1, 2008 6:13 PM MDT
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To refer to somebody posting at ESPN as "a reader"...
...is probably giving them too much credit.
Anyway, I was gonna say; because Tulowitzki just HATES playing baseball, and ONLY cares about money….. right??
Max Scherzer is all out of bubblegum.
by DbacksSkins on
May 1, 2008 10:45 PM MDT
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Sigh
Every time I go to MLB.com and see “Tulowitzki out at least until All-Star break,” it’s so depressing. Since I’m pretty sure this is bottom, can we win now PLEASE? I don’t even care about making the playoffs again, I don’t want to embarrass ourselves thoroughly a year after such a great season.
Mrs. Silverblood Fankles
by Silverblood on
May 1, 2008 6:55 PM MDT
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Anyone remember the debate a few months back
About whether it was too soon to sign tulo and corpas to those big deals after just one year??? I think tulo will come back strong but I still dont know if it was the right decision to throw out those contracts so soon and this year has so far proved to be the devils advocate for that.
Clint Barmes: 2008 NL MVP
by 4atjc44 on
May 1, 2008 7:02 PM MDT
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Q
I guess I’m alone in this opinion, and admittedly it’s based on watching Q in college (where I thought he was one of the best college players I’d seen) & knowing nothing about Herrera, but I think if Q is given a decent shot at playing nearly every day, he’ll come through. He’s at the point in his career where he knows this is probably his last real chance with this organization, so he’s about as motivated as a player can be. And, good grief, with most other organizations a player who plays defense like Q & put up the offensive numbers he did in Spring Training & so far in AAA would be getting some serious playing time in the Majors.
If he bombs & hits .250 with no power again, everyone can say “we told you so”, but I’ll watch with interest to see what he does. I just hope he gets enough PT to be given a real chance.
There is a bright side to the '08 season.
Barry Bonds & Roger Clemens are out of baseball.
by maris61 on
May 1, 2008 8:08 PM MDT
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I have to agree
w/ some of what you are saying here. The main thing I agree w/ is that Q will get the bulk of the playing time at 2B, w/ Baker getting some starts. I’m not sure I think our lineup will be very good w/ Barmes, Q, and Torrealba hitting 6-7-8, but I think we are going to see that most of the time. I do think Q will be motivated and that he is running out of time to prove he is more than a platoon middle infielder/defensive replacement. I’m just not sure that there is enough offensive potential, on the flip side he has an OPS of .875 and he is a left handed bat that we need in the lineup.
I would rather that left handed bat be Stewart, mainly because I dig the long ball. But he has been seriously slumping as of late and it would be nice to bring him up when he’s on a roll. Also I’m not sure how ugly our defense would be w/ him or Atkins at 2B, but I’m pretty sure it would be even uglier than Baker at 2B.
The last point I have to make is: please Hurdle, for the love of all things Holy, play Iannetta at least 3 times a week.
by smokinRox on
May 1, 2008 9:37 PM MDT
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Everyone has potential to hit...
including Q. The Rockies just have to evaluate all their options. While our situation isn’t close to being ideal, we have to make the best with what we have. We have to find something that clicks and stick with it We still have a very talented team even without Tulo, I think if the players can be more relaxed, we can find a way to win. After all, the game with the injuries was one of the few we have won and I think that it was due to the amusement of switching Fankles to second and Netta to third. I also agree with what people have said about the fact that even though some teams like the dbacks are rolling right now, they will eventually tail off and go through a slump sooner or later. It’s baseball where every single team technically will lose a large number of games.
As a sidenote, I too agree that Iannetta needs more playing time. He has been hitting well and we need that..his defensive game isn’t bad either. It’s not that I hate Yorvy, I actually like both of them. I think Yorvy will be sharper in the games he starts if he shares starts with Iannetta.
That being said, I know I am still one from the insane lot of rockies fans. After a long week of finals and papers before my official finals week, I picked up tickets for the entire series against the dodgers this weekend and I am totally pumped! I keep thinking, the only way we can go is up…
"From now on let's stop worrying about winning and losing, just go out and play and have fun. If you make an error forget it, if you strike out who cares. Just as long as you hustle."
~Billy Heywood ~ Little Big League
by AtkinsandTulofan on
May 1, 2008 9:40 PM MDT
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I feel you
I am an insane Rockies fan too. I was having a moment of missing them intensely a few days ago, since I’m in NY and they’re back home in CO, and even though they suck, they are still mine and I want to go to a game and watch them suck in person….
Well, maybe I don’t, but I still get how you feel.
Mrs. Silverblood Fankles
by Silverblood on
May 1, 2008 9:54 PM MDT
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At this point
I’d like to quote Nietzsche, or, more recently, Kanye West:
What does not destroy me, makes me stronger.
Every day is a Holliday!
by free7694 on
May 1, 2008 9:41 PM MDT
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+1
Most definately!
"From now on let's stop worrying about winning and losing, just go out and play and have fun. If you make an error forget it, if you strike out who cares. Just as long as you hustle."
~Billy Heywood ~ Little Big League
by AtkinsandTulofan on
May 1, 2008 9:42 PM MDT
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Sean Smith
I think he may have gotten hurt during tonight’s game. He left after four innings having thrown just 53 pitches (and only having given up two hits.) I also noticed that the relief pitcher who came in to replace him took a really long time warming up.
by Tom (RFTN) on
May 1, 2008 10:06 PM MDT
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So
I’m the best man in a wedding this weekend in Denver, and the rehearsal dinner is in a LoDo establishment. The groom is a diehard fan. I feel like I’d just be doing my duty by sneaking him away for a few innings this weekend, right?
by Teekalong on
May 1, 2008 10:18 PM MDT
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Probably
I have a friend who got married last Saturday, and he’s a diehard NFL fan. I can’t believe he got married on draft day.
And your buddy probably doesn’t care, but he’s getting married on my birthday.
by Tom (RFTN) on
May 1, 2008 10:30 PM MDT
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Corpas
picked up his first save last year on my wedding day. My wife is furious that I know this.
by Teekalong on
May 2, 2008 12:48 AM MDT
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OTOH,
she’s got a good reason to kick your arse if you forget about your anniversary…
Max Scherzer is all out of bubblegum.
by DbacksSkins on
May 2, 2008 1:45 AM MDT
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honeymoon
I was on mine during last year’s road trip through hell (Toronto and Houston).
When I came back, I was like, What the hell happened? I can’t leave you guys alone for a week and you go and screw everything up.
The poster formerly known as Blake20th.
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May 2, 2008 5:51 AM MDT
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