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Okay, a couple of notes from the overhead view of last night's game. First, records aside, the Rockies looked like a considerably better team last night, and defense was a huge part of the disparity. I mean, Stewart looking like a shortstop playing third was one thing, and Cook fielding his position like Maddux another, but our outfield also showed superior range and ability and I would say there was at least a two run swing in our favor because of it. Garrett Atkins' first inning double that got by the lead-footed Adam Dunn was nearly identical to a line drive later caught by Holliday. Taveras' range and first step were just as impressive from the top down vantage point my view level seat provided.

Second, Brad Hawpe going the opposite way for both his homerun and double were also quite pleasing to watch. Baker's shot was just a laser (And yeah, I'm happy with Jeff at second,) but Brad just sort of flicked at those pitches and yet still had enough pure power to get them  to the wall and over it. I hate to realize the implications of this statement for our team's absent elder statesman, but I really think the lineup that the Rockies used last night is probably their best available given the personnel they have in the system, even if everybody was healthy. The upgrade on defense with Stewart at third over Atkins and his power makes up for the loss of Helton's OBP. In fact, I think a closer debate would be for pushing Fowler to center over Taveras.

I don't know if I have much else to say right now. Cook was once again quietly impressive, which was nice for him to show in front of a lot of his hometown supporters. The way he worked out of the jam after the Griffey triple just crushed the hopes of the Reds fans in attendance, as they had really come alive at that point. Anyway, I hope to make it back out early tonight to get a seat, as it'll likely be a bit more crowded on Adam Dunn bobblehead night.

Yesterday's Yankees Pirates trade takes one potential Fuentes suitor off the table, and it reveals somewhat where the market for players vs prospects is at right now. The primary piece in the deal was Jose Tabata, a gifted young player who had been somewhat overhyped by the Yankees press machine his first couple of professional seasons, and therefore has seemed somewhat disappointing this year. He is not currently what would be considered an impact player along the lines of what O'Dowd is looking for, but he could become one. You would figure Fuentes and certainly Holliday are of greater value, it will be interesting to see where this takes things over the next few days.

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I should mention that

the Yankees move dramatically bumps up the pressure on the Rays, who were in on both Marte and Nady, and now have to consider carefully whether to cave to the Rockies demands in a blockbuster Fuentes/Holliday deal or risk losing out on the opportunity of making a playoff run this year.

by Rox Girl on Jul 26, 2008 11:45 AM MDT reply actions  

On the trade front...

ESPN is reporting the Dodgers have completed a trade for Casey Blake from Cleveland….the Indians getting minor league catcher Carlos Santana and right-handed pitcher Jon Meloan.

by DeepPurple on Jul 26, 2008 11:52 AM MDT reply actions  

Dodgers

Casey Blake might be an underrated prospect but I really don’t like this from the Dodger’s point of view.

I don’t know much about Santana but his numbers are great for a catcher (if he can stick) and while Meloan has had trouble translating his success to the MLB level he is a pretty overwhelming arm out of the bullpen.

I just don’t see how a rental of a decent everyday player could possibly be worth that purchase price when packaging a bit more in terms of prospects might have netted them an impact talent.

by MADness on Jul 26, 2008 11:54 AM MDT reply actions  

I agree,

Cleveland, I think, wins this deal in the long run. The only way this helps the Dodgers is if they turn around and also acquire Street for LaRoche as was rumored yesterday but later quashed. Otherwise, I’m not really sure what Blake gives them other than another body to try and fit into the lineup. Meanwhile, Santana’s a catcher, and possibly as good a prospect as McKenry is for us (better bat, worse glove) and in a system that could really use long term help behind Martin, giving him up isn’t wise at all. That’s even before you get to Meloan who’s got some fantastic stuff but just needs some time.

by Rox Girl on Jul 26, 2008 12:04 PM MDT up reply actions  

I wonder...

...how much Stewart’s range at third will affect the way Tulo is perceived as a gold glove type shortstop? However that changes, I assume the Rox left side infield defense may now be just as good as the Mets’.

by jlikesrockies on Jul 26, 2008 11:59 AM MDT reply actions  

I don't really think

that Stewie’s great D will hurt Tulo’s rep at all. Defensively, Troy has been a fantastic SS his entire career and people will recognize this.

Aut Vincam Aut Periam

by PioneerSkies on Jul 26, 2008 12:14 PM MDT up reply actions  

Red Sox

Could a combination of Manny apparently burning one bridge too many and the resurgence of the Yankees be enough to make Boston seriously consider a massive Holliday/Fuentes deal?

by MADness on Jul 26, 2008 12:49 PM MDT reply actions  

If I saw

Matt Holliday wearing a Red Sox jersey, I would vomit, cry, and possibly hurt someone.

Aut Vincam Aut Periam

by PioneerSkies on Jul 26, 2008 1:06 PM MDT up reply actions  

Gonna lose him

The Rockies are either going to mortgage thier future or lose Holliday after next season.

I would rather be proactive and make sure that they got a TON of talent for Holliday than drag this out while his time under team control (and thus his trade value) diminishes.

by MADness on Jul 26, 2008 1:14 PM MDT up reply actions  

I have to keep...

Hitting myself in the head to not feel anything if Matty went to the Red Sucks.

by Since1993 on Jul 26, 2008 2:09 PM MDT up reply actions  

No

Holliday and Fuentes are not going as a package deal

Remembering Dustin Mohr's glory years!

by MohrPlease on Jul 26, 2008 2:27 PM MDT up reply actions  

Making up for Helton's OBP

Right now, Todd’s OBP sits at .393. This is a good mark, but it is well under his career OBP of .428. There have been only three seasons in which Todd has finished the season with an OBP under .400 (.337 in 1997, .380 in 1998, and .395 in 1999). Now consider a few other statistics: Todd’s AVG currently is .260 and his SLG is .391. Both would be career lows if he finished the year with those numbers.

Now let’s look at Ian Stewart’s numbers so far this year, keeping in mind it’s from a small sample of games. Stewart is batting .304 with a .364 OBP and .557 SLG. Besides showing some great defense at 3B, Stewart’s power alone makes up for the .029 OBP difference between him and Todd.

I agree with you that the best lineup for the Rockies has Atkins at 1B (where he played at UCLA), Stewart at 3B and Baker at 2B. Though this writer disagrees, it’s what is best for the team, even though it would tear my heart out to see a healthy Todd Helton warming the bench.

Aut Vincam Aut Periam

by PioneerSkies on Jul 26, 2008 1:02 PM MDT reply actions  

Holliday

If he ends up in a Boston uniform, someone’s going to have to either talk me off the ledge or pick me off of the top of the clock tower. I’m not sure which right now.

by Clockwork Orange on Jul 26, 2008 1:39 PM MDT reply actions  

Cleveland just aquired

Anthony Reyes from the Cards

Remembering Dustin Mohr's glory years!

by MohrPlease on Jul 26, 2008 2:24 PM MDT reply actions  

for

AA reliever Luis Perdoma.

Aut Vincam Aut Periam

by PioneerSkies on Jul 26, 2008 2:28 PM MDT up reply actions  

Fowler

Anyone have thoughts on Fowler? Everything I read say he has a really complicated swing. I take this to mean that he could potentially have problems if he comes up and faces tougher pitching, that making adjustments would be harder for him. I guess if this is the case, I’d be weary of calling him up from Tulsa. I realize alot of the people around here probably know more about this than I do so I’d like to hear thoughts on calling him up. I guess all that being said, his stats in AA have been pretty good.

by Hizilla on Jul 26, 2008 2:28 PM MDT reply actions  

I see....

no reason to rush him to the bigs if the Rox are in any kind of contention. If Tavares is moved, I’m plenty happy with Spilly in CF.

Better to let him have a look at AAA pitching and get him ready to compete for a job in 2009.

by BroJB on Jul 26, 2008 2:33 PM MDT up reply actions  

and...

I do mean compete. I’ve maintained for a couple of years that Spilly could put up Aaron Rowand-like numbers (or maybe better) if given the chance to play every day. I don’t think Fowler, or anyone else, is necessarily a shoo-in to beat him out.

by BroJB on Jul 26, 2008 2:42 PM MDT up reply actions  

Agreed

I’ve always thought Spilly could start for most MLB teams. Interesting though, you’d think that the Management would try and get something (or would have during last offseason) for some of their extra outfield help.

by Hizilla on Jul 26, 2008 3:54 PM MDT up reply actions  

From a team standpoint, it would still be a rush to call him up at this point.

As good as his AA numbers are, they still just translate to something right around what Taveras is giving us, anyway. Add in typical rookie miscues and I really doubt he’d be any more value to us right now. Long term, though, he’s close enought that a move to the MLB won’t likely slow down his development, and should help him to get through those immaturity issues faster.

I agree with BroJB on saying no on an advance until it’s a little more clear we are out of it.

by Rox Girl on Jul 26, 2008 2:41 PM MDT up reply actions  

hey

LaTroy Hawkins is free! =D

by Jester76 on Jul 26, 2008 5:06 PM MDT reply actions  

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