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Thursday Rockpile Bonus Edition: Keith Law's Top 100

So, I posted this as a FanShot and realized that it was way long for a FanShot, so I'll reposition it as a FanPost for your enjoyment.

As stated in the title, Keith Law of ESPN unveiled his Top 100 Prospects List today.

This is an ESPN Insider article beyond the top 25 prospects, but the Rockies have four guys in the top 100. Of course, if you don't have Insider, you won't be able to read the reports of any of them, but I've detailed the gist of Law's comments below.

Law has Fowler at 30, Friedrich at 59, Nelson at 72, and Chacin at 74.

Basically, Fowler has plus speed (below-average base-stealer though) and defense with above average power potential and an improved swing.

Friedrich is projected to be a solid 3/4 starter once command improves.

Nelson is projected to make it to the show at 2B or CF due to his batting improvements and potential.

Chacin is basically too far away to be projectable but Law likes his command and out pitch but thinks he needs to work on his curveball.

Also mentioned as the 5th best prospect in the Rockies organization was Rosario.

As far as positional rankings go, Fowler was 5th among CFs, Nelson was 8th at SS/2B, and Friedrich was 9th among LHPs.

The NL West and the amount of players placed in the top 100:

AZ: (Parker 35, Schlereth 75, Parra 91)
3 players: 2 P, 1 OF
CO: (Fowler 30, Friedrich 59, Nelson 72, Chacin 74)
4 players: 1 OF, 2 P, 1 SS/2B
LA: (McDonald 68, Lambo 79, Martin 87)
3 players: 2 P, 1 OF
SF: (Bumgarner 6, Posey 8, Alderson 26, Villalona 34)
4 players: 2 P, 1 C, 1 1B
SD: (Blanks 54, Latos 69)
2 players: 1 1B, 1 OF

My take: The Giants look to be sitting pretty so far as high impact divisional prospects is concerned, with two stud pitchers on the way to join their already studly pitching staff. The Rockies' guys are next in line, but are lower-impact players. LA's guys are either there or will be soon, while Arizona's once deep system has been gutted. San Diego is trying and failing to keep up.

Also, Troy Renck has written an article about how Tulo aims to avoid a repeat of 2008.

My take: We can only hope that Tulo is back to his 2007 form and injury free. He did bat .327 in the second half last season, so he's got that going for him, which is nice. When healthy, he's a force both offensively and defensively, as well as a tremendous clubhouse influence. Good to hear that he's mentally focused on avoiding his poor 2008.

Eat. Drink. Be Merry. But the above FanPost does not necessarily reflect the attitudes, opinions, or views of Purple Row's staff (unless, of course, it's written by the staff [and even then, it still might not]).

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interesting....

Law doesn’t seem as high on Fowler as most, but seems much higher on Friedrich and Nelson. I’m really surprised to see Nelson in anyone’s top 100 still.

by DenverBears on Jan 22, 2009 12:11 PM MST reply actions  

Agreed

I’m surprised – most other outlets have Fowler quite a bit higher.

by Hizilla on Jan 22, 2009 12:55 PM MST up reply actions  

Honestly, I don't know if it matters much...

Your top 100 lists are mostly vanity/pride pieces subject wholly to the whims and inclinations of the author or authors. At the end of the day, how are you really going to compare a pitcher like Chacin, who could for all we know could become the next Frank Viola, to a guy like Bumgarner, who could become Josh Beckett? It’s easier to project success with the guy with the huge fastball, it’s harder to take a stand with your Chacin/Trevor Cahill types. Similarly with Fowler, it’s easier/safer to project that he doesn’t develop into an elite hitter and instead go with a guy like Rasmus who hit 27 HR’s in AA. Athletically, these two players are not as far distant as you would think, yet Rasmus has already shown more skills. Law’s answer is probably right for the purposes of making his list, but Rockies fans shouldn’t necessarily be discouraged by this.

I really don’t care how many Rockies land in the top 100’s or how the organization ranks. What I want to see is depth and the potential for a contender worthy starter at every position.

C: Rosario, McKenry, Roling
1B: None (Roling or Rosario?)
2B/SS: Nelson, Gomez
3B: Holcomb
LF:
CF: Fowler, Blackmon, Robinson
RF: Gonzalez

SP1: Lindsay? Chacin?
SP2: Chacin
SP3: Friedrich/Graham/Rodriguez/Reynolds?
SP4: Deduno/Roe
SP5: Hynick, etc..,

RP: Weathers, Mattheus, Harris, etc..,

We’re doing okay. Only the Giants really have pieces that worry me in the division but we already have quite a head start on them. I’d like more corners and ace pitchers, though.

by Rox Girl on Jan 22, 2009 2:18 PM MST up reply actions  

Right, I see what you're saying.

You prefer to evaluate minor league systems by organizational depth while KLaw is more occupied with the players that will most likely contribute to the major league roster in a significant way.

Many of the people you listed won’t make much of an impact on the Rockies, this year or in the future, so they are discounted in Law’s rankings. I tend to fall more on the side of Law on this one RG…I’m only really concerned with our farm system and prospects insofar that they become quality, starting Rockies. Bench/reserve players are fungible and should be therefore discounted somewhat.

I’d much rather have two stud prospects than six AAAA prospects, if you get my drift.

Eschew Obfuscation!

by Jeff Aberle on Jan 22, 2009 3:48 PM MST up reply actions  

I don't know if you're quite getting it... but close,

K-Law and BA and Goldstein and Sickels are all trying to juggle the likelihood a prospect develops and their ceilings, and they all have to make some subjective decisions and trade-offs in order to do so, there’s no way around it.

Those players I mentioned each could be contender worthy major leaguers at the positions mentioned. I left out the likeliest bench/reserve types like EY2 or Daniel Mayora or several others. Some of the guys I mentioned will have a far greater likelihood of reaching that success than others, and this likelihood of reaching one’s potential is all that’s going to differentiate the prospects on the K-Law list except for in cases where you’d be comparing apples to oranges such as the Chacin/Bumgarner argument.

Dexter Fowler could be a bigger impact player than Posey. He has the better tools almost across the board at a position that’s nearly as important especially in our ballpark. Law apparently feels, subjectively, that Posey is more likely to be an impact thanks solely to a more refined swing in this case, he chooses the likelier guy over the toolsier one. Villalona could wind up being a bigger impact than Nelson they both could wind up having the same effect. Angel has the one really huge plus power tool and a swift swing. Villalona’s also fat, young and far away from the majors. Nelson is talented, athletic and just a step away but terribly inconsistent thus far in his minor league career. They’re judgment calls to put them where they are or to put Nelson on at all, but both are potential impact players still.

As far as the pitchers, it’s a little different but Chacin and Friedrich could outpitch Bumgarner and Alderson, even if they aren’t going to throw as hard. None of the four could wind up being impactful or all four could.

I think Holcomb is going to wind up AAAA, I know several qualified people that swear that his bat plays in the majors. My subjective judgment on him could turn out to be right, and it would vindicate my pride at picking out talent, but so what? If I’m wrong, I’m not going to beat myself up, so I include him in my list above because I know I could be wrong on him given the words of other trusted sources. I guarantee you that Law’s not going to change his approach if he’s only mostly right and at best that’s all he or anybody could hope for. So what I’m saying here is to take these pundits with a grain of salt and realize that the difference between prospects once you get out of the top five or so gets kind of muddy.

What’s more, you can’t use these lists as an effective system measuring stick without context, but that’s the way they are presented. Would you rather have top ranked Texas’ system or the Rays, knowing that “system” by definition would have to include the major league team? Arizona’s farm doesn’t have the impact players that the Orioles do, but Arizona’s not wanting to trade places with the O’s, I assure you. That the Rockies have several stud shortstop prospects is of no use unless they find other positions for them. So I’m saying what I’d rather see than a top 100 list is a dynamic depth chart ranking that tries to predict how the six divisions will play out over the next five or six seasons based on the talent they have. I would find that infinitely more useful. That’s what I would mean by preferring to evaluate systems by organizational depth. Impact talent’s great, let’s see what it actually means in the big picture.

by Rox Girl on Jan 22, 2009 5:31 PM MST up reply actions  

Nice to see the Padres developing a replacement for..

Adrian Gonzalez. That way they can jettison their best player at the end of this year.

Keepin' warm by the hot stove season.

by Charlie77 on Jan 23, 2009 9:49 PM MST reply actions  

By best player I meant...

Their only offensive threat.

Keepin' warm by the hot stove season.

by Charlie77 on Jan 23, 2009 9:51 PM MST up reply actions  

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