Wednesday Morning Rockpile: Not all hot streaks are the same
Brief mentions in each Denver paper's beat reporters' notes of current hitting streaks by Rockies caught my attention this morning. From the Post :
Finally heating up, Yorvit Torrealba doubled for the third straight game and has hit safely in seven of his last eight games.
And from Ringolsby's recap in the News:
With a third-inning single, Todd Helton extended his hitting streak to 10 games, his second 10-game streak of the season. He is one of seven players to have two double-figure hitting streaks this season. Third baseman Garrett Atkins is one of the others, having had streaks of 14 games and 12 games
Consecutive game hitting streaks are probably among the most misleading stats in baseball. This used to drive me crazy with Aaron Miles, when reporters -and our manager- would focus on the single hashmark he'd have in the hit column day after day rather than the piles of outs he was accumulating. In the two cases above, there's a good contrast between a player having a legitimate hot streak and another just going along as he usually does, only with the benefit of that consistent "1" in the hit column to make him look more productive. It's simple to see, just look at their AVG/OBP/SLG lines over their streaks and compare them to the full season numbers.
For Torrealba, over the eight games that Renck's notes mention, he's hitting .241/.250/.345, that's a whopping OPS of .595. His full season line is .227/.268/.348, which means this "heating up" has actually lowered his on base and slugging percentages. Clearly this is some sort of math trickery perpetrated by Jhouys Chacin, but it looks like the only thing really heating up with Yorvit is his temper, which itself might not be a bad thing. By the way, our other catcher, who really has been cooling down over his last eight games, has a line of .238/.304/.571 in them. I'll take CDI's passionless production over Yorvit's fiery out-making any day of the week, thank you.
Heating up at the plate would be something like Helton, who over his ten game hit streak is hitting .387/.524/.645, mostly on the road, compared to a full season line of .292/.421/.429. Every time we seem ready to write the old guy off, he kicks into gear, so maybe we should just say he's finished and out of place in the offense more often.
Alright, it was beautiful to see an effective start by Francis last night, but let's not jump the gun and say he's solved all his problems based on one outing. His last start at Dodger Stadium in April was just about as effective as this one, so unless he starts reeling off performances like last night's outside of LA, I'm still concerned about issues such as those brought up here.
It's interesting to read Dodger fan accounts of what instigated last night's brawl. Apparently, Yorvit was supposed to say "Pardon me, Mr. Kemp, but you're in my way of doing my job, and while I really appreciate how you've stepped on my face, I kind of need the paycheck." and we'd all be good. Glad that's cleared up.
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Dodger Fan Reaction
How are Dodger fans qualified to have a reaction to the “fight”? By the top of the 8th they’ve stopped watching the game right?
by CeeDub on Jun 4, 2008 10:52 AM MDT 0 recs
Torrealba
I watched the video a couple of times, and I have no idea why Kemp has a problem with Torrealba’s actions – any contact seemed pretty mininimal – Yorvit seemed to be completely focused on the ball. The catcher has the right of way (see rule 7.09(i) below) in these situations (just as any fielder has the right to field a ball in the baseline)
Would a Torrealba suspension be the worst thing in the world? It would pretty much force Hurdle to give playing time to Iannetta.
Yorvit definitely won the fight, though. Wow.
(i) He fails to avoid a fielder who is attempting to field a batted ball, or intentionally interferes with a thrown ball, provided that if two or more fielders attempt to field a batted ball, and the runner comes in contact with one or more of them, the umpire shall determine which fielder is entitled to the benefit of this rule, and shall not declare the runner out for coming in contact with a fielder other than the one the umpire determines to be entitled to field such a ball;
Rule 7.09(i) Comment: When a catcher and batter-runner going to first base have contact when the catcher is fielding the ball, there is generally no violation and nothing should be called. "Obstruction" by a fielder attempting to field a ball should be called only in very flagrant and violent cases because the rules give him the right of way, but of course such "right of way" is not a license to, for example, intentionally trip a runner even though fielding the ball. If the catcher is fielding the ball and the first baseman or pitcher obstructs a runner going to first base "obstruction" shall be called and the base runner awarded first base.
by kosmo99 on
Jun 4, 2008 12:23 PM MDT
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Torrealba is HEATING UP
Damn it! This raises his trade value from a 6 pack to a 12 pack…..so he’s heating up!
If every sales pitch were true we wouldn’t get any emails about how we won some obscure lottery in Europe.
Colorado Rockies: Continuing a long tradition of playing meaningless games in June!
by Redhawk on Jun 4, 2008 11:10 AM MDT 0 recs
Wow, Bucky CAN do everything
At least according to MLB.com video, which informed me that “Buckholz” hit a home run, rather than Iannetta.
We are all dead.
by Silverblood on Jun 4, 2008 11:31 AM MDT 0 recs
Who is
the Rockies All-Star representative this year? Holliday might not deserve it, depending on when he comes back and how healthy he is.
by rosenthal on Jun 4, 2008 11:54 AM MDT 0 recs
Hurdle
fills the bench, right? I think you can lock in Cook and Holliday barring some sort of monumental collapse by either, and I wouldn’t be shocked to see CH give Helton an honorary spot.
by Teekalong on
Jun 4, 2008 12:43 PM MDT
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Francis pitched well..
The professor was spotting his fastball last night, working backwards in the count. I didn’t turn on the game until the 5th inning when I had come home from work, but Francis appeared to be starting hitters with the change and then going to the curve before spotting the fastball away. His fastball never hit higher than 86 and was closer to 84 later in the game.
“What does Iannetta have to do to start at catcher?” I wish one of the reporters would ask Hurdle this question after a game.
Somebody stole my Rocktober!!
by Charlie77 on Jun 4, 2008 12:02 PM MDT 0 recs
I think
it was a lot more about a bad Dodger offense than some sort of Francis turnaround. That stuff was not crisp at all.
by Teekalong on
Jun 4, 2008 12:44 PM MDT
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I would disagree
w/ that assesment. No doubt the Dodgers are not hitting, but I think Francis looked better than he as at any time this year. He was throwing a lot more strikes, hitting the glove repeatedly (especially on the outside corner), and throwing inside more. I thought he threw 3 pitches for strikes last night, and his curve had a lot of bite. I am not saying he would have shut out the Phillies or Cubs last night, but he would have been able to keep a lot of lineups down w/ what he was throwing last night.
by smokinRox on
Jun 4, 2008 12:59 PM MDT
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I don't know
I wasn’t scouting the game or anything, but it seemed that the Dodgers were just hitting it at guys for the most part. But I do not agree at all on the curve, that was flat and unimpressive—and an 84 mph fastball? Whatever, all that matters is results.
by Teekalong on
Jun 4, 2008 1:08 PM MDT
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Hurdlelogic
“Smith has always hit everywhere ” “a lot depends on his ability to hit lefthanders” but I’ll pinch hit for him against leftys and not start him against leftys so that will give me a good idea and the same for Stewart.
by DieHardRox on Jun 4, 2008 12:26 PM MDT 0 recs
Dodger Thoughts account of fight
You write: “It’s interesting to read Dodger fan accounts of what instigated last night’s brawl. Apparently, Yorvit was supposed to say “Pardon me, Mr. Kemp, but you’re in my way of doing my job, and while I really appreciate how you’ve stepped on my face, I kind of need the paycheck.” and we’d all be good. Glad that’s cleared up.”
What’s interesting is that bears no resemblance to anything I wrote. Did I really write anything that suggests I was placing undue blame on Yorvit for the fight as opposed to Kemp?
Kemp called his own actions stupid. Do you really need more validation than that?
by JonWeisman on Jun 4, 2008 9:08 PM MDT 0 recs
Sorry Jon,
I sort of Bissingered the thing and by “Dodger fans”, I wasn’t referring to your post so much as I was referring to comments from your readership. I should have made that more clear.
by Rox Girl on
Jun 5, 2008 4:40 AM MDT
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It happens ...
Thanks – appreciate it. Even a good chunk of the readership was calling out Kemp for the fight.
by JonWeisman on Jun 5, 2008 12:23 PM MDT 0 recs










