Also, there’s no way we resign Holliday. People all are saying “Sell Holliday and bring in TOP PROSPECTS” – well, we’ve BEEN doing that. Now Jeff Baker and Ian Stewart and Troy Tulowitzki and all are here. We can’t just keep farming and farming, it isn’t gonna work. I mean, there’s a line, you can’t just go buy everyone, as we’ve seen, but this would be the major acquisition we’ve been looking for.

so what do you propose

You think they’re going to be able to sign him? Seems extremely unlikely to me.

would we WANT Arroyo? He’s overpriced, lousy, doesn’t pitch to ground balls, and would give up enough home runs to make us thing we lost the humidor.

isn’t worth sending Sullivan for…well maybe Sullivan

Good to hear Somebody has already spoken with Dan O’Dowd and JP Riccardi!

Yes, we all know it’s an unlikely trade. Leave us to our fun.

Not if we want to keep Dexter Fowler, Jhoulys Chacin, Ian Stewart, Greg Reynolds….etc etc…

We can’t keep Holliday…..he walks next year. We can offer him the moon and the sun, but with Boras as his agent, he’s going to till walk, as a New York team will also offer him Mars too.

This would maximize our return for Holliday. A front line ace…...think about it…..an actual ace in a Rockies uniform….who might re-sign after 2010….cause he’s from Denver! Not a bunch of prospects…no Jason Hirsch’s of the world (remember when he was the #1 Astro’s prospect?).....but an ACE!

Also take Holliday out of the mix….and then we have to empty out our minor league system.

The response was….we have two outfielders signed to long contracts and 2 young outfielders we really like. There is no way the team would be signing Holliday for the $20 mil he’s going to ask for. So trading Doc for one year of Holliday (as much as it would be a great deal for Colorado) would be stupid for us. JP is not the brightest GM but he isn’t that stupid.

IF Doc is going to be traded, and despite one story, he hasn’t asked to be traded, he said ‘I’d like to win’ . We’d all like to win. He also said he will be a Jay as long as the Jays want him, in the same interview. He also said he liked the direction the team was going.

Why would he want to go to the Rockies if he wants to win. Jays are 51 and 51….Rockies are 45 and 58. He wants to win and he wants to go to a team 13 games below .500?

Trading Doc would make our strength, pitching, a weakness next year, Burnett is leaving, so our one and two guys would be gone and in exchange we could have 5 outfielders, three of which would be
overpaid and basically untradable. IF we trade Doc, we’d have to get something that would fill a hole we’ll have next year and beyond without it couldn’t open a gaping hole somewhere else. The big hole right now and in the near future is middle infield.

I guess in answer to that last line I’d say ‘I love how fans think that a trade that’s good for their team is something the other team without worrying at all about thier needs.’

yes, fans including myself overate their own prospects cause we are familiar with them, and discount others because they are not familiar with prospects on other teams. The Rockies have tons of prospects. But there are a few that don’t work to trade. Fowler being the only untouchable in our system (as he’s going to start in 09 for us). Tulo is a major leaguer not a prospect. You want a Kershaw type? we have 3 that are in that category (saw Kershaw pitch Tuesday…not that great in fact). You want starters? we have starters? You need prospects to fill out your organization that could have an impact in a few years? we have those too.

You want multiple young superstars that will start today?....you are flat dreaming. The Indians and the A’s didn’t get that. Hell, no one has that to give. In fact what the Dbacks gave to the A’s we could have matched..which is something the Rockies fans aren’t too happy about.

The problem as I see it with the Jays, is they have no idea, what they are. Are they a big market, big money team? or a mid size, make the most of their money team. If the answer is A) They should not trade Halladay unless the get a star in return (Like a Holliday), they should sign Texiera in the off season, plus a DH type and a number 4/5 pitcher type and make a run. If the answer is B) than they should trade Halladay for the most that they can get. If it’s B, Matt Hollliday maybe isn’t a fit as he will be a FA and rebuilding using the B scenario…takes a really long time. We know. But we can give you a whole new AA team we have so many prospects to help out if it’s B and the Rockies would be better trade partners than many others.

My thought was the Jays were A. What they don’t have enough of is hitting. Sorry. They just don’t have anyone in the line up that scares anyone. Holliday is that guy. What I see from you are saying the Jays have no idea what they are but what they have is Roy Halladay, and if they trade Roy Halladay, they won’t have even that. Look I realize that idea isn’t fun. But he’s the Jays biggest asset, which means he brings the biggest return. If Halladay isn’t traded will the Jays make the playoffs in the next 2 years? And if the answer is no…than the Jays should trade him.

To his home town where he has his off season home…..