Game #34: Lohse vs de la Rosa
by Rox Girl on May 8, 2008 12:00 PM MDT
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PrintSt. Louis Cardinals at Colorado Rockies, May 8, 2008 1:05 PM MDT
This is an interesting match-up to me. As our season's gotten off to a disastrous start, you've probably noticed the increased commentary that the Rockies should have spent money in the off-season on a higher quality pitcher than Wells/Towers/Redman. Lohse -him of the 66-75 career record and 4.79 ERA- and Carlos Silva were thought by many baseball observers to be the best widely available domestic option out of a severely flawed lot. Apparently that wasn't the case, as teams shied away from him and agent Scott Boras. Lohse didn't sign his one year, $4.25 million contract with the Cardinals until March 13, just two weeks before the Rockies decided to not eat the contracts of either Wells or Redman -who combined make just $150,000 less than Lohse this season- instead trading reliever Ramon Ramirez to the Royals for what turned out to be de la Rosa.
Now, I'm fine with signing players like Redman and Wells, I said as much in the offseason, and I'll say it again next winter that pitching depth never hurts and is usually needed, but there's a catch. I'm only okay with it if the team is willing and able to bail out quickly and decisively when necessary. It's clear now that Wells' contract is for far too much money to make this possible at all with him. Apparently Redman's contract is a bit easier to swallow, so we're starting a revolving AAA door in his place. Of course, the team wasn't really expecting Redman to be starting at this point heading into camp. Instead that distinction goes to the better paid and injured Wells, who flamed out with the Cards last season, and who the Rockies probably could have waited for a better deal with and in fairness, his pitching with the Rox thus far has been very solid and it's only the injury that hurts. Lohse, meanwhile, despite not signing until March 13, has gone 3-1 with the Cards thus far this season.
You know what would be great this afternoon? If somehow the table got reversed a bit. If all of the sudden that it was Cardinals fans who wished they had a guy like Ramirez to trade away in March for a stud young pitcher who just needed a change of scenery and that they hadn't waited to the last minute to fill out their rotation. Anyway, Lohse has four career starts against the Rockies, including one against Wells in our official opening game on April Fool's Day, and in not one of those starts has he given up more than three runs. Let's change that this afternoon.
Go Rockies!
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We did get 4 on him from one swing,,,
in the playoffs though haha (even though only 1 of them was his)
De La Rosa
Hoping he can be a just a biiiit more effective today. I missed his debut, but the statline suggests that I might have fared just as well throwing nothing but eephus pitches up there…
I like the lineup,
Lefty heavy helped us in the NLDS, hopefully it helps us today. Iannetta’s even starting the day after a night game. You can say this much, once Hurdle’s in on something, he’s in all the way.
I'm shocked...
and stoked that CI is starting. I’m not a Yorvit hater, but I love that production is getting rewarded.
I guess the only lefty heavy part of it is Pods
It’s actually Hurdle going with his best hitters in 2008 so far. Spilly over Hawpe, Pods over Willy T, Iannetta over Yorvit and Q over Herrera.
Dont forget
Jeff Baker. Hurdle certainly has. Baker hasn’t hit, but hasn’t played regularly either. and if he’s not going to play I would rather the Rockies DFA and bring up a left handed PH type for the bench.
2nd base....anyone? Who hasn't played there yet? Holliday @ 2nd...Spillbourghs in LF
I've been meaning to bring this up.
Really, Baker hasn’t hit since his late season 2006 run after his call-up. And not hitting is sort of an understatement, as he’s been pretty terrible with the bat. I think this is where the team needs to bring in Stewart and just find AB’s for him and it will actually help both out in the long run. Stew will get a better feel for MLB pitching, and the team will actually have a full complement of bench players rather than the eleven and a half sort of thing they have going right now.
Jeff’s hit his way out of any trade value, so the DFA would be our only option, but I think we really need to go that direction at this point. At the very least call up Smith, I guess, but Ian would help the team more, and I really don’t think he needs much more if any development time in AAA.
I was thinking Smith
but Stewart getting exposure and with out any pressure, might be a good idea. I know it will be hard to get regular at bats, and PH is different than playing everyday, but it might work.
I was actually hoping the Rockies would go for Greg Norton when the Mariners DFA’d him last week (traded to the Braves) as a bench PH (Norton still make his home here in the Denver area)
2nd base....anyone? Who hasn't played there yet? Holliday @ 2nd...Spillbourghs in LF
Yay! Iannetta is starting again!
And in a daygame after a night game… amazing.
I’ll be working on a paper during the game, but luckily I get to watch this one on a giant flat-screen TV instead of the normal laptop screen.
I was going to go to the game
then saw all the rain….and it’s just a little cool to sit out side. Might as well save a couple bucks, and try to get some work done.
2nd base....anyone? Who hasn't played there yet? Holliday @ 2nd...Spillbourghs in LF
Weather
looking out the office window, it looks pretty awful up here in noco. Jeff said it is dry down there.
I wonder if iannetta just going to start untill his hot streak runs out or if he is the everyday catcher now ?
Radar
shows a line that went through down town…..but there are scattered showers around Boulder and to the west, that could waltz into the game.
It rained hard here in Parker, but is clear out here at the moment.
2nd base....anyone? Who hasn't played there yet? Holliday @ 2nd...Spillbourghs in LF
Might be able to
catch the end of this game, but right now I have . . . more important thing to do?
"Don't give up the ship!" - Capt. James Lawrence
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We've switched
The Rockies’ starting pitcher with an effective starter. Let’s see how long it takes for them to notice.
Nice first from De La Rosa.
I've been in this game a hundred years, but I see new ways to lose I never knew existed before. - Casey Stengel
Something's not right here
I’m not tasting the usual bitterness I get from my normal starting pitchers.
123
first for DLR! He looks a lot more relaxed then last game.
2nd base....anyone? Who hasn't played there yet? Holliday @ 2nd...Spillbourghs in LF
Wow
I look up from writing, and DLR has retired the first three batters? What the hell just happened?
yea i had to scrub my eyes
and make sure i was awake
by TuLoRocks2008 on May 8, 2008 1:11 PM MDT up reply actions
Helton
SMOKED that ball.
I've been in this game a hundred years, but I see new ways to lose I never knew existed before. - Casey Stengel
not again
we missed what, 3 of those last year?
Upon 5 viewings
looks like an impossible bounce, but the right call. Bizarre. Need a hit from GA to square us for that one…
Yeah, it should be two to nothing...
But I’ll leave the whining about missed calls to other teams fans. Not bringing up anybody in particular.
I'll trade 3 missed hr calls
for what went down in game 163 last year
Wow
What is the ruling on that? Looks like it could go either way.
This is where
we need to put up a crooked number. Too many innings like this so far this season have ended without bringing these guys around.
Lohse all over the place with his fastball
But that was a nasty slider he threw for strike one, to Chris.
CI!
Coming through!
I've been in this game a hundred years, but I see new ways to lose I never knew existed before. - Casey Stengel
BOOM
all unearned, but still good to see. This is the kind of stuff they were ALWAYS doing down the stretch last year. Fun to watch.
Lohse's ERA isn't taking the hit it should be.
Such a stupid rule that makes a stupid stat that messes up pitcher evaluations so often.
Barmes
Made that one fair. Works for me.
I've been in this game a hundred years, but I see new ways to lose I never knew existed before. - Casey Stengel
Whats this?
the rox got a lead after teh first inning? not possible. Enjoyable to watch offensive production every once and a while
Error to hit
all runs were earned. That a boy dave platti ( offical scorer, and CU Sports information director) good call to change the call
Jorge
please let’s not give them back.
I've been in this game a hundred years, but I see new ways to lose I never knew existed before. - Casey Stengel
I was already a Spilborgs fan
Now I’m a groupie.
Crap
I thought this game started at 3:30. Looks like I missed some good stuff.
Dodgers?
De La Rosa doesn’t look that bad out here, one pitch notwithstanding. What was his problem against LA?
Maybe just jitters,
He had been moved around a lot and asked to come in quickly as our starter to save us that day. He definitely seems to be settling into a groove here. I love how quickly he works.
Nice recovery, D.
Now we have a pitcher who didn’t let one mistake get to him? What could possibly be next?
OT for a game thread
But I’m really excited to see the debut of Greg “Obi-Wan Kenobi” Reynolds on Sunday.
Every day is a Holliday!
Way to finish off Lohse,
when it went to seven pitches against the opposing pitcher, I had flashbacks of U-ball’s start
Nice
Coming back from 3 and 0 to get the K.
I like our new blend.
I've been in this game a hundred years, but I see new ways to lose I never knew existed before. - Casey Stengel
Spanish, I think
;)
I've been in this game a hundred years, but I see new ways to lose I never knew existed before. - Casey Stengel
I think six of his nine outs have been off the changeup,
He’s definitely using that a lot more than he did against LA. Nice game being called by Iannetta so far.
bottom of the line up
finally doing something. Wondering if it has anything to do with Torreabla not playing anymore. Nah couldn’t be that!
Ump's got a tight zone,
Lohse is having a harder time getting inside of it than DLR so far. Come on, let’s just get Atkins home, DLR.
We just got a GIFT.
I've been in this game a hundred years, but I see new ways to lose I never knew existed before. - Casey Stengel
I'm so glad
I looked at the sky and cool wind, and didn’t go to this game. Looks like a terrible place to be.
/sarcasm
2nd base....anyone? Who hasn't played there yet? Holliday @ 2nd...Spillbourghs in LF
Pods K's, looking
The three called strikes were all fastballs in the exact same spot according to Gameday. Zero for three so far, I hope this isn’t a sign he’s falling back to his WS level of play.
he played
in the college world series? I had no idea
by cocainelips99 on May 8, 2008 2:15 PM MDT up reply actions
Pods
um, perhaps take a cut at that one next time. Not sure what else to say…
Pujols
Its nice to have kept him in check so far this series (knocking on wood right now)
Umm ...
He won game 1 with a 9th inning double & baserunning play, as I recall.
But if you mean keep him in the yard, you’re right.
There is a bright side to the '08 season.
Barry Bonds & Roger Clemens are out of baseball.
Yea
but only 1 rbi and 3 hits – he usually kills us at coors – and limiting his production is all you can ask for
by midwest roxfan on May 8, 2008 2:29 PM MDT up reply actions
De la Rosa
looking good today. This was pretty much his M.O. last season: one start where he looks completely lost, followed by one where he looks brilliant.
50% quality isn't bad for a fifth starter
So long as the guys ahead of him are doing better than that. It’s if he’s worse than that when we should worry. Let’s hope maturity helps him get it up to maybe 55% good starts this year.
Not quite 50 percent
de la Rosa’s game scores from 2007: 67, 35, 44, 73, 39, 64, 20, 68, 55, 10, 30, 69, 39, 13, 23, 52, 49, 55, 44, 20, 59, 35, 29. That’s nine starts (out of 23) with a game score above 50.
Q's at .348 since being called up
and that includes some hard-hit “tough outs.” It’s a small sample, I know, but the offense has actually picked up quite a bit at SS and 2B since Tulo (‘08 verson) & Nix were replaced.
There is a bright side to the '08 season.
Barry Bonds & Roger Clemens are out of baseball.
I mentioned this on the Purple Row fantasy league's message board
But I said it wouldn’t surprise me if Q made a really solid showing for us. He’s always been a decent player and he’s at his peak age career-wise. I’m glad he’s proving me right so far.
might be starting in on
a monster run here. POM for May is my bet
by cocainelips99 on May 8, 2008 2:17 PM MDT up reply actions
Another threat...
We’ve cashed in at least a little in our two RISP situations so far, let’s make it three for three.
Bases loaded
Awesome, we picked the day when Kyle Lohse goes back to being Kyle Lohse rather than Super Kyle Lohse.
Lohse vs. DLR
who is the bigger bargain?
Nice start by our new SP! 1st game I’ll spot him as he was very nervous, new team, new stadium, excited about being there….
2nd base....anyone? Who hasn't played there yet? Holliday @ 2nd...Spillbourghs in LF
Over a full season
I’d bet their numbers aren’t too different. Which would make DLR the bigger bargain.
There is a bright side to the '08 season.
Barry Bonds & Roger Clemens are out of baseball.
THAT
was close!
I love Atty!
2nd base....anyone? Who hasn't played there yet? Holliday @ 2nd...Spillbourghs in LF
another sac works
They look like professional hitters today.
There is a bright side to the '08 season.
Barry Bonds & Roger Clemens are out of baseball.
TACOS!
greatest promotion ever!!!!
2nd base....anyone? Who hasn't played there yet? Holliday @ 2nd...Spillbourghs in LF
............
u beat me to it. HECK YES!..... Is the taco bell you go to slower then heck with this promotion? one hour to get 4 tacos the other day
Really? I went Sunday,
to one, and it was normal. Only 2 orders ahead of me. One was a 4 tacos for $1 guy too.
2nd base....anyone? Who hasn't played there yet? Holliday @ 2nd...Spillbourghs in LF
Fort Collins TB
Is insane. line out the door. 3 people working. there is a group of senior citizens that are they every time. i guess every college kid is there getting his/ hers
AWW poor college kids
makes sense. I was at the one at Parker Rd, and Arapaho
2nd base....anyone? Who hasn't played there yet? Holliday @ 2nd...Spillbourghs in LF
Back in high school
There wasn’t anything on that corner, besides regis high school. the soccer fields and the king soopers shopping center was starting. Now everything has blown up!
Building another
big shopping area on the SW corner now.
And I like the Chinese Theater there. (Iron Man was great!)
2nd base....anyone? Who hasn't played there yet? Holliday @ 2nd...Spillbourghs in LF
True
I was down there a few weeks ago and saw that the soccer field were gone. applied at the movie theater back in high school.
Where has this team been?
good pitching, Hitting with RISP, moving runners up and making productive outs…....
what a concept
2nd base....anyone? Who hasn't played there yet? Holliday @ 2nd...Spillbourghs in LF
Common DLP
don’t hang em like that….you are lucky it was foul
2nd base....anyone? Who hasn't played there yet? Holliday @ 2nd...Spillbourghs in LF
I don't want to jinx this
but we could actually NOT lose a series! AND…..Winning Streak! (ok it’s only 2 games, but that qualifies as a winning streak)
and Tacos from taco bell tomorrow
2nd base....anyone? Who hasn't played there yet? Holliday @ 2nd...Spillbourghs in LF
Braves 5, Padthetics 4
Game-winning run in the bottom of 9th.
Isn’t it great to be safely out of the cellar?
There is a bright side to the '08 season.
Barry Bonds & Roger Clemens are out of baseball.
giants blew game late also
hopefully can tie em up for 3rd in a few hours
by TuLoRocks2008 on May 8, 2008 2:33 PM MDT up reply actions
do not walk
Cesar Izturis with a 6-run lead. The baseball gods will punish you.
There is a bright side to the '08 season.
Barry Bonds & Roger Clemens are out of baseball.
Okay, a little shaky there in the fifth,
but DLR got through it, does he have enough in him for one more inning against the top of the Cards lineup?
was thinking the same thing
Hurdle seems to let his pitcher in too long when they lose it.
2nd base....anyone? Who hasn't played there yet? Holliday @ 2nd...Spillbourghs in LF
Thanks, Cesar
Larussa’s gotta be watching Barmes & Q today, knowing the Rockies have Tulo in the wings, and thinking, “What would I give for a SS who could hit?”
I’d like to know what they WOULD give.
There is a bright side to the '08 season.
Barry Bonds & Roger Clemens are out of baseball.
It's definitely a worthy question...
With lots of intriguing possibilities…
I too would like to know what they would give.
That would be a lot of $$$
for a half-season of who knows what at this point.
Mulder was supposed to come back, too, but he didn’t survive rehab.
There is a bright side to the '08 season.
Barry Bonds & Roger Clemens are out of baseball.
BB, BB, infield single, double
Snakes up 5-1 on Phils. Yuck.
There is a bright side to the '08 season.
Barry Bonds & Roger Clemens are out of baseball.
Focus
Thinking we need to focus on 9 games under .500. Once that problem is solved, then start looking at AZ
I thought
the score would be the other way around when I tuned in.
"Don't give up the ship!" - Capt. James Lawrence
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De la Rosa's velocity is fine still,
A bloop single to Schumaker and Pujols takes a solid slider for a long single. Let’s get a DP to get out of this.
Round of applause
for de la Rosa.
"Don't give up the ship!" - Capt. James Lawrence
Purple Row - Covering all your Rockies needs!
Gamecast
said Yadier was hitting .421 for the month. Don’t need that.
There is a bright side to the '08 season.
Barry Bonds & Roger Clemens are out of baseball.
Corpas gets the out.
Small steps, small steps.
"Don't give up the ship!" - Capt. James Lawrence
Purple Row - Covering all your Rockies needs!
OMAR!
go go go Another Double!
2nd base....anyone? Who hasn't played there yet? Holliday @ 2nd...Spillbourghs in LF
Q with a double!
5 doubles over his last 6 games, nice.
"Don't give up the ship!" - Capt. James Lawrence
Purple Row - Covering all your Rockies needs!
Kazuo who?
There is a bright side to the '08 season.
Barry Bonds & Roger Clemens are out of baseball.
Parisi's a Long Island.
That explains quite a bit.
"Don't give up the ship!" - Capt. James Lawrence
Purple Row - Covering all your Rockies needs!
from LI.*
"Don't give up the ship!" - Capt. James Lawrence
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That was
a nice catch by Iannetta to end the inning.
"Don't give up the ship!" - Capt. James Lawrence
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Your turn, Todd.
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Off the top of the wall!
Atkins is great!
"Don't give up the ship!" - Capt. James Lawrence
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Rockies win!
Two in a row!
"Don't give up the ship!" - Capt. James Lawrence
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Allright
lets not leave these bats at Coors as we visit the park where offense goes to die.
PETCO beckons...
As we try and put some distance between us and the battle for last place in the NL West. A sweep in San Diego from either team could all but kill the other for good in the middle of May. That’s a little pressure.
It helps that the Padres have been just as underwhelming,
and that the Giants, well, okay they’re actually playing over their heads by only being this terrible.
Needless to say, I am stunned
But yet also thrilled. When I checked the score, I had a good old-fashioned gigglefreakout.
We're all going to die!
Yay!
That is VERY heartening to see. I really like Iannetta starting all the time…even if he only had one hit, he comes up with RBIs daily. I really hope that the starting job is now his to lose.
Let’s hope that the Rockies continue to improve and keep winning. Maybe a taste of it is all they need to get them going. Spilly had a good quote in the wrap up for last night’s game: he said no one can believe they are this bad, and that game gave them a wake up call. Now they can start to actually play like they’re supposed to…maybe Spilly is the leader we’re looking for? :) I really hope to see a REAL winning streak!!
www.notthisday.com ....coming September 26th and 27th at the Pinnacle Event Center, Denver.
I hate off days and afternoon games
I get so BORED at night. The Rockies may be horrible, but watching games is at least something to do.
www.notthisday.com ....coming September 26th and 27th at the Pinnacle Event Center, Denver.
It's a Winning STREAK !!!!!!!
ok, it’s only 2 games. But it was a well played game on the Rockies side. Haven’t seen too many of those lately. They seemed, relaxed.
I don’t want to read too much into just 2 games, but I wonder if Wednesday night come back win from a terrible, lifeless start of that game, might be the spark.
And why do I think Spillbourghs is now the leader of this team with Tulo out?
2nd base....anyone? Who hasn't played there yet? Holliday @ 2nd...Spillbourghs in LF
Exactly my thought.
www.notthisday.com ....coming September 26th and 27th at the Pinnacle Event Center, Denver.
I think you've got to give Matt credit for being a leader today...
Probably yesterday, too, he seems to have taken his game up a notch, but it’s between him and Spilly for sure.
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