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The Freak - Tim Lincecum

Fascinating cover story on Giants phenom pitcher Tim Lincecum in the latest Sports Illustrated.  The guy is all of 5"10", 172 lbs. For those Rockies fans with 20/10 hindsight, the article points out that six of the first seven teams to pick in the 2006 draft selected pitchers (including Reynolds - Colorado), all ahead of the Giants who took Lincecum at No. 10 pick.   I think it is a no-brainer that Hurdle starts Lincecum for the NL in the upcoming All-Star Game.

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Of the nine players drafted ahead of him

only one has done remotely close to what he has in the majors, Evan Longoria. Kershaw and Miller might be better in time, but Lincecum has been great so far. I wish he played for us.

by Tom (RFTN) on Jul 3, 2008 11:12 PM MDT   0 recs

'06 draft

Obviously, the Rockies and many other teams can’t be blamed for passing on Lincecum (at the time) in the first few picks of ‘06 draft. But our pick of Reynolds at overall #2, ahead of Evan Longoria at #3 by the Rays-I know some knowledgable fans who question that move along the lines of “take the best player on the board” theory. Some hindsight there, too, considering we had in the organization in ‘06 Tulo at short and Atkins and Stewart at third—plus we needed starting pitching.

by DeepPurple on Jul 4, 2008 6:44 AM MDT   0 recs

Drafting

for need in baseball is like getting a gift card for your birthday to Target and buying toilet paper.

Wouldn’t it just be much more fun to buy a video game with it? After all, it’s your birthday.

by rosenthal on Jul 4, 2008 2:23 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Tend to agree

In MLB or NFL draft, if you’ve really got a high pick, say 1-3, go for the high-impact player regardless of need since you may not have a shot again at that kind of stud for years. In that regard, Reynolds was disappointing pick at #2 overall ahead of Longoria..

by DeepPurple on Jul 4, 2008 2:50 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

To be honest

I’m just thankful he might be a capable MLB player – I know you want more with a pick like that, but at least he’s not a total bust (yet?).

by Hizilla on Jul 4, 2008 3:37 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Thoughts.

Thought #1: I start Edinson Volquez. Lincecum has a slight edge, but I just like Volquez more for some reason.

Thought #2: Greg Reynolds was not a bad pick. Greg is 6’7, 225lbs. The makeup of a pitcher who’s gonna pitch for a long time. He’s a big guy and can use his mechanics to basically stay healthy, if that makes any sense. He throws a good sinker and good change, and gets good movement on both. His control is shaky, as he shows a BB/9 north of 5. But he’s shown a lot of signs of being awesome.

Lincecum, however, was a high-ceiling-high-risk kind of guy. He can pump his fastball at around 96, but his weird, jerky delivery combined with his relatively small frame. The huge concern about taking Lincecum was the issue of him having MASSIVE shoulder and back problems, and being the next Mark Prior.

The thing is, that potential is still there. I can easily see Lincecum having 3 or 4 stellar years, and then becoming a part-time pitcher because he’s always hurt. Reynolds, on the other hand, may never really reach ACE POTENTIAL, but I can see him pitching for a good 10-15 years in the majors.

Thought #3: Drafting for need may not be immediate need, as the one thing the Rockies have never had is really good pitching. And yes, LOL Coors never have good pitching, but we basically need it. They may have seen a quick jump to the Majors for Reynolds, but how can we go wrong with better pitching?

I guess had we picked Longoria, we could’ve traded Atkins for a pile of good pitching, too. But did anyone really anticipate this all happening like it did?

It's Tricky to rock a rhyme, to rock a rhyme that's right on time It's Tulowitzki!...Tulo-witzki-witzki-witzki ..... rockiesmagicnumber.blogspot.com

by RockiesMagicNumber on Jul 5, 2008 1:15 AM MDT   0 recs

d'oh

“Lincecum, however, was a high-ceiling-high-risk kind of guy. He can pump his fastball at around 96, but his weird, jerky delivery combined with his relatively small frame may make him injury prone.”

It's Tricky to rock a rhyme, to rock a rhyme that's right on time It's Tulowitzki!...Tulo-witzki-witzki-witzki ..... rockiesmagicnumber.blogspot.com

by RockiesMagicNumber on Jul 5, 2008 1:16 AM MDT to parent up   0 recs

What pitcher ISN'T an injury risk?

The funny thing is that I remember Prior being the type of guy who, when he was drafted, a lot of people thought was a low risk to break down because of his build and relatively easy pitching motion. You also hear quite a few people talking about Matt Cain - who’s a big, well-built fellow at 6’3” and 245 - as a guy who’s going to break down in the future. Cain did have some injury problems in the minors, but so far he hasn’t had any in the majors. Lincecum hasn’t had any injury problems in the pros and, from best I can tell, didn’t in college either (pitching over 100 innings each of his three years at Washington.)

On the other hand, despite your comments about Reynolds and his low injury risk, he pitched in only eight games in 2007 because of injuries. I don’t think you can make blanket statements that Reynolds will never have any problems because he’s 6’7” and 225, while Lincecum will simply because he’s 5’10” and about 170.

If you read the SI article, it makes it sound like if there’s one pitcher who can pull off that delivery, it’s Lincecum, who basically has the build of a gymnast. Even though he pitches for the Giants, I find it hard not to root for the guy, since he’s about the same size (and age) as me.

by Tom (RFTN) on Jul 5, 2008 5:49 AM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Easy, friend

It wasn’t meant to be the end-all statement of right or wrong, that’s why I labeled them as “Thought”s and shared them.

It's Tricky to rock a rhyme, to rock a rhyme that's right on time It's Tulowitzki!...Tulo-witzki-witzki-witzki ..... rockiesmagicnumber.blogspot.com

by RockiesMagicNumber on Jul 5, 2008 10:30 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

If the Rockies had drafted Longoria

he would be in AA waiting his turn right now. The Rockies have not shown any ability to turn their organizational depth into major league talent in a timely manner.

I miss baseball. Can we fire Clint Hurdle and Dan O'Dowd now?

by Redhawk on Jul 5, 2008 6:56 AM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Nah...

While I think you are correct, Longoria is a completely different story.

After all Reynolds is here, and he came to the bigs only a month after Longoria…same draft.

by roxintober on Jul 5, 2008 10:02 AM MDT to parent up   0 recs

What,

A World Series trip three years into a rebuilding project wasn’t fast enough for you?

Can you think of any other examples where this has happened? Honestly. I’d love to hear which top prospects the Rockies have harmed by moving them slowly up the minor league ladder.

Staying on the sunny side of Blake Street since 1993.

by Franchise26 on Jul 5, 2008 10:53 AM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Off the top of my head

Seth Smith
Joe Koshanski
Ed Bellorian
Clint Barmes
Matt Miller
Dexter Fowler

All should be a rung up the ladder but aren’t. These are just recent examples. Starting pitchers don’t seem to count as we (like a lot of teams) rush a decent pitcher and tend to ruin more than our share (Morales, Hirsch, hopefully not Reynolds)

If Longoria was drafted by the Rockies he would be blocked by Atkins, and Stewart in AAA, so he would be in AA, waiting his turn. The Rockies seem bad about moving along hitting prospects, and moving those above them (ex: Torrealba over Iannetta, Hawpe over Smith, Helton/Atkins over Stewart…granted Ian isn’t quite ready cause of the K’s)

Also the World Series that was an aberration, the team just not once in a life time hot, than, reality sets back in, and the team is crap again, just like it was in 06. Progress has been made, abut it’s 2 steps forward, one step back. The mistake is saying, “Look we made the WS, so the Rockies are on the right track.”

I miss baseball. Can we fire Clint Hurdle and Dan O'Dowd now?

by Redhawk on Jul 6, 2008 11:23 AM MDT to parent up   0 recs

OK

You didn’t really answer my question: are we doing any irreparable harm to that list of players by not having them at the level that you think they deserve to be at? Honestly, Miller’s the only guy I can’t argue about, and he’s not really much of a prospect to begin with.

Clint Barmes????? Is there some sort of super-major league that the Rockies should be promoting him to?

Should Bellorin be on the big club over Torrealba? (Let me answer that objectively for you since I know Torrealba’s one of your whipping boys – NO.) Koshansky over Helton? Smith over Spilborghs? No and no.

And that’s all I’ll say to you. You’re pretty set in your opinions, wrong-headed as they may be, and it’s pretty pointless to argue with you any further.

Staying on the sunny side of Blake Street since 1993.

by Franchise26 on Jul 6, 2008 4:13 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

wow….name calling, and being a jerk on the internet…...what’s the world coming to….the internet will never be the same..

You asked: Honestly. I’d love to hear which top prospects the Rockies have harmed by moving them slowly up the minor league ladder.

And I gave you some examples. Barmes was more in the past as he took forever to get the majors, so much so he’s not seen as a major leaguer, even though he’s hitting over .300 this year. So it hurt him. I think Smith is equal to or close to Hawpe…so Smith is hurt, and not by not trading the major leaguer in Hawpe for missing pieces, the Rockies organization is hurt.

Geeze…don’t ask for discussion if you don’t want another opinion other than your own. You are not the supreme keeper of all knowledge….so stop acting (posting) like it. My opinions are not “wrong-headed”...in fact I happen to think I’ve got very good points.

I miss baseball. Can we fire Clint Hurdle and Dan O'Dowd now?

by Redhawk on Jul 7, 2008 4:27 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Andrew Miller

Miller was the consensus number 1 arm that year if I remember correctly but his huge financial demands meant that the Rockies and other teams would pass on him.

Morrow and Lincoln were the other options that were discussed in the media and I was fine with Reynolds instead of them. Lincecum was an injury risk. Longoria….no real excuse for passing on him.

by MADness on Jul 5, 2008 12:30 PM MDT   0 recs

The excuse

With Atkins, Tulo, and Stewart already in the system (never mind Nelson, Gomez, Nix) the Rockies had no need to draft another infielder.

There were also whispers that Longoria wouldn’t jibe too well with the Rockies’ Christian philosophy. Unless he worships Satan and performs ritualistic animal sacrifices before games, that’s a b.s. excuse.

by Tom (RFTN) on Jul 5, 2008 8:54 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Signability

There was a massive signability scare in ‘06, because of what happened with Luke Hochevar the year previous. Add to that the reputation of Coors Field, and many pitchers on the board were considered longshots to sign with Colorado. Lincecum probably doesn’t fall into that category, but many others the Rockies passed on do.

by StickRat on Jul 6, 2008 1:12 PM MDT   0 recs

Longoria would have shifted to 2B.....

That was the talk at the time. He was considered likely able to make the defensive switch, and team up with fellow ex-Dirtbag Tulowitzki to form our DP combo for the next half-decade. Only in the final 48 hours did the Rockies have a change of heart, and decided to draft Reynolds, IIRC.

I’d take Morrow over Reynolds in a heartbeat too. He’s going to be MLB’s “next great closer”, in the words of Peter Gammons a few minutes ago on BBTN.

by GoRoxGo on Jul 6, 2008 5:43 PM MDT   0 recs

As a Rays fan

I can safely say that Longoria has turned out MUCH better than his pre-draft scouting reports indicated. While he was considered the best college bat in the draft, it was an extremely weak year for bats and Evan was drawing comparisons anywhere from Joe Randa to Geoff Jenkings. Solid players to be sure, but not a franchise player, which he’s turned out to be.

The guy is the definition of a late bloomer. Wasn’t drafted out of high school, was merely ‘good’, not great, in college and has just gotten better and better as he’s progressed. You gotta give the Rays scouts credit: they all truly believed Longoria was a special talent, and had him ranked first on their big board. The #2 on their board? Lincecum. Nobody thought Longoria would turn out as he has, save the Rays scouts.

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Yes, we really do have fans.

by killa3312 on Jul 7, 2008 8:58 AM MDT   0 recs

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