Wednesday Morning Rockpile: Hard Questions Need Asked, Rockies Need Answers
On Sunday, the Dodgers Clayton Kershaw made his major league debut. Kershaw's a hard throwing left hander with top notch complementary pitches known through his minor league career for wildness. This season, he's looking like a potential ace. That first sentence could have also been said of Franklin Morales, but not the second. Micah Owings, Max Scerzer, Tim Lincecum, Jonathan Sanchez, Chad Billingsley.
Hard Question #1:
Why are the Rockies divisional peers doing a better job of developing their young pitchers?
Last night, Ubaldo Jimenez, one of those young pitchers failing to live up to his potential, gave up seven runs in the first two innings. The Rockies lead the majors in first inning runs allowed with 53. Just three other teams, the Phillies, Astros and Twins, have allowed forty or more. Most of the other teams are in the low twenties in runs given up in the first. Last season, the Rockies allowed four or more runs in the first inning just four times in 163 games, this season they've already let that happen five times 52 games.
Hard Question #2:
Why don't Rockies pitchers -besides Aaron Cook- seem prepared for their starts?
Let's go on to a really tough one. We've seen several players sent down to AAA or DFA'd for poor performance thus far this season, including Morales, Jayson Nix, and Mark Redman. The front office was able to take decisive action to hold these players accountable for under-performance, even though this would significantly impact said players finances.
Hard Question #3:
Do the Rockies really feel that the team's players are the sole responsible parties for this season's failures, and if not, why are they the only ones being held accountable?
Injuries, unexpected drops in output, lots of factors are at play, so I'm not entirely sure the correct answer to this one is to can coaching staff or what have you even though I'm kind of leaning that direction in regards to the pitching situation. I've got to go run some errands this morning, but I can think of more that I can probably post in the comments when I return, in the meantime, feel free to do likewise. Our performance in Philly certainly seems to be calling for some more venting today.
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Just to be correct:
Micah Bowie has performed poorly, but he’s on the DL. As much as we all might want to see him off the roster, he’s still on it.
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Here's one that I can't figure out:
Hard Question #4: After such a miserable start after a World Series run, why are we not hearing about any kind of discontent from the front office?
After all. It is not early anymore. We are a third of the way through the season and nothing has improved because of waiting around and hoping it does. The Rockies have been absolutely embarrassed in Philly and in many other series, and yet there is not even a peep from the top dogs, GM, or even Manager. Willie Randolph works in New York, sure, but he hasn’t been winning and he’s heard about it. There doesn’t seem to be any pressure on our manager to create a winning team, and his patience preaching isn’t working out either.
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This is a good question
and I think the answer to it is the answer behind all the other questions. This organization doesn’t know how to win.
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I'd also add a Hard Question #4
similar to #1 though far lesser degree of severity:
Why are the Rockies divisional peers doing a better job of developing their young position players?
Now the Rockies have done OK here, but it seems we have been passed by the D-backs and the Dodgers in this one. The Dodgers over the last few years, have produced Loney, Kemp, Either, Martin (all appear to be solid starters) and even Blake DeWitt. The D-Backs have a slew of players, even to the point of giving some away in Quinton, and Callispo. Reynolds, Drew, Jackson, Young, Upton….they don’t seem to have missed once.
The Rockies have produced their share, but not enough to replace the ones leaving, or already falling off due to age/decline (Hawpe, Helton, Tavares) or Free Agency (Atkins, Holliday). This feels like an “arms/bat race” that the Rockies are falling behind in. Throw in the fact that the Dodgers can throw stupid money to feel in their roster holes, it’s hard to keep up. (actually the Dodgers thankfully have missed almost every time they threw big money at a FA player! That is keeping them in the pack)
All these questions really, really bother me. If the Rockies are to compete we HAVE to produce a steady stream of prospects. And we aren’t keeping up. Is it coaching? yeah that’s part of it. Is it scouting? yeah that’s in there. Is it drafting for sign-ability? I’m afraid that is a key too. Is it the fact there is no way a player can be evaluated properly in the humidor-less Colorado Springs air? yep, that’s part of it.
But the bottom line to me is this organization, accepts and even aims for, mediocrity.
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I agree about the farm system
it seems like in the past few years we have been unable to really develop positional guys. I suppose it doesn’t help that the two middle rungs of the system are having terrible years, and most of the prospects in the Springs have been called up to the big team.
Compensation
I think part of the problem here is that the Rockies are constantly signing stupid free agents to fill holes. They have not had any significant free agents of their own who are worthy of compenstation leave the team in years. This means that they are only getting two picks in the top 100 of the draft, and need to be that much more precise with their scouting. The D-backs and Dodgers constantly have two-three type A free agents leave, which results in more picks for them in the top 50. How many times have we seen the Dodgers have 6 of the top 57 picks? More than once. It’s a catch 22 because we need to trade Fuentes for immediate help now, but if we let him go as a FA this winter, maybe we could do a better job of cherry picking the best talent in the draft. After Round 2, the draft is a crap shoot anyway and it depends on who has the best scouts (the Rockies I think have great scouts, look at the 2004 draft RoxGirl wrote about in the RMN). We need to have more choices in the top 50 and not get screwed by those teams willing to hold a key free agent and let him walk in the winter.
Part of the problem
is that the Rockies have focused far too much on drafting safe, signable players instead of growing some cojones and going for high-risk, high-reward guys. Take the 2006 draft, when we took Reynolds with the #2 pick. Among the pitchers we passed on: Clayton Kershaw (high school pitcher, too much of a risk), Tim Lincecum (risky due to injury concerns and size), and Max Scherzer (was a Boras client and therefore not an easy sign, also injury concerns.) Not that Reynolds is a bad pitcher, and it’s too early to tell, but right now wouldn’t you trade Reynolds for any of those three straight up?
2007 typified the same approach. Again, Casey Weathers isn’t a bad pitcher, but it seems like the Rockies drafted him because he was a “safe” pick and an easy sign.
IS JIM WRIGHT THE ....
pitching coordinator when answering difficult question # 1?
So far this year
the organization is behaving like someone who wins the lottery and then ends up bankrupt five years later. Instead of using last year’s run as a springboard to improve, they’ve decided to sit back and hope for another 1,000 to 1 shot. Going just by attendance figures so far, fans seem willing to embrace the team even if we suck this year, but I worry that the goodwill could be extinguished and we could be right back to 2005 again. And thats without even getting into the PR nightmare that is going to be the Matt Holliday situation.
Why can’t the Monfort’s just tell certain people in the organization (Hurdle, etc) “thanks for all the work you’ve done into building the team, we are going to get someone what a little different skillset.” Its like a start up company that goes public. No matter how brilliant or charismatic the founder, they are usually better off hiring a CEO and management who knows how to run a bigger company. I don’t get the sense that anyone in the organization knows how to run a successful team.
Sorry for the trainwreck of grammar in that post
I should really proofread first.
Regardless of the front office's view of Hurdle
They are doing the “right thing” by not making a big brouhaha about him until after the all star game. The fact is, no new manager would make an ounce of difference right now, for certain we’d just promote one of the coaches currently on staff and that hardly seems like any sort of salvation. On top of that, it would be a PR nightmare to have all-star weekend nonstop discussions about firing the manager.
No, replacing Hurdle, if it needs to be done (and I take no position on that for the present purposes) must wait until after the all star break for sure, and really there’s no major benefit in doing it to the offseason. The fact is, this team is nowhere near competitive as currently constituted and no new manager is going to bring along any pixie dust to change that in the short term.
I can agree with this...
But whether or not Hurdle GOES, I would like the FO to talk to him BEFORE the All Star break and let him know that he needs to start winning. Right now. I don’t think a new manager is going to be all pixie dust and happy thoughts, but something must be changed with the situation.
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That, I agree with wholeheartedly
and it should be happening already.
Possible answer to Question #1
I have to preface with the fact that I have never been an Apodaca fan. He seems out of his depth in the majors.
Mark Wiley left the Rockies after last year to join the Marlins. Among the many wonderful things happening in Miami this year is the development of their young pitchers. I have read several stories giving Wiley credit for harnessing their talent.
Bob McClure left the Sky Sox two years ago to join the Royals. While probably not as amazing as the Marlins results, McClure has worked well with Greinke, Bannister, Soria and Hochevar.
First order of business is to deal with our Pitching Coach. I don’t know if Coach Kniffen, the Sky Sox’s pitching coach, is the answer, but can he be any worse.
I think I've got to agree with you, here...
More than the inabilities of anybody in the organization, and question #2, I think, illustrates some of Apodaca’s inabilities to get the most out of pitchers in his charge, I think the loss of key coaching talent these last two seasons has taken a bigger toll on our fortunes this season. Florida’s pitchers were packed with talent, but unmotivated disappointments until Wiley took hold of them. Likewise, the return to form of Zack Greinke, the performances of Leo Nunez and Luke Hochevar and even to some extent Bannister and Meche should be credits to McClure. Soria seems more of a natural talent that may have come about with or without him, but you’ve got admit he’s getting a lot out of that staff.
Hard Questions
Due to the incredibly soft media that covers this team and the preponderance of casual fans, the hard questions never get asked until the team is going down in flames. In this market this team could live off last year for the next 5 years. I’ve never had a sense of any accountability from the front office. It’s always musical players. If the manager has any motivational skills I’d hate to see the results if he didn’t. Apodaca was fired by the Mets and Brewers but he and Hurdle are old cronies so I don’t see him going anywhere. I agree this franchise is the definition of mediocrity. Why would anyone care if Hurdle got fired before or after the all star break? Sometimes you have to go with new blood just to make a change. Put Weiss or Castilla in there and the casual fan would applaud. IMO getting rid of Hurdle wouldn’t be a PR disaster, consistently losing is a PR disaster.
by DieHardRox on May 28, 2008 11:36 AM MDT up reply actions
You're absolutely right...
about the lame media coverage locally.
It would be nice to see a forum similar to this one in the News or Post. But since that would actually involve criticism and assigning accountability (rather than the usual inanities), I doubt we’ll ever see it.
by alex colfax on May 28, 2008 12:03 PM MDT up reply actions
Since Buddy Bell was fired in 2002...
has any relevant non-player been canned for poor job performance?
They have packed it in....
“It’s more about finding at-bats while he’s here. We’re in a position now to take a flier on some things. And we want to see if he can pull this off.”
Hurdle on Stewart today’s RMN
The experiments have begun. Look for the obligatory O’Dowd firesale soon.
by PinchHitLancePainter on May 28, 2008 11:33 AM MDT reply actions
No doubt for some good, veteran relievers?
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I saw that comment
as well. It really was significant in showing the current mind set. I’ve said the same thing, but about a month ago. It is still early, but the fact is the rockies are tied for the 2nd worst record in baseball. We need to shoot for an improved 09 campaign. And that means finding out what we have, and what we don’t have, and making moves to get better.
I don’t think we are in complete rebuilding mode, but we need to move assets this year and in the off season, that will bring back some key missing pieces.
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I'm absolutely fine with this...
Really, given the scarcity of playoff teams in baseball, winning the NLCS one season, tanking the next so thoroughly that you get a top 3 draft pick and then bouncing back to contention the year after is preferable to a lower middle of the pack dozen years between Wild-Card seasons as we did between 1995 and 2007.
I'd rather have plan C please
be in contention every year.
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You come up with the money
About $130 million out of your pocket each year plus the $90 million or so the team makes and we can make it happen.
I don't think
getting rid of the manager during the season will do much for this season. Barring a ROCK-july through Rocktober changes should be made. To not make a change “because the team is not built to win” begs for this trend to continue in the future.
InToddwetrust
I'm in the Fire Hurdle Now Camp
but a true over-haul (and I think we need a complete over-haul from the GM down to the roving minor league instructors) can’t happen mid season that is true. Mid season firings work when you have a talented team, that needs a boost (see the 08 Mets). This team is too far down, and to bad to get a big boost mid season.
But I want Hurdle out so bad, that NOW works just fine for me.
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That last sentence probably exemplifies why it might be a good idea
I still think it would be a mostly meaningless gesture to the fortunes of the team this season, but it’s undeniable that managers are a key focal point for the fanbase when teams are losing, and replacing the guy in charge of the bench at least gives the sense of change inside the organization even if it’s just window dressing. Is a new manager really going to risk the ire of his veteran players by sitting Hawpe or Torrealba more? Giving Helton, the face of the franchise more rest? I find this debatable since a huge part of a managers job is to protect these guys’ egos and keep them on the same page.
Which veteran players exactly?
Holliday, who has one foot out the door? Atkins, who ripped Francis for taking a “below market” deal? Helton, whose contract has become an even bigger liability than it was in the past? Fuentes, who is already looking for apartments in New York?
Smith, Spilly, Stewart..
Need to be in the starting lineup more often. They’re too talented to be sitting the bench, and Spilly is one of the top RBI producers per AB.
There's only one Rocktober!!
Re: Holliday and Atkins
Maybe I’m stubborn/oblivious/all of the above, but I haven’t seen what you mean on Holliday. Sure, he has Boras as his agent and that sends some messages, but he’s said many times that he does actually like it in Colorado. Being so bad this year will certainly influence his decision, but I seriously haven’t seen anything tangible that would make me think he’s just counting days until he gets a huge contract. He hasn’t been hitting as well, but who HAS lived up to expectations on this front?
As for Atkins, I feel like the FO really holds grudges. Ever since Garrett said no to the long term deal a year or two ago, they won’t even mention it. I think the Garrett’s the one we need to keep, if any. I think he’s really worth it in the long run.
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Its just really hard for me to see how Holliday woud fit into the payroll of the team
Even a hometown discount in the $12 MM per year range is still going to put a big strain on the teams budget, especially with Helton’s contract. Then add in the fact that he has Scott Boras as an agent, and that a lot of big market teams have payroll coming off this summer, it seems to me like he is gone.
Actually
the range has been in the $20 MM per year range, similar to Carlos Lee also a Boras client. (Boras thinks this IS a home town discount by the way) the sticking point is the number of years of the contract. The Rockies have mentioned 5, Boras 7.
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To me $20 MM is laughable
I like Matty and all, but there is no way the rockies can afford that kind of deal .
I don't if you understand how big a deal the Boras factor is
He’s had a grand total of one client stick with the team he came up in the minors with when he hit free agency, and that was when Andruw Jones negotiated his own deal with the Braves a few years back against Boras’ wishes and behind his back.
Even Alex Rodriguez had to go around Boras to stick with the Yankees. I am reasonably certain that Holliday would have to do the same sort of thing with the Rockies, otherwise Boras is just using their offers to evaluate Matt’s potential market.
I do...
But my comment was referring to the speculation that Matt himself is halfway out the door. Perhaps Boras has the door open, and I would not doubt that Boras will demand too much and Matt will be gone. It’s just that for the moment, I don’t see the evidence to suggest Matt himself, as a player, is halfway out the door. But that’s just me.
No, I don’t think there’s any way Boras will let Matt stay on the Rockies.
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Yep... those are they
For better or ill, those are the players that this team needs to perform well to win. We all love Stewart and Smith and Reynolds and U-ball, but if you go too far that direction or do it in the wrong way, you’ll get the kind fractious clubhouse that the Dodgers ran into last season and that they still haven’t completely fixed. Until those players you mention are actually gone, you can’t just ignore them. Bench Helton, he bitches to his friend Cook, who’s going to be more resentful of the inconsistent rookie Stewart and Holliday wonders why Hawpe’s not out there… and so on.
Winning, of course, would make it all moot and nobody would really be complaining publicly, but there’s hardly any guarantee a simple shift of personnel and playing time gets that done. Whoever the manager is, be it Hurdle or some other person, they’ll have to be adept at playing clubhouse politics,and I can pretty much guarantee that there will be some of those politics involved when it comes to the golden boy Stewart and his minor league buds like Smith and Reynolds vs the Gen R guys. Tulo’s a great bridge between the two groups, but the manager will need to take some of that responsibility.
Right now, of course, Hurdle probably isn’t doing as much of that as he should be, clearly favoring the vets, so I’m not saying a change of leadership isn’t warranted, I’m just not getting my hopes up that the ideal guy to fill the wants of us fans would easily be found on the fly.
You can't win either way...
but leaving things as they are seem like the worst possible action to take right now…to me. Hurdle and his staff aren’t going to suddenly figure out how to win unless something drastic happens. A new manager protects those egos, but you never know, he might make some of the moves we need to see. You don’t know until you try, right?
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Do the Monforts
really have any intention or desire to make changes in upper-management positions? I think they’d much prefer to mouth the usual and tired platitudes than take significant action or even to demand accountability from someone. I don’t think they have the stomach or, sadly, the motivation to bring in new people. Hey, guys, take a look at the standings and don’t use injuries as an excuse. This team was struggling long before last weekend.
The sad irony
is the only guys I would like to see fired (The Bros Monfort) are the only ones who in theory cannot be fired. They are, have been and always will be a joke.
by PinchHitLancePainter on May 28, 2008 1:57 PM MDT reply actions
Unfortunately
the current owners have expressed their intention to leave the team to the family’s next generation.
And they have reportedly turned down legitimate offers when the team’s value was much less than it is now.
































