Helton an albatross?
The sports editor of my local paper, The Daily Times-Call (Longmont, CO) , seems to think the Rockies are forever doomed because of the Todd Helton situation: Keeping Helton will haunt Rox
Since Ian Stewart took over at third base and Atkins moved to first, the Rockies are 7-1 and they’ve scored 8.0 runs per game. Stewart and Atkins have hit a combined .379 with two homers and 23 RBIs in that time.
Enjoy it now, because when Helton returns — either this year or next spring — he’ll be in the lineup. The question is, who else will be?
First, I don't think the potential trade with Boston 18 months ago was that close to becoming a reality, particularly from the RedSox end. I definitely don't think Helton will be rushed back into the starting lineup if and when he returns this season. Management will play it very cautiously, while at the same time relishing the production for the stretch run of the new Stewart at third--Atkins at first combo.
Regarding the Daily Times-Call, the Longmont paper is where Rockies beat writer Troy Renck got started. Patrick Saunders was also a former sports editor there.. I met Troy in the late 1990s in Longmont while he was covering a high school girls cross-country meet of all things. Man has he come a long way since, and I thnk Troy does an excellent job. I'm now seeing him in the bigtime reporting in video spots on ESPN and FOX.
Eat. Drink. Be Merry. But the above FanPost does not necessarily reflect the attitudes, opinions, or views of Purple Row's staff (unless, of course, it's written by the staff [and even then, it still might not]).
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I have long been a huge fan of Stewart
but I also want to be careful in giving too much credit to Helton being out of the lineup for our new found offense. I think the offense could have been nearly as potent w/ Helton in the lineup, but we didn’t have many other guys hitting the way they are now, especially w/ RISP. Torre was starting and doing nothing, Taveras could not get on base, Hawpe was inept and Tulo was doing nothing at the time. Torre has now been replaced w/ a productive Iannetta, and we all know the other guys have trended upward. I just think our offense would have come around even w/ Helton in the lineup.
Don’t get me wrong, I like this lineup a little better, and it could be even better w/ Spilly in CF. I think our D is certainly not as good however. I think I have come to realize just how good Helton is when you watch Atkins, JoKo, or even Baker at 1B. He saves the team a lot of errors over the course of the year, and his defense is missed.
by smokinRox on
Jul 28, 2008 2:35 PM MDT
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Contracts
I think the Helton situation is a good lesson for GMs. When signing that long of a deal, use some options at the back end. If the team had team options on Helton right now, they could decline the option and try to sign him to a better deal (assuming there is a place for him on the roster).
Heck, even if Helton had a player option, it is conceivable that he could decline the options for the good of the team. Maybe he wouldn’t do that (after all, we are talking about a lot of money), but it’s possible.
As things currently stand, the only way out of the contract is retirement or career-ending injury, unless I’m missing something. There’s simply no way to renegotiate a contract downward – the union wouldn’t sign off on such a deal. A-Rod tried to tweak his deal many years ago when Texas was trying to trade him to the Red Sox, and the union nixed the suggested, which I believe was a no-interest deferral (but I could be wrong about that).
I love Helton, but the money’s a killer.
by kosmo99 on
Jul 29, 2008 6:55 AM MDT
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don’t believe career ending injuries get you out of a guaranteed contract and the Rockies would still have to pay unless the contract was insured. 10 years was/is a stupid length to give anybody. Unless Helton retires his contract will hinder the Rockies for the next 3 years.
by DieHardRox on
Jul 29, 2008 8:34 AM MDT
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Correct
The money is still owed if there is an injury. If the contract is insured the insurance company pays. Though insurance on contracts are a lot harder to get, and I haven’t heard of them for awhile.
So retirement is the only way out. And why would he retire? Helton is still a legitimate major leaguer. Just not equal to the amount he’s going to get paid.
Back to go the first question…Helton isn’t the Albatross…..but his contract is. That and the history the most managers and I see Hurdle in this mode, that play the old veteran, BECAUSE he is the old veteran. The player with the bigger contract also usually plays. Combine those, and Helton will play when he comes back. (and this doesn’t even bring up that if the Rockies had Helton’s contract they might have a chance of re-signing Atkins. As it looks now, Holliday walks, Atkins walks, at the same time Helton retires…ouch)
But the real answer should be the best line up should be put on the field. What Helton brings to the field with his D, is negated by his bat. The line up with Atkins and Stewart is greater than Helton and Atkins at the moment. Helton should sit. Now how will that go over?
Thought Clint Hurdle should be fired before it was cool.
by Redhawk on
Jul 29, 2008 10:34 AM MDT
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Insultingly
Helton is a real gamer, even if he’s showing his age miserably right now. During ‘06 when asked why he didn’t DH Helton, due to back problems, Hurdle basically said “I can’t stand being in the dugout with him. He’s always bugging me and pacing around and being anxious. He has to be in the field.”
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by RockiesMagicNumber on
Jul 29, 2008 10:51 AM MDT
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Insurance
Yeah, I was referring to disability insurance, which used to be VERY common. It appears that some teams are self insuring.
This articles indicates that some teams are still carrying the insurance, at least on the big dollar contracts.
http://proathletesonly.com/news/featured/insurance-lowers-risk-protects-teams-in-big-contracts/
This article from 2004 indicates that the Rockies had disability insurance on Mike Hampton at that point. If they had insurance on Hampton, surely they would have had it on Helton … and surely they would have kept it after 2004, since I think he was already encountering some problem at that point.
http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/features/040314money.html
Magic Number – none of this is meant to isult Todd. The simple fact is that injuries have robbed him of skills and he’s just not the player people expected.
by kosmo99 on
Jul 29, 2008 2:13 PM MDT
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Here are a few more articles about disability insurance. MLB set up a captive insurer in 2003, which is why disability claims might not be getting a whole lot of media attention. Not that fan interest in insurance is that high, anyway. Since they went through the hoops to set up a captive, I’m guessing that disability insurance is here to stay.
(2006) http://www.riskandinsurance.com/story.jsp?storyId=13406472&query=baseball
Quote: “Only once in my 24 years with the Braves can I remember a player signing a significant contract without a policy in place,” says John Schuerholtz
(2006) http://www.riskandinsurance.com/story.jsp?storyId=13616340&query=baseball
(2006) http://www.riskandinsurance.com/story.jsp?storyId=1182189&query=baseball
Details of how baseball set up a captive insurer
by kosmo99 on
Jul 29, 2008 2:41 PM MDT
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Those are good articles
I know that for awhile Loyd’s of London carried insurance on player disability. The Albert Belle one was theirs. After that I remember that they were going to raise rates, or get out, as they lost a bundle.
Since then I haven’t heard of a club getting money on an injury, which lead me to assume, that the clubs weren’t buying that insurance on players.
Thought Clint Hurdle should be fired before it was cool.
by Redhawk on
Jul 29, 2008 2:54 PM MDT
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Insurance
I think the lack of coverage is more due to lack of fan interest than anything. Manny’s latest incident makes for a better story than a team settling a disability claim for $500K.
I actually dug into this a bit when my simulation league started discussion the possibility of insurance (no, it didn’t get implemented). It was incredibly hard to find – and the 3 good links aren’t from mainstream sites – they are from an insurance industry site.
I work in insurance (on the info tech side, not claims) so I probably have more interest than the average fan.
Insuring athletes isn’t a business I’d want to be in – lots of stresses on weak parts of the body like the knee and elbow.
by kosmo99 on
Jul 29, 2008 4:39 PM MDT
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NOT SO FAST, HELTON HATERS
Let’s put away the pen lights and shine a flood light on the situation.
The big bad Rockies 7-1 streak sans Helton was preceeded by something like a 2 and 12 streak. The last time Stewart was up he hit about .150. Is he all better??? He sucked. He’s not ready to push Atkins to push Helton out of the way. Koshansky is a homer-or-nothing defensive liability. The base-running of Stewart and his other youth movement boneheads helped ice the loss today (Pirates 6-4) . If you want to talk about wasted money, let’s talk Naegle, Hampton, Hawkins and the latest O’Dowd bounced check, Vizcaino. All Helton ever did was lead his team to the World Series last year, win batting titles.
He left hitting about .260 lo so many weeks ago. He had his average up above .300 before, obviously, sometihing started bothering him. If you really think he’s a wash, you’re not worth listening to. The guy is a Hall of Fame Candidate. i won’t blab about his stats. Let’s just say they’re epic.
This big “win streak” the Rockies are on right now has come against who???Pittsburgh. Clueless Cincy? And now dumping two when it counted the most. This team without Helton folds like their baseball cards. Every now and then they all have a nice hitting day. I’m glad. But they are lost little boys when left to the wizdumb of Hurdle and O’Dowd.
Helton is a hitting scientist when healthy.
I, too, am puzzled about his recent trouble with called third strikes and strike-outs in general. That doesn’t seem to be back problem, but i don’t know.
I just think it’s classless and so newbie fanby to trash Helton for his performance this year.
There’s more to come for him, boys and girls. Just you wait and see.
Frankly, I’m ready to see him traded. The team without him is listless big-engine offense with no soul. Hurdle and O’Dowd are buffoons. Let him go play for somebody who will appreciate him.
And I’ll follow him wherever he goes.
Robobubba has spoken!
by robobubba on
Jul 29, 2008 11:22 PM MDT
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So much to respond to here
as there are good points, and a lot of bad stuff. But here’s why I can’t/won’t enter into a debate with you:
If you really think he’s a wash, you’re not worth listening to.
That is wrong on multiple levels.
Thought Clint Hurdle should be fired before it was cool.
by Redhawk on
Jul 29, 2008 11:39 PM MDT
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So...
Frankly, I’m ready to see him traded. The team without him is listless big-engine offense with no soul. Hurdle and O’Dowd are buffoons. Let him go play for somebody who will appreciate him.And I’ll follow him wherever he goes
You aren’t a Rockies fan, you’re a Helton fan? That’s cool and all, I just want to know where we stand here.
by oo_nrb on
Jul 30, 2008 9:26 AM MDT
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Helton
I don’t think anyone’s a Helton hater … it’s not his fault that he has encountered the back troubles. But it’s pretty obvious that it has sapped him of the power that the Rockies were expecting when they shelled out the big money. He hasn’t topped 20 HR since 2004.
Yes, he remains an OBP god, and his defense is excellent – but OBP/defense 1B don’t typically make 16.6M per year (19.1M in 2011).
As for the “newbie” comment … I’ve been a fan since December of 1992, so I probably don’t qualify as a newbie :)
by kosmo99 on
Jul 30, 2008 7:52 AM MDT
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I agree
that there are many reasons to think his contract and declining production are problematic for maximizing future returns. I guess to me its more about nostalgia, though. I think my single favorite moment as a sports fan this decade was seeing the look on Helton’s face when that last out hit his mitt in the play-in game last year. To me, that is what being a sports fan was all about, and it was a fantastic moment for this longtime Rockies fan. So I can hear the arguments that maybe his time has come and the “what have you done for me lately—win now” part of me agrees, but there is a much bigger part of me that says that Todd can stand at 1b until he’s 50 and I’ll wear his jersey with pride. End of sentimental wishy washy rant…beat the damn Pirates.
by Teekalong on
Jul 30, 2008 5:21 PM MDT
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Ditto
I feel much the same way you do. There were so many seasons where Todd was one of the few (if not the only) bright spot of this team, and seeing his complete and utter joy last year was my favorite part (I still sometimes rewatch his interview with ESPN after the play-in game, I enjoy it that match). The whole situation just makes me sad.
by holly96 on
Jul 30, 2008 10:02 PM MDT
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I'm so
wrapped up in the moment, I even wrote the wrong one…obviously the end of the play-in game was “the play at the plate”...just thinking about that interview afterwards….and the glove moment was the last out v. AZ for the WS…too many great moments from this team last year.
by Teekalong on
Jul 30, 2008 11:09 PM MDT
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erm, didn't the play-in game
end with the Holliday slide?
by holliday5 on
Aug 8, 2008 4:10 PM MDT
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I AM a Rox fan
What else would I be doing here. I just can’t stand by and watch people tear Helton down because he’s hitting .260 and has a bad back. That is short-sighted bandwagon Roctober thinking. My guy Todd Helton gets points for hanging with his team - and being paid well - and just being him. Certain people on he current Rox don’t deserve my devotion. I won’t name them, but I will name the others who do. They all have something in common: class, humility and loyalty: Aaron Cook, Spilly, Jimenez, believe it or not, Jeff Francis, Ianetta. These guys keep me going, keep me a Rox fan. Most of you don’t know this, but Francis will be back. It is 10:01 p.m. on July 30, 2008. You heard it here first. Francis will rip off five wins for the Rox upon his return. If everybody else does their job, the Rox will gain one game on the Snakes every week for the next six weeks. This one’s coming down to the wire. If Hurdle and O’dowd stay out of the way, it’ll be sweeter than last year.
Now, I’m stepping out and saying this. What say you???
If your dreams are wrapped up in Holliday (too selfish at the plate) and the immature Tulo (who has promise if he shuts up and gets to work), there’s hope.
I have not forgotten that these guys made it last year, and they can do it again.
Hurdle, chewing gum, and O’Dowd Wizdumb be dammed. These boys, with Helton and Francis back, know the way.
Robobubba has spoken!
by robobubba on
Jul 30, 2008 11:06 PM MDT
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