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Game #110: De la Rosa vs Sanchez

Colorado Rockies @ Florida Marlins



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Colorado Rockies
@ Florida Marlins

Thursday, Jul 31, 2008, 5:10 PM MDT
Dolphin Stadium

Jorge De La Rosa vs Anibal Sanchez

Partly cloudy with a 30-percent chance of rain. Winds blowing out to center field at 5-10 m.p.h. Game Time temperature: Around 85.

 

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Sanchez was desired by the Rockies if the Marlins were to trade for Brian Fuentes, now it's time to make the Fish have immediate second thoughts for rejecting that deal. No facing Manny Ramirez in this series, either, although in that case it's just putting off the inevitable.

 

Go Rockies!

 

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No deadline trades

Would anybody agree with me if I said that the Rockies didn’t need to make a move, that all they need is Francis/Hirsh/Morales to get healthy & effective?

Aut Vincam Aut Periam

by PioneerSkies on Jul 31, 2008 4:15 PM MDT   0 recs

I would.

I think the pieces are there, they just need to be functioning.

by Squeaky on Jul 31, 2008 4:24 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

I agree…nothing needed to be done, but it would have been nice to get a good 5th starter and give up some of our heavy farm system.

by sprague1980 on Jul 31, 2008 4:24 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

I would agree

Though we really need to get Francis AND either Hirsh or Morales (Hirsh slightly more likely at this point) to get going.

There were no starters out there worth what was being asked. However, I think we can easily pick Fogg off waivers in a few days, and give him a start or two. I wouldn’t get my hopes up, but there’s no reason to think he’d be worse than the unholy Redman/Wells/Rusch trinity, and a bit of reason to think he’d be better.

I retract a bit of what I’ve said on Rusch, but he’s really no better than Fogg.

Watching the purple row from high atop the big brown monolith on California Ave

by Mondogarage on Jul 31, 2008 4:31 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

I think the word "effective"

is key to your post, and far from a given for any of the three, particularly this year.

by Teekalong on Jul 31, 2008 4:37 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

+1

I’ll even go as far as to say any one of the three. I do hope they make the best of the two draft picks they should get for Fuentes (assuming he’s not resigned) though. Sounds like those two picks are probably worth more than what anybody was offering in trade, plus we get Brian’s services for a couple more months. So no complaints from me today, aside from the minor annoyance of losing Arias to waivers.

by IowaRockie on Jul 31, 2008 5:09 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

I suppose

I’m trying to convince myself more than anyone else…

Aut Vincam Aut Periam

by PioneerSkies on Jul 31, 2008 5:51 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

I agree...

The Rockies dont need Josh Fogg. Once Francis is back the rotation, you’ll see Jimenez, De La Rosa, Cook, Francis and Rusch as the rotation, though not in that order. Morales you wont see until he improves his current situation and someone in the bullpen goes down to injury. The rest of the schedule is in our favor and if the Rockies are 3-4 games behind at the end of August, September is going to be exciting with 15 of the first 18 games at Coors Field.

by BlakeStBleacherBum on Jul 31, 2008 4:30 PM MDT   0 recs

Who Said the Rockies wouldn't make a move today?

Read ‘em and weep:

Astros claim Alberto Arias off of waivers

Thought Clint Hurdle should be fired before it was cool.

by Redhawk on Jul 31, 2008 4:31 PM MDT   0 recs

Option?

I thought they sent him down because he had an option left. Thought that was what I read in an article.

by sprague1980 on Jul 31, 2008 4:33 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

No

the Rockies took him off the 40 man roster when they called up Cory Sulivan and added him to the 40 man roster. When they take a guy off the 40 man the player has to clear waivers. Jason Nix cleared waivers twice this year.

I guess we can give players away at least. Arias was no star, but I thought he was an ok BP arm.

Thought Clint Hurdle should be fired before it was cool.

by Redhawk on Jul 31, 2008 4:37 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

ok

didn’t realize we took him off the 40-man

by sprague1980 on Jul 31, 2008 4:43 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Is it a bit early...

....for Hurdle to pencil Tulo in at #2 in the lineup?

I know he’s been hot and swinging the bat well, but part of that could be because he’s been in a lower pressure spot.

Watching the purple row from high atop the big brown monolith on California Ave

by Mondogarage on Jul 31, 2008 5:02 PM MDT   0 recs

ummmmm

I say let him get his feet well established and his batting average over .250. Then maybe.

by IowaRockie on Jul 31, 2008 5:11 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

My thoughts exactly

Though not Hurdle’s, apparently.

Watching the purple row from high atop the big brown monolith on California Ave

by Mondogarage on Jul 31, 2008 5:16 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Dangit

Yorvit is starting tonight, how many more homers does CDI need to hit before Hurdle lets Chris start more than a couple games in a row?

Remembering Dustin Mohr's glory years!

by MohrPlease on Jul 31, 2008 5:03 PM MDT   0 recs

Amen

I defend Hurdle and O’Dowd quite often, but I’m with you 100% on this one!

by IowaRockie on Jul 31, 2008 5:13 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Torrealba

Has been catching JDLR. I remember last time JDLR pitched, Jeff and Jack were saying that while Clint doesn’t really like to get in situations where a pitcher has a personal catcher, the two have been working really well together (it didn’t sound like only a language thing).

So while I generally agree with you, I think it has more to do with the pitcher in this case.

by holly96 on Jul 31, 2008 5:19 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Random question

As a rockies fan would you trade our history for the Marlins? Are two World Champions worth the total fire sales and ridiculously low budgets…And here’s an amazing stat to help you ponder:

Rockies 1993-2008 1164-1313 0.470
Marlins (1993-2008) 1169-1302 0.473

Five win difference in 15 years!

Second half run?

by moomacher on Jul 31, 2008 5:21 PM MDT   0 recs

I wouldn't trade it for anything

World Series titles aside, the history of the Marlins as a franchise, is shameful. Threats to move year after year, the worst budgets and payrolls, no real fan base to speak of. Sure they rented a few players for their 1997 run as nothing but a calculated gamble to get a boondoggle domed stadium.

No, they may have a better record in terms of progress once in the playoffs, but don’t forget, both clubs have made the postseason the same number of times. If we’d have somehow won it last fall, we wouldn’t really even have this conversation.

Watching the purple row from high atop the big brown monolith on California Ave

by Mondogarage on Jul 31, 2008 5:24 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

That's the key, though

“if we’d have somehow won it last fall”. We didn’t, and Florida did (twice). We didn’t even manage to win a game. They have two rings. The Cubs don’t have any for a century, the Dodgers have exactly one playoff game win since the Marlins were created. Sure it would suck to be jerked around so much, but the glory of those titles would make it all fall away. And its not like our history is littered with close calls and awesome Septembers…

by Teekalong on Jul 31, 2008 5:27 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Yup, we have no rings, but...

The Marlins have no history, no continuity, no sense of attachment. 11 years removed from their 1st World Series, and most people (Purple Row readers notwithstanding, of course), probably can’t name one player from that 1997 Marlins club.

I mean, would you rather have the franchise history of the Marlins, or of either the Cubs or Dodgers.

Watching the purple row from high atop the big brown monolith on California Ave

by Mondogarage on Jul 31, 2008 5:30 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

don't forget that

the Fish don’t have a fan base or a stadium (baseball stadium) either.

Aut Vincam Aut Periam

by PioneerSkies on Jul 31, 2008 5:42 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

I assure you

that Marlins fans can name those players. Probably moreso than any regular Rockies fan could name Rockies players from that timeframe.

by Teekalong on Jul 31, 2008 5:52 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

The Marlins have fans?

Rhetorical, sure, but given their average attendance through the years, certainly not many, never mind how much more populous the Miami-Dade County area is than here.

Watching the purple row from high atop the big brown monolith on California Ave

by Mondogarage on Jul 31, 2008 5:54 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

What difference does it make?

Are we less fans of the Rockies than Dodger fans? Yankees? Hell, I suspect the Rockies would easily fall within the bottom 5 of overall fanbases in the league. I don’t feel like less of a fan for that. Do you?

by Teekalong on Jul 31, 2008 5:59 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Maybe I'm not making my point clearly enough

There are very few fans of the Marlins…very few. So while those very few may remember a couple players from the 1997 team, it almost doesn’t matter. That franchise’s history has driven so many people away from fandom that having won two rings hasn’t mattered.

Watching the purple row from high atop the big brown monolith on California Ave

by Mondogarage on Jul 31, 2008 6:01 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Whatever

I suspect that the Marlins’ gate isn’t dramatically different from Denver’s over the same time period. And even if it is, so what? We’re talking about what history each of us would rather have.

by Teekalong on Jul 31, 2008 6:03 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

History

Yes, and a franchise history goes well beyond strictly wins and losses. I guess we differ on that, but that’s cool. I’m outta here…driving home to watch the game.

Watching the purple row from high atop the big brown monolith on California Ave

by Mondogarage on Jul 31, 2008 6:05 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Not necessarily

conceding the point, but man are there some empty seats in fish stadium tonite…

by Teekalong on Jul 31, 2008 6:09 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

and every night

Aut Vincam Aut Periam

by PioneerSkies on Jul 31, 2008 6:09 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

I give them a little break

because of the rain delay, but yeah. I think this is pretty close to typical, at least for a weekday game.

by holly96 on Jul 31, 2008 6:13 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

That is an interesting question

but I don’t think it took me more than 5 seconds to decide for the Fish. The WS last year was unreal, and we got crushed. I can’t imagine how it would feel to win one of those things, let alone winning two. And the fire sales certainly are lame, but not too far different from just never really signing anyone expensive for 5 years and not being competitive.

by Teekalong on Jul 31, 2008 5:25 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

I'm personally of two minds

obviously the rockies are in a better place from a long term franchise perspective. Consider attendance so far this year. We are averaging double the attendance they are. But the Marlins seem much better at getting rid of veterans and reloading than we do. Less sentimental.

Second half run?

by moomacher on Jul 31, 2008 5:31 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

I'll

take the WS title, it’s why you play the game. Ask any of the players.

by DieHardRox on Jul 31, 2008 5:44 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Are you kidding?

I would trade my right arm for a local team that won two championships in its first 11 years of existence, as the Marlins have done. They’ve also had far better homegrown talent come up over the years, from Josh Beckett to Miguel Cabrera. What a great franchise the Rockies would be here in Denver, in our venue, with our fans, if we had been 2-time champions. We would still be selling out half the games.

by GoRoxGo on Jul 31, 2008 5:54 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

When did that happen?

Time for delicious retro nite

Second half run?

by moomacher on Jul 31, 2008 6:10 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

I'll just say

That I wouldn’t trade last Sept. and Rocktober for love nor money. Yeah, we got our butts kicked in the Series. So?

We lived history last fall. Not with a bunch of rentals, but with our home-growns largely. It was the most exciting period in sports that I’ve ever lived through. The Fish can have their rings. We’ll get ours someday. But I’ll never ever forget the fall of 2007.

Put me out of my misery. Please!

by rockhead on Jul 31, 2008 5:32 PM MDT   0 recs

That was a

once in a lifetime run but the long layoff killed us. You can’t not play real games for that long and expect to compete.

by DieHardRox on Jul 31, 2008 5:47 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Damn Indians

Second half run?

by moomacher on Jul 31, 2008 5:48 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Full list

Tony Armas Jr. (31)
Kris Benson (33)
A.J. Burnett (32) – can opt out after ‘08 season
Paul Byrd (38)
Roger Clemens (46)
Matt Clement (33) – $8.75MM club option for ‘09 with a $0.25MM buyout
Ryan Dempster (32)
Josh Fogg (32)
Jon Garland (29)
Tom Glavine (43)
Mike Hampton (36)
Mark Hendrickson (35)
Livan Hernandez (34)
Orlando Hernandez (43)
Jason Jennings (30)
Randy Johnson (45)
John Lackey (30) – $9MM club option for ‘09 with a $0.5MM buyout
Jon Lieber (39)
Esteban Loaiza (37) – $7.5MM club option for ‘09 with a $0.375MM buyout
Braden Looper (34)
Derek Lowe (36)
Greg Maddux (43)
Pedro Martinez (37)
Jamie Moyer (46)
Mark Mulder (31) – $11MM club option for ‘09 with a $1.5MM buyout
Mike Mussina (40)
Carl Pavano (33) – $13MM club option for ‘09 with a $1.95MM buyout
Brad Penny (31) – $8.75MM club option for ‘09 with a $2MM buyout
Odalis Perez (32)
Oliver Perez (27)
Andy Pettitte (37)
Mark Prior (27)
Kenny Rogers (44)
C.C. Sabathia (28)
Curt Schilling (42)
Ben Sheets (30)
John Smoltz (42) – $12MM club option for ‘09
Brett Tomko (36)
Tim Wakefield (42) – perpetual $4MM club option
Kip Wells (32)
Randy Wolf (32)

Second half run?

by moomacher on Jul 31, 2008 6:19 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

And we are back...

Second half run?

by moomacher on Jul 31, 2008 5:48 PM MDT   0 recs

Please continue to win tonight. that is all.

...and I got a new sig.

I want one of these unis. I don't care what you say, those are awesome.

by The Lodo Magic Man on Jul 31, 2008 5:51 PM MDT   0 recs

We really were not able to make a trade with this surplus of OF and IF?

At least for a solid #2 guy?

I want one of these unis. I don't care what you say, it looks awesome.

by The Lodo Magic Man on Jul 31, 2008 5:54 PM MDT   0 recs

From what I heard

teams were all asking for Fowler and/or Stewart.

by holly96 on Jul 31, 2008 5:57 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

imho

those guys and Chacin are untouchable.

Aut Vincam Aut Periam

by PioneerSkies on Jul 31, 2008 5:58 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Exactly.

And I think this was even for guys like Washburn or that Duscherer guy in Oakland. Probably not #2s.

by holly96 on Jul 31, 2008 6:00 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Billy Beane = Used Car Salesman

I want one of these unis. I don't care what you say, it looks awesome.

by The Lodo Magic Man on Jul 31, 2008 6:02 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

no no,

Bud Selig was the used car salesman.

Aut Vincam Aut Periam

by PioneerSkies on Jul 31, 2008 6:04 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

A better option over the winter

Signing Derek Lowe to a 3 year deal?

Watching the purple row from high atop the big brown monolith on California Ave

by Mondogarage on Jul 31, 2008 6:05 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

If I was this team, I would seriously look at him, at least 1-2 years.

Sinker…

I want one of these unis. I don't care what you say, it looks awesome.

by The Lodo Magic Man on Jul 31, 2008 6:06 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

36 yrs old

just don’t pay too much

Aut Vincam Aut Periam

by PioneerSkies on Jul 31, 2008 6:08 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Some good FA pitching this winter

Sheets, Penny, Lackey…erm actually thats about it…

Second half run?

by moomacher on Jul 31, 2008 6:10 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Sure, sure, sure

I’ll take any of those guys please

by Teekalong on Jul 31, 2008 6:10 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

also

CC Sabathia, Josh Fogg, Jon Garland, Oliver & Odalis Perez…

Aut Vincam Aut Periam

by PioneerSkies on Jul 31, 2008 6:13 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

He's been nuts lately

really on his game right now. Probably would be cost prohibitive, though.

by Teekalong on Jul 31, 2008 6:10 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

This may be an odd question...

but it’s probably the only place that I’ll get an answer.

I need to know that Fowler’s number will be when he comes to the BIG SHOW. It’s 24 now, but that’s Stewarts number.

I want to buy a personalized t-shirt jersey with his name on it….but I want the appropiate number. Doubt it’s possible to figure it out, but I thought it’d be worth asking.

by roxintober on Jul 31, 2008 5:54 PM MDT   0 recs

I don't think he will decide until he gets to the MLB club.

I want one of these unis. I don't care what you say, it looks awesome.

by The Lodo Magic Man on Jul 31, 2008 5:56 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Impossible to figure, but unlikely

As long as Stewart stays up with the club, there’s no chance (unless Stewart gives it up willingly).

Remember when Tulo first came up? He wasn’t #2….

Watching the purple row from high atop the big brown monolith on California Ave

by Mondogarage on Jul 31, 2008 5:56 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

might as well

stick w/ 24 until further notice

Aut Vincam Aut Periam

by PioneerSkies on Jul 31, 2008 5:57 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

I've got the answer...

He’ll take whatever number Gallego’s wearing at the time. That’s what everyone else seems to do.

Watching the purple row from high atop the big brown monolith on California Ave

by Mondogarage on Jul 31, 2008 5:58 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

You could get a Drillers or Sky Sox jersey.

Do those have names on the back?

I want one of these unis. I don't care what you say, it looks awesome.

by The Lodo Magic Man on Jul 31, 2008 5:59 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Bah Matt..

that would not have been a strike.

I want one of these unis. I don't care what you say, it looks awesome.

by The Lodo Magic Man on Jul 31, 2008 5:57 PM MDT   0 recs

Backwards K for you!

I want one of these unis. I don't care what you say, it looks awesome.

by The Lodo Magic Man on Jul 31, 2008 6:02 PM MDT   0 recs

2 Ks

to lead off the game for JDLR, I like where this is going

Remembering Dustin Mohr's glory years!

by MohrPlease on Jul 31, 2008 6:03 PM MDT   0 recs

Not now...

I want one of these unis. I don't care what you say, it looks awesome.

by The Lodo Magic Man on Jul 31, 2008 6:03 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

boo cantu

Aut Vincam Aut Periam

by PioneerSkies on Jul 31, 2008 6:04 PM MDT   0 recs

Darn

But that’s okay. I can deal with a solo homerun if JDLR let’s it go and keeps pitching like he did for the first two batters. Doesn’t look like it was a bad pitch, either.

by holly96 on Jul 31, 2008 6:05 PM MDT   0 recs

I have to ask...

is Cody Ross going to absolutely murder us again?

Remembering Dustin Mohr's glory years!

by MohrPlease on Jul 31, 2008 6:05 PM MDT   0 recs

Ha ha

picked off.

I want one of these unis. I don't care what you say, it looks awesome.

by The Lodo Magic Man on Jul 31, 2008 6:08 PM MDT   0 recs

take that, hammer!

Aut Vincam Aut Periam

by PioneerSkies on Jul 31, 2008 6:09 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs