Game #91: Redman vs. Sabathia
by Russ Oates on Jul 8, 2008 5:00 PM MDT
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What better way is there to welcome Sabathia to the National League then to wallop him? Yeah, I know, many of you have your doubts about that. It could happen.
Go Rockies!
Have to whip up my own stat table for Sabathia since our stat provider doesn't have his Cleveland numbers available.
| W-L | G | GS | CG | SHO | SV | BS | IP | H | R | ER | HR | BB | K | ERA | WHIP | |
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C.C Sabathia |
6-8 | 18 | 18 | 3 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 122.3 | 117 | 54 | 52 | 13 | 34 | 123 | 3.83 | 1.23 |
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Anyone else surprised by this Harden/Gaudin trade?
Cubs basically traded spare parts in the other direction. Like the equivalent of Spilly/Barmes/McKenry/Morales?
The 2008 Rockies: All loses, all season
I wouldn't call those players spare parts
In fact Oakland did quite well getting value from a guy that CANNOT stay healthy and has watched his velocity decline in recent weeks. Harden has ZERO reliability and very little in game durability. He basically can throw effectively for 90 pitches, and his start Sunday was merely so-so.
Gallagher- Number three type with good curve and innings eating body. Not the better single game competitor that Harden is, but over the course of a season, I’m not so sure Gallagher’s value wouldn’t be higher.
Murton- Not a huge fan, as he’s a borderline starter/fourth outfield type. Could add some punch to punchless A’s. If you got Murton for Gaudin, that’s a pretty equal trade.
Patterson- Highly underrated second base prospect that was good enough defensively at second and should have been left there by Chicago. Won’t be an all star, but could be pre Cleveland Josh Barfield with more speed.
Donaldson- Not having the best year, but may be my favorite piece for Beane here. Good bat speed and overall hitting profile for a catcher. Raw at the position and will need more work developing his defense, but should be a plus athletically. Could be Michael Barrett with better defense.
Surprised
that Beane didnt press for a little better offer somewhere else. Seems very favorable for the Cubs to me
Unless, of course
Harden breaks down again
The 2008 Rockies: All loses, all season
possibly
since Sabathia is in the midst of a change of league/team….spotlight on him etc…..but unless redman finds jesus christ….we better score a lot of runs tonight
this team is utter rubbish...
by TuLoRocks2008 on Jul 8, 2008 5:57 PM MDT up reply actions
Where is Jeff?
Why is Jeff Baker not in the line up?
Gah
First time in a long time that not only am I free to join the game thread, but also watch the game, and my roommates are using the TV. Curses, foiled again!
The Brewers are my #2 team,
so I’m getting a little secondary pleasure out of this debut. Too bad it’s against my #1 team, though.
Nix over Baker
O
M
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Die-hard Rockies fan. On the bandwagon since 7/6/93. Not giving up my seat. EVER!
hes out a couple of days at least
this team is utter rubbish...
by TuLoRocks2008 on Jul 8, 2008 6:10 PM MDT up reply actions
had an MRI
got hurt slidin into 2nd yesterday
this team is utter rubbish...
by TuLoRocks2008 on Jul 8, 2008 6:12 PM MDT up reply actions
Spilly K's.
Gah.
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ill be generous
2 2/3
this team is utter rubbish...
by TuLoRocks2008 on Jul 8, 2008 6:20 PM MDT up reply actions
This is going to be
a looooong night, but not for Redman
Ryan Braun
hits with two men on. This can mean only one thing.
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That lineup?
vs. Sabathia?
I think Hurdle just wants C.C. to have a nice first start with the Brewers. “Just so they like him and all!”
Damn.
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well atleast he didn't
leave us any suspense haha
this team is utter rubbish...
by TuLoRocks2008 on Jul 8, 2008 6:25 PM MDT up reply actions
Gotta give
it more than 1+ innings.
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Could still happen.
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Gameday has Redman's fastball at
84 mph, and his slider at 84 mph…
What he have here is what we call in my neighborhood the “gravity ball.” Where the ball doesn’t sink by break, but by the fact that it’s not going to reach home before the earth pulls it down.
I believe the pitch is also known as the “meatball” in some parts of the Milwaukee dugout.
Sometimes useful
for the fact that MLB hitters can’t adjust to 8th grade level stuff and actually don’t get hits (see, for instance, the last 3 hitters) but mostly noted for padding statistics.
Where is
that Xeifrank dude with his “Rockies chance to win this game: 0.04%” routine?
lets hope not for too long
this team is utter rubbish...
by TuLoRocks2008 on Jul 8, 2008 6:27 PM MDT up reply actions
I protest this call-up
because it lacks insight. With Helton down for an extended period, the Rockies have their best chance to take a look at an infield including BOTH Stewart and Atkins, which should provide both a short term and long term advantage.
Instead, it looks like we are using the “take turns” strategy.
This is the Rockies we are talking about.
So stuff you’d think make sense….yeah. It’s just kind of an alternate strategy.
On a lighter note:
I got the new Beck cd, and the new Batman Begins gift set today…
Beck cd = outstanding, and we all know how good Batman Begins was…
go to www.starland.com
and enter the quiz for a chance to see it WED night, if you live in the Denver area.
between nix, taveras, hawpe hitting against a lefty, terrialba and redman
over half of our lineup is an automatic out! Sweet, I don’t have to watch this game anymore.
and i forgot about barmes
a full 2/3rds of our lineup has no chance tonight. Sick.
Stand there like a statue
is not a good thing to do.
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I don't have my MLB.TV up
but Gameday shows that Torrealba fouled off a pitch that would have pegged his knee cap…
Nix
just swung with all the intensity of a guy that knows for certain he’s going to strike out…shocking nobody when he did.
Thats right
I forgot Koshansky was the power hitter who K’s all the time currently sitting on the bench…
I don't think it matters what lineup
we are using. Sabathia is bringin’ it.
No need for any of that.
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Apparently
people don’t read the link to the C,C,&R in the message that pops up when joining.
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We have no chance of winning this game
what with the lineup of FAIL, and tomorrow is even worse. Rusch vs. Sheets? Good lordy lord. Sad that our only chance for a split rests on the suspect shoulders of JDLR.
Free Casey Weathers!!!!
good thing for us that we face dave bush
slight chance
this team is utter rubbish...
by TuLoRocks2008 on Jul 8, 2008 6:40 PM MDT up reply actions
No seriously
I am almost convinced that Hurdle is purposely putting out this lineup so Sabathia can have a good first start in front of his new home fans.
Free Casey Weathers!!!!
Bolster his popularity
among other NL teams, so that fans will, at least grudgingly, cheer for him at the ASG?
should be the favorites
this team is utter rubbish...
by TuLoRocks2008 on Jul 8, 2008 6:42 PM MDT up reply actions
NYY is prolly close...
Between Giambi (who’s lost weight), and if I remember right, Joba isn’t the smallest guy ever. It may be due to being associated with Jaba….
JLDR
His last start was terrible, meaning he is due. Right? I was at the game against the Indians and his 10 Ks were quite impressive. I almost have hope
Bizarro world.
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This is Mark Redman, after all
Ye gods, I still can’t believe that our next three starters are Redman, Rusch, and JDLR. And people wonder why this team isn’t a contender this year….
Free Casey Weathers!!!!
Weeks
does know how to be one, though.
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uhm wowwowow.
Redman
makes a lot of people look like batting champs
by Squeaky on Jul 8, 2008 5:53 PM PDT
redman makes lots of players look like batting champs
by Ghoulowitzki on Jul 8, 2008 5:53 PM PDT
IBB
to get Fielder to ground into a DP. Is it actually going to happen?
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Not even an out.
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Tommorow's pitcher
does anyone know who’s pitching tomorrow? it says reynolds on mlb.com but i thought we sent him down
Rusch
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Not bad
I was also thinking…
Cook and U-Ball, head for the mall…
Cook and Ubaldo, bring on the dog show…
OT: Rich Harden trade
I’ve been a big fan of Rich ever since he came up in 2001, and I am extremely happy to see that he’s healthy this year…so far. However, I am NOT happy to see him go to the Cubs. I like him in Oakland. We don’t need to face him. At first glance it looks like the Cubs really won on this deal…Harden and Gaudin are two very good young pitchers.
I agree
Slowly but surely, all the pitching talent we had our eyes on is being shipped to other teams. Garland, Haren, Harden…once someone snaps up Blanton, we’ll have missed the boat completely – in favor of the likes of Towers.
Blanton
is pretty gawdawful this year, so I don’t feel too bad about missing on him. Our pitching coach can’t fix our own pitchers, much less someone else’s.
Free Casey Weathers!!!!
Beane
No idea what he was thinking with this one. Harden signed through 2009, and this is all he can get?
Seriously
If Harden was available for that package, WE could have done it. Hell, he’s a terrible injury risk, but jeez, with the state our rotation is in, we need ANYTHING.
Free Casey Weathers!!!!
pretty sad
when you can’t get optimistic w/2 on and no out because 3 automatic outs are coming up.
O'Dowd
couldn’t have come up with a better package? What is the point of our OF surplus in the minors if we’re not going to get something productive for it.
You also
need to ask how good of a surplus it is.
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That's lucky.
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Spilborgs
man you have to pay attention. Luck.
Still got a run.
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Same thought, nice
or not nice, depending on the viewpoint.
Dear lord
can we send Nix back down right now?
he couldn't just strike out
and take up one out
this team is utter rubbish...
by TuLoRocks2008 on Jul 8, 2008 7:14 PM MDT up reply actions
That's
like praying to whatever deity someone may believe in. You’re not going to get an answer.
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You don't
win games that way.
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Nope
I for one can say with perfect honesty that when I saw the lineup and the pitching matchup, I pre-emptively marked down an L.
Free Casey Weathers!!!!
At least you waited for the pitching matchup to be posted
I saw that the Rockies were playing on the road and marked it a L
Email the booth night
“Does Sabathia have as good a fast ball as Nolan Ryan?”
Now there’s a question all Rockies fans are dying to know the answer to. Must a slow night for the inbox.
Put me out of my misery. Please!
nice, we're finally through the automatic out portion of the lineup.
we will have one inning to score as many runs as possible with the next three hitters, whenceforth we will re-enter the automatic out portion of the lineup
I might
as well give more attention to the book I’m reading, The Roots of Blitzkrieg: Hans von Seeckt and German Military Reform. Not that we should actually call it blitzkrieg.
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Geesh
And here I am deeply engrossed in Wicked: The LIfe and Times of the Wicked Witch of the West.
Put me out of my misery. Please!
I'm reading
The Messiah of Morris Avenue by Tony Hendra. BTW, I love Wicked.
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Hello
random thoughts:
1. Nice to see the Monfort cheapfest is in full swing. Other teams are sucking up the pitching talent while the pitching thin Rocks continue with their Green recycling program. I see Wells in the DO and Redmon, JDLR, etc. Josh Towers just a call away. When are they ever going to invest to give us some interest.
2. Welcome back Nix to a place you don’t belong. Career fill guy. I know the feeling as I have been there.
3. How many fill guys are we going to take a look at this next week. Joe Koshanky, Nix, Stewart. I fill a Cory Sullivan move just around the corner.
by PinchHitLancePainter on Jul 8, 2008 7:34 PM MDT reply actions
he couldn't possibly be a worse leadoff hitter than taveras...
well….. nevermind. Spilly should be hitting leadoff anyways.
I mentioned that earlier
about the Monforts needing to open up the pocketbooks and start increasing how much money we spend on players. Instead of snapping up the talent, we go looking for cheap deals, and now we’re realizing how poorly that ends for us. We go grab the Jason Grilli’s and Jorge De La Rosa’s of the world rather than the Dan Haren’s. We’re going to lose Holliday this upcoming year because we’d rather look for cheap players than pony up and lock up talent.
I don’t understand why the Monforts and the rest of the FO can’t just get over the Hampton/Neagle thing and start spending again.
This season
is not going to encourage that kind of behavior…they tried locking up some talent and look where we are.
Oh they spend alright
they spend good money on washed up never-has-beens like Vizcaino and unproven relievers like Corpas. Are you telling me you want them to spend money the right way? Psssshhh
Wow
It’s only 4-1, and you are ready to pack it in? I’m not the optimistic one, but this one isn’t over yet.
The Rockies’ ownership isn’t as rich as other owners. Pretty simple.
We're gonna win!
We’re gonna make a comeback…..
Ugh, this lineup. I’m sorry, I just can’t feel it tonight.
Free Casey Weathers!!!!
Man, I hope someone hits one of the racers.
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They can be
if they shuffled where their priorities are. They managed to get a revenue boost from postseason ticket sales last year, and bumped up ticket prices this year, and yet we still can’t seem to find the money to pay our players. The Rockies still rank near the bottom of percentage of team budget spent on player payroll. If the Monforts changed their business MO, they might be able to shift a good deal of money to player pay.
And if they turn out to be not that rich, then they need to sell to an owner that can be. We’re not going to get 2007 lucky every year.
But
do we really want them to sign Holliday/Atkins longterm? Those players will be well overpaid by the end of their contracts. See: Helton, Todd.
If we dont give the money to them
then who are we going to give it to?
they *are*
giving them money. They’re paying Atkins and Holliday a ton, considering our payroll. You trade them at the end of their contract and rebuild. It’s what you have to do in this market.
I guess that
it comes down to when we stop looking at the future and start concentrating on the now. We won’t lock up Holliday because we can fill his hole in the outfield. We won’t lock up Atkins because we can fill his hole at 3rd. This club always seems to rely on its farm system and looking for cheap talent (see: Redman, Mark and Nix, Jayson). Eventually, someone in the FO needs to realize that the farm system isn’t always the best answer.
That's
what you’re supposed to do. Holliday isn’t worth the money. Atkins is overrated. If you can’t afford a huge payroll, you have to be smart about your signings. It’s smart not to sign these guys.
I can see
where that method of thought comes from. For the record, though, I was mostly talking about getting new players, not whether or not resigning current ones is a good or bad thing. I’m pretty on the fence about Atkins, and I’d like to see what kind of package we can get for Holliday.
I suppose I’m just hoping for a day when the Rockies don’t have to deal with the tiny payroll, and they will go after some big names like Haren instead of scraping the bargain bin for Towers.
Let's see
we are well south of .500. Our pitching is a patchwork job. We continue to play and pitch Yorvit $3M and Vizcaino $3M with obvious better prooducts. Every pitcher we have started this year (sans Cook) has been a disaster. Thank god for the sorry NL west where a losing record lands you in first place and makes all the others feel “in the game” and sparks illusions of grandeur.
by PinchHitLancePainter on Jul 8, 2008 7:44 PM MDT up reply actions
I'm feeling a HUGE fail here.
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Oh gods...
Spilly, that was really bad.
Now we get the horror of Torrealba/Nix/Q again. WHY, GOD, WHY?
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how are they going to fail?
my guess is home to first DP, followed by your choice of added fail
What? Was? That?
But what’s wrong with Spilly?
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Even when Yorvit does something right
he does something wrong….Is Spilly OK? What happened?
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Holy cow!
Torrealba comes up with a big hit?!?
Spilly hurt though :(
That was seriously the only thing that could have been worse
than a triple play right there.
Only the Rockies . . .
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Lots of bitterness in here tonight...
Personally, my expectations were as low as possible for tonight, even before I knew about the presence of Nix, so anything better than a 400-0 loss is actually not so bad.
wow, what an inning.
lose our only chance to tie the game because our 3rd best hitter gets injured, followed up by the rare DP without a force at any base. jesus christ.
Nix's fail
is hitting pretty unimaginable levels right now. And aghhh….. noooo… why Spilly, why?
Free Casey Weathers!!!!
Wow...
Only the Rockies could turn a runners on 2nd and 3rd, nobody out situation into not scoring a run.
I would’ve taken the strikeout I thought you were going to have there Nix over that pitiful DP.
Keep the Cycnicism Coming
If we have no expectations, anything remotely good will feel great. If we think we’re gonna win, we’ll just be disappointed.
considering
they have had tons of chances tonight and CC hasn’t had very good stuff, yea, it’s totally reasonable to think we could win this game, if not for horrible luck/lack of timely hitting
Pinch hit Cook!
Hawpe will fish all day for that slider!
Just wanted to add to this
He did a good job at this after that 3 run bomb by Braun he allowed. Only 1 run the next 4 innings, which should’ve been 0.
Only down a run.
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What happened to Spilly?
I repeat. I’m already disgusted at that news…. seriously. The injuries are getting ridiculous.
Free Casey Weathers!!!!
Have heard no report yet
They’re speculating an oblique strain, but that’s unconfirmed. He pulled up rounding 2nd holding his left side, and basically had to walk to 3rd. I’m thinking DL for sure.
Put me out of my misery. Please!
Who didn't see that coming?
A strikeout by Hawpe.
Seriously, he has been awful against good lefties his entire career except for the couple times he got a hanging slider.
and the sad thing is that he's not even good against righties anymore
good thing we signed him to an extension, instead of the much more reasonable course of action of letting him walk and playing spilly in RF
1B
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Balk.
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That was bad.
Spilly would have scored if not for that injury…Spilly, Bake, Tulo, Todd…sheesh. Are you sure we have to have a team that holds together?
with the D-Backs playing the Nats
we could be 9.5 down in a hurry
You never know...
Lets all remember the Cardinals team a few years ago. They won 83 and then the series, right?
he's had a lot more months of being post-venison barmes than pre-venison
I think it’s safe to say that he is officially post-venison barmes save a few lucky streaks
this game is exactly 1 AB from being over
if Atkins doesn’t hit a HR, it’s guaranteed outs all the way down.
maybe not so much helton
especially if we bring stewart back up
Well, Herges is doing his best
to make this not a close game. Not as if it really matters. And CRAP to the news about Spilly.
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Cards
still interested in Herges?
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Hurdle
prepared as usual didn’t have anyone warming up.
by DieHardRox on Jul 8, 2008 8:20 PM MDT reply actions
Wow
Nice pitching by Herges there after being down in the count 3-0.
Now get Braun to ground into that double play lol
Walking in a run
is always great . . . if you’re the team scoring it.
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The IBB fails
Again. And with Atkins for Koshansky, there goes our last good hitter. At all.
We are now officially doomed.
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Double switch
Please tell me its taking out Barmes, moving Atkins to 3rd and Josh to 1st.
Absolutely
should have gone home for Fielder.
by DieHardRox on Jul 8, 2008 8:38 PM MDT up reply actions
Oh definitely
He was maybe halfway home when whoever caught the cutoff throw(Atkins?), and could’ve easily been out at home IMO.
Game over IMO
We can’t score 5 to win this.
although, it would’ve been GREAT if Atkins threw HOME to nab Fielder…
Koshansky...
I think he’s a career AAA player, unless he suddenly turns it around somehow. I don’t like what I’ve seen from him.
Alright, good night
Game over, I don’t see this offense capable of scoring 4 runs to tie it when we have Nix, Quintanilla and Hawpe leading off the 9th.
So long to all of that.
Hello to Rusch vs. Sheets.
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Glad i missed this debacle
1)Nix needs to be DFA’ed tomorrow. If Baker goes on the DL we have to bring up Stewart.
2)If Spilly goes on the DL I’d like to see Fowler up here. Instead we will get the highest paid CF in AAA.
3)At this point I’d like to see Hirsh…he was doing decently before he got hurt last year
The 2008 Rockies: All loses, all season
Hirsh is a walk AND flyball machine
and those don’t come with strikeouts. That combination has no margin for error, and I don’t think Hirsh does us any good whatsoever, and I don’t see how it would do him good developmentally.
Can anyone teach around here?
Hirsh was a perfectly decent young starting pitcher for us last year before he got hurt. If he’s healthy now, and simply can’t locate or whatever, it must be some sort of mechanical flaw. Can’t our pitching coach at AAA, or even Apodaca, figure it out and straighten him out in short order? We really need the 2007 Hirsh back here in a hurry.
For that matter, we also need the 2007 Morales here too. I’m really starting to question the quality of our pitching instructors. They also weren’t helpful to Francis or Corpas early on. Maybe this traces to the loss of Bob McClure to KC (look how well their pitchers have done since he got there).
Of my list of concerns, this is my #1
teaching, (um…coaching?) especially our pitchers is a big issue. The regression of Francis, and Corpas, as well as Hirsh, Morales makes me wonder about our pitching coach. Throw in Reynolds not looking ready, and Weathers stuck in AA (though he has done ok, and this maybe a side issue) I wonder about our development of our pitchers to put in nicely. In fact I’m really concerned at the waste, and not only lack of development, but the regression of this talent.
Wonder what happened from last year to this year? That’s 3/5ths of the starting rotation and our closer that’s regressed, and in the case of the starters, not even major league level now!
I miss baseball. Can we fire Clint Hurdle and Dan O'Dowd now?
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