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Chris Iannetta's genetically enhanced brain has apparently figured out how to defy the humidor, as his broken bat, two-run HR last night clearly demonstrates. Iannetta's bat and Ubaldo Jimenez's recovery from a shaky beginning led the Rockies to a victory in last night's game. Iannetta's tenth homerun on the season is the most by a Rockies catcher since Charles Johnson hit 13 in 2004, and CDI would need ten more to tie CJ's club record of twenty set in 2003.

Kip Wells is getting set to rejoin the Rockies rotation, with Mark redman moving to the bullpen. It's a lesser of a lot of evils choice. While I'll get to the Pebble Report a little later today, clearly we should be counting down the days to the arrival of Jhoulys Chacin, who improved to 4-0 at Modesto last night despite allowing twelve hits a nd four runs. He struck out eleven in the win.

Even as the Phillies would seem to be out of the Brian Fuentes derby with yesterday's deal for Joe Blanton, another team is reportedly added to the list of those interested. The Chicago Cubs are the latest entrant to this crowded field.

 

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Fuentes

Reading the comments to that first article, do people (not here, of course) not realize that Fuentes is a free agent after the season, and we would in all likelihood lose him for just draft picks? I don’t get the accusations of the Monforts being cheap on that front. As a left-handed closer, Fuentes is in elite company. I can certainly see a bidding war on him after the season, and with a couple in-house guys to replace him (which, yes, are less certain options than Fuentes—but that’s baseball), why would the Rockies pay premium money for a multi-year deal? And it’s not like we need to keep him for a playoff run (yeah, the NL West is bad, but unless we’ve gone on an amazing run come the trading deadline, we don’t need to keep him for that reason). Trading him is really the only smart move, in my book.

by holly96 on Jul 18, 2008 11:26 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

If we can't...

really shake somebody down for Fuentes, I’m happy with a couple high draft picks.

by Since1993 on Jul 18, 2008 3:47 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

If the price isn't right

Well, yeah, if we can’t the right price. High draft picks would certainly be better than settling for throwaway players in a trade. But with the bidding war that seems to be heating up (and teams will give up more the closer we get to the deadline), I think we could do better with the right trade. What got me about the comments in that article was that people thought losing Fuentes at all (through trade or in the offseason) would be some huge mistake.

by holly96 on Jul 18, 2008 4:18 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Chacin

Those stats for Chacin make me horny. What impresses me the most is his BB rate. Wow!

We finally seem like we have the makings of a great rotation. Cook and Jimenez are locked up for a while. If Francis can figure out what is wrong (and lets be honest, he is better off as a #3 or #4 anyway), and Chacin keeps breezing through the minors, we couuld have a playoff worthy rotation by 2010. Of course, as this season has shown, so many things can go wrong. I mean, what the hell happened to Frankin Morales?

Thank god for baseball season.

by jcd823 on Jul 18, 2008 12:02 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Wait a minute

Is that a misprint? The stats for Chacin make you… horny?

by Tom (RFTN) on Jul 18, 2008 12:50 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

What?

Baseball stats don’t make you horny?

Thank god for baseball season.

by jcd823 on Jul 18, 2008 1:11 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not quite that level

but I am excited about Chacin’s stats.

by Tom (RFTN) on Jul 18, 2008 1:56 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Strike thrower

Well I’ll pass on being horny for Chacin stats, but agreed that it’s his control that’s most impressive. Remember Jim Wright said, ...”He’s a strike thrower and he doesn’t get himself in trouble with walks,” As I recall, Ubaldo was wild as heck at that stage (A ball).

by DeepPurple on Jul 18, 2008 1:13 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hirsh

Can we get some kind of update on Hirsh?

Protect the Shield Read it, don't, whatever.

by Onebaseman on Jul 18, 2008 12:21 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Hey, lookit this...

Before this blog degenerates into a Phillies suck/Mets suck goon fest, look at what these Phils fans think we’d take for Holliday.

http://www.philliesnation.com/archives/2008/07/could-blanton-trade-mean-holliday-to-phils/

Brett Myers, Pat Burrell, Shane Victorino?

by Since1993 on Jul 18, 2008 3:42 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

It's funny, but my immediate instinct is to shun trades

Where the other guys give up their MLB spare parts for our major pieces. On a talent basis, though, this isn’t as bad as such offers usually are. On a personal basis, as a woman, I would be hard pressed to continue liking any team that gave safe harbor to somebody like Myers and that includes my favorite team, talent be damned. Given his history, I’m guessing and hoping the Rockies would turn this offer down if it were more than fanciful speculation to begin with.

by Rox Girl on Jul 18, 2008 3:55 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow

I’m always amazed at how Fans of baseball teams over value their own talent, and devalue other teams talent.

The Phillies are flat dreaming if they think some grouping of washed up scrubs they’d like to dump will get Holliday

Thought Clint Hurdle should be fired before it was cool.

by Redhawk on Jul 18, 2008 3:56 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Interesting tidbit

Mlbtraderumors.com always does a good job of letting it’s readers know what does/doesn’t get done. look at this one.

The Phillies were recently working on a blockbuster with Colorado that would have netted them Brian Fuentes and Matt Holliday for something like Shane Victorino, J.A. Happ, Carlos Carrasco, and Lou Marson. Those talks have stalled, and the added payroll might’ve been a problem for the Phillies anyway.

InToddwetrust

by InToddwetrust on Jul 18, 2008 5:02 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Let me be the first to say

That I would have hate hate HATED that trade. Carrasco is 5-7/4.09 in AA, Happ is 6-6/3.31 in AAA, and Marson is a catcher, which we need about as much as we need another CF what with Iannetta and McKenry already in the pipeline. Where DOES O’Dowd come up with that stuff.

Free Casey Weathers!!!!

by Silverblood on Jul 18, 2008 6:20 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Be very careful about using minor league numbers

to judge young players. Minor league numbers do not show context, so they can distort a players performance in relation to his league, park, etc.

by David OhNo on Jul 18, 2008 6:38 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Whole lotta dumb

If we’re going to trade Holliday, we’d better be getting a lot more than that. I wouldn’t mind getting Victorino and a prospect for Fuentes, though I’m not sure what we’d do with Victorino… he doesn’t hit enough to play LF, unless we’re thinking of moving Fowler there.

by Tom (RFTN) on Jul 18, 2008 6:23 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

While the prospect haul looked good

I hate the fits of the players.

Victorino and Fowler each lose value when they aren’t in center, so I struggle to see how this helps long term. I like Fowler’s potential over Victorino’s present ability, and think Shane would be a Coco Crisp in Boston type role player.

Carrasco certainly has his pluses, but he isn’t a big GB% guy, or blessed with staff ace stuff, so he may struggle with the Coors transition. Good prospct, but matched up against comparable players, he isn’t as good a fit here.

Happ seems like a guy we have quite a few of, and would join the “see what sticks” group of AAA-MLB pitchers we have right now. Likely better than current options, but not a longterm stalwart.

Marson is another great prospect, but with Iannetta securing the catcher position for at least the next five team controlled years, where does Lou fit long term?

These trades aren’t just about winning in the BA handbook, they have to make sense down the road, and this one doesn’t.

I think the value in the package is fair, but the pieces just aren’t great fits.

by David OhNo on Jul 18, 2008 6:36 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

How about...

Holliday to Boston for Chris Carter (AAA LF), Clay Buchholz (starting tonight for Sox) and maybe another AA pitcher.

Sox are getting tired of Ramirez and may be ripe for a Holliday trade, but probably not until the off season. Buchholz and Carter are legit and there a few good prospects in AA.

I’ve posted before that I feel Holliday shouldn’t be traded, but as a Sox/Rox fan that spends alot of time following the AAA team in Pawtucket I think this would be a fair trade.

by 4thturn on Jul 18, 2008 6:41 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Sox can do better

Buchholz is probably off limits, but the Rockies would do good to get Masterson as the centerpiece. Masterson fits the Coors profile and he can add K’s with the slider. GB’s plus K’s makes Masterson a good fit with Cook and Jimenez.

Next, I’d stay away from Carter and ask for Kalish or Reddick. Reddick has the better numbers, but a slightly lesser profile, yet I may prefer him more. His swing generates plenty of line drives and solid pop, so he should have a good offensive profile for Coors. Defensively, he’s said to have only average speed, so he may not be as good defensively in Coors (though he is said to have a plus arm.)

Kalish has a better long term profile based on tools, but he hasn’t been as productive this year and could be a little further away from the bigs.

The third player I’d request would be Daniel Bard, who has had a remarkable recovery as a prospect since being switched to relief. I’d flirt with returning him to the rotation again, but should he stay in relief, he’s got quite a bit of value as a late inning flamethrower with big time K potential.

I think you can easily add a fourth and fifth player if you add Fuentes to the deal, as Boston is loaded, and by going with a Masterson/Reddick/Bard package, you aren’t putting a dent in Boston’s talent pool, but are getting guys that fit needs at the upper and lower levels. I think you can still get a pretty good fourth player too that is more a C grade guy, maybe someone like Weeden, an offensive minded catcher.

by David OhNo on Jul 18, 2008 7:16 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

What about

this column from MLB.com, Blanton trade could rock Rockies>

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20080718&content_id=3148275&vkey=trade2008&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb

I don’t see the correlation between a mediocre right handed starter and a premier left handed reliever. I get that this could be the end of the Phillies maneuvering, but as Blanton is not the equivalent of adding Harden or Sabathia and the Phillies staff is pretty mediocre all around, they could still be interested. Besides, all you need are a few teams, which are still there.

I wouldn’t want the prospects the A’s got, and Victorino (28 this year) wouldn’t be any prize for Coors field.

by deacs on Jul 18, 2008 7:53 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I've also

heard good things about Bard and he was someone I had considered naming.

If I were the Sox, I’d rather keep Masterson over Buchholz, but either would work for the Rox.

As for Carter, he’s one of my favorite players on the AAA team. I think he’s definitely going somewhere in a trade. He’s showing much improvement defensively as the season goes on and has some real good pop with the bat.

by 4thturn on Jul 18, 2008 7:49 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

I don't know if Carter fits here

he’s a converted first baseman, and if possible, we should be looking for centerfielders who can convert to corners. Carter might be passable in Boston with the monster, but the vast space of Coors could hurt him defensively. Carter’s bat is major league worthy, I’m just not sure I like the fit.

by David OhNo on Jul 18, 2008 8:24 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

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