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Could the Rockies get Bedard?

The 2008 trade deadline is quickly approaching.  The Brewers and Cubs have already made major deals to improve their pitching staffs.  The Rockies are 7.5 games out of first place as of the time of this post.  That seems like a lot, but the division-leading D-backs have a mediocre winning percentage of .500, the worst of all six division leaders.  As an optimist, I'd like to see my Rockies be proactive, get better via trade(s), and make a run at the division title.

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21553_medium (via images.sportsline.com) A lot of teams appear to be interested in Brian Fuentes.  Every contending team could use bullpen help, especially if it's a veteran LHP.  In all likelihood, Fuentes will not be wearing purple pinstripes after the deadline.  Personally, I'm fine with this as long as it's a fair deal for the Rockies.

292019_medium(via images.sportsline.com) However, a few other rumors have really peaked my interest.  The Seattle Mariners appear to be interested in Rockies CF Willy Taveras.  According to an MLB.com article, the M's looked into Taveras before the Rockies acquired him in the Jason Jennings deal. 

288939_medium(via images.sportsline.com) Though the Mariners have several potential trade chips, most rumors have centered on Erik Bedard.  With C.C. Sabathia, Rich Harden and Chad Gaudin already dealt, Bedard appears to be the next best starter that can be acquired, even though he is currently on the DL.  The Philadelphia Phillies, in a tight division race of their own, appear to be the front runner for Bedard at the moment.

Could the Rockies end up trading for Bedard?  A lot of questions about such a deal come to my mind, so it might be a long shot.  Still, it could end up being a legitimate trade possibility as well.

The Mariners acquired Bedard from the Orioles in exchange for five prospects ... at least they were called prospects at the time the deal was made.  LHP George Sherrill has developed into a fine closer for the O's.  Adam Jones, the Mariner's top OF prospect at the time, was the other main trade chip. 

Initially I see that the Mariners gave up (primarily) a LHP reliever and a young OF to get Bedard.  The Rockies have a LHP reliever and a young OF in Fuentes and Taveras.  A two-for-one deal seems like a good possibility for me.  Both Fuentes and Tavares have proven that they can play at a major league level, so perhaps the Rockies won't need two throw in three additional minor league prospects.

I think this deal would be great for the Rockies if they could pull it off.  The bullpen would take a hit in losing Fuentes, but the starting staff would receive a much needed boost in gaining Bedard. 

Taveras is also a good CF who currently leads the majors in stolen bases.  However, the Rockies can afford to part with Willy T.  Ryan Spilborghs (when he gets healthy) and Scott Podsednik can share the CF position in Taveras's absence.  Beyond those two, Corey Sullivan can always step in as a solid replacement, and Dexter Fowler lurks as the long-term plan for CF-of-the-future.  The Rockies clearly have the OF depth to be able to trade Taveras.

In order to have any shot at the division, the Rockies must upgrade their rotation.  Sixty percent of their starting staff is currently comprised of Mark Redman, Jorge De La Rosa, and Glendon Rusch.  It would be a miracle for such a staff to win the division (this miracle would necessarily have to include Jeff Francis, Kip Wells, Franklin Morales, and/or Rodrigo Lopez getting healthy and/or regaining their past form) .  More and more it looks like the Rockies need to either make a move or give up on 2008 altogether.

Still, several (perhaps too many) questions come to mind when I think about a Fuentes-and-Taveras-for-Bedard deal.  At 7.5 games out, would Dealin' Dan be willing to make such a big move?  Would the Brothers Monfort consider Erik Bedard too pricey?  Would the Rockies be giving up too much in a deal like this?  Could they be giving up too little?  Would the Rockies get a better deal by trading Fuentes to a contending team?  How serious--heaven forbid--is Spilly's injury anyway?

The optimist inside my head tells me that the season is not lost, at least not if the Rockies are willing to make the right moves.

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everyone else’s thoughts, especially if any Mariners fans read this.

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by PioneerSkies on Jul 10, 2008 11:41 PM MDT   0 recs

Not happening

The Mariners would be looking for prospects right now. Young controllable players… and Fuentes and Taveras are neither young nor controllable. Fuentes is a free agent after the season and I believe Willy is as well.

I think the price would start with Morales, and goes up from there.

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by MattTheRock on Jul 11, 2008 12:57 AM MDT   0 recs

I mentioned this idea in the game thread yesterday (Thursday)

I think Bedard would be a good fit. He’s a solid #3 type plus pitcher when healthy. He’s in a walk year himself. The M’s want something in return….just anything. They really need hitters. Corner OF, 1stbase, and than a CF. The Rockies have extra of all of these. I think this could be done for a one for one IF the player is controllable. I could see Joe Koshanski for Bedard, or Hawpe/Seth Smith for Bedard would also work.. Either would help the M’s, and not hurt the Rockies at all, as they are extras.

If Fuentes was involved, it would be for the M’s to trade him, OR it could be a three team deal. The M’s don’t need Fuentes for the rest of the year, but many contenders do.

Thought Clint Hurdle should be fired before it was cool.

by Redhawk on Jul 11, 2008 7:11 AM MDT   0 recs

The durability issue

would keep me away from Bedard. He’s currently on the DL and he’s only lasted 6 innings once, since June 3.

by 4thturn on Jul 11, 2008 7:46 AM MDT   0 recs

Seriously guys?

You think Bedard is that cheap?

Koshanksy has less value than Ryan Shealy did when he left, since Ryan Shealy actually had solid ML numbers at that point. Shealy got a struggling lefty and an inconsistent righty, Bedard is considered a Cy Young candidate in most seasons. A deal with Koshansky may net a player like Mark Lowe, not Erik Bedard.

How would a Koshansky or Hawpe or Smith for Bedard even swap recoup the value of even draft compensation for the M’s.

Bedard did not get dealt for just a left fielder and a lefty reliever. They also dealt a right hander that is on the shortlist for minors best pitching prospect in Chris Tillman. Tillman just turned twenty and has flashed dominance in Double A. Of all the regretable pieces moves by the M’s this one takes the case. The M’s have to get back something comparable to justify a deal, so…

A Bedard deal would require one of the following:

Dexter Fowler, Ian Stewart, Jhoulys Chacin.

In addition to those two, the Mariners would likely recquire a player from this list as well:

Greg Reynolds, Casey Weathers, Aneury Rodriguez

the player depending on which of the first list is taken. Lastly, there has to be some semblanceof quantityto the deal, so expect one of the following to be added as well:

Eric Young Jr., Everth Cabrera, Joe Koshansky, Juan Morillo, etc.

Basically, Bedard will cost roughly an A,B, and C, perhaps they would settle for two B’s and a C.

Bottom line, any Bedard trade has to include some of the future, or it makes no sense for Seattle. Is that worth it for a team 16 games under .500?

by David OhNo on Jul 11, 2008 9:00 AM MDT   0 recs

For 1/2 a year?

If this was the start of the season I’d agree with you. But we are 1/2 way through, Bedard has been hurt, so his value is down from when the M’s bought in. I think 2 major leaguers or close to it players would cut it great. Seattle would love a Hawpe for Bedard trade, straight across. As I see Seth Smith being fairly equal to Hawpe minus the major league experience and younger so I can see Smith straight across.. We might have to throw in a C type, a Matt Miller or a Koshanski type, but those are extra players for this system. Now is this worth more than 2 picks? yeah, cause they could help Seattle next year, though I could see the argument maybe for the 2 picks. As you pointed out, yourself, the higher up a player is the more value they have over a pick cause you know what you are going to get from a player. Now would losing Seth Smith and Koshanski hurt the Rockies at all next year? Seriously. Want to throw in one of your AA middle infielders that might not hit in the bigs? fine, we have extras of those too.

Bedard isn’t Sabathia. Could St. Louis or Philadephia or some one like that, offer more and over pay in prospects? maybe, but I don’t think teams are buying rentals like they have in the past. Prospects have become too valuable.

Thought Clint Hurdle should be fired before it was cool.

by Redhawk on Jul 11, 2008 10:52 AM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Matt Miller is an organizational soldier

not a prospect. He’s been in Tulsa for three years, and he’s 25 going on 26, with no power. This isn’t something anybody wants for a potential ace.

Seth Smith isn’t the guy either. He’s a fourth outfielder who’s peaked, and is about to turn 26 himself.

You are thinking that Seattle will deal Bedard for spare parts, and that ain’t happening. People here want Hawpe gone, so why does he suddenly become attractive for Seattle?

Lastly, Seattle just cleaned house and are looking to start over, meaning they want prospects, not major leaguers about to enter their post peak. The new group in Seattle isn’t looking to simply cast off Bedard. He will be moved to help regenerate the talent in the organization, and somebody else will help do that. The opener in talks with Philly was Carlos Carrasco, how does Hawpe or Koshansky even come close to that chip?

by David OhNo on Jul 11, 2008 12:11 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

One last thing

Bedard ain’t a free agent until the end of the ‘09 season, so let’s not pretend this is a rental anymore.

This can’t be done without one A or two B’s, period.

by David OhNo on Jul 11, 2008 12:22 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

HUH? are you sure about that?

cause that changed the equation. I thought/think he’s a FA after this year.

If you are right…then “never mind”

Thought Clint Hurdle should be fired before it was cool.

by Redhawk on Jul 11, 2008 12:30 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

4.17 years of service, entering this year

reports all over MLB Trade Rumors say as much as well.

by David OhNo on Jul 11, 2008 12:35 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

No you are right

he’s signed through next year. I found that in a Seattle Times report when the M’s got him. So..yeah, it will take a lot to get Bedard. More than a guy with a sore shoulder and heading to FA in a year should command.

1/2 year, for the Roxs to become contenders for a run this year….all for losing a few extra pieces. But not for any A prospect. , that’s not the Rockies make up

Thought Clint Hurdle should be fired before it was cool.

by Redhawk on Jul 11, 2008 5:41 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Willy T ?

I believe it was the Marlins, not the Mariners, that inquired about Willy. I re-read the MLB.com article to be sure.

by TexasHeater on Jul 11, 2008 3:07 PM MDT   0 recs

you're right

I’m a moron

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by PioneerSkies on Jul 13, 2008 8:14 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Injured..

We need another injured pitcher like we need a hole in the head.

by roxhead on Jul 12, 2008 12:32 AM MDT   0 recs

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