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"Ten good reasons for the Rox to deal Holliday"

by William Gum, Dugout Central (FSN)

Not buying into many of them.

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Actually, I’m buying most of them—although, I don’t really believe in the clutch hitting argument.

I’m not convinced that he has to be dealt now (nor did I see that in the article), but I think he will need to be dealt some day. If the Rockies could get a Teixeira-like deal, I’d do it. The Rockies can’t afford to lock up that much salary for that long of time on one player. Let’s face it, Holliday would have to give up a lot of money and years on his contract to stay in Denver and that may be asking too much.

by DenverBears on Jul 11, 2008 2:41 PM MDT   0 recs

My biggest concern
4. Length of contract. Look no further then our very own Todd Helton to see how locking up a player like Holliday to say, an 8 year contract (which I am fairly certain he can get on the open market) can cripple you when his peak is over and he is on the decline. I do not want to see Holliday getting $18 million a year 6 years from now when he will be 34 years old and on the downside of his career.

Like the article mentions, the Rockies simply cannot afford to eat Holliday’s soon to be gigantic salary when he inevitably stops producing like he does for us now 4 to 5 years down the road like the Red Sox or Yankees could.

Also, I just don’t think LF is an important enough position to pay big bucks to long term no matter how productive Holliday is at the plate. It’s been proven throughout history that pitching and defense is what ultimately wins in the game of baseball. If I were the Rockies I’d only consider throwing that kind of money at elite starting pitching, elite shortstops, elite center fielders, or elite catchers and even then we probably could not afford to do so with the budget we are working with.

I would love to keep Holliday around as much as the next Rockies fan, unfortunately salary constraints are not going to allow us to do so if we want to field a well-rounded, competitive team. The Rockies goal has to become how to make the team better without Holliday and an enormous part of that is obviously the kind of package they can land for Holliday.

by RyanBuff on Jul 11, 2008 3:08 PM MDT   0 recs

Pretty much agree with that

I pretty much agree with all your points. The way I see it, we can really only carry one super-star (ie: $20M/yr) salary on our club, and LF is just not the position to do this. Where I disagree is spending on an elite starting pitcher. Starting pitchers are just too much of a risk. At least with Holiday, you’d be pretty certain he could take the field 6 years from now. For every Maddux out there who has a long, effective, mostly injury free career…. There seems to be a dozen Mike Hamptons. As I recall, at the time we signed Hampton he was considered as close as you could get to a guaranteed quality starting pitcher for years to come, but was soon not only ineffective at altitude, but also hurt.

by IowaRockie on Jul 11, 2008 4:13 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

I see what you are saying

I guess anytime you are looking at signing a player long term you have to weigh the very real possibility that the player may not be healthy for the length of his contract, like you mentioned with Hampton; or the possibility the player will be in moderate to severe decline the last couple years of his contract.

You are right though, for every Maddux there are a ton of Carl Pavanos, Mike Hamptons, and Barry Zitos. As I said, even if we had a player come through the system like Johan Santana it would still probably not be wise to sign him to a fat contract because of how much it could possibly cripple you down the road. We are just not in a big enough market to take those risks.

by RyanBuff on Jul 11, 2008 4:42 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Here's a quick summary

of the ten reasons:

1) money
2) money
3) money
4) money
5) LF is not the most important position
6) other good OFs
7) other good OFs
8) home/road splits
9) lack of clutch/plate discipline
10) the Rockies are the 5th worst team in the MLB

Kinda looks like six reasons, not ten. While it’s true that Holliday swings at the first pitch in nearly every at bat, I don’t think that necessarily reduces his clutch impact.

Aut Vincam Aut Periam

by PioneerSkies on Jul 11, 2008 7:02 PM MDT   0 recs

BHAHA

classic…and spot on

+1

Thought Clint Hurdle should be fired before it was cool.

by Redhawk on Jul 11, 2008 8:12 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

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