Wednesday Morning Rockpile:

by Russ on Jul 30, 2008 8:04 AM MDT in Rockpile

How do you start back-to-back games with a 3-0 lead and then lose? Be the Rockies is one answer. Which is to say, the Rockies have had a shoddy bullpen and stupid baserunning blunders, especially last night. Just take a look at Matt Herges' last four outings in regards to the former point:

	IP	H	R	ERA (season)
Jul 21	1	3	4	4.31
Jul 25	1	3	1	4.41
Jul 28	1	2	1	4.50
Jul 29	1	2	2	4.76

Before that disastrous July 21 game against the Dodgers, Herges' ERA stood at 3.64.

And with two losses to the Pirates, the Rockies are still the worst team on the road (17-38). Atlanta, Cleveland, Pittsburgh, San Diego, and Washington are all better (by one). Even Seattle can win three more games on the road than the Rockies.

Speaking of Seattle, on last night's Baseball Tonight Buster Olney made a passing comment that the Rockies have talked to Seattle about acquiring Jarrod Washburn after the Yankees trade proposal was off-putting. That interest is also mentioned in this Denver Post article.

We're just a day away from the trading deadline. Stay tuned for what the Rockies may or may not do.

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O'Dowd sucks

We’ll probably do nothing. O’Dowd is probably so confused right now over weather to buy or sell that he’ll totally choke and do nothing. The team will go on to finish last and the Monfarts will reward him with a 10 year contract extension.

by acsguitar on Jul 30, 2008 9:57 AM MDT 0 recs

So, your glass is half empty, then?

by Since1993 on Jul 30, 2008 10:00 AM MDT up 0 recs

True that!

Fuentes has finally got his stock to rise somewhat. This is the best time to trade him. Even if the Rockies make the playoffs, they won’t make it past the first round. This is a chance to add some depth to the team and it will go by the wayside. Like most of the Rockies moves. The ownership is to blame. This will never be a great or even a good franchise with the Monforts as owners.

by CR Brown on Jul 30, 2008 12:21 PM MDT up 0 recs

So, we just...

trade Fuentes to trade him? Or, do you do what O’Dowd is doing and expect a price comnensuate with his value and not just ship him off for whatever he can get? Finally gotten his stock to rise somewhat? So those All-Star appearances didn’t help? Though of course, given your reasoning, O’Dowd will only trade Fuentes for someone worthless, anyway? And even with the Monforts, we still got into the World Series Crazy world, huh?

by Since1993 on Jul 30, 2008 1:27 PM MDT up 0 recs

Thank you

I’m so tired of hearing about the trade opps out there. Seems like people just want to start dealing for the sake of making moves… both here and on the Rox official site message board. If the right offer doesn’t come around, I won’t fault O’Dowd for not pushing Tito out the door. We are right in this thing, despite the poor early season and despite the apparent wishes of many on the negative row. Let’s go Rox. Let’s win the west!

by Rox R Champs on Jul 30, 2008 1:45 PM MDT up 0 recs

Blown saves

The blown saves last year were immediately before Fuentes’ trip to the DL, correct? What are the odds that his effectiveness was hampered by an injury in those games? Just a thought.

by kosmo99 on Jul 31, 2008 7:39 AM MDT up 0 recs

Oops

This was a reply to CR Brown’s message of 4:33 CDT

by kosmo99 on Jul 31, 2008 7:40 AM MDT up 0 recs

Yes, the Rox

got on a lucky hot streak and rode it to the world series. Then they remembered who they were and didn’t show up for the world series. Does that make them an annual contender? Do you remember last year when Fuentes blew all those leads and lost his closer role? He’s back pitching close to all-star form which means he has better value now. Why not trade him? The Rox can use another outfielder who can hit for power as well as a second baseman. Make the team better while you can, so the team can be competitive in the years to come. Especially, since they’re going to lose Holiday after the season to free agency.

by CR Brown on Jul 30, 2008 3:33 PM MDT up 0 recs

No offense...

...but that may be one of the most messed up posts I’ve ever seen on any messageboard.

by DomCasual on Jul 30, 2008 3:42 PM MDT up 0 recs

Got to love

Negative Row

by Rox R Champs on Jul 30, 2008 3:47 PM MDT up 0 recs

Not trying to be a downer

Just saying, they have a chance to get some quality players from teams who need a pitcher for the back end of their bullpens. Even with Holiday signed through next year, the Rox won’t match the offers from other teams. So get some quality replacements while you can and have a descent team for more than a couple seasons, every 10 years.

by CR Brown on Jul 30, 2008 3:55 PM MDT up 0 recs

Nobody's refusing...

to ever let go of Brian Fuentes. You just have to that the trade market is…a market. We hold a valuable commodity, if we can’t sell at a profit, we don’t sell. If nobody offers better value than Fuentes for the rest of this year plus two high draft picks, no sale. If the Red Sox would give us Ellsbury and Pedroia or Clay Bochholz for Fuentes then do it, if somebody offers 4 used snow tires and a bucket of chicken, you walk away.

And you might actually try to be a downer, you’re really good at it!

by Since1993 on Jul 30, 2008 7:28 PM MDT up 0 recs

Holliday is signed

through next year

by Rox R Champs on Jul 30, 2008 3:46 PM MDT up 0 recs

Washburn has actually been decent in the last two months

but unless we want to give up a prospect we are going to have to take his salary. Doesn’t seem like a typical Rockies move.

Second half run?

by moomacher on Jul 30, 2008 10:16 AM MDT 0 recs

stiil have a winning road trip.

Gotta look on the bright side sometimes

by holliday5 on Jul 30, 2008 11:09 AM MDT 0 recs

OH MAN!!!!

Another AQUA TEEN HUNGER FORCE FAN?!? COULD I BE??

I own all the seasons + the movie. Can’t get enough.

Anyways, yes, a win today, which is likely given Cook, and we have a 4-2 road trip thus far. Baseball is a sum of its parts, am I right?

by roxintober on Jul 30, 2008 12:04 PM MDT up 0 recs

Could IT be, rather.

by roxintober on Jul 30, 2008 12:30 PM MDT up 0 recs

gotta love boxy brown

he gives it to you straight and don’t take no…shut your mouth!

by holliday5 on Jul 30, 2008 4:32 PM MDT up 0 recs

Too many prospects

We have too many prospects its time to move some of them please!

by acsguitar on Jul 30, 2008 1:34 PM MDT 0 recs

You can never have too many prospects.

by Tom (RFTN) on Jul 30, 2008 2:50 PM MDT up 0 recs

Isn't our roadtrip 3-2?

Isn’t it a 3-2 roadtrip?

by acsguitar on Jul 30, 2008 1:43 PM MDT 0 recs

IF we win today

w/ Cook on the mound then it would be 4-2 on this road trip, which is correct. That was the comment above.

Which prospects would you give up and for what?

by smokinRox on Jul 30, 2008 1:45 PM MDT up 0 recs

Players and prospects available for trading that might have value now

Fuentes
Tavares
Torrealba
Barmes
Vizciano
Herges (not sure he’s not tired and just hit a wall, so not sure there is any value at the moment)
Koshanski
One of these 3 (maybe even 2) Jason Hirsh, Franklyn Morales, Greg Reynolds
Cory Sullivan
Christian Colonel
Steven Register
Juan Morrillo
One of: Wimberly and EY jr.
Chaz Roe
Brian Hynrick
Chris Nelson
Brian Rike

I’d like to see a corner OF prospect that is rated fairly high (to eventually replace Holliday…we don’t have any closer than low A ball), and a REAL major league Pitcher…not a prospect, not a scrap heap, not a “you can have him, we don’t want him” bum….

Note that Holliday and Atkins aren’t on this list. Both could be available in the off season, but any run the Rockies may have now, will have to include these 2 players. Also any team getting these 2 players NOW, wouldn’t be sending back MLB players…or they would be in the bigs already.

Thought Clint Hurdle should be fired before it was cool.

by Redhawk on Jul 30, 2008 2:07 PM MDT up 0 recs

Also I just saw a Tracy Ringolsby Blog on RMN

in a Tracy Ringolsby video blog on RMN news today, it said, the Rockies were looking to move Fuentes, and were also looking to get a Starting Pitcher. Not a fill in guy, but a quality starting pitcher. tracy said, “they (the Rockies) have enough Josh Foggs of the world”. But Ringolsby reports that other teams are asking for Fowler, PLUS Ian Stewart, PLUS throw ins for the likes of Washburn and Arroyo, AND have the Rockies pick up the full amount of the players salaries.

RMN Sports click on the Videos in the upper right

GAH…....ok, if that’s the deal then O’Dowd, shouldn’t make a deal for a SP that bad.

Thought Clint Hurdle should be fired before it was cool.

by Redhawk on Jul 30, 2008 2:52 PM MDT up 0 recs

If...

the Rox deal away Fowler or Stewart and get less than a #1 shut down guy, I’d be pissed.

Can’t see anything happening that involves either of those guys unless the name of the pitcher we get back rhymes with Shmoy Shmallday.

by BroJB on Jul 30, 2008 3:26 PM MDT up 0 recs

Wow

All we’ve heard as we approach the deadline is how O’Dowd has overvalued Holliday and Fuentes in trade talks. If other teams are asking for that kind of package for a mediocre starter, what could O’Dowd possibly be asking for Holliday/Fuentes?

by mattrob on Jul 30, 2008 5:21 PM MDT up 0 recs

Many of these guys

I would be all for trading, but we wouldn’t get much in return for most of them for the same reason we want to get rid of them. Register and Morrillo are on the list of guys I would rather see in our current BP, which would involve getting rid of Wells and maybe Herges, which would not be easy to do, other than just releasing them. Koshansky is blocked, so I see nothing wrong w/ getting rid of him, but power hittting 1B aren’t that hard to find. Colonel, Sully, Taveras, Torre, Barmes, Wimberly, Hynick, Vizcaino, Roe, and Rike would probably not be on a short list of coveted prospects by other teams or are major leaguers w/out much to offer. I would say Roe could be if he could stay healthy for a year, and Rike is still too far away to know.

That leaves Nelson, Reynolds, Hirsh, Morales, and Fuentes. I would be ok w/ losing Fuentes for a decent SP, such as Sanchez, but it doesn’t look like anyone wants to give us that, so I don’t want to trade him for nothing. Nelson and Morales would be guys I would not part w/. Hirsh and Reynolds would depend on what the return would be and right now I don’t think it would be much.

by smokinRox on Jul 30, 2008 3:04 PM MDT up 0 recs

The real key

is HOW much value will they have? And from reading the trade rumors…not much. The only 3 that we have that any other team wants, are: Fowler, Stewart, and Chacin. And too me, their value is too high to part with.

Thought Clint Hurdle should be fired before it was cool.

by Redhawk on Jul 30, 2008 3:28 PM MDT up 0 recs

Other valuable prospects

Hector Gomez, Aneury Rodriguez, Casey Weathers.

There are young bullpen arms that I am sure would be asked about as secondary players in a big deal.

by MADness on Jul 30, 2008 3:39 PM MDT up 0 recs

what could have been

hey what was the rumored deal that the rockies declined in the offseason for Haren? who all was involved in that?

by purplesocks on Jul 30, 2008 3:08 PM MDT 0 recs

Yanks get Pudge

OK – forget about my Yorvit to the Yanks theory. Pudge goes to the Bronx for Kyle Farnsworth. Nice move (Cashman = smart), as Pudge will be the ideal fill in, and then they’ll get Type A compensation for him. Farnsworth was hated in NYC.

by BroJB on Jul 30, 2008 3:28 PM MDT 0 recs