Sunday Rockpile - Dismissing Dealin' O'Dowd
"Lucky is the residue of design" – Branch Rickey
Hall of Famer Tracy Ringolsby led off his January 8th column with a story on the stability of major league general managers. Dan O'Dowd, GM of the Colorado Rockies, starts his 10th season and ranks fifth among GMs with the longest tenure. I think most Rockies fans probably have a love/hate relationship with our GM. Maybe indifference is a better opinion. In nine years O'Dowd has watched over a team that has gone 677 - 782 and has had only two winning seasons. Compiling an average 75 - 87 record certainly can't be considered a success. The only consistency O’Dowd has brought to town is the consistency of finishing under .500.
In the past nine years O'Dowd has certainly experimented with what it takes to win at altitude. To be fair his first three years were trying to clean out salary with a team that wasn't winning. Then in 2003, the rebuilding began which led to a National League pennant and a World Series visit in 2007. Now he is trying to manage expectations.
In trying to build a winner, O'Dowd didn't get his nickname "Dealin’ O'Dowd" for nothing. Below are the trades he managed since arriving in Denver.
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O'Dowd's moniker certainly fits especially in the early days. In addition to the chart shows the player's Win Shares. For a traded player the Win Shares shown are those the player had after being traded. For an acquired player, the Win Shares shown are those earned as a Rockie. Note: Only Win Shares since 2004 are shown...data available here. Without going into too much depth, O'Dowd didn’t get much value early on (1999 - 2000). Then, in 2001, the Bard and Gerut trade was his worst, since Cruz never amounted to anything. For the next 5 years O’Dowd didn’t do much, the young drafted players weren’t mature yet and the team was burdened with high salaries from the Hampton and Neagle deals. O'Dowd was just “minding the ship,” making sure the ball club didn't sink. In 2006, O’Dowd probably pulled off his greatest slight of hand with the dumping of Jennings for Taveras, Hirsh, and Buchholz. Beyond the trades, O'Dowd's strongest contribution has been the draft. Drafted players who have provided significant reasons for the team's success include Francis, Tulo, Atkins, and Hawpe. Ultimately O'Dowd's legacy will be his trading of Holliday for really nothing of significance.
The question then is what more could our General Manager have done in the last 9 years? Alternatively one could ask does a General Manager really matter? At the MLB level, winning and losing may have more to do with luck, attitude, and culture than free agent signing, drafting, and trading. All teams draft similar type players year after year. Player statistics and their cause and effect all wash out year after year. Very few GMs make horrible or amazing trades that really amount to huge standing swings. The Monforts haven't opened the bank in the last 5 years. Even after going to the World Series we couldn't land a significant free agent (especially at 2B). Pitcher's don't want to come here after the Hampton, Neagle, Kile debacle. I think we can easily overlook the complexity of building a long-term winner. O'Dowd has shown the ability to pick players but hasn't shown the ability to land any free agents that can shore up weak links, and finally his trades have been a mixed bag.
When O'Dowd is eventually let go it will be because he didn't get a pitcher of significance when trading Holliday and for not meeting expectations of a team that made the World Series. Regardless of what O’Dowd (or Hurdle or the Monforts) does, we the fans will moan and groan or cheer because we are passionate about our Rockies. I’m sure O’Dowd is passionate about baseball, like the rest of us, but that passion doesn’t seem to transfer to the field. It just goes to show that regardless of what a GM accomplishes, does a GM really get a team where it needs to be? Nine years in the front office has molded this organization and I think with the Holliday trade, O’Dowd’s luck has run out.
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But must add
even though I am as leery of the Holliday trade as anyone, we do have to see what happens on the field this year before declaring it a bust.
Blast and botheration.
The Holiday trade
It seems pretty obvious that Matt wasn’t going to resign with the Rockies. O’Dowd was forced to trade him to “get something of value”. Did he do it? Not sure at this point. That answer will come into focus as the season plays out.
The surprising thing was the timing of the trade. Could he have gotten better value in the spring or at the trade deadline? No way that we will ever know that one.
I think given the decline in value of corner outfielders as this offseason has progressed
It’s pretty clear that right now there would not be a better trade available than what we got from Oakland, but who knows if that pendulum will swing back once the July trade deadline comes about. Like you, I think it’s too early to call that trade a bust until we see what happens with both Holliday and the received players this summer.
The really aggravating part will be
if Matt has a monster year and Oakland flips him to someone like NYY, Red Sox, Cubs, etc for a stretch run at the deadline and gets someone to overpay for him. That’s when the howling around here will begin.
True. Conversely,
If Matt crashes at McAfee and Oakland winds up getting a couple of minor league relievers for him, then we’ll all breathe a collective sigh of relief.
Just out of curiosity...
You’re being pretty critical of O’Dowd, I wonder how his record compares to the rest of the division (Padres, Giants, etc.) since he started with the Rockies?
When O’Dowd is eventually let go it will be because he didn’t get a pitcher of significance when trading Holliday
You don’t think Huston Street was a pitcher of significance?
Keepin' warm by the hot stove season.
I wonder what pitcher of significance the author has in mind...
St Louis would only offer outfielders and Boggs, not a pitcher of significance, and that offer was apparently pulled by the Cardinals because they thought it was too much.
I don't know about Purple Rox
but no. A set up guy that had a terrible injury plagued year….is not “significant” We did however get a “Prospect of Significance”, and that is just what this team needed. OF and quality OF prospects were zero inside the organization.
We still have Chacin the Machine coming as well as Uballo.
"Suck it monkeys, the Rockies will win this year", Rox Girl 1-11-2009
I also agree
that O’Dowd did a pretty bad job of meeting our needs when we were forced to trade Holliday, so he just picked some shiny-looking things. Another OF, 4th/5th starter, and a reliever. Yup… just what we needed.
Blast and botheration.
Let me rephrase that..
Another OF, 4th/5th starter, and a reliever. Yup… just what we needed.
1. Another Top ranked OF prospect
2. A starter to add depth if lefty is still hurt and Cook goes down again
3. A future closer to replace Fuentes and Weathers this season
Yup… just what we needed.
Keepin' warm by the hot stove season.
Like I said upthread
I’m willing to give them a chance, and it’s too early to dismiss the trade out of hand. Still, I reserve my skepticism.
Blast and botheration.
by Silverblood on Jan 18, 2009 10:28 AM MST up reply actions
NL West Wins Since 1999

I was hoping someone would do this work for me. However, here is a breakdown of the standings and average wins since ’99. Dealin Dan would be ranked dead last. San Fran has been on a downward spiral since Balco was investigated, LA has stayed competitive. Meanwhile SD and Arizona are showing signs of bipolar disorder with wild win-loss swings all over the board.
Keepin' warm by the hot stove season.
It's not like
we went through a management and ownership change or anything.
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by DbacksSkins on Jan 20, 2009 12:29 AM MST up reply actions
you know
and the worst and the crappiest too but who’s counting
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by Andrew Martin on Jan 20, 2009 8:30 AM MST up reply actions
I love the baseball talk here...
It is so refine and so clear all the time. There are no band wagon fans here.
elaborate please,
I have a feeling that my opinion right now probably is closer to yours on the subject than Purple Rox’s, but at least he presents a cogent argument in support of his points. Your comment is a backhand at other users here without much substance for a counterargument. I’d like to see a little more backing for our side of things than just labeling others “band wagon fans”.
O'Dowd
should have been dismissed years ago. His best trade (Jennings) is now down to one solid middle reliever and a big question mark. My grief is the last two years he could have made a deal to land a quality starting arm and did nothing. Haren could have been had if he was willing to put some minor league talent up. As a result, the retreads were put in and we all know who they are. I think he will be gone if 2009 is much like 2008. My big issue is the Rockies always seem to be making salary dump deals both coming and going. I think the pitching will be better in 2009. But will the defense and offense be good enough to contend?
How much of this is the Bros. Monfort cheapskate attitude shackles and how much is O’Dowd is a question mark.
by PinchHitLancePainter on Jan 18, 2009 10:23 AM MST reply actions
Would you have traded Ubaldo for him?
Because Beane was demanding him. Arizona bled themselves dry of prospects between Haren, Dunn, Rauch, sort of Eckstein. Now the Dbacks are flat broke and are pretty much screwed unless Chris Young and Justin Upton magically become the superstars everyone dreamed of down there.
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by Andrew Martin on Jan 18, 2009 11:51 PM MST up reply actions
I wish
You had just written “I’m dismissing the Holliday trade out of hand as a failure before either of the principles play a single game for their new team” at the beginning, so I could have skipped this, since that unfair premise is the basis of pretty much your entire argument.
Staying on the sunny side of Blake Street since 1993.
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The Holliday trade non-analysis is probably the post's weakest link
And like you mention, it seems to be the key point in his case, so I would have liked to see more backing for that. I like the effort he put into this, it obviously took time to make that chart. He acknowledges that the issue is complex and goes a little into that, but perhaps not enough. Somebody also said that this is a good conversation starter, and I agree about that. This post does show promise, it’s needing just a bit more support though.
One thing I dislike about posts like this
is there’s too many “did nots” and not enough “should haves.”
For instance, I could care less what rox girl’s opinion on Hurdle’s job performance is if it only comes with the tag “approve” or “dissaprove,” but I’d thouroughly enjoy reading a synopsis of why his lineup structure fails and what he could do to improve it (or on the flip side, how he’s able to balance out his outfield talent to get the most of the talent given to him).
While I have a slightly favorable opinion of O’Dowd, I have no problem with those that do not, as he given them plenty of ‘munition to so. But I need the why’s. Why doesn’t it work, what in particular is not working, where’s the fatal flaw?
By O'Dowd's own standards.....
his tenure as GM has been a disappontment.
I remember going to O’Dowd’s first meeting with season ticket holders at Coors Field after the 1999 season. In his talk, Dan spoke of doing two things:
1. The task of taking a 72-90 club and turning it into a perennial contender as he and GM John Hart had done in Cleveland in the 1990’s.
2. The mark of being a successful GM is to give his fanbase a legitimate reason for hope every season. He said he would be a failure if his fans lost hope.
By those two criteria, O’Dowd has failed.
He has, as shown above, averaged 75-87 over his 9 seasons here, only a 3-game improvement (on average) over the woeful 1999 record that got his predecessor Bob Gebhard fired after only 7 seasons. I’m sure if you would have asked O’Dowd at that event in December 1999 what would happen if his teams would average only low-mid 70’s in wins over the next five years, he’d have told you that he wouldn’t be around for a sixth. Well, he’s still here to start his tenth season!
In terms of fan “HOPE”? He has done more to squander hope and faith in this team than anyone other than ownership. By trading Holliday for inconsequential bodies, he continued his legacy of doing this. Remember who he traded Larry Walker for? I thought not (though Dexter Fowler was supposedly signed with the savings, which is nothing more than rationalization or “spin”. Fowler could have been signed regardless). Remember how long Dan held onto Astacio, and how we hoped for a haul for him such as Soriano (who was once offered to us), only to get a lame-armed Scott Elarton? There are other examples.
O’Dowd DID preside over a run to the World Series, but this is the baseball equivalent of the broken clock being right twice a day. At some point, most teams catch lightning in a bottle and have the isolated “dream season”. This should not be an event to be necessarily credited to the GM. Consistency of competitiveness is the ONLY criterion by witch a general manager should be measured. And on that score, O’Dowd has fallen quite short for most of his time here.
So what happens if the Rockies rebound for another winning season in 2009?
Let’s say between 85-89 wins. Preseason projections suggest that the talent’s there to get to that 85 mark, and the weakness of the division or a little luck could result in a few extra victories. At that point you wouldn’t be talking about a broken clock, but a contender two out of the last three seasons. What’s more, O’Dowd would have twice defied the odds and created a winner after trading away the team’s best player or pitcher from the season before. Would you credit the GM then? I’m curious, at what point would you credit O’Dowd, or would you just find some other reason to explain away winning as dumb chance. I’m actually sort of curious, because I’ve been wondering myself how long I as an optimist am willing to justify losing. I really think if the team fails to crack .500 again in 2009 that I may start to call for a change in GM’s, but right now I’m not at that point.
Jake at Bucco Blog the other day had an interesting and thoughtful review of Pirates GM’s from Bonifay through Littlefield into Huntington, and I was struck reading it how through that same time frame, O’Dowd’s could have been compared to any of those three GM’s at different points during his tenure for the Rockies, and 2007 would be about the only difference we have to hold over Pirates fans heads for our superiority. That’s not saying much.
But the question is, which GM is O’Dowd right now? Is he making the most of what he’s given, or can we point to other GM’s who have been dealt similar hands but have done better? You point to the Haren trade, but it’s looking more and more like that’s going to wind up costing Arizona a lot more than what they will get back from it. The Diamondbacks currently project as a sub-.500 team in 2009, which I don’t know if I believe, but if true, it would represent a colossal waste of talent resources by Byrnes given the team he inherited. The Brewers, on the other hand, have seemingly done a quality job of constructing a perennial contender with limited resources. If both the D-backs and Brewers continue to see success in 2009 and the Rockies don’t, I think the evidence will pretty much speak for itself that our team’s leadership has failed in its mission yet again. If on the other hand, the projections are right and those two teams see regression while the Rockies bounce back, meaning that each would have been contending in two of the last three years, then I would think your perspective would have to shift some. I just wonder if that’s true.
This certainly is shaping up as a pivotal year for the team, it seems.
So you ask a rhetorical question.....
which is to say, what would I think of O’Dowd if the Rockies redeem themselves this season? Naturally, that would lead me to say, “Why, of course, that means that O’Dowd has redeemed himself.”
It’s like asking If the economy suddenly and miraculously recovers in 2009, would I credit George Bush, Barack Obama, or neither? My answer in this case would probably be neither, though I COULD contend that Obama brought newfound hope to the country which, combined with stimulus programs, led to a resurgence of economic activity. The real issue here is cause and effect, and being honest about what leads to certain outcomes.
In the case of the Rockies, if they win 85+ games in 2009, I see that as improvement, not as a vindication of the total body of work produced by O’Dowd. Believe it or not, I used to be a big O’Dowd fan at one time. It’s just that I’ve soured in recent years since I don’t think he has made an appreciable positive difference to the ballclub, nor has he convinced ownership in the virtues of looking beyond strictly the bottom line in setting team budgets. To me, that’s self-evident. However, I won’t be rooting agiainst the Rockies in order to see my point about O’Dowd proven. I hope they win 100 games this year and go all the way.
If instead, as their track record suggests,, they disappoint once again, I won’t even consider that proof that I’ve been right all along. 2009 is just one more “datapoint” in O’Dowd’s long record here, which I’ve already established as failing to reach his own standards that were laid out before season ticket holders way back in 1999.
BTW, I think if the team is a loser again this year, only Hurdle loses his job. O’Dowd would be out a year later if things don’t improve in 2010. This is exactly the pattern we saw with Baylor and Gebhard.
Fair enough,
I really was curious as you’ve been a consistent critic lately, but a thoughtful one, so I was trying to gauge what it would take not for vindication per se, but leniency. To me, I see O’Dowd as having done a decent job to situate the team right now, but not an exemplary one. I would only go partially by his press conference standard, as that was spin then, it remains spin right now. Fans are only indirectly responsible for O’Dowd’s paycheck. First and foremost, a GM is hired to make his boss happy, and in the case of the Monforts, it seems happiness is making money, so O’Dowd seems fairly successful by that standard. The Monforts also care about their image, however, and in this regard, O’Dowd’s fared rather poorly, but it’s not like the ownership has helped him along.
As for building a quality on field product, it’s been a slow process since McMorris was tossed aside. I think 2007 bought O’Dowd immunity from last season’s disappointment, but I think that immunity was short lived. I also see the current team as two separate entities, the one that just peaked (which used to include Holliday, but also Hawpe, Atkins, Barmes, Cook and Francis) and the one that O’Dowd’s really bet everything on, which includes Tulo, Jimenez, Stewart, Fowler as well as relative disappointments like Morales, Chris Nelson and Greg Reynolds. You can now add Gonzalez, Smith and Street to that class. If this second group matures this season, and projections seem bullish on that, then I think O’Dowd should be able to rest fairly easily over the next few seasons. If they suffer more setbacks like Tulo going Bobby Crosby or the pitching failing to materialize, O’Dowd’s not going to last very long.
"Decent" isn't good enough......
For a team with a self-imposed salary cap as the Rockies have, we need a GM who is “exemplary”, as you put it. The margin for error, especially errors by a GM, is thin here.
This is NOT to say that I would trust the Monforts to replace O’Dowd someday with a superior baseball executive. They might luck into one, but I really think they have no idea what an exemplary GM would look like.
Truth be told, O’Dowd probably is “decent” as a GM, and could win with a franchise that has a $100 million or higher budget. We don’t, so we’ve fallen short of O’Dowd’s promise at that 1999 seaon ticket-holder talk to take the team to perennial contender status. It wasn’t a press conference, by the way, though he may have said similar things to the press back then.
I can't really disagree here,
We see where mere decency has taken O’Dowd to this point, and like you say, this won’t be enough. If O’Dowd came up with a winner on the Holliday trade when many are scratching their heads about it, if Morales or Reynolds come back or Chacin matures to a top of the rotation type to join Jimenez and the Rockies build a solid, sustained run of competitiveness here, I think O’Dowd could make a case for “exemplary”. You’ll be sure to point out that that’s a lot of ifs and continued decency but nothing exceptional would seem the more likely outcome. I don’t know if I could argue that you’re wrong without more evidence than we have right now.
God no!
Don’t mention a Tulo-Bobby Crosby comparison! I cannot bear it!
Eschew Obfuscation!
by Jeff Aberle on Jan 19, 2009 12:26 AM MST up reply actions
Here ;o)
Scouting report upon day of draft
Big, strong, well proportioned physique. Similar to Bobby Crosby. Excellent bat speed. Aggressive hitter w/ good extension. Soft, quick hands, average runner. Solid ML defensive tools w/ a chance to hit with power. Shows no glaring weakness.
Tulo had a very strong second half in 2008. He just had a bad start to the season, as almost every hitter does at some point. I have no fear that Tulo will fall to Crosby’s level.
by Andrew T. Fisher on Jan 19, 2009 8:30 AM MST up reply actions
Rox Girl
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20070605193107AAG0g8R
Basically a band wagon fan could be summed through this link.
I would believe that it is well establish fact the people that follow this blog are more knowledgeable about the Rockies than the average fan. Rox girl….how about we do a poll or a quiz on the blog and figure that question out.
I was not asking you to elaborate on what a band wagon fan was,
Just to elaborate on how the specific argument presented here amounts to bandwagon fandom, or else your comment could be construed as little more than mudslinging or name calling. For instance, if you feel that loyalty to the team requires some leniency for O’Dowd a year after he took the Rockies to the World Series, there are less contentious ways of saying that which would actually add to the discussion. Part of what makes Purple Row at least seem more knowledgeable than average is that we demand substance in our debates beyond what you’ll typically get at the stadium.
If you call them a bandwagonner, then they call you a naive Kool-Aid Drinker, labels have been exchanged but no information. There are no points worth noting or reading, the quality and the reputation of the blog suffer. I’m just asking that you bring more than labels to the conversation and actually engage in constructive dialogue.
Dan O'Dowd
Another aspect that should be taken into consideration of O’Dowd’s tenure is the success of the minor league teams. Some have had exceptional playoff success like the Asheville and Tucson clubs…others like the Colorado Springs Sky Sox haven’t. However, most baseball fans probably don’t even know who won the AAA championship because they don’t care. Anyway many of the minor league prospects in our system are great testament to Dan O’Dowd’s success.
Success doesn’t happen overnight it takes years.
Good point.
The Tucson Sidewinders(RIP)’ 2006 AAA Championship presaged the Dbacks’ 2007 resurgence.
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I think I explained myself fairly well, it's mostly self serving.
If the quality of the commentary on the blog lapses, readers leave, Russ’ and my reputations as bloggers suffer, and people will at best stop clicking through to the comments laughing them off as they would those of major newspapers or mainstream media sites, or at worst, they will decide that Purple Row is no longer worth visiting altogether. I think I misread your original comment as sarcasm at first, so I have to apologize if it wasn’t and admit to being overly critical here. I’m sorry if that’s the case. If it was sarcasm, that’s fine so long as you have a little more substantiation to your comment explaining your position. I typically try to tighten the ship during the offseason, as things tend to degenerate throughout the regular season so that’s probably why you’ll find me more critical right now. I really don’t mean any offense by it, it’s just sort of a chore that has to be done for the blog before we get going in earnest again.
Cool
Ok, that makes sense..in a way my first post was meant as a compliment to you and everybody I do see your point though…anyway…hopefully all the debate about O’Dowd will end this season for better or for worst.
Also you, Russ and xCo do a great job at running this blog.
Yeah, sorry once again... and thank you.
Although if you indulge me one last bit of being critical, I swear I’ll leave you alone. Below every comment is a “reply” button which if you click on, it will thread your comment to the one you are replying to. It just makes it a little bit easier to follow the commentary. Alright, I swear that’s it, once again sorry for misreading your original comment, and I hope I haven’t scared you off from Purple Row by being so nit-picky.
Hmm
I’ll have to try ‘this’ reply thing next time. Anyway I understand and I’m sorry for being confusing.
But anyway just to be a conspiracy theorists why are you and Russ on the East Coast? I almost believe that you guys work for an on-line news magazine and y’all are just trying to get people hyped up enough to see the Rockies.
I wish...
Right about now such a source of income would be welcome. No I’m just a born and raised Coloradan who fell in love with the team growing up, and started blogging about it while I went to college in Los Angeles because I missed seeing the team in person as often, and have continued blogging Rockies ever since even as life has taken me across the country. I also wish I actually was on a coast, although preferably the Western one. Right now I’m actually stuck in Cincinnati, likely for a couple more years at least, although there’s a chance I may be moving to Ithaca, NY this year.
I'm a born and raised
Queens New Yorker. Became a fan by accident in 1996. I have that entire story written somewhere.
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It's really more of a misunderstanding.
Someone asked me who I wanted to win the Stanley Cup in ’96. I said the Avs, and that led others to believe that I liked all the Colorado teams. I had never been too into any of the NY teams and went along with the misunderstanding. I was almost 11 at the time.
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Bit random, isn't it?
Reminds me of Barry Sanders retiring, for some strange reason. (I have a twisted mind)
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lol
You remind me of my friend he blogged for x candidate for the past two years and now he’s in Washington D.C. looking for a job while he finishes up his internship. I hope you find something soon…if not join the military jk :)
Unbelievable
When O’Dowd is eventually let go it will be because he didn’t get a pitcher of significance when trading Holliday and…
I keep seeing this tripe everywhere.
1. Matt Holliday is a good hitting corner OF. Very very talented, yes, but good hitting corner OFs are easily replaced.
2. Matt Holliday has shown very little intention of remaining with a team, and instead, hitting the Free Agent market.
The above 2 things make Holliday an expensive luxury for any team.
JP Riccardi wasn’t just waiting for the call to trade away Roy Halladay.
Andrew Friedman wasn’t just itchin’ to unload James Shields or David Price.
Omar Minaya wasn’t trying to push John Maine into our laps.
There were rumors of Carlos Carrasco from Philadelphia, but it sounds like Pat Gillick pulled the plug on those talks.
There wasn’t just this magical FRONTLINE STARTER that every team was trying to trade to us. The best I heard was Ian Snell for Franklin Morales, and again, I hear Pittsburgh called it off.
So before we crucify O’Dowd for not getting OMG ACE, he got us a MLB ready starter, a possible bullpen Ace, and an OF prospect. It’s not a bad haul, and if you read the commentary from 3rd party readers, the return was not a bad one at all. 1 year of Matt Holliday for 6 years of Gonzalez, 4 of Street, and 5 of Smith.
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Incorrect
Holliday should have netted us Lincecum and Jay Bruce. Since he didn’t, O’Dowd has failed and the rest of baseball is laughing at him.
I can't understand
why O’Dowd didn’t hold out and get both Johan Santana and David Wright from the Mets. FAIL!!
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