Saturday Morning Rockpile:
Long rant today.
Offense: (League Average vs us)
Catcher: .265/.337/.399
Yorvit Torrealba: .223/.262/.331
First Base: .273/.361/.479
Todd Helton .279/.403/.408
Second Base: .269/.338/.415
Jonathan Herrera .250/.294/.313
Third Base: .269/.337/.443
Garrett Atkins .315/.342/.488
Shortstop: .274/.335/.401
Omar Quintanilla .254/.284/.352
Left Field: .265/.345/.444
Ryan Spilborghs .318/.405/.523
Center Field: .260/.333/.409
Willy Taveras .246/.311/.293
Right Field: .284/.355/.452
Seth Smith .280/.308/.440
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Let's start with the basics: Any position player with less than a .300 OBP has absolutely zero business seeing the bulk of playing time on a roster that plays half its games at Coors Field. It doesn't matter how good that player's defense is, they generate too many extra outs on offense to make it worth it to play them. This means Quintanilla, Herrera and Torrealba should be spending most of their time on the bench. I know injuries have forced us into the point where we'll have to use at least one of those guys at shortstop, but Stewart needs to be in at second for the time being. He's still probably costing us fewer runs on defense than his absence is costing us on offense. Of course, the most glaring miscue of the season by our manager involves the catcher. If Hurdle can't figure the Iannetta/Torrealba situation out, O'Dowd needs to get a guy who can. If O'Dowd can't figure that out, ownership needs to get a GM who can. Of course, at that point we're screwed because owners usually go out on their own terms.
Okay, let's go to that bench:
Bad:
Baker .233/.272/.356 (even with the four doubles yesterday)
so-so:
Podsednik .247/.345/.315
Good:
Iannetta .282/.354/.541
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Mediocrity at the corners
Okay, quickly, which corner has been the biggest drag on our team this season? Right field? Yeah, okay, so that was easy. Which has been the second biggest?
Ah, this is a little more tricky. As you can see above, Atkins is just a little above average at the plate for his position, Helton a little below. Defensively, Helton is still above average for his position, Atkins well below. Right now, most of the comprehensive stats have Helton as the more valuable of the two with offense and defense combined.
Without Atkins' bat, he has little value to the team and while Atkins returned to the lineup this week, his hitting hasn't, and it's costing us. When guys like Quintanilla and Baker are getting solid contact off a soft tossing lefty like Lilly while Garrett's not, it's a pretty good indicator that Atkins is still off his game.
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Pitching
We have four pitchers whose sum performance has them contributing positively to a winning 2008 right now:
- Aaron Cook
- Taylor Buchholz
- Brian Fuentes
- Matt Herges (barely)
The last couple of appearances by Herges makes it seem like we're going the wrong direction, as it looks like it's only a matter of time before we have three, but Greg Reynolds might be in the barely positive zone himself, so let's stick with four for right now.
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Our choices for what conclusions to draw:
- Good players playing badly, it's the coaches/GM's fault
- Good players playing badly, it's the players' fault
- Good players playing badly, bad luck's fault
- Bad players playing badly, coaches/GM's fault
- Bad players playing badly, ownership's fault for not spending for good players
- Average players playing badly, etc..,
The evidence that these are bad players? Look at the record. The evidence that they are good players? Look at last year's record. The evidence that they are average players? Look at the combined record of the last couple of seasons. Right now, I'm in the camp that we have four good players, Matt Holliday, Ryan Spilborghs, Taylor Buchholz and Aaron Cook. One of them's injured. We have several average(+) players, including Fuentes, Atkins, Hawpe and Helton. There are a couple of average(-) players like Podsednik and Quintanilla. We have a few bad players. Torrealba is one. Taveras is borderline. We have a bunch of players that it's too early to call, but a few who look to be at least better than average. Tulo, Iannetta, Stewart, Smith, Reynolds and Jimenez have shown promise in this regard.
Four good players is not enough to get to the postseason, especially when two of them are in the same position on the field. A team usually needs at least twice that many, usually closer to 12-13. Last season, for instance, we had Atkins, Tulo, Hawpe, Helton, Francis, Cook, Holliday, Fuentes, Corpas and Herges all perform ing safely in the "good player" category. A couple more like Matsui and Buchholz were above average and close. This season? Four good players.
If we want to regain respectability in 2008, and if we want to win in 2009, the needs are fairly simple and not difficult:
- A manager who doesn't play bad players more than good ones.
- Two more good starting pitchers.
- A solid lineup
- A deep bench and bullpen.
While I'm at it, we also need to score more runs than the opposition. No, but seriously look at the team. We have one consistent threat in the lineup right now in Ryan Spilborghs, one stingy OBP guy in Helton, a couple of possible dangers that get limited play in Smith and Stewart and a possibly still injured third baseman who hasn't been hitting like he normally does. The other four slots (five with injured Garrett) scare nobody. Our rotation, scares nobody. Our bullpen...
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People complain that O'Dowd did nothing this offseason to make the team better from the 2007 World Series run. Let's look at at the guy we probably had the bast chance to get:
Dan Haren: 5-4 3.75 ERA
Arizona's 5-6 in his appearances. Let's say that the Rockies, because our lineup and bullpen are so much better than 'Zona this season, would be 7-4 in his appearances. He'd have taken Ubaldo Jimenez's spot, as we would have had to trade U-ball to get him. The Rockies are 1-9 in Jimenez's starts (and it's been solely his fault for the losses in each...) so that generous six extra wins we'd have pocketed at this point brings the Rockies to a blistering 26-29.
Of course, I'm exaggerating. Reality says that bigger moves made this offseason would have done little or nothing to stem the bleeding we're seeing right now.
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So that takes us to right here. Our options to actually fix the team are to once again trade a bunch of prospects for a single Haren type. Trade Holliday or Atkins for a couple more pitchers who could be good, but could just flop like our other young pitchers have been. We could also replace the manager and coaches to try and stop this from happening.
Okay, so conversation starter: Who are your choices for the dozen championship caliber players -guys who should be considered close to All-Star caliber or at least top five NL- we'll need on the 2009 roster, and how do you propose getting them?
Mine:
LF: Matt Holliday
SS: Troy Tulowitzki
3B: Ian Stewart
RF: Ryan Spilborghs
C: Chris Iannetta
SP: Aaron Cook
SP: Ubaldo Jimenez
SP: some guy we get from Florida for Atkins. I'll go with Volstad, but they've got a lot to offer and nobody to cover third.
SP: Greg Reynolds
RP: Manuel Corpas
RP: Taylor Buchholz
Super bench bat: Seth Smith.
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Anyway, Glendon Rusch today, that should be exciting. Dream over.
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I don't know who we'd get...
but I know who I don’t want to see starting for us next year…
1. Towers
2. Wells
3. Rusch
4. Nomo
5. Maddux
6. The other Wells
Actually, come to think of it, that will probably be our exact starting rotation.
What about...
Dealing both Holliday and Atkins to shore up the starting pitching, and putting Smith and Spilly at the corner outfield.
I know we all love Holliday, but I feel we’d get way more this year than next year in a trade, and I assume we aren’t going to be able to sign either Atkins and Holliday.
My friend and I thought up a dream trade, Atkins or Holliday to the Mariners for Bedard/Ichiro.
Sorry for the barrage of posts...
But I think Helton would fit that trade too, as the M’s are desperate for a 1B right now.
Cheer up!
According to Clint in regards to Rusch:
“He’s had arm-side command. He’s spinning the ball a little bit, changing speeds. He’s a professional. We’ve seen him in a number of different uniforms. We saw him here, we saw him a month ago in San Diego. He’s got some veteran presence.”
A professional with veteran presence…don’t we already have one of those? There’s no way the Rox can lose with two of them on the team!
And I was so happy...
when we picked up FORMER ALL-STAR MARK REDMAN
We got a lot of Professional Veterans out there. I’m sure one will be catching the others’ pitches.
The mess
Studs for 2009 and beyond.:
Holliday, Tulo, Ian Stewart, Iannetta, Aaron Cook, Francis, UBall. Maybe Buchholz and Corpas.
Line up on August/Sept 1st 2008 after the trade deadlines.
1B Todd Helton
2B Clint Barmes
3B Ian Stewart
SS Tulo
LF Matt Holliday
CF Dexter Fowler
RF Seth Smith
C Chris Iannetta
SP Aaron Cook
SP UBall
SP Jeff Francis
SP Greg Reynolds
SP Jason Hirsh
RP (setup) Taylor Buchholtz
Closer Brian Fuentes
The players most likely traded are Atkins, Hawpe and Willy T. All three are replaceable from within the system without hurting the bench much. I think all three could be traded for mid level prospects at best.. unless packaged with high level prospects of our own.
Jeff Baker may have some value somewhere.
Torrealba, Q, Herrera and Vizcaino have no value and won’t/can’t be moved.
I would imagine a few of our own mid level prospects will be moved also.
JoKo for bullpen pitching
Juan Morillo, Jayson Nix and Sean Barker for players-to-be-named-later.
I would hope O’Dowd could find some team willing to move a top line pitcher. He would have to over pay, everyone does, but it is a dire need and he has the pieces to make it happen.
This season...Or Next ....my extended answer
Ok, so I’ve tried to answer this in a way that makes sense. What moves would I make as a GM to turn this clue around for this year? Nothing….screw this year, it’s over. Next year? That’s a different story. But, I keep coming up with blanks. I keep coming back to my one answer: Get better COACHING! And player development instructors! We need to get more out of our players/prospects. They need to be more polished, and have more confidence when they show up to the bigs. We need to get more out of the talent we have. That’s what good coaches do. The players look like they are waiting to lose. They don’t look like the game is fun. I think that is the coaching. They have NO confidence in their abilities, and like the fans are waiting for them to mess up, which becomes a self fulfilling prophecy. How does Atkins get hits with no runners on, but can’t with runners on? That’s in his head. How does Corpas lose a Slider? Little things like this are all about coaching and adjustments. Some need to happen at the big league level, and a lot needs to change in minors in the Rockies approaches to development of players.
OK…about the players, some of these Moves I do during the season, some after the season.
1) Move Hawpe.
2) Move Tavares.
3) Keep Holliday through FA year and let him walk (spend his money on the draft picks…F "sign ability" )
4) Trade Atkins unless I can get Stewart to play 2nd (see rant on coaching)
5) Move Jeff Francis (and don’t cry when good coaching and a good park straightens him out)
6) Move Brian Fuentes ASAP
Line-up for 09
1b: Helton (untradeable…sorry stuck with him)
2b: Barmes (I’d like an upgrade here please which upgrades the bench)
SS: Tulowitzki
3b: Stewart
RF: Seth Smith + Spillbourghs
CF: Fowler (?)
LF: Matt Holliday
C: Iannetta
Bench:
LH PH and Corner IF: BLANK
Utility 1: Herrera/Q/interchangeable
OF: BLANK (Pods?)
Catcher: BLANK (Bellorian?)
Rotation:
Cook
Reynolds
Jimenez
BLANK (Hirsh?)
BLANK (Morales?)
Closer: BLANK (Corpas)
Colorado Rockies: Continuing a long tradition of playing meaningless games in June!
I POSTED THIS BEFORE.....
the deal breaker for Haren was the refusal to relinquish “2B” Chris Nelson who has played as much 2B as Ian Stewart.































