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Umps Blown Utley Call

Is it time MLB implemented a challenge system like in the NFL that allows a manager to challenge a couple times during the game or something? At least during in the post season? Now in the NFL a team that loses the challenge loses a time out so there’ a penalty of sorts…not sure how that’d work in baseball though.

by Rox4brains on Oct 12, 2009 8:42 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

I haven't heard this mentioned yet

but what about the fact that Utley was clearly in the base line on that play as well. He should have been out for that reason alone.

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by smokinRox on Oct 12, 2009 9:21 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Did the Rockies even know?

The FSN guys noted that no one on the Rockies appeared to dispute that the ball hit Utley; they could have at least appealed to the home ump to confer with the others. Tracy ran out to question the call at first, so I guess if there were an NFL-style system, he could have thrown a flag there and maybe it gets caught that way.

I’d prefer better umps, myself. It shouldn’t be that hard to weed out most of the obvious calls.

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by FooMan on Oct 12, 2009 9:23 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’d prefer better umps, myself. It shouldn’t be that hard to weed out most of the obvious calls.

The current system works. They just need working umps.

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by Andrew Martin on Oct 12, 2009 9:34 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Huston Street said that

he saw the ball hit Utley. He thought it would be a free out, and he hesitated briefly and then made the throw to Helton. And yes Utley was in the base line. I guess a player of that stature won’t get that call against him, but little ole Dex does.

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by SDcat09 on Oct 12, 2009 9:42 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

What's the rule on the baseline?

I thought you have to be in the box when it hits the 45 ft mark, and that before that, how he ran is generally not called interference.

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by FooMan on Oct 12, 2009 9:47 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

He was still on the line or inside the line

at the 45 foot mark, and he has to be running in between the 2 lines at that point, and he wasn’t.

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by smokinRox on Oct 12, 2009 10:02 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

But can’t you run on the line to avoid a collision? If he’s running on the outside, he smacks pretty hard in to Helton.

But it really looked like Helton was successful in his toe drag across the base, and had it in his glove before his foot lost contact. The showed the freeze frame and the announcers are saying “it’s really hard to say” and I’m watching saying “what’s hard to say? Ball in glove, foot on bag. Out.”

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by frightenedinmate#2 on Oct 12, 2009 10:18 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

It was just Utley being deceitful and getting away with it

We’ve seen similar plays (Barmes, Cargo, Spilly) that have gone the Rockies way. It’s unfortunate, that it led to the Phillies scoring the go-ahead run in the 9th. But who knows that might have happened if that had been called a foul. Maybe Utley hits another HR and gives them an even bigger lead….

by ddavis539 on Oct 12, 2009 9:34 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

CHASE UTLEY IS DISHONEST WHAT A HORRIBLE FRANCHISE PLAYER OMG

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by Andrew Martin on Oct 12, 2009 9:37 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

This..

he should be more honest and learn from players like CarGo and Barmes.

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by Charlie77 on Oct 12, 2009 10:07 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, its true

The outcome could have been even worse if Utley hit a homer or even Howard. Guess my point is why are we reading that the the umps admit they blew the call after seeing the replay AFTER the game. Pretty much leaves a sour taste in everyone’s mouths. There could be some sort of official MLB review or something in the post season.

by Rox4brains on Oct 12, 2009 9:46 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

None of the Rockies appeared to challenge the call on the non-foul

If Street saw it (as per SDCat’s link above), why didn’t he challenge the home plate ump about it? Further, if Utley doesn’t run and the umps miss the call, he’s out. Hard to see why that’s preferable from Utley’s pov. If it’s called a foul, perhaps Utley returns to this AB and does even more damage.

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by FooMan on Oct 12, 2009 9:52 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Are you saying that Street is lying?

Street didn’t have time to argue. The ball was in play and he had to do something. Tracy came out and argued after(not particularly vociferously).

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by SDcat09 on Oct 12, 2009 10:01 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm more pissed that Tracy doesn't throw bigger fits

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by Andrew Martin on Oct 12, 2009 10:02 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

In general he has not managed well in the playoffs

you don’t have time to save bullets in the playoffs. If a pitcher is struggling he needs to come out earlier, and you can’t waste outs by allowing pitchers to hit so you can save the bullpen, for what? We have extra guys since we don’t need as many guys in the rotation, so use them. I just think he has managed these games too much like a regular season game. Get the best lineup out there tonight, period.

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by smokinRox on Oct 12, 2009 10:07 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

won't happen

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by Andrew Martin on Oct 12, 2009 10:08 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Street can argue after the play

as is commonly done. Tracy argued the call at 1st.

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by FooMan on Oct 12, 2009 12:36 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Do you think Street is lying? That was my question

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by SDcat09 on Oct 12, 2009 12:37 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

No

I don’t think we should institute instant replay. Sometimes you get a call, sometimes you don’t. In the grand scheme of things, it evens out, and I think it makes the game more human than football.

by tulolgit2quit on Oct 12, 2009 10:49 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

agreed

and that’s coming from the stats guy

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by Andrew Martin on Oct 12, 2009 10:54 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hmm, not sure I agree here. Yes, in the grand scheme of things it DOES even out

But we’re in the unusual situation where the small sample size makes all the difference. If an umpiring error wins the World Series for a team this will NEVER EVER even out. because even if the losing team makes the next dozen World Series, the odds of them winning on a similar walk-off error are negligible.

So I can understand the logic in the regular season, and I agree, but it really does have to be at least looked at carefully to see what options there may be to minimise mistakes.

by biondino on Oct 12, 2009 10:55 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Okay

BUT

1. The good teams still win. Have there been any new dynasties in football since the implementation of instant replay?

2. There’s a tendency to blame the calls, not the bad plays. We should really blame last night’s loss on poor pitching, not a blown call that would have only guaranteed a few more pitches to Chase Utley, one of the best hitters in the game. If he had homered, we would have WISHED the call was blown.

3. I think it adds something to the game. I LIKE the controversy surrounding calls. Like I said before, it’s a very human part of the game that I don’t find anywhere else. Baseball is all about disputes. Was Holliday out at home? Should Pete Rose be in the Hall of Fame? What about Shoeless Joe?

by tulolgit2quit on Oct 12, 2009 11:04 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree

with your 1 and 2, but why should that matter? Good teams will still win if the calls are made correctly.

I definitely agree with #2. Getting that call right in no way assures Rox win. We lost, and I don’t think we were hosed.

As for 3, I can only assume you never watch basketball or football, where officiating is massively more subjective and every play is disputable in one way or another. I guess there’s nothing wrong with liking controversy if that’s your thing, I would prefer the controversy to be about the decisions/plays made by the teams, not the umpires.

Oh, and Holliday was not out. May not have touched the base, but never tagged with the ball…

by Teekalong on Oct 12, 2009 11:09 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'll Revise #3

I suppose what I meant is that I don’t like this endless drive to get rid of human error in sports and replace it with cut-and-dry machine-made calls. Call me John Henry, I guess.

I love football, but it’s made for TV (that’s neither good nor bad), and the incorporation of instant replays into the game is just the latest evidence of that. I like the idea that I can get a bunch of people together in a park and play the exact same game the Rockies play.

by tulolgit2quit on Oct 12, 2009 11:18 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah I'm with you

people always say “this evens out” but nobody ever actually explains why that is true. Its just pure conjecture. Maybe.

For my sake, I hate the “human error” argument. Baseball is the one game with the most specifically rigid rules, and the game that allows for the least amount of subjective interpretation. It is the game that should, by design, have the least amount of human error. Ball or strike, foul or fair, caught or not caught, I mean this stuff is not subjective and shouldn’t be.

I’m an old-school fan about a lot of things but when the robots completely replace the human umps I will raise a glass in toast.

by Teekalong on Oct 12, 2009 11:06 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

people always say "this evens out" but nobody ever actually explains why that is true. Its just pure conjecture. Maybe.

I guess I see it as like Barmes’ catch vs StL (which ultimately didn’t matter, but at the time…) “makes up” for other calls.

sometimes we catch corners they don’t, other times vice versa

conjecture at best.

I’m an old-school fan about a lot of things but when the robots completely replace the human umps I will raise a glass in toast.

I don’t so much want computer umps, I just want GOOD umps and I doubt we’re employing the best.

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by Andrew Martin on Oct 12, 2009 11:16 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

But really

where are the better ones? The NBA is going through this now with replacement refs, with the original response being “can’t be worse” and now its “wow, these guys are much worse.”

by Teekalong on Oct 12, 2009 11:19 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well I want computer relievers who don’t walk Raul Ibanez.

by tulolgit2quit on Oct 12, 2009 11:19 AM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

Fair enough

I like 2 teams playing each other, you prefer 3 teams playing, 2 against each other, and one “wildcard.” Every group needs a wildcard.

by Teekalong on Oct 12, 2009 11:21 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well

I think that attempting to get rid of intangibles in sports is a sisyphean task. So why not embrace them?

by tulolgit2quit on Oct 12, 2009 11:29 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

True enough

I’m being too theoretical, since I agree with you in principle that its unavoidable. For that reason, I try not to blame umps/refs too much, because its a waste of time mostly. I just get frustrated sometimes with the implication by some (not necessarily you) that its OK when refs blow calls because of some “human” value that it brings.

by Teekalong on Oct 12, 2009 12:14 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is homeplate umpire Jerry Meals’ (I hate him ever so much) strike zone.

also Jason Hammel’s strike zone

Also Contreras’ strike zone

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by Andrew Martin on Oct 12, 2009 11:31 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

On Hammel's Strike Zone

I only see one strike called a ball. There are two on Contreras, but a lot of balls called strikes.

by tulolgit2quit on Oct 12, 2009 11:40 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

that was my reaction as well

not a miserable zone, but that BB from Contreras was a deciding run

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by Andrew Martin on Oct 12, 2009 11:40 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

The TBS strike zone thing

has really thrown me off. I find that my internal gauge is way off, I don’t go nearly low enough and I give way too much on the outside. Very interesting tool. Umps have to hate it. I loved when Rafa threw 4 balls to Stairs basically in the same place, 2 for balls, 2 for strikes.

by Teekalong on Oct 12, 2009 12:15 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have

never liked any of those effects. ESPN has them too and I feel as though they are wrong some times while others are right. The fact that the camera we are looking through is at a slight angle doesn’t help either.

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by jrockies on Oct 12, 2009 12:19 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Do you take the offset camera angle into consideration?

You have to mentally reposition yourself to be in straight away center field to judge inside/outside pitches. Normally the camera angle is slightly left of centerfield (looking over the pitchers right shoulder).

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by Rock Oax on Oct 12, 2009 12:19 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Here's Betancourt's

Betancourt’s ball/strike calls.

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by FooMan on Oct 12, 2009 12:40 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

those strikes

out of the zone were swing and miss pitches I think

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by jrockies on Oct 12, 2009 12:41 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ironically, on Sunday morning on MLB Network, I do remember Mitch Williams mentioning about the idea of a red flag challenge system similar to the NFL.

Some of those calls greatly affects the outcome of games, like the Joe Mauer missed call in Game 2 of the ALDS by Phil Cuzzi in Left Field.

Doubt Bud Selig would allow something like that to happen.

by CM85 on Oct 12, 2009 4:44 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Whew.. This one hurts

Rox Starting pitchers who had done so well have struggled in all three games (none of them pitched more than 5 innings)… And we need a miracle…

I am surprised that Philly is going with Lee today.. This means that Lee can’t pitch until third game of the NLCS and If this game goes to 5th, Hamels can’t pitch until the 4th game… (Same is true for Rox, but they have no choice)

by Kumar_98 on Oct 12, 2009 9:03 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

The Rox would appear to have one good option in an NLCS

Start de la Rosa in Game 1…

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by Mondogarage on Oct 12, 2009 9:11 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

If they could get a health DLR

and the same Marquis that shut down the Dodgers back in August (+/- 70 pitch CG), that would be a great way to start a NLCS

by ddavis539 on Oct 12, 2009 9:13 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Who would you start instead if you were Philly?

They have to win this series before they can think about the NLCS.

I dunno if we need a miracle. Ubaldo needs to be solid, and the hitters have to stay on it. Lee is damn good, but he shouldn’t be back-to-back shutouts good. They need to scratch runs off him and get to the pen.

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by FooMan on Oct 12, 2009 9:33 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

we scored 1 on him in Philly

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by Andrew Martin on Oct 12, 2009 9:34 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

See?

We’re already part way there and a pitch hasn’t been thrown yet.

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by FooMan on Oct 12, 2009 9:36 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

'zactly

goddamn i’m tired right now. This cocacola isn’t helping at all.

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by Andrew Martin on Oct 12, 2009 9:37 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Man, the ball off Utley

The foul call in the Twins/Yankees. A number of others this postseason.

If I wanted to see officiating this bad I’d be an NBA fan.

durn…too many walks by the Rox pitchers. And it seemed like every hit that scored a run for the Phillies was a seeing eye grounder or a looping liner to the outfield. And the Rox had several hard hit balls that were caught.

Just a frustrating loss.

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by frightenedinmate#2 on Oct 12, 2009 9:12 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

And another thing

How hard would it be for the commentators to talk to a few people that know the Rockies, get some notes on each player. A couple of gems from last night:

Spilly, our starting CF in 07.

Cargo was on fire since he was called up.

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by frightenedinmate#2 on Oct 12, 2009 9:17 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is always a prob in the playoffs IMO

It would be nice if they’d include a guy in the booth from the local broadcast team.

FWIW, I remember CarGo struggling for a while after his recall.

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by FooMan on Oct 12, 2009 9:35 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

TBS does garbage sports commentary and analysis

their gameday staff is lazy, uneducated, and provide very little good coverage for the less-known teams.

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by Andrew Martin on Oct 12, 2009 9:35 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Am I crazy

or wasn’t Spilly the starter in ‘07 v. Philly until Taveras came back v. AZ? I thought that’s what they were talking about.

by Teekalong on Oct 12, 2009 11:12 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

that's what I thought too

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by Andrew Martin on Oct 12, 2009 11:17 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

In the 4th there was a shot that went right past Atkins

He seemed to hesitate a little bit, and then let it go past into the outfield. Is that a ball that Stewart could get to?

Also, it’s hard to have a 2nd pitcher in the batting lineup in Barmes, is there anyway they could get him over this slump, or try putting EY or someone else at 2nd for a change?

by ddavis539 on Oct 12, 2009 9:15 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Stewie most likely gets that ball, yes

I said the same exact thing in the stands.

by Muzia on Oct 12, 2009 10:16 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I thought that too

hard to say for sure that Stew makes that play, but Atkins didn’t have a prayer. But I don’t want to bang on him too hard after last night, overall he was very good.

by Teekalong on Oct 12, 2009 11:13 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Absolutely

Atty has played surprisingly well this series.

by Muzia on Oct 12, 2009 11:14 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe PHLP is right

the JDLR groin strain is looking more and more decisive by the day. Any update on temps for tonight? I love Ubaldo and all, but I think he goes bad once the temperature gets below 70.

by moomacher on Oct 12, 2009 9:23 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Brad Lidge's save wasn't that impressive

Seriously Hawpe swung at a 1-0 pitch cold off the bench
Cargo Walked.
Giambi went way out of the zone
Helton Walked
Tulo Popped up

Now a save is a save is a save….But the rox who were patient ended up on base. Lidge stinks you need to be patient against him.

by andrewrox on Oct 12, 2009 9:41 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Tulo

I thought he did Lidge a big favor, seemed like he dipped his knee on the swing, kinda like he was doing a lot earlier in the year. That was a meatball and Tulo bailed him out.

by Teekalong on Oct 12, 2009 11:14 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Do we think Hawpe starts today?

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by SDcat09 on Oct 12, 2009 9:44 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

he shouldn't

he looked like crap batting last night

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by Andrew Martin on Oct 12, 2009 9:49 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

heheh

I know he was put in right for the double switch and where the pitchers spot was, but still looked strange seeing him as a late inning defensive sub.

Should he have hit in the 6th, and have smith go in later? That way Smith hits in the 9th and we get to see his “after the 7th heroics.”

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by frightenedinmate#2 on Oct 12, 2009 9:59 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think you know the answer to that

I’m waiting until the offseason

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by Andrew Martin on Oct 12, 2009 10:03 AM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

I'm not so sure about using Hawpe off the bench.

He seems to need at least one AB to get going and size up the pitcher. It does seem to be his MO. He’s not seen the light of day during this whole series and was bound to be rusty. I think Tracy erred in hitting Yorvit 5th and not starting Hawpe. Giambi didn’t look to great either. I’m not trying to start up the offseason debate.

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by SDcat09 on Oct 12, 2009 10:09 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Giambi is a better debate

because we all know the answer is “Giambi will PH in huge situations still”

Frankly, he’s been hacking his last few outings. What happened to “sit back and watch a bunch of pitches and then get the clutch walk/single/homer/badass mustache” Giambi and where did “Clint Barmes built like a goddamn brick s***house” Giambi come from?

I’ll admit I still get giddy when he walks up and the NWO Wolfpack music starts. Like silly giddy, I have no idea why.

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by Andrew Martin on Oct 12, 2009 10:14 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was wondering last night

if advance scouting has finally caught up with him

by Hizilla on Oct 12, 2009 10:53 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I do too

it’s not as if he’s a golden god and NL pitchers are all scared bunnies or anything.

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by Andrew Martin on Oct 12, 2009 10:55 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

So I missed the reasoning for the start time deal

Is it early specifically because they would need to travel and play in Philly tomorrow for game 5? When they were planning a 2 PM start if the Yankees were playing today, that was the ultimate middle finger to the mid markets.

And here’s part of the bigger problem:

Who was in the last Superbowl? AZ and Pittsburgh. And many many millions watched. Now, say next year AZ and Pittsburgh are duking it out in the NLCS. People are going to say “Who wants to watch them in the world series?”

We poke fun at all of the hyping the NFL does, but I guarantee you they don’t pull this crap, with 3 games in a playoff series at a time when most people are at work.

MLB and the major networks play so much to the large markets that when a smaller market becomes the better story, they don’t know how to sell it. You got the last two NL Champs going at it, one of those is the defending WS Champs, and you can’t justify putting those games in prime time? Bud, you need a kick in the shins.

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by frightenedinmate#2 on Oct 12, 2009 9:54 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

I wonder how much input TBS has in it.

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by Andrew Martin on Oct 12, 2009 10:03 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

All of it

I assume by selling the rights to TBS they make the rules. I’m sure there is some legal mumbo jumo that says you can’t start a game before “A” or after “B”. But it’s probably like 11:00am -11:00pm

MLB is soulless bud needs to be canned

by andrewrox on Oct 12, 2009 10:06 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't disagree

I don’t agree either. Selig is an “on the fence” issue for me. I think he did a lot for MLB when they really needed it, but now he might be outdated and such.

TBS is a terrible network for sports. And they know drama.

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by Andrew Martin on Oct 12, 2009 10:08 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

The answer's easy

It’s all TBS because they don’t want to compete with Monday Night Football with such a “terrible” NLDS matchup.

Kruk TBS. Glad I’m at the game, so I don’t have to listen to them.

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by Mondogarage on Oct 12, 2009 11:45 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

MLB has a lot of problems, but you really can't compare it to the NFL.

Baseball is far, far more of a regional sport than the NFL. It’s a lot easier for fans to keep up on other teams when there are games only once a week. Baseball is never going to approach the kind of popularity or ratings of the NFL, and I don’t think we should pretend it ever will.

That being said, I agree that MLB has some issues.

by holly96 on Oct 12, 2009 12:48 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

whoops

23:4

Order a Rocktober t-shirt in time for the playoffs and donate to charity at:
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by Charlie77 on Oct 12, 2009 10:14 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

this post wins times about 100

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by Andrew Martin on Oct 12, 2009 10:14 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ubaldo time

Lets hope we can score some runs for the kid!

Now excuse me as I backwards jinx the team:
backwards jinx>
“The rox can’t win tonight. Cliff Lee is too amazing. he’s like Randy Johnson and Roger Clemens combined!”

<end backwards jinx

by andrewrox on Oct 12, 2009 10:17 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

whoah is he ambidextrous as well

because that’s just more badass than one sportsfan can handle

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by Andrew Martin on Oct 12, 2009 10:17 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Duh

I did say Roger and randy combined!

by andrewrox on Oct 12, 2009 10:18 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

oh man oh man

how tall will he be

can he bat

what is our mullet warning level

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by Andrew Martin on Oct 12, 2009 10:20 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Plus

he already has a perfect game started

and will hit for a natural cycle (with the bases loaded in front of him for every AB).

by ddavis539 on Oct 12, 2009 10:26 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cliff Lee is a big game pitcher

never chokes

and then all that supernatural garbage too

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by Andrew Martin on Oct 12, 2009 10:29 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lee has an incredibly long

1 game post-season winning streak that has yet to be broken. He’s well on his way to surpassing Rivera & Pabelbon.

by ddavis539 on Oct 12, 2009 10:44 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I just hate papelbon.....soo.....much.....

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by Andrew Martin on Oct 12, 2009 10:54 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

SO nice to watch him blow a huge game for once

and at home, and to have “TEH NATION” boo him…delicious tears…

by Muzia on Oct 12, 2009 10:55 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

THIS

I can't decide whether I'm hungry or just really tired.

by WalkInRight on Oct 12, 2009 11:55 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Duel Mullet

Front and back…seriously it’s crazy. Switch hitter….only half of him is on steroids though the right handed side.

by andrewrox on Oct 12, 2009 10:23 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

and shoots fire from his eyes

and lightning from his arse?

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by Andrew Martin on Oct 12, 2009 10:24 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Side note

I named my magician in the PS3 demon’s souls Ubaldo for his awesome fireball. yes I’m a giant nerd

by andrewrox on Oct 12, 2009 10:30 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

yes

yes you are

wow you are.

but that’s pretty funny, I won’t lie

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by Andrew Martin on Oct 12, 2009 10:31 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

wow

you’re just full of gems today

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by Andrew Martin on Oct 12, 2009 11:25 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

wow

that is incredible

by tulolgit2quit on Oct 12, 2009 11:26 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sweet

"We made too many wrong mistakes." ~Yogi Berra
"The ballplayer who loses his head, who can't keep his cool, is worse than no ballplayer at all." ~Lou Gehrig
JFK

by jrockies on Oct 12, 2009 12:09 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh Oh Oh!

Great story from yesterday.

So I flew into Denver this weekend from Oklahoma for the sole purpose of seeing the Rockies game(s), although the postponement shortened that to one game. Last night I went to Sushi Sasa before the game – me in full Rockies garb, everyone else in Khaki’s and Top Siders. I walk in, and I am face-to-face with CLINT HURDLE. I looked at him, he looked at me, but I was so shocked I just sat down and didn’t say anything. He was there with his wife and some friends. His jowls are even bigger in real life.

A little bit later he taps me on the shoulder, looks at his watch, and says, “You should get to the game. It’s starting in an hour.” I turned around and shook his hand. We chatted for a minute, I bumbled about how I had tickets to see Game 5 of the World Series but obviously didn’t go, said I was honored to meet him, and got a few pictures. He told me he wouldn’t be at the game because it was too cold.

At the time I thought it was a good luck charm, but I guess not. Still, it made my Rockies trip to Denver better.

by tulolgit2quit on Oct 12, 2009 11:38 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Clint Hurdle would be bad luck

I love the guy but this team was a mess this year under him…I think my Captcha is good luck though. I feel like someone at craigslist must have known… Thats weird!

by andrewrox on Oct 12, 2009 11:41 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

post the pictures or you're making this up and I'll ban you

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by Andrew Martin on Oct 12, 2009 11:41 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

hah, okay

i have to get my friend to send them to me, but yes, i’ll post them.

by tulolgit2quit on Oct 12, 2009 11:48 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

my first laugh since the loss

thanks RMN

May the Rockies bring me to paydirt!

by Rocks rock on Oct 12, 2009 11:55 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

this is why I love Clint Hurdle

A little bit later he taps me on the shoulder, looks at his watch, and says, "You should get to the game. It’s starting in an hour.

seriously, what a cool guy. Terrible manager, but what a cool guy.

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by Andrew Martin on Oct 12, 2009 11:58 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Iannetta tonight?

God I hope so. We can use some firepower

by andrewrox on Oct 12, 2009 11:42 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm strongly doubting this

despite the blatant lefty split

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by Andrew Martin on Oct 12, 2009 11:43 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not doubting it now

Yorvit was 0-4 with 2 K’s last night…we rode the hot bat till the bat cooled

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by Mondogarage on Oct 12, 2009 11:46 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

nope nope

Tracy sticks with his guys, the guys he’s swore are the starters, like Barmes and Stewart and Smith.

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by Andrew Martin on Oct 12, 2009 11:49 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sushi Sasa?

Man, I’ve been there once and heard two other stories. And the moral of those stories, as well as mine, is:

Don’t go to Sushi Sasa if you have anywhere to be in 3 hours.

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by frightenedinmate#2 on Oct 12, 2009 12:13 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

the moral of this story is reply fail

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by Andrew Martin on Oct 12, 2009 12:14 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

oh, man, SB Nation just played me for a fool

Swear to god, I clicked reply on your message with the block quote about how cool Hurdle is.

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by frightenedinmate#2 on Oct 12, 2009 12:16 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I had never been there before

but I second your moral of the stories.

My moral of the story is that the green ice tea is incredible, the waitresses are babes, and the clientele is snooty. But I did walk in with a Tulo jersey on and ski pants.

by tulolgit2quit on Oct 12, 2009 12:17 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

the moral of this story is

Don’t go to Sushi Sasa ANY sushi restaurant if you have anywhere to be in 3 hours.

I can't decide whether I'm hungry or just really tired.

by WalkInRight on Oct 12, 2009 12:25 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’ve never had a problem with Sushi Han in Writer Square. Always seems like we’re able to get in, get out, get on with our lives.

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by frightenedinmate#2 on Oct 12, 2009 12:27 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I guess I don't eat it enough to consider it an in-and-out kind of meal

I like to take a couple of hours to sushi it up real good

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by Andrew Martin on Oct 12, 2009 1:30 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh yeah, me too

But if you have to rush, it’s a great place to do it. I don’t think I’ve ever been to a TOP Japanese restaurant, though.

by biondino on Oct 12, 2009 1:36 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

oh me neither

I live in Golden, CO, and it’s not a top-end place by any means. I mean, we have a nice restaurant or two, but it’s mostly touristy crap – albeit good touristy crap. We strangely have 2 sushi places, but I don’t like the thought of getting sushi alone, it’s still too much of a fun/luxury meal for me, and I prefer to share those meals with people.

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by Andrew Martin on Oct 12, 2009 1:39 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

How did you jinx the game?

I personally blame myself. I wore the Tulowitzki t-shirt that has never won a game, only lost, as my base layer. That tshirt lost us the game in 2007 vs the Dbacks and Brandon Webb. It’s lost a bunch of other games as well.

What about you, what did you do?

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by Andrew Martin on Oct 12, 2009 11:44 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

I took my wife to the game

The Rockies never seem to win when she’s at Coors:

The recent St Louis Saturday loss

The one loss at the end of the 2007 season (the Diamondbacks fireworks game)

On the bright side… she tends to be a toggle switch, and they go on long winning streaks starting after the game she attends.

She’ll be substituted for my son throughout the rest of the playoffs.

by ddavis539 on Oct 12, 2009 11:53 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

good bench move

no choice but to pull her.

by tulolgit2quit on Oct 12, 2009 11:55 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

there is nothing but hilarity in this exchange

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by Andrew Martin on Oct 12, 2009 11:57 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Unfortunately, as a result

“going with the hot hand” takes on a whole different meaning, if you catch my drift.

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by Mondogarage on Oct 12, 2009 2:19 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

still, comedy gold

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by Andrew Martin on Oct 13, 2009 9:15 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Commentin with

“Go Yankees!” every time someone mentioned the Yankees.

NEVER SURRENDER DREAMS

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by Russ Oates on Oct 12, 2009 12:31 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

I was wearing my Carolina sweatshirt

all day because it’s so warm, with every intention of changing into my Rockies hoodie at game time. Lo and behold, it was the 4th inning and I was still sporting Carolina Blue. And Hammel was imploding. And you know the rest. Bah.

Rocktober is the best time of year, yes?

by rockhead on Oct 12, 2009 1:08 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wore my Hawpe jersey I got last Christmas

We’ve never won a game when I wear it, but always forget till it’s too late. I need to put a sticky note on it or something to remind me.

Also, I went to the game. 0-2 when I go to a postseason game.

by Rockie4Ever on Oct 12, 2009 1:54 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

I went to the game

I go to games every time I come home, and we always lose. My record is like 3-8 or something. I’m sorry.

by tulolgit2quit on Oct 12, 2009 11:49 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

I wore a mega man knit hat

Rather then a rockies cap. I did wear my Orix blue Wave lucky jersey though. I’ll be wearing a rox cap tonight

by andrewrox on Oct 12, 2009 11:59 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

they make mega man hats?

i can’t imagine that could be bad luck.

by tulolgit2quit on Oct 12, 2009 12:07 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Girl at work did

She made it for me. She likes to knit

by andrewrox on Oct 12, 2009 12:13 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

All the Rockies need to do is win 2 games in a row

They’ve done that 20 times already this season. Time to make it 21.

GO ROCKIES!!!

The Colorado Rockies aren't a team, they're an armada.

by free7694 on Oct 12, 2009 12:04 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

It HAS to be more than 20 times!!!

In the 11 game win streak alone they did it 10 times!

"The greater the obstacle, the more glory in overcoming it." ~Moliere

by Rock Oax on Oct 12, 2009 12:11 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I just counted all winning streaks of at least 2 games

So the 11-gamer only counted once

The Colorado Rockies aren't a team, they're an armada.

by free7694 on Oct 12, 2009 12:13 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

just for the record

Tierney Faith is just cute as the dickens.

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by Andrew Martin on Oct 12, 2009 12:06 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Well

her dad had a good slider back in the day (or so I hear)

"We made too many wrong mistakes." ~Yogi Berra
"The ballplayer who loses his head, who can't keep his cool, is worse than no ballplayer at all." ~Lou Gehrig
JFK

by jrockies on Oct 12, 2009 12:13 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

already? the game is at 4

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by Andrew Martin on Oct 12, 2009 12:17 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yea but I was up till 2 last night

work isn’t exactly exciting…i’m out in 2 hours

by andrewrox on Oct 12, 2009 12:18 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm with you on everything except the 2AM

130AM for me

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by Andrew Martin on Oct 12, 2009 12:19 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

In order to leave work early enough to make the game today

I had to come into work at 4:00 this morning. I’m going to be very tired when I get home tonight, but it’ll be worth it.

by ddavis539 on Oct 12, 2009 12:24 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Walks and situational hitting

As we know, there were three areas where the Utley hit was f’d up in the ninth — but I actually found the home umpires quote “the batter didn’t act like anything was wrong” most galling of all. It’s not his job to determine a call on the reaction of the player…I just shake my head at this.

But, the 8 walks (whether umpire assisted or not) and the rockies poor situational hitting (other than Atkins in the 1st and 3rd innings) really hurt us. Once again the rox pinch hitters and other clutch ABs (Tulo) were trying to swing for Wyoming when a dink hit would’ve been just as well. The temp dropped at least 10-15 degrees during the 7th inning and no one was going to hit one out — the ball was just dying. I agree with the assessment of Giambi somewhere above; he hasn’t been going with the pitch at all the last few games — he’s also swinging for the fences.

The rox need to watch the 9th inning of the last Angels-Red Sox game. If VLAD GUERRERO can realize the importance of a dink hit at the right time…

I think Yorvit had Chuckie Knoblauch syndrome. Everytime he had a rare homer the next day he would go 0 fer trying to swing out of his shoetops. Tom Kelly finally started benching him the day after a homer for this very reason.

I’ll be there again today screaming and abusing what’s left of my vocal cords. ;0)

GOOOOOOOOO ROOOOOCKIESSSS!!!!!!!

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by WalkInRight on Oct 12, 2009 12:21 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

How was the strike zone

I was in the rockpile it was too far to tell…

by andrewrox on Oct 12, 2009 12:24 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I posted it above

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by Andrew Martin on Oct 12, 2009 12:27 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good point on Yorvit

you could see the internal conflict there. He knew he was swinging at high cheese and for the fences, and he knew that it was not the approach he’s been using to great success lately. Couldn’t help himself, it seemed.

by Teekalong on Oct 12, 2009 12:30 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

we have this other catcher

walks a lot and stuff, hits for decent power, controls the running game well

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by Andrew Martin on Oct 12, 2009 12:33 PM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

which we need

to control with Ubaldo on the hill this afternoon

"We made too many wrong mistakes." ~Yogi Berra
"The ballplayer who loses his head, who can't keep his cool, is worse than no ballplayer at all." ~Lou Gehrig
JFK

by jrockies on Oct 12, 2009 12:34 PM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

too bad he's not starting

I figured he wouldn’t though

"We made too many wrong mistakes." ~Yogi Berra
"The ballplayer who loses his head, who can't keep his cool, is worse than no ballplayer at all." ~Lou Gehrig
JFK

by jrockies on Oct 12, 2009 12:37 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hey I'm on board

As everyone knows (assuming people don’t immediately skip my posts which may be a mistaken assumption) I’m a big Yorvit fan, and I’ll be fine if he gets the start. But I do think CDI needs to get some burn in this game. I don’t like using one catcher every game unless its late-90s Piazza or something. I would also like to see Smith in left and Cargo in right to go with Dex.

I expect we’ll see the same lineup from yesterday.

by Teekalong on Oct 12, 2009 12:37 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lineups posted in link below

"We made too many wrong mistakes." ~Yogi Berra
"The ballplayer who loses his head, who can't keep his cool, is worse than no ballplayer at all." ~Lou Gehrig
JFK

by jrockies on Oct 12, 2009 12:38 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I guess it wasn't really directed at you

just kind of a snide comment in general about the situation

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by Andrew Martin on Oct 12, 2009 12:40 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Last time we faced Lee

Dex hit lead-off. I think that small adjustment at the top of the order could be HUGE. I anticipate a shut down performance by Ubaldo, and we will get to Lee.

Go Rockies!!!

"The greater the obstacle, the more glory in overcoming it." ~Moliere

by Rock Oax on Oct 12, 2009 12:25 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

if nothing else

The batters have had plenty of practice hitting lefties. At some point, things are going to start clicking.

by ddavis539 on Oct 12, 2009 12:26 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

My Wish

is for us to start fouling off more pitches against Lee. I know he had an absurd number of 0-2 counts, but we are usually really good at working those counts into longer at-bats.

by tulolgit2quit on Oct 12, 2009 12:31 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Helton is usualy very good at working an AB into a decent pitch to hit or walk

It would be nice if he could start contributing more.

I’m in awe of how well Cargo is doing.

by ddavis539 on Oct 12, 2009 12:35 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Seth Smith sighting!

Renck’s post on the lineup.

As of the time I post this, Renck has them going with a novel 2 LF, 0 RF alignment.

Leave Dexter alone! You're lucky he even performs for you!

by FooMan on Oct 12, 2009 12:34 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

sweet

two left fielders, this should be almost like little league again.

"We made too many wrong mistakes." ~Yogi Berra
"The ballplayer who loses his head, who can't keep his cool, is worse than no ballplayer at all." ~Lou Gehrig
JFK

by jrockies on Oct 12, 2009 12:35 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Smith in LF

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by Andrew Martin on Oct 12, 2009 12:39 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think I would rather

have Smith bat second and have Dex bat 7-8 (9?) to add a little dimension to the lineup. I don’t like Smith batting behind Yorvit because I think he’s better and would be in a better position to help the team batting in front of him.

"We made too many wrong mistakes." ~Yogi Berra
"The ballplayer who loses his head, who can't keep his cool, is worse than no ballplayer at all." ~Lou Gehrig
JFK

by jrockies on Oct 12, 2009 12:39 PM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

IAWTC

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by Andrew Martin on Oct 12, 2009 12:40 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is

the first time all season right? What horrible timing

"We made too many wrong mistakes." ~Yogi Berra
"The ballplayer who loses his head, who can't keep his cool, is worse than no ballplayer at all." ~Lou Gehrig
JFK

by jrockies on Oct 12, 2009 12:44 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

has CarGo started any games in RF this year?

I can't decide whether I'm hungry or just really tired.

by WalkInRight on Oct 12, 2009 12:45 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

yes

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by Andrew Martin on Oct 12, 2009 12:46 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

how many?

I like the lineup but it might have been prudent to ‘test out’ this alignment a few times during the regular season…

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by WalkInRight on Oct 12, 2009 12:47 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

2 starts, 28 innings

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by Andrew Martin on Oct 12, 2009 12:55 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

thanks

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by WalkInRight on Oct 12, 2009 12:57 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Seconded

I’ve been calling for that lineup forever.

by Yokel on Oct 12, 2009 12:46 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

your 2010 Colorado Rockies outfield!

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by WalkInRight on Oct 12, 2009 12:53 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I know I'm alone in this.

but how do you not start a RF whether it be Hawpe or Spilly? In our do or die game.

Dear Rockies - Win today for the ToddFather! (and because I'm not ready to quit you for the season.)

Troy Tulowitzki - THE best SS in the game..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba - En Fuego!! (when hitting 6th or 7th)
Brad Hawpe- Big Bad Brad, hope we get to see you today!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, stalking the NL Pennant

by SDcat09 on Oct 12, 2009 12:56 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

You don't think Cargo is up for the challenge?

This IS our best outfield. I am really happy with it!

GOOOO ROOOOCKIIEEEESS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

"The greater the obstacle, the more glory in overcoming it." ~Moliere

by Rock Oax on Oct 12, 2009 1:08 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm dubious...

the last time I saw him play RF was in New York and he was getting turned around. That’s all I’m asking.

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Troy Tulowitzki - THE best SS in the game..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba - En Fuego!! (when hitting 6th or 7th)
Brad Hawpe- Big Bad Brad, hope we get to see you today!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, stalking the NL Pennant

by SDcat09 on Oct 12, 2009 1:17 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I am totally confident in Cargo

And very hopeful that Smith can do better at the plate than Hawpe or Spilly!

"The greater the obstacle, the more glory in overcoming it." ~Moliere

by Rock Oax on Oct 12, 2009 1:21 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Gonzalez is a CF

How do you start a CF in LF?

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by Andrew Martin on Oct 12, 2009 1:11 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

your sarcasm is noted...

Dear Rockies - Win today for the ToddFather! (and because I'm not ready to quit you for the season.)

Troy Tulowitzki - THE best SS in the game..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba - En Fuego!! (when hitting 6th or 7th)
Brad Hawpe- Big Bad Brad, hope we get to see you today!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, stalking the NL Pennant

by SDcat09 on Oct 12, 2009 1:17 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

well, it's just meant to be mild sarcasm

he’s an elite defensive OF, and an average CF is going to be a very good LF or RF, just look at Carl Crawford.

The only thing that distinguishes a RF and LF for me (in a very general sense) is arm strength. I play Hawpe in RF, Juan Pierre in LF.

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by Andrew Martin on Oct 12, 2009 1:19 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Do you think CarGo's arm strength and accuracy is superior to Hawpe's?

Dear Rockies - Win today for the ToddFather! (and because I'm not ready to quit you for the season.)

Troy Tulowitzki - THE best SS in the game..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba - En Fuego!! (when hitting 6th or 7th)
Brad Hawpe- Big Bad Brad, hope we get to see you today!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, stalking the NL Pennant

by SDcat09 on Oct 12, 2009 1:22 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

superior?

no

range and ability to play tough fly balls/line drives?

abso-spanking lutely.

Hawpe’s arm is a nice luxury, but it’s like putting leather seats into a 1988 Toyota Tercel. Either way, my 2009 Passat is going to smoke it, even if I have the cloth seats in it.

FREE CHRIS IANNETTA

At least against LHP, I mean COME ON

by Andrew Martin on Oct 12, 2009 1:23 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

disclaimer:

I do not own a 2009 Passat. I own a Jetta. I’d LOVE a TDI Passat. Esp with a stick shift.

FREE CHRIS IANNETTA

At least against LHP, I mean COME ON

by Andrew Martin on Oct 12, 2009 1:24 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

TWSS

"The greater the obstacle, the more glory in overcoming it." ~Moliere

by Rock Oax on Oct 12, 2009 2:10 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cargo's range is superior

arm strength no, but range is more important

"The greater the obstacle, the more glory in overcoming it." ~Moliere

by Rock Oax on Oct 12, 2009 1:24 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I understand what you are saying..

I’m still dubious… I hope we win no matter what…but I’m dubious

Dear Rockies - Win today for the ToddFather! (and because I'm not ready to quit you for the season.)

Troy Tulowitzki - THE best SS in the game..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba - En Fuego!! (when hitting 6th or 7th)
Brad Hawpe- Big Bad Brad, hope we get to see you today!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, stalking the NL Pennant

by SDcat09 on Oct 12, 2009 1:41 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

hahaha, I don't blame you

I guess I see the OF as completely different than the IF. I figure a good CF can play LF and RF better, relative to position. But a good 3B may not be a good 2B or even an average SS. Can you imagine Rolen at SS?

FREE CHRIS IANNETTA

At least against LHP, I mean COME ON

by Andrew Martin on Oct 12, 2009 1:43 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

My thing is still that Hawpe's arm

is a threat. Singles are limited to doubles. It’s known what he can do. Teams don’t test him in that regard. I don’t like trying this in our elimination game. The Phillies will be very aggressive running on us today, I think. I think they will test CarGo in RF.

That’s what I’m worried about.

Dear Rockies - Win today for the ToddFather! (and because I'm not ready to quit you for the season.)

Troy Tulowitzki - THE best SS in the game..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba - En Fuego!! (when hitting 6th or 7th)
Brad Hawpe- Big Bad Brad, hope we get to see you today!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, stalking the NL Pennant

by SDcat09 on Oct 12, 2009 1:46 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

*err...doubles are limited to singles...

Dear Rockies - Win today for the ToddFather! (and because I'm not ready to quit you for the season.)

Troy Tulowitzki - THE best SS in the game..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba - En Fuego!! (when hitting 6th or 7th)
Brad Hawpe- Big Bad Brad, hope we get to see you today!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, stalking the NL Pennant

by SDcat09 on Oct 12, 2009 1:46 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

But really it is between Cargo and Spilly

Hawpe probably wasn’t going to play anyway. And Smith has a much better bat than Spilly!

"The greater the obstacle, the more glory in overcoming it." ~Moliere

by Rock Oax on Oct 12, 2009 1:49 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

i think cargo can make up in speed in getting to the ball what

hawpe may have over him in arm strength.

May the Rockies bring me to paydirt!

by Rocks rock on Oct 12, 2009 1:49 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree...

The odds that range has an impact on a play are much greater than the odds that arm strength has an impact. How often are there outfield assists anyway?

"The greater the obstacle, the more glory in overcoming it." ~Moliere

by Rock Oax on Oct 12, 2009 1:51 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

thing is with his arm

doubles are held to deep singles

thing is, with Gonzalez, that double is an out because he got there and caught it.

FREE CHRIS IANNETTA

At least against LHP, I mean COME ON

by Andrew Martin on Oct 12, 2009 1:50 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly...

And if he didn’t catch it he still got there faster!

"The greater the obstacle, the more glory in overcoming it." ~Moliere

by Rock Oax on Oct 12, 2009 1:51 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

we'll see....believe me, I want to be wrong...

but like I already said…I’m dubious….

Dear Rockies - Win today for the ToddFather! (and because I'm not ready to quit you for the season.)

Troy Tulowitzki - THE best SS in the game..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba - En Fuego!! (when hitting 6th or 7th)
Brad Hawpe- Big Bad Brad, hope we get to see you today!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, stalking the NL Pennant

by SDcat09 on Oct 12, 2009 1:52 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't like it when you are dubious

Please think positive thoughts!

"The greater the obstacle, the more glory in overcoming it." ~Moliere

by Rock Oax on Oct 12, 2009 1:53 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I've not really questioned

much that Tracy has done this season at all. I doubt you want to know what I’m really feeling about today.

Dear Rockies - Win today for the ToddFather! (and because I'm not ready to quit you for the season.)

Troy Tulowitzki - THE best SS in the game..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba - En Fuego!! (when hitting 6th or 7th)
Brad Hawpe- Big Bad Brad, hope we get to see you today!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, stalking the NL Pennant

by SDcat09 on Oct 12, 2009 1:56 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Elimination games are scary

But AWESOME. It is OK to have doubts, but try to overcome your doubts with optimism!
The Rockies are a very special truly awesome team. I believe in them!

GO ROCKIES!!!

"The greater the obstacle, the more glory in overcoming it." ~Moliere

by Rock Oax on Oct 12, 2009 1:58 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Batting Practice is on MLB Network

showing the ballpark cam :)

Dear Rockies - Win today for the ToddFather! (and because I'm not ready to quit you for the season.)

Troy Tulowitzki - THE best SS in the game..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba - En Fuego!! (when hitting 6th or 7th)
Brad Hawpe- Big Bad Brad, hope we get to see you today!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, stalking the NL Pennant

by SDcat09 on Oct 12, 2009 2:02 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

For a while I had access to the Postseason.tv

and could watch that… but now I don’t :-(
I can watch the actual game feed live though. But the announcers are better in Spanish and there is slightly less delay.

How do we look?

"The greater the obstacle, the more glory in overcoming it." ~Moliere

by Rock Oax on Oct 12, 2009 2:14 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hawpe, Giambi, Stewy and Spilly

were hitting. Hawpe looked pretty intense and was hitting the ball sharply. Spilly looked serious and took some some hacks. Giambi is Giambi. and Stewy was making good contact.

They’ll be showing this until gametime. Maybe my outlook will improve if I have some TACOS during the game…

Dear Rockies - Win today for the ToddFather! (and because I'm not ready to quit you for the season.)

Troy Tulowitzki - THE best SS in the game..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba - En Fuego!! (when hitting 6th or 7th)
Brad Hawpe- Big Bad Brad, hope we get to see you today!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, stalking the NL Pennant

by SDcat09 on Oct 12, 2009 2:27 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

You should look for huitlacoche!

Makes awesome Tacos! I’m sure you could find it somewhere around there!

Oh, and thanks for the report!

"The greater the obstacle, the more glory in overcoming it." ~Moliere

by Rock Oax on Oct 12, 2009 2:30 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ladies and Gents

I’m off to take a test (1:00-2:00) and then I’m off to the game.

Enjoy and cheer and drink some beer and

GOOOOOOO ROCKIES!!!!!!!!!!!

"We made too many wrong mistakes." ~Yogi Berra
"The ballplayer who loses his head, who can't keep his cool, is worse than no ballplayer at all." ~Lou Gehrig
JFK

by jrockies on Oct 12, 2009 12:44 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

rockin

FREE CHRIS IANNETTA

At least against LHP, I mean COME ON

by Andrew Martin on Oct 12, 2009 12:46 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Gear Question

Is there any way to get those sweet earflap-caps? I want one.

by Yokel on Oct 12, 2009 12:47 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

If you're in CO

They’re at Dugout Stores

The Colorado Rockies aren't a team, they're an armada.

by free7694 on Oct 12, 2009 12:48 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Crud

Unfortunately, I am not.

by Yokel on Oct 12, 2009 12:48 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Google “colorado rockies downflap hat” and you will get several online stores that have them.

"There's nothing bad that accrues from baseball." — Bart Giamatti

by Nominal Egg on Oct 12, 2009 12:54 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for the heads up

Unfortunately, all I can find are the S/M sizes rather than the M/L I probably need. I’ll keep looking, though.

by Yokel on Oct 12, 2009 2:10 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I am getting really anxious

Can we go ahead and start the game early?
Thanks

"The greater the obstacle, the more glory in overcoming it." ~Moliere

by Rock Oax on Oct 12, 2009 1:40 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

hey hey hey

I still need to go GET there

FREE CHRIS IANNETTA

At least against LHP, I mean COME ON

by Andrew Martin on Oct 12, 2009 1:43 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, hurry up

geez!

"The greater the obstacle, the more glory in overcoming it." ~Moliere

by Rock Oax on Oct 12, 2009 1:46 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

WORKIN ON IT

FREE CHRIS IANNETTA

At least against LHP, I mean COME ON

by Andrew Martin on Oct 12, 2009 1:50 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

dude

stupid test at 5:30. trying to get hold of prof to take test early but he is not responding to email and is not in this office. bahhhhhhhhh I qwant to see the whole game

Dex Knows
Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. -C.S. Lewis

by RockiesDave on Oct 12, 2009 1:46 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Somehow Barmes makes the "not in a valley" cut

"You are in situation where you have to put the lineup out there that feels like puts you in the best position to score runs, and if you happen to be in a valley, you are not going to be in there." ~J. Tracy

"The greater the obstacle, the more glory in overcoming it." ~Moliere

by Rock Oax on Oct 12, 2009 2:09 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Think we..

Still need some defensive consideration though don’t we? Especially infield? Hard to not field the Tulo-Barmes double play combo in a game like this.

by Rox4brains on Oct 12, 2009 2:13 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree

I just think it somehow clashes with what Tracy was saying.

I am predicting a big day at the plate for Barmes! He will hit for at least 3 total bases.

"The greater the obstacle, the more glory in overcoming it." ~Moliere

by Rock Oax on Oct 12, 2009 2:16 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

meant to say "gets a hit period.

Not sure how you took it…

The Future:

Smith LF
Fowler CF
CarGo RF

by wolf213 on Oct 12, 2009 3:14 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was trying to be funny.

It never seems to work here. I’ll put it down to the fact that I’m just not all that funny.

by biondino on Oct 12, 2009 3:18 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

you are funny. Maybe its the wry Brit humour

that is lost on us..:)

Dear Rockies - Win today for the ToddFather! (and because I'm not ready to quit you for the season.)

Troy Tulowitzki - THE best SS in the game..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba - En Fuego!! (when hitting 6th or 7th)
Brad Hawpe- Big Bad Brad, hope we get to see you today!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, stalking the NL Pennant

by SDcat09 on Oct 12, 2009 3:19 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yea...it does seem a little contradictory...

we’ll see :)

Dear Rockies - Win today for the ToddFather! (and because I'm not ready to quit you for the season.)

Troy Tulowitzki - THE best SS in the game..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba - En Fuego!! (when hitting 6th or 7th)
Brad Hawpe- Big Bad Brad, hope we get to see you today!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, stalking the NL Pennant

by SDcat09 on Oct 12, 2009 2:40 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I just gotta say

Go Rockies!!!!!!!!

Brad Hawpe - Providing Air Conditioning to Catchers Everywhere.

Hey I'm on Youtube!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gAlLTZsGUg

by wolf213 on Oct 12, 2009 2:43 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Ringolsby on MLB Network

Says that the top 8 Umpires in the league have health or other issues, that have made them unavailable to work in the playoffs. And this is why the level of officiating is lesser. He also said the outfield today is likely the outfield next year. Nothing new there, just thought I would share.

Dear Rockies - Win today for the ToddFather! (and because I'm not ready to quit you for the season.)

Troy Tulowitzki - THE best SS in the game..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba - En Fuego!! (when hitting 6th or 7th)
Brad Hawpe- Big Bad Brad, hope we get to see you today!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, stalking the NL Pennant

by SDcat09 on Oct 12, 2009 2:47 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Yea thought that was interesting

that he thought Spilly and Bradley were likely to both be moved. I’d be sad to see Spilly go, but he is replaceable and Murton would be a fine 4th OF.

by Hizilla on Oct 12, 2009 3:00 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I just dont understand why the Rox

would sign Hawpe to a 3 year contract just last year only to move him the next year. I’d be sad to see either or both go.

Dear Rockies - Win today for the ToddFather! (and because I'm not ready to quit you for the season.)

Troy Tulowitzki - THE best SS in the game..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba - En Fuego!! (when hitting 6th or 7th)
Brad Hawpe- Big Bad Brad, hope we get to see you today!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, stalking the NL Pennant

by SDcat09 on Oct 12, 2009 3:02 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Quite a bit

has changed since they sign that contract. Smith has emerged as a guy that can play every day. They traded for CarGo, who it has become clear has the potential to be a star. When you have those other options, a $10mil a year corner OF becomes a luxury that is unnecessary. Sad truths.

by Hizilla on Oct 12, 2009 3:04 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I guess this will just be trend going forward..

blech

Dear Rockies - Win today for the ToddFather! (and because I'm not ready to quit you for the season.)

Troy Tulowitzki - THE best SS in the game..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba - En Fuego!! (when hitting 6th or 7th)
Brad Hawpe- Big Bad Brad, hope we get to see you today!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, stalking the NL Pennant

by SDcat09 on Oct 12, 2009 3:05 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Tough part about

being a fan of a small(er) market franchise. Here’s hoping that we still have 3 more weeks of baseball to root for them.

by Hizilla on Oct 12, 2009 3:09 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not only that

but with the development of Smith and Gonzalez. Hawpe becomes our third best outfielder… and we aren’t going to be benching Fowler anytime soon next season. Hawpe is a decent bat who needs to be a DH. I think he can fetch us something shiny in the offseason and we will be a better team because of it.

The Future:

Smith LF
Fowler CF
CarGo RF

by wolf213 on Oct 12, 2009 3:08 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sweet

I’d miss Spilly, but I will not miss Lawn Gnome Hawpe. Can we dump “I swing at everything” Barmes while we are at it.

The Future:

Smith LF
Fowler CF
CarGo RF

by wolf213 on Oct 12, 2009 3:02 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm sorry I posted this now...

Dear Rockies - Win today for the ToddFather! (and because I'm not ready to quit you for the season.)

Troy Tulowitzki - THE best SS in the game..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba - En Fuego!! (when hitting 6th or 7th)
Brad Hawpe- Big Bad Brad, hope we get to see you today!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, stalking the NL Pennant

by SDcat09 on Oct 12, 2009 3:03 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't be

its good discussion.

The Future:

Smith LF
Fowler CF
CarGo RF

by wolf213 on Oct 12, 2009 3:04 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

No, I do regret it. I was a hypocrite.

I don’t like these discussions during the season especially the playoff. Don’t know what I was thinking.

Dear Rockies - Win today for the ToddFather! (and because I'm not ready to quit you for the season.)

Troy Tulowitzki - THE best SS in the game..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba - En Fuego!! (when hitting 6th or 7th)
Brad Hawpe- Big Bad Brad, hope we get to see you today!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, stalking the NL Pennant

by SDcat09 on Oct 12, 2009 3:06 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was really supposed to get some work done today

I have a deadline on Thursday, and I cannot even think about my “work”. I am so hopelessly distracted by the Rockies right now!
Once we win this afternoon, maybe I can concentrate and get some work done (yeah, right!).

"The greater the obstacle, the more glory in overcoming it." ~Moliere

by Rock Oax on Oct 12, 2009 2:51 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Same here...

I’m in a conference room with a couple of senior people in my office, 4 blocks away from Coors and I just don’t really want to do anything else but go to the game and watch our guys take it to Lee.

BTW I was at the game last night and it was FREEZING. Someone needs to teach our guys how to pitch with long sleeves, I was wearing multiple layers and was frozen I couldn’t believe when these guys started showing up with short sleeves.

GO ROCKIES!!!!

by Latrock on Oct 12, 2009 3:03 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Will miss sharing the game here with everyone....Just can't skip class tonight.

Hopefully, I will be here reading all the happy post victory comments after the game. GO ROCKIES!!!!

by GoodOleBoyCo on Oct 12, 2009 2:59 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm sick so you guys are my enjoyment for today

hopefully the Rockies win

"I've never known a man worth his salt who in the long run, deep down in his heart, didn't appreciate the grind, the discipline... I firmly believe that any man's finest hour - this greatest fulfillment to all he holds dear is that moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle, victorious." - Vince Lombardi

by nodakroxfan on Oct 12, 2009 3:11 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

So here we are back at Coors in a balmy 43 degrees

to see the Rox LIGHT UP LEE and PHEAST ON THE PHILS!!! GO ROX!!!

"Good pitching will beat good hitting any time, and vice versa." ~Bob Veale

"Jason Giambi: Clint Barmes' designated hitter." ~Paleface Destro

by Rox the Casbah on Oct 12, 2009 3:14 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

10-run 1st inning for the Rox, please

As I am exhausted and already falling asleep.

by biondino on Oct 12, 2009 3:18 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

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