Monday Rockpile: Projecting pitchers, Bill James-style

by Russ Oates on Oct 26, 2009 8:09 AM MDT in Rockpile Comment 120 comments

Not much news on the Rockies out there. If you're an Indians fan, you can discuss hiring Manny Acta as manager. Or if you're a Cardinals fan, there's a rumor going around that Mark McGwire will be the new hitting coach for the team. Seems it isn't a rumor anymore. That's ripe for discussion. But still no news on the Rockies. Instead, I give you the Bill James' 2010 projections for Colorado Rockies pitchers from 2009:

	G	GS	IP	H	HR	BB	SO	HB	W	L	Sv	ERA
Joe Beimel	72	0	51	53	3	21	30	1	3	2	0	3.88
Rafael Betancourt	70	0	60	51	6	16	60	0	5	2	2	2.70
Taylor Buchholz	26	0	31	31	4	9	22	1	2	1	0	3.77
Aaron Cook	28	28	164	186	14	47	69	5	9	9	0	4.34
Manny Corpas	65	0	67	68	5	16	49	2	5	3	4	3.49
Matt Daley	68	0	58	54	7	20	53	2	4	3	0	3.57
Jorge De La Rosa	33	33	194	200	22	94	174	9	10	11	0	4.73
Alan Embree	60	0	45	45	5	15	37	1	3	2	0	3.80
Jeff Francis	26	26	157	171	19	52	109	7	9	9	0	4.59
Jason Hammel	32	32	182	200	20	63	144	8	10	10	0	4.55
Ubaldo Jimenez	33	33	210	195	17	102	182	11	13	10	0	3.94
Jason Marquis	32	32	202	209	22	77	110	9	12	11	0	4.37
Franklin Morales	57	1	56	56	6	33	43	7	3	4	4	5.30
Huston Street	56	0	57	45	5	15	60	1	4	2	31	2.37

If you want to compare these projections to 2009's, go here. These ones are always fun to look at because after the season you can go back and laugh at how conservative they are.

Again, thank ACTA Sports for the sneak preview at these projections. If you want the entire set of projections and much more you can purchase the book here.

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Scnikees...

Are the Bill James projections always so rough, or do they just expect a regression something ugly for the starters?

"I clearly miscalculated how popular it would be to show Calvin urinating on a Ford logo"--Bill Watterson

by frightenedinmate#2 on Oct 26, 2009 8:15 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs

A lot of these projection systems

don’t provide very sexy numbers.

They also never project breakout seasons (which makes a ton of sense).

"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker

by Resolution on Oct 26, 2009 8:22 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

James is usually fairly optimistic for hitters but rough on pitchers

Projection systems never project anything great as far as W/L, and given dlr, ubaldo and hammel had career years, they are projected to regress

"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein

by Andrew T. Fisher on Oct 26, 2009 8:31 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs

Iwamura

Let me just put out there what we’re all thinking: the Rockies should, if he is bought out, sign Akinori Iwamura. Or, if the Rays pick up his option, they should trade Chris Nelson for Iwamura. Barmes gave some nice defense and some power at second, but Iwamura is a good defender, can play multiple positions, and has a career OBP 53 points higher than Barmes’.

Lone goal of the off-season: acquire Iwamura.

by deacs on Oct 26, 2009 8:40 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs

I could be for or against this

though I still think EY2 should really be given the opportunity.

However, one of the bigger problems with Iwamura is that he’s left handed, which means 3/5 of the infield and 2/3 of the OF will be left handed.

"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker

by Resolution on Oct 26, 2009 8:51 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Good Point

And I guess trading Hawpe doesn’t change that since Seth Smith would probably get more ABs. Iwamura just seems like a good fit based on batting profile, salary and that – if he likes Tampa – he’d probably love Denver. In rebuttal, it worked for the Phillies?

by deacs on Oct 26, 2009 8:55 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

except only one of those lh bats struggled against lhp

Two are switch hitters, and iirc, utley and ibanez were every bit as good if not better against lhp.

"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein

by Andrew T. Fisher on Oct 26, 2009 9:12 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs

Iwamura is an average defender at best and his bat really isn't that impressive

What he adds in OBP he detracts in defensive range.

If we’re not going to go for gusto, we might as well let the in-house options get the best chance.

Hope got in my eyes

by Andrew Martin on Oct 26, 2009 8:57 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

WAR would disagreee

In their lone full seasons at 2B, Iwamura (2008) put up 2.6 WAR to Barmes’ (2009) 1.6. But, yeah, it’s not an upgrade that jumps out. It would be nice to have another guy get on base regularly at the top of the lineup in front. Imagine Gonzo/Dexter, (mystery 2nd Base), and Helton with OBPs of .350 to .400 in front of Tulo, Hawpe, Ianetta. It’d be nice.

What’s the gusto for the second base market this off-season?

by deacs on Oct 26, 2009 9:15 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Barmes WAR 1.9, my bad

by deacs on Oct 26, 2009 9:15 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

there really isn't one, unless we make a play like Brian Roberts or Aaron Hill

Aki’s OBP isn’t terrible, I’m not denying that, but the rest of his game is pretty meh. We already have a .350+ OBP guy to dump in the 2 hole, actually 2 of them, one a LHB and the other a switch

Hope got in my eyes

by Andrew Martin on Oct 26, 2009 9:18 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Hill

Hopefully the new management in Toronto wouldn’t be any better at getting prospects back for solid players than the last.

by deacs on Oct 26, 2009 9:24 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

at one point I suggested looking at Felipe Lopez

Hope got in my eyes

by Andrew Martin on Oct 26, 2009 9:28 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

That's not bad...

Probably the same price as Iwamura, and not much more than Barmes would get in arb. But there’d prob have to be a 2-3 year commitment. Another switch hit would give a ton of flex in the lineup.

Plus he always ends up on my fantasy team.

What happens to Barmes if another 2B is acquired? Seems like the Twins love his type, and Barmes does like deer meat.

by deacs on Oct 26, 2009 9:51 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

do you not suggest that anymore?

lopez has been someone who i have wanted them to go after. i just dont know what the price will be

by purplesocks on Oct 26, 2009 10:06 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

oh I just brought it up in a thread a little while ago

my heart is still out there for Brian Roberts, but I think he’s far less likely than Lopez.

Hope got in my eyes

by Andrew Martin on Oct 26, 2009 10:15 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

You think?

"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein

by Andrew T. Fisher on Oct 26, 2009 10:18 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

shaddup

Hope got in my eyes

by Andrew Martin on Oct 26, 2009 10:18 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

I've rethought Brian Roberts and am against it, here's why...

…in a nutshell, he’s signed through his age 37 year. He’s 32 now. In the post-steroids era, to expect he’s not going to regress fairly significantly over the life of that contract is highly unrealistic. Sure, he’s give us a boost in ‘10 and ’11, but he’ll be untradeable after that, with $30m remaining on his deal, just as we should be clear of the relative albatross that is Helton’s contract.

Watching the purple row from high atop the big brown monolith on California Ave

by Mondogarage on Oct 26, 2009 2:46 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'm not sure

which Felipe Lopez we’d be getting. He’s definitely a big sell-high guy right now…

"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker

by Resolution on Oct 26, 2009 10:16 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

well it'd be buy high or Barmes.

Hope got in my eyes

by Andrew Martin on Oct 26, 2009 10:19 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

aaron hill is really just barmes with a somewhat higher batting average as well

and a slightly more suspect glove.

Hope got in my eyes

by Andrew Martin on Oct 26, 2009 9:27 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'm not sure it's worth trying to get someone else to play second

To me there are really only five guys who I would consider elite second basemen (Chase Utley, Ben Zobrist, Dustin Pedroia, Ian Kinsler, and Robinson Cano) and none of them are going anywhere. While there are about a dozen more guys you could probably say are better than Barmes, I don’t see anyone else as a HUGE improvement over him. Instead of giving up prospects or adding to the payroll we should probably keep what we have for now.

I'm still hoping to wake up from that nightmare I had about the 9th inning of Game 4.

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 26, 2009 9:58 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

brian roberts is in the top three of 2 baggers, imo

Winners never quit, and quitters never win. But if you never quit *and* never win, you are an idiot

by squalene203 on Oct 26, 2009 11:24 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

I think you are being too generous

Brian Roberts has only hit .300 once, has career OPS of .776, and is mediocre defensivly. I think he’s really good but he is not on the Utley, Zobrist, Pedroia, Kinsler, and Cano level.

I'm still hoping to wake up from that nightmare I had about the 9th inning of Game 4.

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 26, 2009 11:38 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

you're right, I spoke too soon. Utley, Pedroia, Zobrist, Kinsler, and Hill are better.

I’m not sure on Cano, but he is also very good

Winners never quit, and quitters never win. But if you never quit *and* never win, you are an idiot

by squalene203 on Oct 26, 2009 11:44 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

I wouldn't lump Zobrist in there based on one excellent season

and Utley is in his own level above Pedroia, Kinsler, and Robbie.

But I more or less agree with this. Roberts would be a good fit for our club IMO, which is why I’m always pushing for him. But he’s not a top flight guy, he has toolsets our organization values.

Hope got in my eyes

by Andrew Martin on Oct 26, 2009 11:45 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

He is

OLLLLLLDDDDDDDD

by Hizilla on Oct 26, 2009 1:03 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

I didn't say lock him up for 7 years

but until Nelson or Gomez is ready to really take the reins, we can squeeze the rest of his skillset out

Hope got in my eyes

by Andrew Martin on Oct 26, 2009 1:09 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

No choice, he's already signed for the next 4 years

4 years/$40M (2010-13)

    * signed extension with Baltimore 2/20/09
    * 10:$10M, 11:$10M, 12:$10M, 13:$10M
    * limited no-trade protection: Roberts may block deals to 8 clubs in 2010, 12 clubs in 2011
    * full no-trade protection in 2012
    * award bonuses

So I amend my previous comment above, but he’s signed through his age 36 season. That’s a lot of money for a less than absolutely elite 2B who should regress significantly over the life of the deal.

Watching the purple row from high atop the big brown monolith on California Ave

by Mondogarage on Oct 26, 2009 2:48 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

I refer you to Mondo’s comment above for my rebuttal.

by Hizilla on Oct 26, 2009 5:26 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

look do you wanna make the postseason again next year

Hope got in my eyes

by Andrew Martin on Oct 26, 2009 6:04 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Not that it’s relevant, but you’re making me go here…

Postseason trips:
Brian Roberts 0
Clint Barmes 2
Jason Marquis 54

by Hizilla on Oct 26, 2009 7:18 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Barmes 1

he wasn’t on the 2007 roster.

Hope got in my eyes

by Andrew Martin on Oct 26, 2009 7:28 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Right you are

I could swear he was the the 2007 version of Q, but I guess that would have been Jamey Carrol.

by Hizilla on Oct 26, 2009 7:30 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Really though.

My argument against Roberts is that he is not worth what it will cost in talent to pry him loose from Baltimore, who values him very highly. Especially for a guy who is going to cost as much as he will at his age. His best days are likely behind him. I think he’s still got some good days in him. But the upgrade over Barmes is not worth the price in talent, dollars, and long term commitment.
Look at me defending Clint Barmes.
As you said yourself the other day, in the Barmes vs. EY2 discussion, this franchise values the defense up the middle pretty highly, especially with the ground ballers on the starting staff. Barmes D was worth nearly 16 runs more than Roberts this year, and to be honest Roberts range has not been improving the last few years.

by Hizilla on Oct 26, 2009 7:25 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

no, these are all good points.

It’s just kind of a pipe dream from 2-3 years ago that I won’t let go of.

In his defense, he did just hit 56 doubles. Can you imagine that kind of SLG, plus a decent OBP?

stupid not being able to acquire brian roberts…

ok let’s get felipe lopez.

Hope got in my eyes

by Andrew Martin on Oct 26, 2009 7:32 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

only 1 triple though

odd

Hope got in my eyes

by Andrew Martin on Oct 26, 2009 7:35 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

It's not that

I don’t like Brian Roberts, I do. Those doubles are great. He is great at the plate. He is just not a Colorado style 2B, especially with is rising costs and declining D.

I don’t see them going after Felipe Lopez either. Not with Barmes and EY2 on the roster anyway. The team seems pretty committed to Barmes, at least that’s the impression I’ve been getting from Renck and Ringolsby. Hoping for the team to go after a new 2B seems like kind of a pipe dream as well. I think we need to all accept that Barmes will be the man going into spring training and move on. But that’s just me.

by Hizilla on Oct 26, 2009 7:41 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

it's fun to talk about the realistic possibilities

Hope got in my eyes

by Andrew Martin on Oct 26, 2009 7:43 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

If you want a realistic possibility think Kelly Johnson. Looking like ATL will likely non-tender him and go with Prado. I like him as a buy low. Could create a real competition.

by Hizilla on Oct 26, 2009 7:46 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

whose roster spot would you give him?

He’d be our new Jeff Baker, minus the gargantuan power potential.

I had an OOTP sim where Jeff Baker hit 80 dingers in AAA.

Hope got in my eyes

by Andrew Martin on Oct 26, 2009 7:49 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

I wouldn’t give him a spot over EY, unless EY went back to AAA to work on his D. I was just trying to throw a realistic option for another 2B out there for you.
I’m actually genuinely curious to see who/what DOD has in mind this offseason. I don’t see him standing pat.

by Hizilla on Oct 26, 2009 7:51 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Apparently we're looking for

Starting Pitching and a RHB.

After Johnson’s big ‘07 and ’08, I’d be surprised if we could just swoop in and sign him without fighting for him, you know?

Hope got in my eyes

by Andrew Martin on Oct 26, 2009 7:58 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

RHB off the bench I think was the quote. Matt Murton?
Starting Pitching. Jeff Francis? Esmil Rogers? Samuel Deduno? Greg Smith? Greg Reynolds?

I think Johnson will have some competition out there – ODog, Lopez etc…I would bet he goes to the place he has the best shot at starting. St. Louis maybe? They wanted him last year. If he gets released.

by Hizilla on Oct 26, 2009 8:01 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

St. Louis already had Mark DeRosa, they don't need another one

ODawg had such a cold finish, I don’t think I’d want to give him another look.

Hope got in my eyes

by Andrew Martin on Oct 26, 2009 8:04 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

I’m just saying there’s going to be competition in the 2B market this winter for a guy like him. Other guys that’ll probably be looking at 1 year deals.
Also, DeRosa played primarily 3B for STL, and is also a free agent.
I’m not sure what we are arguing about?

by Hizilla on Oct 26, 2009 8:09 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Here's another guy to look at: Placido Polanco

His defense, batting average and WAR are all pretty good and he’s a free agent that might not be too expensive. I don’t think he’s the answer but I’m just throwing him out there.

Here’s his stats.

http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=1176&position=2B

I'm still hoping to wake up from that nightmare I had about the 9th inning of Game 4.

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 26, 2009 8:40 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Unless the Tigers don;t offer arb to him

We’d have to surrender a first round raft pick to the Tigers for him.

Impossible not to have positive thoughts.

I want Sam Deduno to pitch already.

by bballrox4717 on Oct 26, 2009 11:05 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Getting Roberts 2-3 years ago would have been awesome

Of course, Roberts in 2006 would have cost us something like Tulo + U-Ball in talent.

Lopez may be worth a looksee.

Watching the purple row from high atop the big brown monolith on California Ave

by Mondogarage on Oct 27, 2009 7:52 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

I completely agree on Utley. He is the best second baseman in the game by a lot.

As far as Zobrist goes, I think it’s fair to question what he will do in the future since he never did anything before this season; but those numers he put up this year are so insane that even a big dropoff next year would leave him in good company. (Even if his OPS drops .125 points next year he will still be at .823 which would have been good for third best among all second basemen this year.)

He may have only done it one year but let me ask you this, all contracts being equal is there any other second baseman you would rather have for the next three or four years. (Other than the other four listed above)

I'm still hoping to wake up from that nightmare I had about the 9th inning of Game 4.

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 26, 2009 2:52 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

didnt mark mcqwire screw up Hollidays swing last offseason?

and his offense started to turn around when he went back to his old swing?

by purplesocks on Oct 26, 2009 9:49 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs

Instead of discussing Manny Acta becoming the new Indians manager

I want to discuss how the two star pitchers that organization found are now starting against each other in the World Series. I would be furious if I were an Indians fan and had to watch not one, but two pitchers that came up through my organiztion pitch in Game 1 of the World Series for another team. Especially since one of those teams is the Yankees.

I wonder what Indian fans did to deserve this?

I'm still hoping to wake up from that nightmare I had about the 9th inning of Game 4.

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 26, 2009 10:07 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs

I wonder what Indian fans did to deserve this?

Live in Cleveland

"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein

by Andrew T. Fisher on Oct 26, 2009 10:14 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

The Drew Carey Show

"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker

by Resolution on Oct 26, 2009 10:17 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

How dare you.

by Muzia on Oct 26, 2009 10:33 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

second

Hope got in my eyes

by Andrew Martin on Oct 26, 2009 10:43 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

FIGHT ME BOTH OF YOU

"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker

by Resolution on Oct 27, 2009 9:41 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

um

Hope got in my eyes

by Andrew Martin on Oct 27, 2009 9:46 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

that is the funniest thing I've seen in a long time.

by Teekalong on Oct 27, 2009 10:26 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

This is what you get

When you play Dook. Turns everyone into a bunch of school yard girly-girls.

Sadly, I have endure it 2-3 times a year. (Go Heels.)

That's the true harbinger of spring, not crocuses or swallows returning to Capistrano, but the sound of a bat on a ball. ~Bill Veeck

by rockhead on Oct 27, 2009 9:03 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

They stopped buying tickets

Seriously, though, it’s pretty hard to argue with not having CC.

I’d be more upset that they seemed to receive so little in return for Lee.

Leave Dexter alone! You're lucky he even performs for you!

by FooMan on Oct 26, 2009 10:20 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

esp compared to the O's return for Bedard

and subsequent return for Sherrill

Hope got in my eyes

by Andrew Martin on Oct 26, 2009 10:23 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Indians fan since I can remember

It sucks. The poor town is cursed.

by Muzia on Oct 26, 2009 10:35 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Aw man

I wanted to bring this up. I doubt there’s ever been a World Series matchup of the last 2 AL Cy Young winners that were both on the same team when they won them, but are no longer on that team.

I imagine that this will be discussed ad nauseum on ESPN et al, but that was the first thing I thought when the Yankees clinched.

by controlled_slide on Oct 26, 2009 10:40 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

McGwire's hitting 101:

1. Inject in both armpits on a daily basis,
2. Shave shoulders and try to contain your rage
3. Hit bombs that were previously considered impossible with your new superhuman strength
4. Lie to Congress when you’re interrogated

With great mustache comes great responsibility

by Rox R Champs on Oct 26, 2009 10:24 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs

I don't want to talk about the bats

I mean past

"It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart." - A. Bartlett Giamatti

by Rawktober on Oct 26, 2009 11:43 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Forgot a couple

5. ??
6. PROFIT!

Watching the purple row from high atop the big brown monolith on California Ave

by Mondogarage on Oct 26, 2009 2:49 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Which is worse?

Steroid use, or appearance on Mad About You? (and I even feel bad knowing that he was on Mad About You)

by Teekalong on Oct 27, 2009 10:28 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

I pick the latter

but I’m also being morally ambiguous

woooOOOooo

he was also in the simpsons, so that should counteract the Mad About You

but then again, it was during the time when the Simpsons was just REALLY bad

Dingers!

Hope got in my eyes

by Andrew Martin on Oct 27, 2009 10:39 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

It was during that time

that the Simpsons writers realized they could hide the fact that they ran out of material seasons ago by having flashy guest appearances.

"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker

by Resolution on Oct 27, 2009 11:02 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Alan Embree is going to have a lower ERA than Ublado!?!?!?!?!?!?

I think Bill James needs to do some recalculating

I'm still hoping to wake up from that nightmare I had about the 9th inning of Game 4.

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 26, 2009 10:31 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs

I really want Betancourt back.

by Muzia on Oct 26, 2009 10:48 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

I agree

Betancourt is nails. I wouldn’t pay too much for him but I want him back

I'm still hoping to wake up from that nightmare I had about the 9th inning of Game 4.

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 26, 2009 10:53 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

We just have to pick up his option

$5.4m next year

by Muzia on Oct 26, 2009 10:58 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

5.4 mil is a lot to pay for a set up man

I want him back but I’m not sure I want him back that badly

I'm still hoping to wake up from that nightmare I had about the 9th inning of Game 4.

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 26, 2009 11:02 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

We could always decline

and hope he negotiates a more team friendly contract.

Or promptly signs with the Yankees.

by Muzia on Oct 26, 2009 11:05 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

I think that's what the Rockies will do

(Not the Yankee part)

I'm still hoping to wake up from that nightmare I had about the 9th inning of Game 4.

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 26, 2009 11:13 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Especially the Yankee part.

by Muzia on Oct 26, 2009 11:18 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Let me rephrase that

Betancourt is nails except for that one incident in San Fransisco. I was a little down on him after that

I'm still hoping to wake up from that nightmare I had about the 9th inning of Game 4.

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 26, 2009 10:58 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

everybody has bad outings

Hope got in my eyes

by Andrew Martin on Oct 26, 2009 11:03 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

I agree

You have to judge each player’s body of work as a whole. I just remember being really pissed off after that loss

I'm still hoping to wake up from that nightmare I had about the 9th inning of Game 4.

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 26, 2009 11:15 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

i think it spurred me to write the article about our relievers coming in with runners on

Hope got in my eyes

by Andrew Martin on Oct 26, 2009 11:22 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

We did it to them first.

by Muzia on Oct 26, 2009 11:22 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

And ours was better because we did it in the 14th inning

I'm still hoping to wake up from that nightmare I had about the 9th inning of Game 4.

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 26, 2009 11:40 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

I turned the tv off before ours :(

by Muzia on Oct 26, 2009 11:42 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

I was at ours (all 14 innings)

JFK

by jrockies on Oct 26, 2009 12:29 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

its funny

We had another pitcher who have up a big multiple run home run late in the season to a veteran who had seemingly lost his moderate power long ago too

"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein

by Andrew T. Fisher on Oct 26, 2009 11:44 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs

alright, I'm spacing

Winners never quit, and quitters never win. But if you never quit *and* never win, you are an idiot

by squalene203 on Oct 26, 2009 11:45 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Think Cardinals Clinching Division

JFK

by jrockies on Oct 26, 2009 12:29 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

jason larue?

Hope got in my eyes

by Andrew Martin on Oct 26, 2009 12:57 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

I was there so

that is the one I thought of. Kendall did as well now that PF points it out.

JFK

by jrockies on Oct 26, 2009 2:28 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Hizilla and I were as well

Hope got in my eyes

by Andrew Martin on Oct 26, 2009 4:38 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'm still mad about that home run.

by Hizilla on Oct 26, 2009 5:27 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

how funny

I was thinking of Jason Kendall

"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein

by Andrew T. Fisher on Oct 26, 2009 1:07 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs

Josh Fogg?

Hope got in my eyes

by Andrew Martin on Oct 26, 2009 11:45 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Division by zero

Error

"It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart." - A. Bartlett Giamatti

by Rawktober on Oct 26, 2009 11:44 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

well, steve phillips was fired from espn. Now who are the BBTN guys gonna kick around?

Winners never quit, and quitters never win. But if you never quit *and* never win, you are an idiot

by squalene203 on Oct 26, 2009 11:32 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs

Kruk

I'm still hoping to wake up from that nightmare I had about the 9th inning of Game 4.

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 26, 2009 11:39 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

The sex scandal seems to go farther than Phillips.

No one is safe, not even Kruk…

/gags

by Muzia on Oct 26, 2009 11:43 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

yeah things you don't need to put into my head

/banned for kruk grossness

Hope got in my eyes

by Andrew Martin on Oct 26, 2009 11:45 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Hey! I didn't even mention a catcher!

by Muzia on Oct 26, 2009 11:46 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

/doublebanned

Hope got in my eyes

by Andrew Martin on Oct 26, 2009 11:50 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

- (-) = +

Right?

by Muzia on Oct 26, 2009 11:51 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

You want another one?

Just say the word, say it.

Hope got in my eyes

by Andrew Martin on Oct 26, 2009 11:59 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

...

I, um, hmm….

Are you serious? I can’t tell.

I appeal to your good nature and kind sensibilities.

by Muzia on Oct 26, 2009 12:08 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

That's another one right now!

I’ve got you for the rest of your natural born life if you don’t watch your step. You want another one?

Hope got in my eyes

by Andrew Martin on Oct 26, 2009 12:19 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'll stop talking now.

by Muzia on Oct 26, 2009 12:35 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

(somebody help muzia02 out here)

Hope got in my eyes

by Andrew Martin on Oct 26, 2009 12:58 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Google says Breakfast Club

I say I have never seen the movie.

Yeah, I know, my bad.

by Muzia on Oct 26, 2009 1:17 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

oh right. They made fun of this in Not Another Teen Movie

Winners never quit, and quitters never win. But if you never quit *and* never win, you are an idiot

by squalene203 on Oct 26, 2009 1:32 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Don't you

forget about me.

Watching the purple row from high atop the big brown monolith on California Ave

by Mondogarage on Oct 26, 2009 2:51 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

2 "incidents" for Phillips that we know of

And I’m oh so tempted to suggest that in a 3rd, the Kazmir trade, he also got screwed.

But that would be tacky.

by 6161Maris on Oct 26, 2009 11:50 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs

Annnnnnnd we have a winnar!

Come claim your prize!!

Winners never quit, and quitters never win. But if you never quit *and* never win, you are an idiot

by squalene203 on Oct 26, 2009 11:51 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

yukyukyukyuk

(seriously, scioscia completely screwed the angels last night by putting in Kazmir and not Weaver)

Hope got in my eyes

by Andrew Martin on Oct 26, 2009 12:00 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

What is the fascination with using starters as relievers in the postseason anyway?

Unless they have really good miss-the-bat stuff, I just don’t get it.

"It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart." - A. Bartlett Giamatti

by Rawktober on Oct 26, 2009 12:08 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

neither do I

but the choice was Kaz vs Weaver, I take Weaver

Hope got in my eyes

by Andrew Martin on Oct 26, 2009 12:19 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

All of LAA’s Starters >>>>>Brian Fuentes

by Hizilla on Oct 26, 2009 1:06 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

because

managers think that starters are better pitchers? I don’t think that’s necessarily true but maybe some managers do. I also wonder if there are incentives involved in having the starting pitchers throw some innings during the playoffs. Partly a reward for getting into the playoffs

Dear Rockies - 2009 NL Wild Card Champs. Best turnaround in MLB history for a team to win the Wild Card. Thank you for a wonderful rollercoaster of a season. Can't wait to do it again next year!!

Troy Tulowitzki - THE best SS in the game..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba - En Fuego!! (when hitting 6th or 7th)
Brad Hawpe- Big Bad Brad, I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utley's in a single bound!

by SDcat09 on Oct 27, 2009 7:29 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs