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Miscellaneous: Rox Girl does a team-by-team review of the minor league system over at her RMN blog, but I'm sure we'll go a bit more in-depth here once the minor league seasons end (playoffs included).

The Springs, L 4-5 in 10 innings: Scott Podsednik collected two hits, stole a base, scored once, and drove in one in another game for the Sky Sox. His on-again-off-again teammate Cory Sullivan hit two doubles and drove in two runs.

Jason Hirsh allowed four runs over seven innings, walked two, and struck out five. Juan Morillo came in and pitched solid eighth, allowing two hits and no runs. Unfortunately, Matt Daley surrendered a homer in the bottom of the 10th to Salt Lake's Bobby Wilson to lose the game.

Tulsa, L 4-5: Chaz Roe allowed four runs on eight hits in 7 2/3 innings, striking out five. He allowed two home runs (a two-run and a solo). Ryan Mattheus allowed a homer in the top of the ninth, which turned out to be the winning run.

Tony Blanco, Daniel Carte, Justin Nelson, and Gary Cates each had two hits. Nelson drove in two and Cates knocked in one.

Modesto, L 4-11: Wins have been rare lately for the Nuts, and last night was no exception. Simon Ferrer allowed seven runs in 4 1/3 innings, walked three, and struck out six. Chris Malone gave up three more over the next 1 1/3 innings. James Burok struck out five over the last 3 1/3 innings of the game.

Daniel Mayora hit a three-run homer in the third inning, but then the run scoring died. Brian VanderBeek tells us a bit about Modesto's newest player, Angel Cabrera, and that the July 24 game that was cancelled will be made up only if necessary to complete the playoff picture.

Asheville, W 10-6: It was a big night for 6-8 in the lineup. Helder Velazquez went 4-for-5 with three runs, Kevin Clark drove in two (one on a solo homer), and David Christen went 2-for-3 with five RBI and a homer. The homer was a two-run shot.

Bruce Billings allowed two runs on six hits and a walk in seven innings. He struck out six. Edgmer Escalona allowed the other four runs, but Ethan Katz held things down in the ninth.

Tri-City, W 8-4: Charlie Blackmon and Jordan Pacheco both hit their first homers of the season last night. Blackmon's, a solo shot, led off the eighth inning, and Pacheco's was a two-run shot with two outs in the eighth. The Dust Devils also had a big fourth inning. Leonardo Reyes had a two-run double, then scored a little bit later on a fielding error on a Ryan Peisel-hit ball, and Blackmon singled in Thomas Field. Pacheco had a sac fly in the sixth.

Juan Nicasio pitched four innings and allowed two runs. Brad McAtee was charged for two runs in 1/3 of an inning, but both runs scored while Hector Luna pitched. J.R. Murphy struck out five in two innings, and Sean Jarrett struck out two over the final two innings of the game.

Casper, W 9-1: Delta Cleary and Alex Feinberg both drove in three runs. Feinberg joined WIlin Rosario in the doubles category with two each.

Dan Houston had one of his best starts this season by going six innings and allowing an unearned run on five hits and two walks. He struck out five. Kurt Yacko struck out three to complete the ninth.

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Odd night for Ferrer

It’s not often that you see every single baserunner a pitcher allows on board score when they give up only two extra base hits. He’s had some bad luck with the timing of his mistakes and with his relievers helping him out this season.

Casper’s got some interesting storylines this season and I’m curious what will come from that crowd. Houston looks like he could be legit, Cleary and Massey are showing a lot better initial power + contact rates than other project picks that we’ve drafted in the past (particularly David Christensen):

Christensen 18 y.o. : .746
         " 19 y.o.: .797
         " 20 y.o.: .802

Cleary 19 y.o.: .930

Massey 18 y.o.: .852

Fowler 19 y.o.: .846
      " 20 y.o.: .994

Robinson 19. y.o.: .888
        " 20 y.o.: .944

Rosario 18 y.o.: .788
      " 19 y.o.: 1.071

Stewart 18 y.o: 1.028
      " 19 y.o.: 1.079

This number is just a player’s ISO added to his (1 – K/PA), so it shows a combination of contact + power, which at the lower minor league levels is a more important stat than those that get tainted by OBP figures which can be so misleading until you get to levels where pitchers are actually throwing strikes most of the time. You can see the small gain by Christensen at Casper last season carried over to Asheville, but he hasn’t actually improved on it like Fowler and Stewart did. We probably should have been paying more attention to Robinson last year, as we should with Cleary and Massey now. There are some very promising starts here that don’t exactly show up in traditional batting measures.

by Rox Girl on Aug 20, 2008 8:12 AM MDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hatin' on Christensen after his big game?

How cruel! (wink, wink).

In four plate appearances: 2B, HR, BB and only one K last night.

Baby steps, right.

Nah, promote him. (sorry, I couldn’t resist).

by RockyMtnRedbird on Aug 20, 2008 8:20 AM MDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Believe it or not,

I actually still like Christensen as a prospect. The progress has been slow, but there’s at least solid evidence of progress there and he’s got some tools that I just don’t want to give up on. He’s up to a point where we’ll have to see a major step forward, but he isn’t actually past that point. He’s going to have a problem soon, however, in that Robinson and Blackmon are both looking like they’re at least on his level, and with the comparable rates of progression, they should pass him next season if he doesn’t get into gear.

by Rox Girl on Aug 20, 2008 8:34 AM MDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Here are a few more Ghosts:

Shane Lowe: .695

This is actually a big improvement over last season. Still, not even approaching Christensen territory is a very bad sign.

Zack Murry, 21: .955;

Murry looks really good in this because the number is weighted more to contact than power, and contact is Murry’s specialty. A bigger gap forms the more you weight power (the same formula with 2x ISO, for instance), and so some separation appears between him and a few of these others. That said, I think he’s another one where the traditional batting measures are masking his real ability this season.

Alex Feinberg, 22: .939

Feinberg’s a big example of OBP mucking up the sifting process down here, because if you compared Feinberg’s OPS (.827) to Murry’s (.660), you would come to the conclusion that Feinberg was a much better prospect. I really don’t know if that’s the case. What we’d be arguing over are the 11% of PA’s where Feinberg took a free pass, but Murry mostly hit into outs. It’s clear that Feinberg’s more selective, but it’s also likely that Murry has better plate coverage and for all of Feinberg’s selectivity, his lack of XBH’s shows that he’s hardly getting as much benefit out of that selectivity as I’d like to see. In other words, he seems to be exactly the kind of player whose numbers are going to tank when he’s forced to swing at high quality strikes, whereas Murry’s, with that better plate coverage, are likely to improve as the gap power continues to develop and he learns the same kind of selectivity. Carlos Martinez is in a similar camp to Murry but with even more power emerging, albeit less contact.

Martinez: .915

Angelys Nina: .915

Eliezer Mesa, almost 20: .895

Mesa has almost a year on Cleary, two on Massey, so this figure hardly distinguishes him from his competition for outfield playing time going up the ladder. I usually give mulligans to players just entering the States for bigger cultural disadvantages, but here’s a case where I think that the player needed to hit the ground running and now already is well behind his peers.

Still, basically why I’m liking Casper despite the overall lack of offense is that for once there are several players showing well in a category I find important for early identification of sleepers, and I’m a lot more confident that we’ll have somebody (hopefully somebodies) emerge as legit MLB prospects than I was with the Clark/Cunningham/Christensen/Velazquez group, or the Cox/Ferrante/Strickland class before that (Okay, while I haven’t given up on Christensen, I admit I’m still highly skeptical that he’ll get it done).

What’s more promising for me is that with so many of these players not being our usual suspect free swingers, I’m sensing an organizational scouting shift that has seemed to have learned that sluggers do little good if they can’t consistently put wood on the ball.

by Rox Girl on Aug 20, 2008 11:52 AM MDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Short Season Purp Invasion

I’ve been pretty impressed with the newcomers as well, but more so in their scouting reports as much as their numbers. I think we have quite a few short season guys that should enter the Purp list, partly on their own talent/potential, but also due to the lack of progress of several others ahead of them:

Christian Friedrich- Obvious Purp who should be a top five candidate. You could make the case that his K potential could be higher than Morales’ and I think he might have been undersold a bit in pre-draft scouting reports.

Charlie Blackmon- Draft selection, tools package, and outstanding contact display in Tri City will get him fairly high. I could go into the concerns we discussed the other day, but I think instead I’m going to rate him highly until those things become a problem, preferring to not put too much into short season results.

Aaron Weatherford- I’m cheating here, but Weatherford is technically a short season DL guy right? Weatherford’s the forgotten prospect, but some draft analysts saw him as a borderline first rounder, and based on projection, he could be a bulldog eighth inning type. Arm woes won’t get him in top 20, but I was a fan of this selection and will stick with him.

Keil Roling- Another one too good for short season ball, but Roling has tapped into the power that had been flickering on and off this year with ASU. In a system thin in raw power, Roling was a much needed gamble. Bottom fifteen type until he proves his swing translates to better pitchers, but can’t argue with the production/tools tandem right now.

Parker Frazier- I don’t know where he ranks yet, but he’s getting on the list. Still young enough to make large strides, it was a promising sign to read a recent BA article putting the velocity of Frazier’s sinker in the 88-93 mph range. Having seen him pitch in high school, I may have a bias, but I liked the four pitch mix then (loved the hard slider) and like the performance improvement now. Projection plus performance relative to age of competition make him a solid prospect.

Scott Robinson- Is coming alive of late, and will still be just 20 years old at the start of his should-be Asheville campaign. Scouting reports like his solid tool set, and I like that he’s beginning to flash more pop. Might still be late 20’s, but that’s primarily because there just isn’t much out about him right now.

Wilin Rosario- Should join Friedrich in top ten. Offensive profile will follow him to whichever position he ultimately finds himself playing.

Carlos Martinez- Bonus baby has been on the radar for some time, but now starting to perform as well. Looks rough around the edges, but is just 19, and is considered toolsy at a premium position (for now at least).

Joseph Massey- Might be a better future power prospect than Roling thanks to his swing and athletic body. Draft position is less important than his bonus figure. Potential is the key with this one, as his plate discipline has left something to be desired thus far but can easily be excused for now with age and a late start to short season.

Delta Cleary- My favorite draft sleeper. Scouting reports and info I’ve received on him rave about his athleticism and raw tools. Not in Fowler’s class coming out of high school, but his situation is similar in that he’s entering the pro game unrefined but with a higher ceiling than most all draftees ahead of him. Like Massey, I don’t know if the Rockies will deem him ready for Asheville, but I’d love to see these two included on the team. A Massey-Cleary-Robinson outfield would be young, raw, and talented, and possibly our best outfield combo in the system.

There are still others I like (Houston, Murry, Walker, Yacko) but not quite ready to place in the Purps list. Bottom line, Asheville might be the team to watch next season.

by David OhNo on Aug 20, 2008 7:15 PM MDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

ppreciate those stats Roxgirl and David....

I am like you. I like the young guys due to lack of progress above them. I really like Blackmon. His numbers are good and I have listened to many tri cities games this year too. Frazier is way better than he was and sans 2 outings this year, he had been very solid. Roling has been injured and sick alot but he has put up great numbers both power and average in a short shortened season. I am so happy to see Robinson playing well, i hope his defense has come as far along as his contact ratio has. Jury is still out on Massey. I dont see those power numbers and I also have listened to many Casper games (as painful as it is to listen to their radio guy) and he seems to struggle a bit defensively but he is young. Cleary has been up and down but the last 2 weeks has been great. I also really like 3 of your 4 others. I think Yacko has been brilliant and blown just one save and stays ahead of hitters and has a great K/BB ratio, Murry has been solid and hit into some hard luck but still very few strikeouts with much improved defense. Houston may be their best starter this season and has threown well. Another kid to watch at Casper is Jorgenson, he has been really really good all year. I ask you all though, why does no one ever mention Sandavol? I am not as high as most of you on Martinez (21 errors) nor Rossario’s defense (11 pb) but Wilin has hit it well this year.

by Fungoz on Aug 20, 2008 7:32 PM MDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I can't speak for rox girl

but my exclusion of Sandoval deals more with his age relative to his level. At 22 years old, he should be one of the top league performers, and he’s instead merely good. He’s like the high school senior on the JV team, you expect him to be better than his peers, not impressed by it. Not all is lost for Sandoval, as continual performance up the ladder will get him noticed, but at this point, he’s not terribly unique.

by David OhNo on Aug 20, 2008 7:47 PM MDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Pretty much that's where I am with him...

It’s nice what he’s doing, and while I know this isn’t entirely his fault, I’d want to see that sort of performance at Modesto to get excited about him. Not to blame the Rockies either, though, if he’s not hitting any better than Roling or Rosario, there’s not really an imperative to advance him.

I think Houston might make the bottom of my PuRPs list, but I may very well drop Massey out as while I like the potential, I’d want to see a little more translation to performance and the defensive issues Fungoz mentions have me a little concerned that he’ll wind up needing more offense to compensate. Rosario’s D isn’t quite as big a knock right now, as blocking’s a skill that should develop with more playing/coaching time, but Massey’s got jump/range issues that might not develop so well. Same goes with Martinez, while he’s got the bonus and scouts like him, he’s also repeating at Casper, his defensive work is still incredibly raw and I see no reason to put him in. Of course, this is a weak year so he may wind up back on the list by default, but it will hardly be an endorsement.

I’m obviously a little higher on Robinson, I envision him in the 20-24 range, but he may even crack my top 20, given the system’s weakness this year. It seems like a good offseason to make bets on young toolsy players and he certainly fits that category. Plus arm, centerfield range, develping power, doesn’t strike out a lot, there’s not much to not like there. Everybody else, I think I’m seeing in the same category/range. Weatherford and David Kandilas are two wildcards that will likely make my top 30 list, but without professional performances to fill in a little more of the picture, I’ll be worried that I’ve overrated or underrated them at the same time.

by Rox Girl on Aug 21, 2008 5:22 AM MDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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