The Batting Lineups the Rockies SHOULD Be Using
by Jeff Aberle on Oct 5, 2009 5:08 PM MDT
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PrintPeople have wildly differing viewpoints on batting lineups, especially when going into the postseason. Should the manager stick with who got him there? Go with the hot hand? Play the platoon splits? Maximize offense while eschewing defense or vice versa? Veteraniness/playoff experience/clutchness/chemistry?
Here are the best lineups for the Rockies in the upcoming series, based on a few different metrics that will satisfy several schools of line-up construction thought:
Wins Above Replacement (WAR): Due to the fact that WAR is a counting value stat, players with more PAs have a greater chance of ending up here. Batting order placement is partially determined by their Batting Runs Above Average. For comparison's sake I've ranked the both the Rockies' and Phillies' lineups. All data from FanGraphs.
Gonzalez CF (2.3 WAR, 9.4 BRAA, .378 wOBA)
Smith LF (2.7, 13.1, .383)
Helton 1B (3.3, 26.7, .392)
Tulowitzki SS (5.4, 26.6, .393)
Hawpe RF (1.4, 20.6, .384)
Iannetta C (2.0, 1.0, .346)
Stewart 3B (1.2, -2.1, .337)
Barmes 2B (1.7, -15.3, .312)
Victorino CF (3.2 WAR, 12.6 BRAA, .354)
Werth RF (4.5, 27.8, .382)
Utley 2B (7.6, 39.6, .402)
Howard 1B (5.0, 35.7, .393)
Ibanez LF (4.1, 21.9, .379)
Ruiz C (2.2, 1.5, .337)
Rollins SS (2.6, -9.9, .316)
Feliz 3B (1.3, -15.4, .302)
Join me after the jump to figure out what this means, look at which Rockies have the best LHP splits, and which Rockies come into the postseason on a hot streak...
Takeaways:
1. The Phillies have a healthy lead in hitting WAR (30.5 to 20) and BRAA (113.8 to 80). That lineup is a tough one.
2. However, beyond Chase Utley, the Rockies match up well with the Phillies in the batter's box.
Looking at this from a batting order standpoint, Gonzalez equals or trumps Victorino (especially considering Carlos' 377 fewer PAs). Werth beats Smith (again, if Smith had more playing time he'd probably have a higher WAR/BRAA and likely a lower wOBA), though not by as much as many would think. Utley is much better than Helton in the three hole, while Tulo matches up pretty evenly with Howard as does Hawpe with Ibanez (they're almost identical hitting-wise, actually). Iannetta and Ruiz are a push, Stewart beats Rollins, and Barmes is equal to if not better than Feliz.
3. The Rockies lineup probably won't happen, especially against left-handed pitchers (which we just happen to be facing) given the fact that the most talented (and best performing) players haven't always played this year. Case in point, Ryan Spilborghs has more PAs than Seth Smith.
Tracy won't play Smith vs. lefties and often will take out either CarGo or Hawpe. He will often play Garrett Atkins for Stewart and Yorvit Torrealba for Iannetta. Some of these decisions will pay off occasionally, but often they do not. Playing inferior players leads to inferior results.
4. The Phillies lineup won't appear like that either (though they will use basically the same players), as Manuel will probably stick Rollins near the top of the order, but it could happen.
The Phillies will likely keep the same-ish lineup throughout the series regardless of pitcher handedness.
The Best Rockies Line-up Against Left-handed Pitching
For this, I used the vs. LHP splits found on Baseball Reference for Rockies that had more than 60 PAs (15 games' worth of action) against lefties. Again, these are performance-based results from this year. Here's the best batting lineup using that data:
Gonzalez RF (.276 BA / .343 OBP / .466 SLG)
Fowler CF (.321 / .377 / .482)
Iannetta C (.296 / .406 / .580)
Tulowitzki SS (.269 / .382 / .519)
Smith LF (.259 / .368 / .500)
Helton 1B (.311 / .369 / .372)
Atkins 3B (.268 / .363 / .428)
Barmes 2B (.245 / .314 / .496)
Takeaways:
1. Chris Iannetta, if nothing else, should be playing against southpaws. He's been the best hitter on the team against lefties (154 OPS+!!!) this year.
2. Smith, Fowler, and Gonzalez provide the Rockies' best LHP-hitting and defensive outfield (UZR be damned). How many times has this trio started a game (any game, not just against a lefty)? Zero.
3. Atkins playing in this series wouldn't be the worst thing ever, but Ian Stewart's defense still probably makes him more valuable.
4. Helton has the least power in that line-up against lefties. He's basically a slow singles/OBP hitter at this point.
5. The team OPS against lefties this year is .765--not too shabby. All of the projected line-up except for Helton betters that number.
What is the "Hottest Rockies Lineup?
Those Rockies, they're so hot right now! Here is the best line-up from September on (by wOBA, which does an excellent job of combining OBP and SLG) of Rockies that had at least 40 PAs (ten games' worth of action) during the stretch run:
Gonzalez CF (.374 wOBA)
Smith LF (.367)
Helton 1B (.382)
Tulowitzki SS (.454)
Hawpe RF (.374)
Stewart 3B (.345)
Torrealba C (.331)
Young Jr. 2B (.293)
Takeaways:
1. Tulowitzki has been HOT down the stretch. As if you didn't already know that.
2. Don't let that .208 September batting average fool you. Hawpe has regained his stroke further down in the order with a nice power streak at the end of the year.
3. Any way you slice it, the Rockies have an offensive sinkhole at second base, with Barmes' .283 wOBA not making the cut.
4. Neither Dexter Fowler (.272) nor Ryan Spilborghs (.224) have performed well enough down the stretch to start. That is, if you use the "hotness" metric for setting your starting lineup.
5. Jason Giambi (.445 wOBA in 31 PAs) is a true ace in the hole off the bench.
6. Torrealba might be dialed in right now (.310 average, 14 RBIs September on), but it's mostly a mirage.
Of his 27 hits, only 7 have gone for extra bases. His K/BB ratio (19-7) is greater than Stewart's (32-13) and his BABIP is unsustainable (.397). Torrealba will start because of his "hotness" and his "clutchiness" and his "veteraniness", but Torrealba is the wrong choice for this series in particular.
Why? Well for one thing this year he has a line of .220 / .288 / .322 against lefties. Another is that he has thrown out only 8 of 49 runners (14%), which will be bad against a Philadelphia team that has swiped 119 bags this year.
Meanwhile, Chris Iannetta didn't get enough PAs to qualify (he had 27, and that's with two starts due to Torrealba's injury), but he did do quite a bit with them, putting up a .540 wOBA in September. He's been the superior player over the course of the season and he's the superior player right now.
Now my method of setting the line-up is a hybrid that uses the above metrics. This is who I want to start on Wednesday for Colorado against the Phillies:
Gonzalez RF
Fowler CF
Helton 1B
Tulowitzki SS
Smith LF
Iannetta C
Atkins 3B
Barmes 2B
What, start Garrett Atkins? I've been taking crazy pills and I believe after looking at the numbers that this is one of the few matchups where Atkins would be a better play over Stewart. I'm also weighting Fowler's season-long brilliance against lefties higher than Brad Hawpe's recent hot performance.
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5. Jason Giambi (.445 wOBA in 31 PAs) is a true ace in the hole off the bench.
That’s an understatement. The look of fear in the eyes of the opposing pitcher whenever Giambi steps to the plate is good enough for me to have him on the postseason roster.
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I am dying to see the Gonzo/Fowler/Smith outfield
Too bad it will never happen
Happiness is October baseball
Why would we put Gonzo in RF/Smith in LF and not vice versa?
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Arm strength
In Philly right field has a little bit more ground to cover than left thus a defensive upgrade. At Coors I would switch it and put Smith in right as there is more ground to cover in left/left center at Coors.
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JFK
Thanks, I didn't realize that
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I don't know, base on the info I suppose that line-up is alright....
I’m still not sold on Atkins starting over Stewart and man we just suck against lefties its really hard to fine the right way around this.
It's hard to without breaking up the team
Seems so many of our better parts are LH. This may result in the end of our year.
However, we can’t focus on rebuilding the club to face lefties, as there really aren’t that many teams who have the # of generally talented lefties that Philly has. Have to build for the long haul, and not a single series.
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I feel like
I saw something today in my interwebz wanderings that said Iannetta would likely start Game 2 catching Cook. Not sure where.
by Hizilla on Oct 5, 2009 5:57 PM MDT via mobile reply actions
I think someone suggested or predicted it in the Rockpile maybe.
Don’t know if it was anywhere else.
Very well could have been. Hope it happens.
by Hizilla on Oct 5, 2009 6:33 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
I am all over the place with if's and buts, but....
Gonzo over spilly
Ianetta and torre split starts vs. lefties
Barmes and Hawpe play no matter what
Atkins over stewey for 5-6 innings vs. lefties
Dance with the one who braught ya’
Torre’s D is suspect vs.a fast team.
Atkins bat vs. Stewey’s vs Lefties over rides Stewey’s great D (for the first part of the game)
Lets tear it up and play solid ball please, prove ourselves all over again
Word Jeff! ITA!
Dear Rockies - Thank you for proving John Kruk is a pertinacious nincompoop.
Troy Tulowitzki - THE best SS in the game..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba - En Fuego
Brad Hawpe- Big Bad Brad is Back BABY!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, stalking the NL Pennant
this whole article feels like
someone has a major axe to grind. Very little of this has anything to do with how a baseball line up is actually constructed.
Really Jab, you need lighten up, get out, and watch a baseball game. They are fun, and not done in a computer.
No you weren't. You were being confrontational and insulting. Again.
Please stop.
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it's over man
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 5, 2009 9:49 PM MDT up reply actions
yes...it's because I just read an article
that was written as if the last 100 years of baseball, is all wrong, and Tracy is all wrong, and only YOUR pure numbers is the way to make a line up the correct way. But you ignore some numbers you picked and chose numbers to make your points, and when it was convenient you then just went to your subjective opinion.
And I still say, this article if a big pile of crap, written to grind your axe, one that I think is totally wrong. I also don’t think it belongs on Purple Row.
How ever, if you had constructed it differently, it could have been an interesting article, that might have had a few salient points to make.
Here we go again folks
Batters who walk to first usually come running home.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 5, 2009 10:09 PM MDT up reply actions
Can I ask
that you propose your optimal lineup for the upcoming series? Thanks
"We made too many wrong mistakes." ~Yogi Berra
"The ballplayer who loses his head, who can't keep his cool, is worse than no ballplayer at all." ~Lou Gehrig
JFK
Jrockies from Golden, CO writes:
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 5, 2009 10:16 PM MDT up reply actions
sure
against Left Hitters:
1) CarGo
2) Fowler
3) Helton
4) Tulo
5) Hawpe
6) Atkins
7) Iannetta
8) Barmes
9) Pitcher
RHP:
1) Cargo
2) Smith
3) Helton
4) Tulo
5) Hawpe
6) Torrealba
7) Stewart
8) Barmes
9) Pitcher
The big issue with this is the 3 lefties in a row to start the game, but if the other team were to go to a lefty reliever, this is where they would go to that guy…and these are the 3 better lefty vs lefty guys, at least contact wise. Also, if I had to I could PH for Smith, and have back up OF (spilly or Fowler) to go in the field.
Key part is “up coming series” as if this were the regular season, against RHP I’d put in EY2 in the 9th hole, and the pitcher in the 8th, just to see how it work.
I'll do you one better
1. 2B Bugs Bunny
2. LF Bugs Bunny
3. SS Bugs Bunny
4. CF Bugs Bunny
5. 3B Bugs Bunny
6. 1B Bugs Bunny
7. RF Bugs Bunny
8. C Bugs Bunny
9. P Bugs Bunny
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 5, 2009 10:25 PM MDT up reply actions
I would bat P Bugs Bunny in the 8 hole just to keep them on their toes...
and so that the C Bugs Bunny could jump start the top of the lineup and set the table for 2B Bugs Bunny.
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But what are Bugs Bunny's thoughts
on Snickers?
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He enjoys them like everyone..
Dear Rockies - Thank you for proving John Kruk is a pertinacious nincompoop.
Troy Tulowitzki - THE best SS in the game..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba - En Fuego
Brad Hawpe- Big Bad Brad is Back BABY!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, stalking the NL Pennant
Just imagine if they weren't
Batters who walk to first usually come running home.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 5, 2009 10:35 PM MDT up reply actions
I am not sure if it is really your intent, but
you are being really insulting to Jaberwocky. You are insulting his work, his article and him personally. I am really turned off by your attitude and I feel sorry for Jaberwocky that he is being attacked in this way. If anything does not “belong on Purple Row” it is comments that call out and attack someone.
I am sorry if you (Redhawk) think that I am out of line, but I did not want to just stand by and be a witness to this kind of angry vitriol.
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by Rock Oax on Oct 5, 2009 10:18 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
you like the word vitriol
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 5, 2009 10:19 PM MDT up reply actions
It's 7 letters, and worth a ton in Scrabble...
…if placed correctly.
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It's a good word
"It is a mistake to look too far ahead. Only one link of the chain of destiny can be handled at a time." ~W. Churchill
Yes, that is a very good word
"It is a mistake to look too far ahead. Only one link of the chain of destiny can be handled at a time." ~W. Churchill
You're welcome
And I am not trying to be partisan… If anything I would probably be closer to the other side of the debate. I just think we all need to make an effort to be civil. We all love the Rockies… Can’t we all just get along!
"It is a mistake to look too far ahead. Only one link of the chain of destiny can be handled at a time." ~W. Churchill
not when we have two drastically different catchers we can't
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 5, 2009 10:30 PM MDT up reply actions
Can we at least all agree that they are both
CLUTCH!
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OH>>>THE HUGE MANATEE!!!!
Dear Rockies - Thank you for proving John Kruk is a pertinacious nincompoop.
Troy Tulowitzki - THE best SS in the game..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba - En Fuego
Brad Hawpe- Big Bad Brad is Back BABY!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, stalking the NL Pennant
I'm still not sure how the article reads the way that you perceive it to be.
I state pretty clearly the numbers that I’m using and that it is a theoretical exercise (e.g. this will never happen). I never say that only pure numbers should be used to determine a lineup (though I do infer that it would be helpful to look at them). Ignoring them completely is, to put it in your terms, stupid in this day and age.
I’m sorry that you find it to be a “big pile of crap, written to grind (my) axe”. I respectfully disagree. I understand your opinion (though I I’m not sure that you understand mine) and would appreciate it if you did not express it in this fashion again. Quite frankly, it’s inappropriate and rude.
I’m an easy-going guy Redhawk (not a robot with an axe to grind, that’s for damn sure), but you are severely trying my patience.
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I think you lost him with the Title
not the content. You strike a fine nuanced balance with the content, but the title is a little over the top
"It is a mistake to look too far ahead. Only one link of the chain of destiny can be handled at a time." ~W. Churchill
Yeah, I was going for the READ and LEARN tongue in cheek vibe.
Apparently I failed.
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Ok...here's where you went wrong in my opinion
you should have stuck with pure numbers (based on a good number of performance, not just a few weeks, unless there is a current trend), then tired to explain what those numbers might be saying.
But you didn’t. You took your final analysis, and just said, this is the way it should be. The final part was just a “throw-in”, and as it didn’t fit with the rest of the article made if feel like you really don’t believe it (by it, either the upper part, which was well, not well thought out…or the bottom part)
The few weeks part was in response to people valuing the "hot" player...
which by my definition was the last month of the season. I thought that I explained my interpretation of the numbers after each section, but apparently I’m wrong there too.
Please tell me where I say this is the way that it should be, period. Please. You take that interpretation from my post but I don’t see it anywhere.
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But
to define “hot” you used one stat, that you selected, that skews to power hitters, to provide the conclusion I thought you were pre-determine to get to.
wOBA does not skew toward power hitters, it skews toward better hitters.
Most of the time a high power hitter is more valuable than a high contact, lower power hitter.
I’m not sure that you understand wOBA Redhawk, and that might be the root of our problem.
PF explains it very well here.
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This is clearly uncalled for Redhawk
The article was fine, and brought forth some great points. Just because you don’t understand advance statistics doesn’t mean your right and they are wrong.
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hey, an avatar!
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 5, 2009 10:35 PM MDT up reply actions
Huh
I’m confused.
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 5, 2009 10:39 PM MDT up reply actions
I understand advance stats just fine
and any time you come up with a .220ish hitter for your #3 spot, then there is something wrong., and a .330 hitter should be in the #7 spot, then either your numbers are wrong, or your supposition is wrong, or there is a lack of baseball knowledge.
To sell it to me like it’s gospel, and infer some how I’m the one that is too old fashion to “get it” blows my mind.
There are lies, damn lies, and statistics.
but vs LHP, he's a .295 hitter, not a .220 hitter
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 5, 2009 10:45 PM MDT up reply actions
yeah, I think I mentioned this somewhere else in this quagmire
where would you bat him with a .295 average and a lot of walks and a lot of power?
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 5, 2009 10:50 PM MDT up reply actions
I'd bat him 7th
but if he really is that good, then he’s like a 2nd clean up hitter, and “protects” the 6th hitter. If he keeps it up, then I move him up.
where would you bat 2008 Iannetta?
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 5, 2009 10:54 PM MDT up reply actions
6th or 7th depend on who's around him
not quite enough power to go higher. Not enough average to go higher. Certainly not enough speed to go to the top of the order.
NOW…I also like the idea of a hitter like 08 Iannetta batting 8th, to act like a clean up hitter before the pitcher comes up. But Iannetta can take a walk, but he also k’s on stuff out of the zone too much, which is all he got there, staying out of his happy zone.
Barmes is good down there cause he’s up there to swing, and can sorta hit stuff out of the zone, and puts balls in play.
How do you define "enough power"
because I feel as if he has more than enough power to bat 5th, even 4th, depending on your lineup construction.
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 5, 2009 11:00 PM MDT up reply actions
for you....
there is probably so many HR’s per plate appearance. I don’t know what that is, but he only hit 12 of them last year..not a #4 hitter to me.
I guess I view power as dingers and doubles
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 5, 2009 11:05 PM MDT up reply actions
I see doubles as what makes a hitter
and he had a lot of them. But for #4 guy…I trade them for HR’s, or if I don’t get the HR’s I want a little higher average. Neither live in a vacuum, but rather on a complex sliding scale.
I'd be interested to see how a team
performs if their 3 most prominent hitters were Iannetta style batters
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 5, 2009 11:12 PM MDT up reply actions
hahaha
obviously 08
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 5, 2009 11:17 PM MDT up reply actions
The Giant were CDI 09 minus the power.
They did have the panda but Molina in the cleanup spot is embarrassing
Batters who walk to first usually come running home.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 5, 2009 11:20 PM MDT up reply actions
sort of
I’d argue they were worse. Iannetta still walked a ton and hit for power when he hit; he just didn’t hit much
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 5, 2009 11:45 PM MDT up reply actions
stop saying this
We know baseball isn’t in a computer. It’s downright insulting to think that we don’t appreciate the game on the field.
The thought is that numbers can have some part in constructing a lineup.
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 5, 2009 7:31 PM MDT up reply actions
Can have some part
sure, everyone knows that.
But this? Isn’t that. It’s numbers are the only thing, piece of crap. Really this is out of bounds, and out of line. Anyone that puts Iannetta in the 3 hole is smoking dope, or has an axe to grind, or knows nothing about baseball. Or all 3.
And don’t tell me what I can say. I don’t think for you, it’s true, but for Jab, I think he has no clue that baseball is played on a grass field, by humans. And I mean that seriously. This column is out of line, and wrong, and it’s presented from a position of authority so, those that don’t know baseball, will actually buy this crap as the truth.
Let's not start this again
At least not until after the season
Batters who walk to first usually come running home.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 5, 2009 7:41 PM MDT up reply actions
I didn't start it!
but I’ll be damned, to let this crap article be passed off as something that has any basis in anything. It’s totally an axe grinding affair and total bunch of crap….and some one needs to call it out, or….this kinda crap will become accepted on the purple row. It’s been a better blog then this.
I agree this won't happen (Iannetta in 3 hole, Helton 7th), and it probably *shouldn't
since it would really rock the boat
But Iannetta slugs over 200 points higher than Helton against lefties. Isn’t that what you want out of your third man? This is conjecture, of course, and it won’t happen, but I like the creativity of the idea. Such a vitriolic response really isn’t necessary or constructive
win
yes slugging is the only thing to consider
when making out a line up.
I don’t have time to write a rebuttal to this article and everything that is wrong with it.
But your #3 hitter should be your best contact hitter. He should move the 1st 2 hitters along, take pitches so they can steal. the #3 hitter should also get on a lot, so the #4 hitter can drive him in. It would be nice for Helton to have more power and not be so dang slow on the bases, but there is 8 spots out there, that also need to be filled, and compromises have to be made, as we don’t get to store order our human players (unless you are the Yankees)
Good thoughts...
And, Helton always, ALWAYS performs. Maybe, he’s not hitting the homeruns he used to, but does anyone every doubt his ability at the plate? No, I didn’t think so.
The back-end of the line-up is just as important as the front-end. If everyone wants to see CDI play so damn bad, let him prop the back-end up. Me, personally? I get just as sick watching him strikeout as I do watching Barmes and Stewart strikeout.
Helton and Tulo are still hands-down our best hitters. PLAIN AND SIMPLE
by Husker4Rockies on Oct 5, 2009 8:30 PM MDT up reply actions
Well the fact of it is
that if Iannetta put up those numbers against everyone all season – ie we face left handers in every game, he’d sure shootin be a 3 or 4 hitter, and likewise Helton being a 7 hitter.
But yeah, I can see bumping a guy up from like 7 to 5 based on a split as heavy as Iannetta’s, probably not 3rd though.
What do you do with a guy like Helton, who hits for good average v LHP but it’s pretty much singles and the occasional double? Do you leave him in the 3 just out of respect or whatever, or do you adjust accordingly? If Dex was a better SB threat, I’d totally bat him leadoff against LHP, Helton 2nd (because you want a high-average singles hitter behind a basestealer) and maybe Tulo 3rd, Iannetta 4th, Smith 5th?
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 5, 2009 8:03 PM MDT up reply actions
I'm not blaming anyone for starting it
I just think it’s a better topic for the offseason.
I agree that it would be nuts to bat Iannetta third and that you can’t explain everything with numbers but it’s interesting to look at.
Batters who walk to first usually come running home.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 5, 2009 8:51 PM MDT up reply actions
That was my point...it was interesting to look at.
Theoretically, based on purely on performance against LHP given the numbers accumulated this season that would be the lineup.
My lineup at the bottom is what I would actually do.
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Would you change your lineup in game 2 based on Stewart's defense and Cook pitching?
Batters who walk to first usually come running home.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 5, 2009 9:54 PM MDT up reply actions
Yes I would. With Jimenez GB defense doesn't matter nearly as much as it does with Cook.
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We're on the same page here
Batters who walk to first usually come running home.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 5, 2009 9:56 PM MDT up reply actions
I disagree on this
Jimenez has like a 52% GB rate, Cook 56%
Those are both extreme groundballers.
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 5, 2009 10:29 PM MDT up reply actions
ok, fine
That’s like saying it’s raining a whole bunch and raining only a bunch. Either way your shirt is soaked.
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 5, 2009 10:34 PM MDT up reply actions
Wow I didn't realize Jimenez's GB rate was that high.
Maybe I want Stewart to start both games afterall, espesially with that wind
Batters who walk to first usually come running home.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 5, 2009 10:40 PM MDT up reply actions
"My lineup at the bottom is what I would actually do."
This would seem to resolve the dispute.
I enjoy write-ups like this because it’s interesting to see in black and white what may not be apparent to our “sense” of things; so what one would “actually do” may be a melange of the stats and his/her “sense”.
Good article.
The point of this is not reality, Redhawk, but what the pure numbers show.
You fail to grasp my point.
Eschew Obfuscation!
I'm curious.
would you start players based on pure numbers?
Dear Rockies - Thank you for proving John Kruk is a pertinacious nincompoop.
Troy Tulowitzki - THE best SS in the game..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba - En Fuego
Brad Hawpe- Big Bad Brad is Back BABY!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, stalking the NL Pennant
"Pure Numbers show"
but 1) who is interpreting those “pure numbers”
2) Pure numbers……that are not in a vacuum. they’re other stuff, to making a line up, then numbers you pick and choose to make the point YOU want to make. There are far more complicated things to make a line up, then “pure numbers”
And I acknowledge that!
Does my final recommended lineup follow pure numbers?
No!
Eschew Obfuscation!
Nope, no axe to grind. Just presenting facts and recommendations drawn from the facts.
And I appreciate the game just fine. Once again I don’t appreciate the insinuation that I don’t.
Eschew Obfuscation!
I can live with Atkins starting game 1 but Stewart better be starting game 2
Cook gets so many ground balls that Stewart’s superior defense is well worth the left on left matchup
Batters who walk to first usually come running home.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 5, 2009 7:47 PM MDT reply actions
Yes, very true.
And Stewart always starts when Cookie starts.
Remember old folks, I'm just 17 years old =]
by CentralCaliRox on Oct 5, 2009 7:53 PM MDT up reply actions
I hope Tracy continues this pattern and I think he will
I would be angry and surprised if he gave Atkins three consecutive starts.
It might be tempting to give Stewart the start in game 1 with his power and a 20mph wind blowing out to right.
Batters who walk to first usually come running home.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 5, 2009 7:58 PM MDT up reply actions
I guess all those big hits and clutch RBIs
by Torrealba were just a “mirage”, eh…
no, they were real
But Yorvit Torrealba is not a .400 hitter, and to assume that he’s going to continue to hit at the pace he is now next season would be foolish.
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 5, 2009 8:47 PM MDT up reply actions
I thought this was about now..
not next season?
Dear Rockies - Thank you for proving John Kruk is a pertinacious nincompoop.
Troy Tulowitzki - THE best SS in the game..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba - En Fuego
Brad Hawpe- Big Bad Brad is Back BABY!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, stalking the NL Pennant
The argument keeps shifting.
I hope to hell Iannetta is our catcher next year, because it would mean this he’s on his way to reaching his much higher ceiling. But it’s 2009 right now, and all I care about is winning 3 out the next 5 games.
this all started like a month ago
I think it was RG who said something along the lines of “Well, he’s doing well now, but enjoy it while it lasts” and everyone got all a ruffle over that. So then the argument steered toward the concept of regression to the mean, that Iannetta is going to get better (he did) and Torrealba is gonna get worse (still riding the high, baby!). Then it turned into the difference between performance and skill, Iannetta isn’t a .220 hitter, and Torrealba isn’t a .360 hitter – which is why I said “next year” because I justifiably assume that Torrealba will perform at his career norms next season. And then it turned into “You stat kids hate baseball” and “you old farts can’t understand progress”
And now we’re doing it again! yayyy!
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 5, 2009 9:13 PM MDT up reply actions
SABRtooth Tigers vs Old SKOOL
Dear Rockies - Thank you for proving John Kruk is a pertinacious nincompoop.
Troy Tulowitzki - THE best SS in the game..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba - En Fuego
Brad Hawpe- Big Bad Brad is Back BABY!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, stalking the NL Pennant
I think the reason it keeps coming back....
…is because the argument seems to change. Whenever anyone counters the notion that Torrealba should sit now in favor of Iannetta, the response back is often a bunch of stats to demonstrate why Torrealba’s hot streak can’t last and how he’s just an average player.
But that’s just a straw man — most everyone here would say that’s the truth.
The notion that the most productive RISP hitter on the team (at this moment) should sit down just as the playoffs start is what we’re responding to. Now, if it’s the WS, and you want to argue that Ianaetta should be the DH instead of Spilly, fine. If Ianetta was a third basemen and you want to argue that he should start over Atkins or Stewart, fine.
But saying over and over that the most reliable pressure hitter on teh team should ride the pine because his future ceiling isn’t as high as the guy behind him is guaranteed to get countered every time it’s said.
the problem is that we have an extreme case right now
3 strong LHP, and Torrealba has not displayed dominance against LHP. Iannetta has.
2 on 2 out runner on 3B against Lidge, I might want to see Yorvit.
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 5, 2009 9:31 PM MDT up reply actions
I'm saying that Torrealba should sit against left handers.
The Phillies happen to have three left-handers. Ergo, Yorvit should sit against Philly.
Eschew Obfuscation!
DRAMA
This totally reminds me a tv fandom I was involved in and the constant drama over various spoilers and storylines. It got to the point where different factions created secret message boards, and there was rampant paranoia and attempted spying. Seriously.
I'm pretty good with all this, BUT...
I still do not understand why people think Ianetta is such a better defensive catcher than Torrealba. Maybe I’m watching the wrong games, but I never see CDI throw out anyone either. I guess I’m always a fan of the underdog, but I love the spirit, leadership and calm behind homeplate Torrey brings. He was a key component of the ’07 run.
CDI may be the future, but I still feel the present is Torrey.
well said! I am with you on this point Husker
Dear Rockies - Thank you for proving John Kruk is a pertinacious nincompoop.
Troy Tulowitzki - THE best SS in the game..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba - En Fuego
Brad Hawpe- Big Bad Brad is Back BABY!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, stalking the NL Pennant
I LOLed!
calm behind homeplate Torrey brings
"It is a mistake to look too far ahead. Only one link of the chain of destiny can be handled at a time." ~W. Churchill
I mean I Love Yorvit
But “calm” wouldn’t be one of the first 500 adjectives I’d use to describe him
"It is a mistake to look too far ahead. Only one link of the chain of destiny can be handled at a time." ~W. Churchill
exactly.
Dear Rockies - Thank you for proving John Kruk is a pertinacious nincompoop.
Troy Tulowitzki - THE best SS in the game..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba - En Fuego
Brad Hawpe- Big Bad Brad is Back BABY!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, stalking the NL Pennant
Yorvit's passion does not seem to be a "calm passion"
You are free to think that he is “calm”, I would use other terms. I love his enthusiasm and passion and am in no way saying that my impression of his lack of calmness is a bad thing.
"It is a mistake to look too far ahead. Only one link of the chain of destiny can be handled at a time." ~W. Churchill
I think there is a calm that his "veteran" storm brings..
if that makes any sense.
Dear Rockies - Thank you for proving John Kruk is a pertinacious nincompoop.
Troy Tulowitzki - THE best SS in the game..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba - En Fuego
Brad Hawpe- Big Bad Brad is Back BABY!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, stalking the NL Pennant
Indeed it does
Yorvit may make others feel calm.
"It is a mistake to look too far ahead. Only one link of the chain of destiny can be handled at a time." ~W. Churchill
I know I'm late with this comment....
I had to go to bed. But, that’s really more where I was going with that comment. I don’t mean Yorvit is necessarily calm himself. I just get a sense that the pitcher and infield are calmer with him back there. He has a great rapport with the team.
Anyways, discussion over. I’m not going to yell and scream if CDI starts. I will be cheering him on like all the other Rockies.
by Husker4Rockies on Oct 6, 2009 7:21 AM MDT up reply actions
caught stealing % for this year
Yorvit 14%, CDI, 26.5%
watch this space for a soon to be created clever remark....
Any stats on throwing errors?
because Iannetta also seems to throw into center field a bit more (Yorvit, I don’t think can throw it that far ;-p )
"It is a mistake to look too far ahead. Only one link of the chain of destiny can be handled at a time." ~W. Churchill
Thanks for the stat. I didn't know it. But...
How many of those runners go on to score? The point of the game is to score runs not get to 2nd base. I’m not arguing. I’m just making a point because those are both pretty small numbers. Does it really matter when it comes down to how many of those runners cross homeplate?
Now another take could be that if the runner on 1st gets to 2nd, it takes away the double play for which Cookie is some famous for inducing. Maybe, CDI should start with Cook?
I only put this stuff out there b/c I don’t have enough time in my day to keep track of all the stats. I wish I did.
by Husker4Rockies on Oct 6, 2009 7:28 AM MDT up reply actions
I don’t understand how Ianetta should be starting over Torrealba. Yorvit batted over .600 with RISP after the all-star break, and had a great series against the Phillies two years ago. The mirage comment doesn’t make sense to me.
It's not real
cause Iannetta has more home runs…and you know that’s the only thing that matters.
(this was sarcasm)
I agree..
The mirage comment is odd to me as well. A mirage is an optical illusion. How is the FACT that Yorvit hit over .600 with RISP not a fact and only a mirage…?
Dear Rockies - Thank you for proving John Kruk is a pertinacious nincompoop.
Troy Tulowitzki - THE best SS in the game..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba - En Fuego
Brad Hawpe- Big Bad Brad is Back BABY!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, stalking the NL Pennant
Don't try to figure it out...
it’s really not worth it.
Beyond all the numbers, there’s this:
Without Torrealba, this team is playing golf right now. Period.
Tracy would risk a mutiny if he sat the guy now because some numbers could be crunched to show that he should.
Iannetta has done well this month — well enough that he has earned a start during this series. IF that’s not enough for some folks, take it up with the guy in the manager’s office.
THIS! Thank you!
and agree with you Husker, again..
Dear Rockies - Thank you for proving John Kruk is a pertinacious nincompoop.
Troy Tulowitzki - THE best SS in the game..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba - En Fuego
Brad Hawpe- Big Bad Brad is Back BABY!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, stalking the NL Pennant
Yorvit looks like Stewart against LHP. That's the point.
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 5, 2009 9:02 PM MDT up reply actions
I am all about a compromise here
I say start Yorvit against the Lefty who is likely to get pulled earliest (Hamels?) and CDI in the other game. See how they do and determine game 3 accordingly. This is likely to go more than 3 games anyway so I would bet at some point we see a righty.
"It is a mistake to look too far ahead. Only one link of the chain of destiny can be handled at a time." ~W. Churchill
That works..
Dear Rockies - Thank you for proving John Kruk is a pertinacious nincompoop.
Troy Tulowitzki - THE best SS in the game..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba - En Fuego
Brad Hawpe- Big Bad Brad is Back BABY!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, stalking the NL Pennant
Depends on our strategy
If we go for the “take a zillion pitches and make them throw 100 through 4 innings” then I take Iannetta.
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 5, 2009 9:17 PM MDT up reply actions
If we go with that strategy I would say Yorvit
Because then a Righty is likely to come in. But, we need to be careful about who is the homeplate umpire before embarking on that strategy. We all by now know the BAD news on the umpiring front!
"It is a mistake to look too far ahead. Only one link of the chain of destiny can be handled at a time." ~W. Churchill
which is a good point
I mean, we shouldn’t strategize around Hernandez too much, but Iannetta could get rung up quite a bit.
I don’t know, I think I’d take his .290+ average (plus bunches of walks plus power) even with the bad-zone/strikeout risk to Torrealba struggling against LHP. It’s really that big of a chasm.
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 5, 2009 9:29 PM MDT up reply actions
Because you're missing the point
Mirage isn’t in reference to his performance, it’s to his ability.
I have another hitter, puts up the following line with RISP: .238/.292/.413
That’s Yorvit Torrealba in 2008.
And another: .201/.270/.254
That’s Yorvit Torrealba in 2007.
I love that he’s hitting like this – the good numbers and such, .477/.544/.591 – that line is AWESOME. I am STOKED that he is hitting like that this season, it gives you a sense of hope when we need a big hit.
But it is a mirage. If you look at his AVG compared to his SLG – .477 to .591 – there’s not much of an increase, suggesting that he’s hitting mostly singles, occasional doubles. And hits are hits, they all count, etc, I’ll take the hell out of them. But singles are the most fickle kinds of hits, they can be lucky, they can be bad defense, and yeah, a lot of them are totally legit line drive singles. But to quote the immortal Crash Davis:
You know what the difference is between hitting .250 and hitting.300? I got it figured out. Twenty-five hits a year in 500 at bats is 50 points. Okay? There’s 6 months in a season, that’s about 25 weeks—you get one extra flare a week—just one—a gork, a ground ball with eyes, a dying quail—just one more dying quail a week and you’re in Yankee Stadium!
Couldn’t it go the other way, one LESS hit per week? One less quail, gork, etc, and you’re in Security Service Field?
We’re not really debating whether or not Yorvit has been important to the team, we’re arguing about how nobody seems to acknowledge that this hot streak isn’t really HIM. It started with cautionary statements from RG, and it’s snowballed into this.
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 5, 2009 9:00 PM MDT up reply actions 3 recs
But perhaps we have a new Yorvit...and this IS him...
let’s face it, something has changed in the guy after his ordeal. People and players can and do change.
Dear Rockies - Thank you for proving John Kruk is a pertinacious nincompoop.
Troy Tulowitzki - THE best SS in the game..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba - En Fuego
Brad Hawpe- Big Bad Brad is Back BABY!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, stalking the NL Pennant
Sure
fair enough. If this is the “New Yorvit”, he’s a singles hitter. He’s like David Eckstein behind the plate.
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 5, 2009 9:07 PM MDT up reply actions
I'll take a singles hitter..especially with RISP
Someone who isn’t a rally killer…works for me.
Dear Rockies - Thank you for proving John Kruk is a pertinacious nincompoop.
Troy Tulowitzki - THE best SS in the game..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba - En Fuego
Brad Hawpe- Big Bad Brad is Back BABY!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, stalking the NL Pennant
right now, if he can keep it up, sure, I take the hell out of it
and right now, he’s doing it (against RHP anyhow), so yeah, go for it (against RHP).
But sometimes you have to be the rally starter, you need to be the first one on base, and I’d rather have a guy on 2B than 1B, all else equal.
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 5, 2009 9:18 PM MDT up reply actions
Yorvit had a lead off triple
Stranded… We needed Yorvit up to drive in Yorvit from third :-p
"It is a mistake to look too far ahead. Only one link of the chain of destiny can be handled at a time." ~W. Churchill
LOL! That made me laugh..!!
Dear Rockies - Thank you for proving John Kruk is a pertinacious nincompoop.
Troy Tulowitzki - THE best SS in the game..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba - En Fuego
Brad Hawpe- Big Bad Brad is Back BABY!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, stalking the NL Pennant
pitching bugs bunny
second base bugs bunny left field bugs bunny third base bugs bunny third base bugs bunny
HOMEWORK
EVERYBODY WATCH THIS AND REPORT BACK WHEN FINISHED
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 5, 2009 9:30 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
So you agree
Yorvit should play EVERY position!!! :-p
"It is a mistake to look too far ahead. Only one link of the chain of destiny can be handled at a time." ~W. Churchill
precisely. All that clutch would just collapse baseball
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 5, 2009 9:39 PM MDT up reply actions
And imagine the passionate celebration of Yorvit squared
Head asplode.
Watching the purple row from high atop the big brown monolith on California Ave
hey he hit a double the other day
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 5, 2009 9:49 PM MDT up reply actions
Iannetta has like 10 or 15 singles, alright?
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 5, 2009 9:55 PM MDT up reply actions
sure the singles were luck
but the doubles, triples, and homers, they were all WILLED off of his bat!
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 5, 2009 9:57 PM MDT up reply actions
what, you've never seen a lucky roller that just missed like 4 gloves and turned into an RBI single?
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 5, 2009 9:58 PM MDT up reply actions
They call it a seeing eyes single
I think because voodoo is involved. Not luck…black magic!
"It is a mistake to look too far ahead. Only one link of the chain of destiny can be handled at a time." ~W. Churchill
ah of course
some christian organization THIS is
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 5, 2009 10:14 PM MDT up reply actions
Hey, you gotta go with what works!
"It is a mistake to look too far ahead. Only one link of the chain of destiny can be handled at a time." ~W. Churchill
I'll call Mephistopheles
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 5, 2009 10:20 PM MDT up reply actions
Everybody keeps saying "singles hitter"
As if hitting singles was a bad thing! In RISP situations singles are awesome.
"It is a mistake to look too far ahead. Only one link of the chain of destiny can be handled at a time." ~W. Churchill
Tony Gwynn Sr and Ichiro
might be surprised to know that singles hitting is a bad thing..;)
Dear Rockies - Thank you for proving John Kruk is a pertinacious nincompoop.
Troy Tulowitzki - THE best SS in the game..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba - En Fuego
Brad Hawpe- Big Bad Brad is Back BABY!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, stalking the NL Pennant
good point
Career SB:
Ichiro: 341
Tony Gwynn: 319
Yorvit Torrealba: 11
If you’re going to be a singles hitter, you need to complement it with either stellar defense or base stealing ability.
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 5, 2009 9:20 PM MDT up reply actions
How did Yorvit steal 11 bases?
Those catchers should be ashamed of themselves, seriously!
I think the Rockies are lucky to have this problem.
They have a hot Yorvit and a guy who has much better numbers against lefties both playing catcher; a position you usually get limited offense from.
Batters who walk to first usually come running home.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 5, 2009 9:13 PM MDT up reply actions
When I think about it like this is say go with Yorvit
Yorvit’s hotness is much more likely to get lost with downtime than CDI’s overall superior talent.
"It is a mistake to look too far ahead. Only one link of the chain of destiny can be handled at a time." ~W. Churchill
True enough
but Iannetta batted .350 in September. That was all more or less wasted.
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 5, 2009 9:22 PM MDT up reply actions
Well certainly the PH walk-off HR wasn't wasted
"It is a mistake to look too far ahead. Only one link of the chain of destiny can be handled at a time." ~W. Churchill
Hell yeah!
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 5, 2009 9:24 PM MDT up reply actions
Iannetta only played in 6 games in September.
But I agree he has been swinging the bat better lately.
I’ll repeat my stance on this. The Rockies have a good problem right now.
Batters who walk to first usually come running home.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 5, 2009 9:26 PM MDT up reply actions
hell yeah
clutch singles vs often wasted doubles/walks
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 5, 2009 9:30 PM MDT up reply actions
It doesn't matter if this is "real"...
…what matters is that it’s happening. Basiscally, you’re making this sort of argument:
ME: This Snickers bar sure is delicious!
YOU: Yes, but if you eat them every day for the rest of your life, you will get fat and maybe have a heart attack. Plus all that sugar is bad for you.
ME: I know. But this Snickers bar is delicious.
We know that Yorvit Torrealba is an average player. We know that he can’t possibly kep this up over the course of an entire season. We know that Iannetta has the potential to be very good.
But. That’s. Not. What’s. Being. Discussed
There is only one thing to think about:
On October 5, 2009, at 9:09 PM Mountain Time, Yorvit Torrealba is hotter than a firecracker. A pressure hit and RBI machine. He may not be that on April 5, 2010. But I don’t care about April 5, 2010 right now.
Cool
Me: I could really go for a steak
You: Here’s a delicious Snickers bar!
Me: Uh….thanks, but it’s dinner time. Steak goes better for dinner than a Snickers bar.
You: But it’s here! and Delicious!
Me: Yeah, but it’s gonna be awful with A1 and this baked potato and grilled asparagus…
Iannetta hits lefties better. Night and Day better. It’s not even funny. Torrealba is ATROCIOUS vs LHP. Iannetta should start all 3 games against the Phillies’ 3 strong LHP.
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 5, 2009 9:24 PM MDT up reply actions
No, it's more like...
ME: This Snickers bar is delicious
YOU: Hey, I’ve got a cow here that, one year from now will make a delicious filet mignon. Bon apetit!
no..
Iannetta is hitting LHP NOW. NOW. Look it up, it’s happening.
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 5, 2009 9:32 PM MDT up reply actions
oh you stop that
it’s as big of a sample as Torrealba’s hot September
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 5, 2009 9:49 PM MDT up reply actions
Hitting left-handed pitching is great
especially against a left-handed team. But I would contend that hitting with RISP is more important, and Torrealba is outperforming Ianetta on that front by a huge margin, much huger than Ianetta’s edge over Torrealba vs. LHP. As good as Helton and Tulo have been lately, I wouldn’t mind seeing Torrealba batting fifth.
For some weird reason,
I want to go dinner with BroJB and RMN, and have steak and Snickers bars..
and then just watch the fireworks..
Dear Rockies - Thank you for proving John Kruk is a pertinacious nincompoop.
Troy Tulowitzki - THE best SS in the game..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba - En Fuego
Brad Hawpe- Big Bad Brad is Back BABY!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, stalking the NL Pennant
I had a friend make Snickers Salad to a BBQ
Snickers, Apple chunks, Cool Whip.
It was disturbingly good.
Went terrible with Spaghetti and meat sauce.
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 5, 2009 9:34 PM MDT up reply actions
And booze.
We’ll need lots and lots of booze.
RMN can have the 1 year old scotch. I hear it will be very good someday. :)
lol...thats funny
Dear Rockies - Thank you for proving John Kruk is a pertinacious nincompoop.
Troy Tulowitzki - THE best SS in the game..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba - En Fuego
Brad Hawpe- Big Bad Brad is Back BABY!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, stalking the NL Pennant
oh snap
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 5, 2009 9:35 PM MDT up reply actions
And by the way, can we all agree.....
that Snickers bars are a delicious, delicious treat?
Let’s all link arms around some caramel and nougat, everyone!
oh man I love snickers
gun to my head, I take the steak, but I’ll be damned if they aren’t roughly my favorite candy bar
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 5, 2009 9:37 PM MDT up reply actions
^5
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 5, 2009 9:37 PM MDT up reply actions
you guys were much more interesting
before all the brolove started….
Dear Rockies - Thank you for proving John Kruk is a pertinacious nincompoop.
Troy Tulowitzki - THE best SS in the game..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba - En Fuego
Brad Hawpe- Big Bad Brad is Back BABY!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, stalking the NL Pennant
what, you want more food analogies?
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 5, 2009 9:39 PM MDT up reply actions
I was hoping for a
food fight…:) including mashed potatoes
Dear Rockies - Thank you for proving John Kruk is a pertinacious nincompoop.
Troy Tulowitzki - THE best SS in the game..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba - En Fuego
Brad Hawpe- Big Bad Brad is Back BABY!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, stalking the NL Pennant
don't make this personal
this is a battle of concepts
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 5, 2009 9:43 PM MDT up reply actions
Uh, nothing personal intended new brohammer...
just having fun with Jab’s ability to spark this argument with his posts. You gotta admit — he does stir things up in the Yorvit/CDI area. And that’s cool — ‘cause it’s way more fun with stuff stirred up.
And we’re not battling about anything. We (at least I) are just busting chops about baseball.
oh I wasn't taking it personal toward me
I just know how these things get and how they can be interpreted by other people.
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 5, 2009 9:50 PM MDT up reply actions
All you have to do to start this argument now is mention Yorvit or CDI
Batters who walk to first usually come running home.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 5, 2009 9:51 PM MDT up reply actions
CDI
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 5, 2009 9:55 PM MDT up reply actions
his BroBA is like .678
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 5, 2009 9:58 PM MDT up reply actions
ooh I got one
No thanks, I’ll have a coke. I hear it’s terrible when it’s hot, and when it cools back down, all the fizz is gone!
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 5, 2009 9:36 PM MDT up reply actions
It should be more like
YOU: This Snickers bar is delicious
ME: Yo, milk the cow to make a dozen Snickers, then club it and we can all have filet mignons.
Oh yeah, the cow’s name is Yorvit Ianetta. The second.
Watching the purple row from high atop the big brown monolith on California Ave
I hear Paul Phillips has ice cream in his locker
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 5, 2009 10:28 PM MDT up reply actions
OK here's a compromise
1) CDI starts vs. the lefties, get his hits, drives up the Philly’s pitch count.
2) Bring in a pinch runner for CDI around the 6th if he’s on base and have Yorvit get his clutch hits late.
Everybody wins
Batters who walk to first usually come running home.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 5, 2009 9:32 PM MDT up reply actions
I like it
just pray to God nothing happens to Yorvy, I don’t want to see Barmes behind home plate.
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 5, 2009 9:33 PM MDT up reply actions
Yep
no Phillips for backup these days.
"We made too many wrong mistakes." ~Yogi Berra
"The ballplayer who loses his head, who can't keep his cool, is worse than no ballplayer at all." ~Lou Gehrig
JFK
Should have read this first
It was pretty deep in extra innings, right?
"It is a mistake to look too far ahead. Only one link of the chain of destiny can be handled at a time." ~W. Churchill
Yeah....
Baylor pinch hit Jeff Reed, for Manwaring in the 9th. The game went to extras. Sometime around the 12th, Reed gets hurt and Neifi comes in. He hasn’t caught since little league and he promptly allows a passed ball that allows the winning run to score from third.
And that, boys and girls, is why you don’t use your backup catcher in a game.
Yeah, I totally remember that game, but you remember it better!
and the way that Tracy runs through the bench pretty much assures the only player left for emergency catching in the “teens” innings would be yesterdays starter (unless he already was used to pinch run.
No Criticism of Tracys strategy, just pointing out that using your backup catcher is a very bad idea… especially in the 5th or 6th inning!
"It is a mistake to look too far ahead. Only one link of the chain of destiny can be handled at a time." ~W. Churchill
I agree it is a huge risk and that Tracy would be attacked for doing it
But if you’re playing the mumbers what more likely; an injury or Yorvit making a difference in a close game?
Batters who walk to first usually come running home.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 5, 2009 10:16 PM MDT up reply actions
should say numbers
Batters who walk to first usually come running home.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 5, 2009 10:16 PM MDT up reply actions
nah i like the mumbers game more
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 5, 2009 10:17 PM MDT up reply actions
Mumbers: a whole new way to look at baseball
Batters who walk to first usually come running home.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 5, 2009 10:21 PM MDT up reply actions
bersberl
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 5, 2009 10:23 PM MDT up reply actions
An injury gaurantees a loss
a PH by Yorvit gives maybe a 30% chance of possibly winning (at best). So even if the incidence odds favor replacing yorvit the damage factor precludes it.
"It is a mistake to look too far ahead. Only one link of the chain of destiny can be handled at a time." ~W. Churchill
dude, a 30% WPA is freaking fantastic
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 5, 2009 10:25 PM MDT up reply actions
I don't know what the odds are but it's an interesting question to think about.
Thing is you would only do it in a close game so any hit is more likly to win the game and since he’s only playing a couple of innings an injury becomes less likely.
And after watching that 14 inning affair against the Giants with the lineup we had left, nothing gaurantees a loss
Batters who walk to first usually come running home.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 5, 2009 10:29 PM MDT up reply actions
But but but
in the 14th we still had a real catcher! In fact, since we had to use a catcher to PH, we were going to keep him in the field. It is that critical. You never want to be in a position esp. early in a game where you have only ONE catcher!
"It is a mistake to look too far ahead. Only one link of the chain of destiny can be handled at a time." ~W. Churchill
The concept amkes complete sense to me but it dosn't seem like the number would back it up. (Thats just taking an educated guess)
In the 14 inning game I was refering to the fact that we had one guy who could barely walk, one who couldn’t swing a bat, and a pitcher coming up and we still pulled it out.
Batters who walk to first usually come running home.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 5, 2009 10:45 PM MDT up reply actions
That has to be THE best game this year
Dear Rockies - Thank you for proving John Kruk is a pertinacious nincompoop.
Troy Tulowitzki - THE best SS in the game..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba - En Fuego
Brad Hawpe- Big Bad Brad is Back BABY!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, stalking the NL Pennant
pinch hitting: Bugs Bunny
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 5, 2009 10:47 PM MDT up reply actions
Once again
I still like Bobo the Elephant
"We made too many wrong mistakes." ~Yogi Berra
"The ballplayer who loses his head, who can't keep his cool, is worse than no ballplayer at all." ~Lou Gehrig
JFK
People in the northeast try to tell me it was the Red Sox/Yankee 15 inning game and I luagh at them
Batters who walk to first usually come running home.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 5, 2009 10:49 PM MDT up reply actions
PUHLEEZ!
Did they have injuries like we did? They are not worthy…
Dear Rockies - Thank you for proving John Kruk is a pertinacious nincompoop.
Troy Tulowitzki - THE best SS in the game..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba - En Fuego
Brad Hawpe- Big Bad Brad is Back BABY!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, stalking the NL Pennant
That was the first game
This year that I got to Watch!!!
"It is a mistake to look too far ahead. Only one link of the chain of destiny can be handled at a time." ~W. Churchill
Wow!
That is awesome!!
Dear Rockies - Thank you for proving John Kruk is a pertinacious nincompoop.
Troy Tulowitzki - THE best SS in the game..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba - En Fuego
Brad Hawpe- Big Bad Brad is Back BABY!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, stalking the NL Pennant
Come to think of it, I don't think I've ever seen a game as good as that. (Minus postseason implications)
Batters who walk to first usually come running home.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 5, 2009 10:56 PM MDT up reply actions
That must have made it worth the wait
Batters who walk to first usually come running home.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 5, 2009 10:54 PM MDT up reply actions
Yeah, it was awesome
I had just moved out of the mountains and since I finally had an internet connection again I bought mlb.tv… I was like “WOW, watching the games is SOOO much more exciting than boxscores”
"It is a mistake to look too far ahead. Only one link of the chain of destiny can be handled at a time." ~W. Churchill
Was that before or after the 14th inning?
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 5, 2009 11:00 PM MDT up reply actions
BOTH!
I was so happy that I could manually adjust the resolution because my connection still kinda sucks, and last year I had mlb.tv in Villahermosa (even faster than here) and it kept freezing on me in CLUTCH situations. But that game, I mean WOW, only parallel is the Plan-in two years ago. I have watched every single game since…
"It is a mistake to look too far ahead. Only one link of the chain of destiny can be handled at a time." ~W. Churchill
Unfortunatly this plan won't be used for that very reason.
Managers are so careful about this. I say be aggressive.
Batters who walk to first usually come running home.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 5, 2009 9:40 PM MDT up reply actions
Yeah there will be NO non-emergency catcher substitutions...
Anyone remember the game that Neifi Perez ended up behind the plate? He almost screwed up an IBB. I don’t want anything close to that in the playoffs.
"It is a mistake to look too far ahead. Only one link of the chain of destiny can be handled at a time." ~W. Churchill
scroll up 2 comments
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 5, 2009 9:44 PM MDT up reply actions
Yeah just caught that
"It is a mistake to look too far ahead. Only one link of the chain of destiny can be handled at a time." ~W. Churchill
I believe in streakiness...
I don’t think that it is sustainable for a long period of time, but I think it is representative of where he is now. Just because he won’t keep it up forever doesn’t mean (according to my assumptions) that he will regress immediately.
"It is a mistake to look too far ahead. Only one link of the chain of destiny can be handled at a time." ~W. Churchill
i think all threads from this day forward should be required to have at least
one Bull Durham quote….
watch this space for a soon to be created clever remark....
I can get on board with that
and will do everything I can to make it happen.
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 5, 2009 9:25 PM MDT up reply actions
I'm just happy to be here, hope I can help the ballclub
Watching the purple row from high atop the big brown monolith on California Ave
Not to get off topic..but
interesting article on Yahoo Sports…
I found Tulo’s quote intriguing
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;ylt=Aj3ChVPrvdqkzEDfFzIjrERvLYF?slug=ap-rockies-playoffs&prov=ap&type=lgns
Dear Rockies - Thank you for proving John Kruk is a pertinacious nincompoop.
Troy Tulowitzki - THE best SS in the game..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba - En Fuego
Brad Hawpe- Big Bad Brad is Back BABY!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, stalking the NL Pennant
saying that Colorado is a better team all the way through?
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 5, 2009 9:44 PM MDT up reply actions
about Tracy....
Dear Rockies - Thank you for proving John Kruk is a pertinacious nincompoop.
Troy Tulowitzki - THE best SS in the game..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba - En Fuego
Brad Hawpe- Big Bad Brad is Back BABY!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, stalking the NL Pennant
oh the glad he got fired thing?
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 5, 2009 9:51 PM MDT up reply actions
yes...
Dear Rockies - Thank you for proving John Kruk is a pertinacious nincompoop.
Troy Tulowitzki - THE best SS in the game..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba - En Fuego
Brad Hawpe- Big Bad Brad is Back BABY!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, stalking the NL Pennant
yeah, it was kind of interesting.
I think the players feel more respected now…not that Hurdle was disrespectful, but more that they have a real boss now, and not just their high school teacher apprenticing them.
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 5, 2009 9:56 PM MDT up reply actions
Yeah...its almost
like they needed some boundaries. Hurdle may have become too close to the players in a way…
Dear Rockies - Thank you for proving John Kruk is a pertinacious nincompoop.
Troy Tulowitzki - THE best SS in the game..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba - En Fuego
Brad Hawpe- Big Bad Brad is Back BABY!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, stalking the NL Pennant
It's a mystery we may never completely figure out
Batters who walk to first usually come running home.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 5, 2009 10:02 PM MDT up reply actions
whatever it is...something is working!
Thank goodness..
Dear Rockies - Thank you for proving John Kruk is a pertinacious nincompoop.
Troy Tulowitzki - THE best SS in the game..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba - En Fuego
Brad Hawpe- Big Bad Brad is Back BABY!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, stalking the NL Pennant
Yeah
I know they were underachieveing the first two months but you can’t deny that they turned it around right when Tracy took over. (or about a week after) It’s just hard to believe a manager could make that big of a difference. I like to think it started some sort of domino effect.
Batters who walk to first usually come running home.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 5, 2009 10:07 PM MDT up reply actions
I think it was a combination of the managerial change itself,
regardless of who took over, and Tracy. I think the shoe finally dropping took a lot of pressure off of everyone. So that was part of it, and then Tracy was another part.
JDLR was a huge part too
He was 0-6 during the first two months. Tulo and JDLR turned it around right when Tracy took over. Tulo’s rebound has been well documented but is there any specific reason JDLR turned it around?
Batters who walk to first usually come running home.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 5, 2009 10:19 PM MDT up reply actions
Clint, do you know the difference between a good touch and a bad touch?
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 5, 2009 10:15 PM MDT up reply actions
ROFL!!!!! and o_O oh my
Dear Rockies - Thank you for proving John Kruk is a pertinacious nincompoop.
Troy Tulowitzki - THE best SS in the game..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba - En Fuego
Brad Hawpe- Big Bad Brad is Back BABY!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, stalking the NL Pennant
I wonder how if feels.....
to have the entire Rocky Mountain region worried about your groin?
When he’s walking around the Cherry Creek Mall are people shouting “Hey Jorge, how’s the groin?”
by BroJB on Oct 5, 2009 10:00 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
OMG that is hysterical..
I laughed so hard, I started to cough..thanks!
Dear Rockies - Thank you for proving John Kruk is a pertinacious nincompoop.
Troy Tulowitzki - THE best SS in the game..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba - En Fuego
Brad Hawpe- Big Bad Brad is Back BABY!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, stalking the NL Pennant
and really coast to coast groin worry..
Dear Rockies - Thank you for proving John Kruk is a pertinacious nincompoop.
Troy Tulowitzki - THE best SS in the game..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba - En Fuego
Brad Hawpe- Big Bad Brad is Back BABY!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, stalking the NL Pennant
This conversation is going down a dangerous road
Batters who walk to first usually come running home.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 5, 2009 10:04 PM MDT up reply actions
whatever line up we use
it better send us to victory…Go Rockies!
we seem to have gotten over that HURDLE
ROCKTOBER HAS BEGUN!
Checkin in to get educated loved the poss line ups and comments by Jabberwocky
Reader’s Digest of Comments for far……We have two catchers, one is a candy bar and the other is some kind of beef. SDcat09 goes off topic at just the right time, and holly96 has a groin fetish.
we're dealing with a lot of shit out here!
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 5, 2009 10:29 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
I wonder if other SB nation sites have this much fun?
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 5, 2009 10:31 PM MDT up reply actions
heh
/eats 6 Rolaids
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 5, 2009 10:32 PM MDT up reply actions
That would be
inconceivable
"It is a mistake to look too far ahead. Only one link of the chain of destiny can be handled at a time." ~W. Churchill
go for it
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 5, 2009 11:00 PM MDT up reply actions
You want a toe? I'll get you a toe
Oh, wrong movie.
Watching the purple row from high atop the big brown monolith on California Ave
You lollygag around the Fanposts
You lollygag to the game thread.
You lollygag your way around the overflow threads.
What does that make you?
ROWBOTS!!!!
Watching the purple row from high atop the big brown monolith on California Ave
Thought I would share this
Didn’t want to fanshot it because its not Rockies related, however it is sorta related to the conversation at hand.
Brad Hawpe - Providing Air Conditioning to Catchers Everywhere.
Hey I'm on Youtube!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gAlLTZsGUg
Link fail
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/joe_posnanski/10/03/red.sox.epstein/index.html
Brad Hawpe - Providing Air Conditioning to Catchers Everywhere.
Hey I'm on Youtube!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gAlLTZsGUg
I enjoy joepo
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 5, 2009 11:02 PM MDT up reply actions
Dear Rockies
I say this all the time.
Hire me now.
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 5, 2009 11:05 PM MDT up reply actions
Good article
The one thing I disagree with is the payroll thing. I menn yeah the Cubs and the Mets spent money and didn’t make the playoffs but that’s because they are the Cubs and the Mets. (You can’t fix stupid) But if Detroit wins tomorrow 6 of the top 9 payroll teams will have made the playoffs. (2 of the 3 that didn’t were the Cubs and the Mets) Big market fans will never convince me that being able to sign almost any free agent you want is not a huge advantage. It really makes what the Rockies and Twins have done even more impressive.
Batters who walk to first usually come running home.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 5, 2009 11:11 PM MDT up reply actions
Good point
and I agree whole 100%. However the thing I was looking at is you have a GM saying that RBI’s are meaningless and he doesn’t even look at them. Given our debates we have around here, I figure this would be a good article to inject into the discussion.
Brad Hawpe - Providing Air Conditioning to Catchers Everywhere.
Hey I'm on Youtube!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gAlLTZsGUg
well I personally agree with them
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 5, 2009 11:23 PM MDT up reply actions
This article ask the age old question of whether baseball is a game of runs or a game of outs.
I think most SABER people would tell you it’s a game of outs because theoretically if you never made an out you could keep scoring runs forever.
Batters who walk to first usually come running home.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 5, 2009 11:29 PM MDT up reply actions
precisely
The currency of baseball is outs. You exchange outs for runs. Some players are more efficient at that than others.
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 5, 2009 11:32 PM MDT up reply actions
Amazing such a simple concept can lead to a debate about Snickers and beef
Batters who walk to first usually come running home.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 5, 2009 11:35 PM MDT up reply actions
By the way I agree with this cocept
Batters who walk to first usually come running home.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 5, 2009 11:36 PM MDT up reply actions
By the way who do people like in tomorrowa game?
Batters who walk to first usually come running home.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 5, 2009 11:12 PM MDT reply actions
I think I picked the Tigers
But I’d be interested to see what Minny does
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 5, 2009 11:12 PM MDT up reply actions
I like the Twins
It should be a tough game but they have the recent play-in experience and won’t want to lose again.
"We made too many wrong mistakes." ~Yogi Berra
"The ballplayer who loses his head, who can't keep his cool, is worse than no ballplayer at all." ~Lou Gehrig
JFK
Twins
It might take a little luster off us since we won’t be the playoffs poorest team, but you gotta root for the underdog and against the (alleged) drunken wife beater (though I do feel like he let the rest of the team down and feel bad about that, for them)
"It is a mistake to look too far ahead. Only one link of the chain of destiny can be handled at a time." ~W. Churchill
I think the Twins will win.
They are rediculously hot right now, are playing at home, and don’t have to face Verlander.
I think putting Morneau on the DL helped them because he was such a hole in the middle of their lineup when that getting him out of there made for no easy outs. Now it’s not just Mauer, it’s Kubal, and Cuddayer hitting for power too.
Batters who walk to first usually come running home.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 5, 2009 11:18 PM MDT up reply actions
Whoever wins gets promptly smoked
No off day no rotation shuffle and have to play a rested and organized Yankees team
"It is a mistake to look too far ahead. Only one link of the chain of destiny can be handled at a time." ~W. Churchill
Unfortunately I think you're right
Batters who walk to first usually come running home.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 5, 2009 11:30 PM MDT up reply actions
yeah I definitely didn't get picked again
Thaaaaaaanks
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 5, 2009 11:17 PM MDT up reply actions
I didn't get picked for this round either
so this stupid ticket thing is BROKE! It’s screwed up! It’s a farce! The Monforts SUXS!
well…some where between the first and 2nd round it broke :)
No dice here
or with my 3 family members either
"We made too many wrong mistakes." ~Yogi Berra
"The ballplayer who loses his head, who can't keep his cool, is worse than no ballplayer at all." ~Lou Gehrig
JFK
I didn't get picked...
however my girlfriend was so hopefully we get some tickets.
Brad Hawpe - Providing Air Conditioning to Catchers Everywhere.
Hey I'm on Youtube!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gAlLTZsGUg
Wait, Your girlfriend gets tickets and
You have to hope that you get one of them…
I hope I’m missing something here
"It is a mistake to look too far ahead. Only one link of the chain of destiny can be handled at a time." ~W. Churchill
No I will get one, she's using my credit card to get em
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Hey I'm on Youtube!
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