Wednesday Morning Rockpile: Atkins our hero, our captain

by Rox Girl on May 14, 2008 11:20 AM MDT in Rockpile

Clamoring for a trade... Sheesh... what Phillies fans were doing with Pat Burrell before late 2007 was clambering. We're a lot nicer to Garrett, and we certainly acknowledge that he is one of the two best hitters on the team this season -assuming Chris Iannetta is overreaching his potential a bit with his start- and very grateful for his role in last season's team. I'm just waiting to hear a better solution. Trade Stewart for whom? Is it just a one for one deal or do we have to add a "throw-in" that comes and bites us Joe Nathan-like down the road?

No this might be clamoring. "Forgotten man " Jeff Baker has been putting up this line since April 10, 2007: .192/.262/.277, and that includes the bounce he got from his infield single yesterday. Which would you rather have subbing for Todd Helton, that, or Willy Taveras' .234/.307/.290 line from his admittedly miserable 2008? Baker's not being forgotten, he's being willfully, and perhaps rightfully, ignored because he just isn't producing. Even so, he's got nearly as many AB's this year as Chris Iannetta, who now that I think about it, and the way he took throws at third the other day, might not have been a bad idea to be the rest sub for Todd last night.

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Baker

needs to be shipped out. He’s not helping the team, and he’s not even a good left handed pinch hitter. I would have like to see him get regular AB’s at 2nd, but I guess there is a reason for this not happening. Maybe AAA? I would assume he clears waivers, not many teams have a burning need for a right handed bench guy that hits about ,200…not even the Rockies

As far as the Stewart/Atkins/Helton/Holliday conundrum….there is no “good” answer that I can see

Trade our best hitting player (not only this year but over the last 3) in Atkins, or trade a young cheap unknown with huge potential in Stewart for peanuts, or try to trade an untradeable player in Helton. While players like Tavares loses another step, Hawpe can’t reach the seats, Tulo is injured, and was doing his best Angel Berroa impression before he was hurt, or starting Catcher can’t throw out anyone and can’t hit .250. and have another minor league 2ndbaseman dejour start, and not forgetting Holliday (our 2nd best hitter, and arguably our best) and his agent Scott Boras ride free into the land of big buck contracts, and teams that contend year in and year out.

WHAT THE (expletive deleted) IS GOING ON WITH THIS TEAM? YOU ARE THE NATIONAL (expletive deleted) LEAGUE (expletive deleted) CHAMPIONS, START PLAYING LIKE IT!!! WE NOW ARE IN LAST PLACE WITH THE WORST (expletive deleted) RECORD IN THE LEAGUE! THAT IS UNAC-(expletive deleted)-CEPTABLE!! YOU GUYS HAD BETTER SIT DOWN AND TAKE A LONG LOOK AT YOUSELVES AND FIGURE OUT WHAT THE (expletive deleted) IS GOING ON BECAUSE THIS TEAM IS TO (expletive deleted) GOOD TO BE PLAYING THIS (expletive deleted)! NOW, I’LL BE IN MY OFFICE IF ANYBODY FIGURES ANYTHING OUT. (SLAMS OFFICE DOOR) courtesy of free7694

by Redhawk on May 14, 2008 11:49 AM MDT reply actions

Helton

has some value. Not necessarily to this team, but I can see some team like the Yankees or Red Sox wanting Helton. That, to me, is the best solution for all parties.

I can’t see the Rockies trading him, though.

by rosenthal on May 14, 2008 12:01 PM MDT reply actions

patricide...

This is admittedly the best way to go if it weren’t so distasteful.

I wouldn’t trade with the Red Sox at all with Theo at the helm, as they’re too smart for their own good, apparently. It’s amazing that the Padres didn’t have to give up Wade LeBlanc for Bryan Corey. That leaves the Yanks, and that in itself might be difficult.

Come on Cash and Hank Jr., Helton for Cano straight up. Your washed up 2B for our vintage 1B, that seems fair to me…

by Rox Girl on May 14, 2008 12:27 PM MDT up reply actions

Hell

I don’t care if we don’t get fair value, so long as we don’t have to pay the remainder of Helton’s deal. That will free up much-needed salary.

Granted, we would turn around and give it all back to Holliday and we’d have Helton Version 2.0 in 2012 when Holliday slows down to a .280 hitter.

by rosenthal on May 14, 2008 1:00 PM MDT up reply actions

Anyone else notice

this?

The Rockies remained interested in acquiring Red Sox reliever Julian Tavarez but aren’t about to give up pitching prospect Brandon Hynick.

Someone’s over-inflating Tavarez’s value if that’s the player asked for in return.

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by Russ Oates on May 14, 2008 12:01 PM MDT reply actions

Honestly

Hynick would probably provide what Tavarez would right now, and at a much-reduced price.

by rosenthal on May 14, 2008 12:02 PM MDT up reply actions

SHEET

just wait till the end of the 10 days DFA when Tavarez will be a free agent.

by Redhawk on May 14, 2008 12:07 PM MDT up reply actions

Re: your sig

That would be EXACTLY what I want Hurdle to say right about now. What is he saying? Nothing. If he does, it’s that, “Well, our offense sure needs to get going,” or, “We’re just trying to be patient.” No, really?!

www.notthisday.com ....coming September 26th and 27th at the Pinnacle Event Center, Denver.

by Squeaky on May 14, 2008 2:33 PM MDT up reply actions

Thanks

totally stolen

But I was cussing and screaming last night, and I said in the game thread that if I was the manager I’d be going in a tirade. free7694 said: something like this?:

by Redhawk on May 14, 2008 4:53 PM MDT up reply actions

Wow!

I about fell out of my chair reading that.

The Red Sox are dumping Tavarez yet have the gonads to ask for Hynick before doing so. How does O’Dowd even answer that? How can he even continue any conversation?

How would the Red Sox feel if they would have inquired about Mark Redman last week and O’Dowd ask for Michael Bowden or Justin Masterson in return?

Amazing..

by roxhead on May 14, 2008 6:09 PM MDT up reply actions

I would rather have

Jorge Sosa and Nelson Figueroa than Tavarez

by Jester76 on May 14, 2008 8:46 PM MDT up reply actions

who would help more

Julian Tavarez or the recently DFA’d Jorge Sosa (who originally signed with the Rockies in 1995)?

Aut Vincam Aut Periam

by PioneerSkies on May 14, 2008 12:52 PM MDT reply actions

Would you like

a broken down chevy….or a broken down ford?

by Redhawk on May 14, 2008 4:54 PM MDT up reply actions

I concur with Rox Girl

Play Iannetta at first if Todd can’t go… Gets his bat into the lineup (and may even be an improvement over Todd at points) and hey, if he can survive third, he can survive first! As a catcher, he’s used to picking ‘em out of the dirt….

We're all going to die!

by Silverblood on May 14, 2008 2:02 PM MDT reply actions

Major upgrade needed

Much like at the trade deadline last year, a major upgrade is needed.

Just getting someone like Tavarez isn’t going to get us back in (and win) the race in the NL West. Maybe a move like that before the season could have prevented some of the mess that has happened so far but at this point ‘stopping the bleeding’ doesn’t provide much value in terms of how this season plays out.

The Rockies either need to make significant upgrades (though I don’t know if those upgrades are available) or just take thier chances and muddle through. A decent fifth starter isn’t going to change things much.

by MADness on May 14, 2008 4:54 PM MDT reply actions