Reynolds to AAA for Rusch, Tulo on DL part 2....holy cow!
the bad news (link) I wake up this morning after the magic of last night to the horrifying news that Greg Reynolds has been sent down to AAA and Tulo has injured himself once again. Tulo will have to have surgery on his thumb, which was injured due to the fact he slammed a bat while being taken out of last night's 18-17 win. Seth Smith and Glendon Rusch will be called up as replacements.
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Unbelieveable
Damn stupid thing for Tulo to go and do – even if I certainly agree with the sentiment behind his actions (Lord, was that a curious double switch), that’s just the kind of crap you can’t do if you want to be a leader on this team. I’m very disappointed in him, just as disappointed as I am that I don’t get to see him play for a while. At least the thumb isn’t broken so hopefully this won’t be much longer than the 2 weeks that is customary.
The move to send Reynolds down is one I ultimately agree with, even though I think replacing him with Rusch will have a pretty negligible effect. I like Reynolds’ stuff and haven’t lost faith in him in the long term, but he can’t put away hitters with the KO pitch right now and he needs to develop one.
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by Franchise26 on Jul 5, 2008 11:39 AM MDT 0 recs
We passed on Longoria and Lincecum.....
to draft Reynolds, someone who scouts thought would be around the 15th pick in the draft. Horrible, horrible pick for the #2 overall when there were higher ceiling impact prospects out there to be had.
The rap on Reynolds from the start was that he “pitched to contact” and “didn’t miss bats”, and was projected to have the upside to be a #3 or #4 starter in the league. Why someone like that should go 2nd overall is beyond me.
This may go down as O’Dowd’s worst 1st round draft pick ever (if you don’t count Harrington who never signed).
by GoRoxGo on Jul 5, 2008 12:26 PM MDT 0 recs
Re: Reynolds
It’s an unfortunate thing, but Reynolds is going to be kinda behind the 8-ball his entire career because of the success of two of the guys drafted behind him. Sure, I wish we’d drafted Longoria or Lincecum based on what they’ve done so far in their careers. But we didn’t. Oh, well. As for Reynolds, I’m not going to write the guy off yet and I do believe he’ll be a solid mid-rotation contributor somewhere along the line. That’s not as good as what Longoria or Lincecum will be, though, and hopefully Reynolds doesn’t collapse under the weight that will (and has already) come with NOT being those two guys.
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by Franchise26 on
Jul 5, 2008 12:43 PM MDT
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O'Dowd scouted a 2006 Stanford-Washington game...
in which Reynolds opposed Lincecum, and came away more impressed with Reynolds. That tells you about his scouting acumen.
And the others were correct…Reynolds sure does pitch to contact!
You’re absolutely right about this—the Rockies squandered a chance to get a premium player with the highest pick they’re ever likely to have. This bungled opportunity will haunt them for years. But, hey, when you’re guaranteed lifetime jobs like O’Dowd and Hurdle, what’s the big deal?
by alex colfax on
Jul 5, 2008 12:44 PM MDT
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That game
Here’s the boxscore from that game, just for the sake of history.
And you can’t really think that was the only time anybody with the Rockies organization saw Reynolds pitch. But hey, if your hard-on for ripping Dan O’Dowd is raging that much, go right ahead and indulge yourself.
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by Franchise26 on
Jul 5, 2008 12:51 PM MDT
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You think this was a good pick?
Would you really rather have Reynolds now than Lincecum, Longoria or Miller?
by moose14 on
Jul 5, 2008 1:10 PM MDT
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No
Read my first comment. Yes, I would rather have Lincecum or Longoria. But I’m not ready to call this a bad pick on its own merits just 12-13 games into Greg Reynolds’ big league career.
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by Franchise26 on
Jul 5, 2008 1:15 PM MDT
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I agree with you...
These comments are no longer about Reynolds, but instead are barbs solely intent on showing that the general manager of the team is incompetent. In the crossfire is a promising kid who still has a lot of talent but as long as the agenda of certain fans solely intent on replacing our GM with their next favorite idiot to bash (and likely also replacing our owners with other tight fisted cheapskates) remains unfulfilled, Reynolds will wind up getting the shaft.
It’s a grass is always greener neighbor envy rather than a meaningful addition to the dialog to keep on rehashing the Lincecum/Longoria aspect over and over again. I’d rather we focus on what’s wrong with Greg (the lack of that out pitch) and how to fix it rather than wistfully wishing for what might have been.
by Rox Girl on
Jul 5, 2008 1:37 PM MDT
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Please tell me what we as fans...
can possibly contribute to fixing Reynolds’ problems. As far as I know, there are no pitching coaches among us.
The fact is, most pitchers struggle at the outset of their careers. I remember watching Maddux (6-14, 5.61) and Glavine (7-17, 4.56) in their first seasons.
As for Reynolds, no one knows what’s in his future. Surely we all hope for the best. But isn’t the lack of an out pitch pretty significant for any pitcher, let alone one drafted second overall? I’m not being sarcastic; I mean that as a legitimate question.
by alex colfax on
Jul 5, 2008 2:20 PM MDT
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Thanks for the reminder
I almost forgot to take former big league pitching coach off my resume in the application to the cushy university post I’m after. Of course none of us are pitching coaches, but your feigned sincerity in your question still is meant to drive away from discussing Reynolds and to a discussion of why missing on that one draft pick is a reason for calling for O’Dowd’s head on a spike.
I’m not saying O’Dowd’s a great general manager, but the amateur draft isn’t the place to attack him, since he started in 2000, he’s had 26 drafted and signed players make the majors, not all of them with the Rockies. While it’s been noted that none have made an All-Star appearance, those players combine for a hefty chunk of value over replacement. It’s going to take time to sort out who’s the best of the decade at drafting, but the Rockies are, barring a catastrophe considerably bigger than a Reynolds flop over the next five years, going to rank at least in the top ten of value drafted this decade. I’d say that the Red Sox will probably be measured as the best drafters of the decade, but Rockies are certainly better than most at it. The 2000 and 2004 drafts in particular were very strong, and the others have ranged from piss poor (2001) to whatever, at any rate. Go after O’Dowd for his ideas of veteran relief help, with which the exception of Matt Herges have almost universally ended in disaster, or go after him for not having the coaches to get the talent out of guys like Reynolds or Morales, but the draft isn’t really a weakness when measured up against the results of other teams.
by Rox Girl on
Jul 5, 2008 6:17 PM MDT
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My sincerity was not 'feigned'...
I meant the question as legitimate…that’s why I added the last sentence. I regret that you didn’t take me at my word, but my question was a serious one.
My comment above was STRICTLY about Reynolds. It had nothing to do with anyone the Rockies might have taken instead. And it had nothing to do with their past draft history.
I made one post critical of O’Dowd today; I never said he should be be fired and I never wrote anything regarding his past draft history. Someone else (GoRoxGo) posted extensively about the past drafts; I believe you have mistaken his words for mine.
by alex colfax on
Jul 5, 2008 8:56 PM MDT
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To be honest...
I like O’Dowd’s drafts better than Gebhard’s. He was always taking signable high-school pitchers first, even when the Rockies led all of baseball in attendance for seven straight years. Westbrook was the best of those prep pitchers, and he was traded pretty quickly.
Helton and Jennings were notable successes, along with Holliday. But overall Gebhard’s drafts did not provide enough talent coming through the system.
by alex colfax on
Jul 5, 2008 11:33 PM MDT
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Ugh
looking more and more like the FO whiffed with both Reynolds and Weathers….you simply can’t screw up top ten picks like that if you are a team that wants to build internally. Thank god we have a decent LatAm scouting operation.
The 2008 Rockies: All loses, all season
by moomacher on Jul 5, 2008 12:45 PM MDT 0 recs
Whiffed on Weathers?
Not sure where you’re getting that – I don’t even think you’re in the ballpark on that evaluation.
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by Franchise26 on
Jul 5, 2008 12:47 PM MDT
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Rivera
Unless Weathers turns out to be Mariano Rivera picking him that high is always going to have been an overdraft.
by MADness on
Jul 5, 2008 12:54 PM MDT
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And
We won’t even let the guy get to the big league level before we mark him down as a bad draft pick.
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by Franchise26 on
Jul 5, 2008 1:01 PM MDT
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We drafted a college closer number #8 and more then a year later he is still in AA
Not saying weathers won’t be good, just that there was higher impact talent available
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by moomacher on
Jul 5, 2008 12:55 PM MDT
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Take a look at the 07 Draft again
Weathers is probably a better prospect than everyone taken in the first round after him short of Porcello, the two young Giants arms (Bumgardner and Alderson) and the Braves OF Heyward.
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by Franchise26 on
Jul 5, 2008 12:59 PM MDT
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I'd add Parker and Aumont to that list
A top of the rotation start has more value than a closer.
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by moomacher on
Jul 5, 2008 1:01 PM MDT
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Fair enough
Parker hasn’t blown away the MWL or anything but for a 19 year old he’s been pretty good. Still, I’ve read some reports where scouts haven’t been overly impressed with him. That’s why I didn’t have Parker on my list of guys. Aumont’s been better than Parker but there are still some concerns about his mechanics and his secondary stuff. That’s why I don’t necessarily agree with you that we’re better off with one of them in our system than Weathers, but their numbers to this point do suggest that they are fine prospects.
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by Franchise26 on
Jul 5, 2008 1:08 PM MDT
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Elaborating on Parker
I found the article I was thinking of, which wasn’t as pessimistic as I remembered but did give the sense that maybe he didn’t have the polish that some scouts expected he would. The article is a Baseball Prospectus pay article, so if you are a subscriber you can read it here.
Upon reading it I’ll back off of my criticism of Parker just a bit but I still like the polished college reliever over the not-as-polished high school starter. But hey, that’s me.
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by Franchise26 on
Jul 5, 2008 1:13 PM MDT
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Sickels has a post up today on Bumgarner and Alderson
http://www.minorleagueball.com/2008/7/5/564251/tim-alderson-or-madison-bu
Thank god the giants have had less success drafting position players.
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by moomacher on
Jul 5, 2008 1:21 PM MDT
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We're
ripping Casey Weathers already? That’s pretty stupid, even by PR standards.
I’m guessing we’ll see him in the big leagues in September, which is a quick turnaround on a draft pick.
Reynolds was a reach at the time, and he’s proving it now. Longoria would have been the better pick, but we can’t bitch about that forever.
by rosenthal on
Jul 5, 2008 1:25 PM MDT
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The point is
We dislike how this front office always seems to draft the “safe” pick and never picks a high-risk, high-impact kind of player. That’s what Reynolds and Weathers were.
by Tom (RFTN) on
Jul 5, 2008 1:27 PM MDT
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Yup
We never take a high-risk, high-reward player. Especially not in the first round. We would never do that.
Rosenthal… do we actually agree with each other? Stop the presses… ha ha.
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by Franchise26 on
Jul 5, 2008 1:31 PM MDT
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The high-risk, high-reward
picks are stupid to do all the time.
Drafting Longoria wouldn’t have been a HR,HR pick, though. Steering clear of Anthony Hewitt this year was nice.
Who was that first guy? Choo?
by rosenthal on
Jul 5, 2008 1:42 PM MDT
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First guy
That would be Dexter Fowler. Although Choo probably would have qualified under that label as well.
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by Franchise26 on
Jul 5, 2008 1:44 PM MDT
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Oh come on
You have to choose guys that won’t pan out, like Doug Million.
Too soon?
by rosenthal on
Jul 5, 2008 1:52 PM MDT
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The idea
was to just show guys with the H-R, H-R designation, regardless of their current success and projected future success, to show that the Rockies have by no means shied away from taking players like that in their recent history.
The Million pick was under a different regime, but that was another example of a high-ceiling high school arm who was really struggling at the lower levels below his tragic death.
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by Franchise26 on
Jul 5, 2008 1:55 PM MDT
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Holliday
As I recall, Holliday was a high risk/high reward pick paid well over slot in a later round to sign. Personally, I didn’t think much of him as a player all the while he was in the minors putting up pretty pedestrian numbers. Proved me wrong! And that’s baseball, and why I love it.
by IowaRockie on
Jul 5, 2008 2:26 PM MDT
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I think
he has a chemist to thank for his successes.
by rosenthal on
Jul 5, 2008 3:11 PM MDT
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The fact
that he looks like the Incredible Hulk.
I’m under the belief that almost every MLB player is using some kind of PED, particularly 6-4, 235 pound sluggers who are still fast enough to steal bases.
In Tulsa, the year before he came to the bigs, he hit .250 with a dozen or so home runs.
Suddenly, he bulks up and can hit major league pitching! I suppose it’s possible he worked that hard, but you’d have to be kidding yourself if you think the Mitchell Report named every baseball player using PEDs.
by rosenthal on
Jul 5, 2008 11:32 PM MDT
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Yeah, but...
I prefer to give our guys the benefit of the doubt – innocent until proven guilty, and all of that.
The guy is a natural athlete, who possibly could be playing in the NFL right now, had he pursued football instead of baseball. And there were a lot of late developers before the steroid era – it’s not as if the concept is unthinkable.
by DomCasual on
Jul 5, 2008 11:40 PM MDT
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I could be wrong
but doesn’t Reynolds have a loser GB/FB ratio than Cook does? (Obviously it’s lower, but I want to say it was extremely lower).
Either way, it isn’t god to get a contact pitcher in Colorado, even Aaron Cook.
by rosenthal on
Jul 5, 2008 2:00 PM MDT
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Longoria
was quoted as not wanting to come here because that was the height of the “God Squad” publicity.
by DieHardRox on Jul 5, 2008 1:34 PM MDT 0 recs
re:
I remember hearing something to that effect, but I figured that was just a rumor and never saw a direct quote from Longoria about that. If that’s out there, I’d love to see it.
But even if it were – had the Rockies really wanted the guy they’d have taken him. The signing bonus he would have gotten for being #2 in the draft would have had him saying ‘Hallelujah’ soon enough.
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by Franchise26 on
Jul 5, 2008 1:37 PM MDT
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I dont believe any such quote exists...
And if you could find it, I’d like to see it. I believe it was one of those rumors of “people close to” Longoria saying something to that effect rather than Longoria himself, and the rumor was later debunked if I remember correctly.
by Rox Girl on
Jul 5, 2008 1:42 PM MDT
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Yeah
I’d perform a reach-around on O’Dowd while reading the bible for 7 figures. I’m guessing Longoria is the same way. Maybe not exactly.
by rosenthal on
Jul 5, 2008 1:43 PM MDT
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Come on
This is directed at no one in particular, but rather whiners and fair-weather fans in general: Yeah, I thought the two drafts prior to this years were too conservative myself…. But come on! To rip O’Dowd and the Rockies scouting department makes no sense. Anybody remember the days when the best our minor league system could produce any given year was a Jason Bates caliber player (no offense to Bates who was a fine utility player)? What O’Dowd has done with this team (World Series last year, and a good core of youngsters in the majors and minors) has been a model in player scouting and development. Done on the cheap, but done very well. Fact of the matter is, baseball (especially for small market teams) is a game of patience. We’re not going to the play-offs every year. That’s the attitude that created all the misery in the 1990’s. Not every draft pick is going to be an all-star either, but we’ve had a pretty decent run considering dang near all of our NL championship team came from within.
As for Reynolds….. Do you watch baseball on a regular basis? Do you have any idea how many top young pitching prospects take years shifting from AAA to MLB to iron out the kinks? Look at what Nolan Ryan did his first couple years some time. WAY to early to start ragging on Reynolds. Just like it was too early to rag on Baker, Barmes, Q, Cook, Buckyz, and well…. I think just about every player who ever put on a Rockie uniform and went 0-4 or got lit up at Coors Field.
It’s a game. If you find yourself filled with hatred and rage every time your team loses or a draft pick doesn’t pan out, I’d suggest you follow a large market team. I’m going to stay right here, because it’s my team. On the bad days I try to find a positive, and on the good days I gloat.
by IowaRockie on Jul 5, 2008 1:51 PM MDT 0 recs
Agreed
Being a fan should never lead to a smoldering, deeply-held feeling of misery. (Unless you’re from Cleveland.)
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by Franchise26 on
Jul 5, 2008 2:01 PM MDT
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No All-Stars....
You credit O’Dowd for his alledged acumen at accumulating prospect talent, but yet the fact is that not a single player that O’Dowd’s team has signed has gone on to become an All-Star. Holliday was signed by Gebhard. So was Atkins and Hawpe. Fuentes was traded here by Seattle for Cirillo (good job there by O’Dowd). But the fact remains that Dan has yet to draft or sign a future All-Star.
O’Dowd, in my book, is over-rated by some Rockies fans until that happens.
by GoRoxGo on
Jul 5, 2008 2:22 PM MDT
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WRONG
Atkins and Hawpe were from the 2000 draft. That was O’Dowd’s first.
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by Franchise26 on
Jul 5, 2008 2:24 PM MDT
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My bad....
but the fact remains. Neither Atkins nor Hawpe have become All-Stars yet, and it won’t happen this year either.
by GoRoxGo on
Jul 5, 2008 2:25 PM MDT
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So until they do...
They’re not any good and Dan O’Dowd deserves no credit for identifying them in the draft.
Ridiculous. Utterly and completely ridiculous.
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by Franchise26 on
Jul 5, 2008 2:25 PM MDT
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I agree with you here
Fan voting is such a crock anyway that All-Star selections are popularity contests, only occasionally rewarding a player who deserves it (Josh Hamilton in the leaderboards this year comes to mind).
We are all dead.
by Silverblood on
Jul 5, 2008 2:26 PM MDT
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All-Stars reserves are picked
largely on merit, though the need to pick a player from every team distorts that quite a bit.
by GoRoxGo on
Jul 5, 2008 2:27 PM MDT
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I didn't say that....
so stop misquoting me. I said, in my view, that O’Dowd is over-rated by you and other supporters until his amateur signings result in All-Stars. They haven’t. That’s a fact.
by GoRoxGo on
Jul 5, 2008 2:27 PM MDT
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All star is a popularity contest
Has more to do with where they play than how they play.
by IowaRockie on
Jul 5, 2008 2:28 PM MDT
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So...
if his amateur signings result in guys who regularly hit 300 with 25-30 homers and 100 RBIs, or damn near win Gold Gloves and Rookie of the Year awards, or win 17 games in a season to tie a franchise record… that’s irrelevant because they take three-day vacations in the middle of July? That’s STUPID, man. I’m sorry, but it is. It’s you having a hard on for ripping Dan O’Dowd and doing it with an entirely specious argument.
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by Franchise26 on
Jul 5, 2008 2:29 PM MDT
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A blind squirrel will....
find the acorn now and then. Broken clocks are also right twice a day. O’Dowd has drafted three solid big-league regulars that you’ve identified in Hawpe, Atkins, and Francis. He has had 9 amateur drafts here in order to do so. Two of them came from that first draft.
To me, this is a sketchy and mediocre record, at best. Yes, being named to the All-Star team is an arbitraty “marker” of GM drafting/signing effectiveness. But it does illustrate that Dan has never obtained a player with anything close to HOF or perennial All-Star production. A few solid citizen players, but not much else.
For a team that relies on internal development so much, count me among the unimpressed.
by GoRoxGo on
Jul 5, 2008 2:38 PM MDT
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I suppose...
Tulowitzki doesn’t count. Iannetta, Baker, Spilborghs? Garbage. Jimenez? Worthless.
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by Franchise26 on
Jul 5, 2008 2:42 PM MDT
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To make my point clearer
14 of the 25 men on the roster at the end of the season for the Rockies were products of the Rockies farm system. Of course, that roster was good enough to play in the World Series, but hey, none of those 14 went to the All-Star game, so screw that O’Dowd guy.
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by Franchise26 on
Jul 5, 2008 2:43 PM MDT
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And, no,
the ‘broken clock’ argument is not an argument. It’s an axe being grinded. Either O’Dowd has drafted, signed, and developed good players or he hasn’t. And you know what? There’s some pretty convincing evidence that he has.
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by Franchise26 on
Jul 5, 2008 2:45 PM MDT
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Of course we are a home-grown team
but that only proves that we are devoting resources to bringing talent in from outside the organziation. It’s not proof of O’Dowd’s drafting/signing or the org’s. development skills.
Of course, very few GMs would break out of the pack using my “All-Star” criteria. But if you’re gonna rely on homegrown players in your model of success, you better damn well have one of the best GM’s at finding the gems in the draft. O’Dowd has been hit and miss at this aspect of his job.
by GoRoxGo on
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What?
We are a home-grown team, “but that only proves that we are devoting resources to bringing talent in from outside the organziation” ???
Huh? The definition of home-grown is growing – drafting, signing, developing – your OWN players. That by it’s very nature is proof of what O’Dowd has done drafting and signing within the organization.
You’re not even making sense anymore.
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by Franchise26 on
Jul 5, 2008 2:49 PM MDT
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None are proven regulars....
over mutliple seasons yet. Yes, one or more may prove out to be in the Hawpe or Atkins category. Tulo, specifically, is a keeper who could develop to be a multiyear All-Star despite his poor showing this year.
O’Dowd is mediocre at drafting players, is my point. Good L.A. scouting resulted in Jimenez and others. We’ll see about the rest.
by GoRoxGo on
Jul 5, 2008 2:44 PM MDT
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Latin America
It was O’Dowd who pushed for a greater presence in Latin America and began sending more scouts and resources to that part of the country. Like it or not, he deserves credit for that influx of talented players.
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by Franchise26 on
Jul 5, 2008 2:47 PM MDT
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O'Dowd has done some things right.....
but to many fans here, he’s some sort of saint. He’s not. I would say he’s an “averagish” GM. Good at some aspects (L.A. scouting, assembling decent bullpens on the cheap, etc.) and below average at other aspects of his job. Drafting, especially the 1st rounders, has not been among his stronger suits here. And’ that is damaging for a team relying on a steady influx of impact talent.
by GoRoxGo on
Jul 5, 2008 2:51 PM MDT
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Au contraire
I’d love to meet the fan on Purple Row who thinks Dan O’Dowd is a saint. Are you sure you’re in the right place? Last I checked this entire thread, other than me, Rox Girl, and IowaRockie, has been an O’Dowd hate fest for the Reynolds pick.
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by Franchise26 on
Jul 5, 2008 2:53 PM MDT
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You're right....
O’Dowd and Hurdle have worn out their welcomes here with the majority of fans, and some of us don’t get why they still have such supporters here. Just because of one miraculous month out of all these years, it justifies keeping these two around here for another X number of years without accountability for this trainwreck of a season?
Don’t forget, last night’s thriller notwithstanding, we sit here today on July 5th with the Rockies sporting the 3rd worst record in the NL and about a 3.5% chance to make the playoffs, according to coolstandings.com. One miracle month does not excuse the management for other failures previous and subsequent to that, IMO.
by GoRoxGo on
Jul 5, 2008 3:03 PM MDT
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Your original argument
You wrote: “You credit O’Dowd for his alledged acumen at accumulating prospect talent, but yet the fact is that not a single player that O’Dowd’s team has signed has gone on to become an All-Star”
So should I now ammend that to read: Aside from the strong latin america program, the world series, some good trades, and a core of (mostly non-all-star) players developed through the farm system..... Dan O'Dowd has done nothing right?
by IowaRockie on
Jul 5, 2008 2:55 PM MDT
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Can't read your question.....
Try reposting it.
Alex Colfax expresssed mine and most others’ sentiments in his first post here. What we find distasteful is that O’Dowd and Hurdle seemingly are like tenured professors here. They are never held accountable for anything and can’t be fired, apparently. So, to whiff on a #2 overall pick like Reynolds is pretty egregious and I don’t blame fans for being angry one bit.
by GoRoxGo on
Jul 5, 2008 2:58 PM MDT
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Repost
I was trying to clarify what exactly your argument was from the beginning as you seemed to waver, but I think you have brought up the key issue here. Because of picking Reynolds and keeping Hurdle, O’Dowd should be fired?
by IowaRockie on
Jul 5, 2008 3:02 PM MDT
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I have not recommended firing O'Dowd....
though it’s an option for ownership to consider if the team can become more competitve this season. The fact is that THIS was the year that the rebuliding plan, started in 2002, would result in us being perrenial contenders. It hasn’t happened yet, despite that great Rockober run, so O’Dowd SHOULD rightfully be on the hotseat if he doesn’t produce a consistent winner, and produce one soon. Hurdle should as well.
by GoRoxGo on
Jul 5, 2008 3:06 PM MDT
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if the team CAN'T
become more competitve this season is what I meant.
by GoRoxGo on
Jul 5, 2008 3:06 PM MDT
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Seriously?
Do you remember the state this team was in when he started? It was a long process to get here, but I like it here. We admittedly have had a miserable year, but frankly we were ahead of schedule last year. I’m not without concerns. I don’t think our minor leagues is as flush as it was last year due to promotions, and there is a consistancy that’s seriously lacking, but I look towards next year and think: We are a legitimate contender going into the season. Of course that could all go to Hell real fast like it did this year, but that’s a risk for nearly every major league team, and an all-to-often reality for anybody not playing in the major markets. The fact that I can look at next year and think: If more goes right than wrong (player performance wise) and we can make just a couple roster tweaks over the Winter….. We could be a contender….. That’s pretty much all a fan can ask in my book. The talent’s there. Will it come together? Will they play up to their abilities? Will injuries plague us? Who knows. But it is there, AND it has come together in the very recent past. The rest is why they play 162 games. There are no givens, as should be illustrated by the entire NL West this year. The worst division was supposed to be the best going into the season. That’s baseball.
by IowaRockie on
Jul 5, 2008 3:20 PM MDT
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Your optimism....
is not without basis. Baseball teams walk the fine line between ineptitude and greatness all the time. A few lucky breaks here and there, and we could be contenders again.
My beef is that if O’Dowd and Hurdle had done their jobs halfway well in the past 8 months, we could have probably eeked out 3 or 4 more wins this season than we already have. Then, we’d be 3 or 4 games out instead of 7 games behind, and RIGHT THERE for a second half run.
Instead, we got Dan’s deals that brought us rag-arm Vizcaino, Nix as a wasted April starting 2nd baseman, Wells, Redman, Rusc


