Rockies Set Rotation, Roster for NLDS and Lineup for Game 1
According to Sports Illustrated, Jorge De La Rosa will not be available for the NLDS. As such, here's the Rockies' NLDS rotation:
Ubaldo Jimenez,
Aaron Cook
Jason Hammel
It appears that Jason Marquis will be used out of the bullpen during the first three games, meaning that the Rockies seem to be planning to have Jimenez go in game 4 on short rest and Cook in game 5 on regular rest. The possibility still remains that Marquis could start game 4, though no decision has been made on that. Likely if the Rockies are up 2-1 Marquis would start and if they are down 2-1 Jimenez would go.
Jim Tracy on Marquis:
"I think the first two-thirds of the season were exceptional," Tracy said. "Right now he's not throwing the ball quite in the same manner. And to ignore a guy that has thrown the ball as well as Jason Hammel has thrown it since the All-Star break, I really feel is doing ourselves a disservice."
According to the Denver Post, here's the playoff bullpen:
Jason Marquis
Jose Contreras
Matt Belisle
Joe Beimel
Franklin Morales
Matt Daley
Rafael Betancourt
Huston Street
Belisle basically replaced De La Rosa on the roster. The Rockies have two lefties in the pen to help with the Phillies' Ryan Howard in particular.
From the same link, here's the Game 1 Lineup and bench:
Game 1 Lineup:
CF Dexter Fowler
LF Carlos Gonzalez
1B Todd Helton
SS Troy Tulowitzki
3B Garrett Atkins
C Yorvit Torrealba
RF Brad Hawpe
2B Clint Barmes
RHP Ubaldo Jimenez
This is pretty much what I figured the lineup would be for Game 1, with Atkins and Torrealba starting. I'm pleasantly surprised to see that CarGo will make the start in lieu of Ryan Spilborghs, though I believe that the Rockies are better suited with Gonzalez in the leadoff position rather than in the two hole.
Bench:
1B/DH Jason Giambi
C Chris Iannetta
LF Seth Smith
OF Ryan Spilborghs
3B Ian Stewart
2B/OF Eric Young Jr.
EY2 has taken Quintanilla's bench spot while Giambi slides in as the extra position player.
Hat tip to Rock Oax for his FanShot.
UPDATE: Tracy Ringolsby adds his thoughts on the roster and mentions that Jose Contreras is also a viable option for the starter of Game 4.
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All things considered, I like this lineup for game 1
Yeah, having CarGo leadoff would have been preferable, but playing Yorvit over CDI seems fine for game 1. And as much as you’d like to see Hawpe doing well in a #5 hole, fact is, he’s actually performing in the #7 slot, so why mess with it for right now.
Watching the purple row from high atop the big brown monolith on California Ave
by Mondogarage on Oct 6, 2009 2:27 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
can't complain about the line up
Let’s get after Lee early and often and make him get his last 5-7 starts in the back of his mind early….Go Rox
we seem to have gotten over that HURDLE
ROCKTOBER HAS BEGUN!
by TuLoRocks2008 on Oct 6, 2009 2:31 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
For about 10 seconds the full NLDS roster was up
The story was originally just about JDLR, then updated about rotation, then lineup was added, finally the Bench and Bullpen were added 10 seconds or so before the story was pulled. I think they might have released the info too soon?!?
There were no Bullpen or Bench surprises. Belisle and EY2 are in. Other than that it is everyone you’d expect.
"It is a mistake to look too far ahead. Only one link of the chain of destiny can be handled at a time." ~W. Churchill
by Rock Oax on Oct 6, 2009 2:33 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
yea i saw a story was up for a bit
and it is gone now?
we seem to have gotten over that HURDLE
ROCKTOBER HAS BEGUN!
by TuLoRocks2008 on Oct 6, 2009 2:34 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gone like my next paycheck
"It is a mistake to look too far ahead. Only one link of the chain of destiny can be handled at a time." ~W. Churchill
by Rock Oax on Oct 6, 2009 2:35 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Belisle would probably be the guy that JDLR will replace should the Rockies advance.
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by Jeff Aberle on Oct 6, 2009 2:40 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
I think he must have been the last one added. Let’s hope that JDLR recovers to be able to replace him.
I am glad that Hammel is going in game 3 over Marquis!
"It is a mistake to look too far ahead. Only one link of the chain of destiny can be handled at a time." ~W. Churchill
by Rock Oax on Oct 6, 2009 2:43 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
really happy to see Hammel in Game 3
as well…kinda hoping Contreras and Marquis split Game 4 like 3 innings each i think that would be better for us…but we shall see…i told my friend Hammel would start game 3 he said no way why bla bla lol
we seem to have gotten over that HURDLE
ROCKTOBER HAS BEGUN!
by TuLoRocks2008 on Oct 6, 2009 2:45 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
so i assume the bench was
Spilly Smith Stewart Iannetta EY2 and Giambino?
and the bullpen is…Contreras Belisle Morales Daley Beimel Beatencourt Street?
we seem to have gotten over that HURDLE
ROCKTOBER HAS BEGUN!
by TuLoRocks2008 on Oct 6, 2009 2:44 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes I believe so
I only saw it for a second but I believe that is correct.
"It is a mistake to look too far ahead. Only one link of the chain of destiny can be handled at a time." ~W. Churchill
by Rock Oax on Oct 6, 2009 2:47 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's Betancourt, not Beatencourt
/friendly neighborhood spellchecker.
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by Jeff Aberle on Oct 6, 2009 3:11 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
ahh thanks
for the friendly reminder
we seem to have gotten over that HURDLE
ROCKTOBER HAS BEGUN!
by TuLoRocks2008 on Oct 6, 2009 3:20 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pretty much chalk
Nothing unexpected. I sincerely hope Atkins goes out on a high note here.
by Teekalong on Oct 6, 2009 2:48 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Having
a big series/postseason would be really really nice – increase the chance the team could actually get something in return rather than non-tendering him.
by Hizilla on Oct 6, 2009 2:50 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
They're going to non-tender him.
No one would want to deal with what he’d be making next year unless they can start a new contract with him.
A big post season is just that, a good post season. Don’t expect him to make up any value in the coming weeks.
http://twitter.com/blakebomber
by BlakeBomber on Oct 6, 2009 3:20 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
With all the
poor decisions that have been made over the past few years, I’ll believe it when I see it. Good postseasons have made alot of guys alot of dollars.
by Hizilla on Oct 6, 2009 3:22 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
metoo
he has owned the Phillies so far this year…maybe this is his one team he can hit…continue it Atkins
we seem to have gotten over that HURDLE
ROCKTOBER HAS BEGUN!
by TuLoRocks2008 on Oct 6, 2009 2:54 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I konw that our absurd record with Gonzalez in the lineup
Is probably a little bit of small sample size skewing, but I must say I feel a lot better about any lineup when he’s up at the top. Seems like he’s always getting on early for Helton and Tulo and helping us get early runs. Lefty/righty splits be damned, I advocate Gonzalez in the lineup at all times.
by controlled_slide on Oct 6, 2009 3:00 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
or just that correlation != causality
let’s hope Yorvit’s contact skills can make up for his .610 OPS v LHP.
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 6, 2009 3:15 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
ESPN reporting
that Marquis will be used out of the bullpen during the first three games. We’re apparently only going with 3 starters during the NLDS. It isn’t official but it is assumed that Jiminez would then go in Game 4 and Cook in Game 5
by sg8335aa on Oct 6, 2009 3:08 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
The link below says no decisions have been made on Game 4 and Game 5.
It sounds like depending on work load, Marquis could still be a possibility.
by holly96 on Oct 6, 2009 3:18 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
DP Link
Rocktober is the best time of year, yes?
by rockhead on Oct 6, 2009 3:13 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Just as I edit it...it goes back up.
Time to edit again.
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by Jeff Aberle on Oct 6, 2009 3:22 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's too bad about DLR
Interesting the Cook would get an away game and Hammel would get a Coors start, based on how Hammel has pitched at home vs the road.
Anyone else watching the TBS Twins/Tigers game? Chip Caray’s clothes are hilarious yet again.
by ddavis539 on Oct 6, 2009 3:19 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
nothing unusual
with his wardrobe lol
we seem to have gotten over that HURDLE
ROCKTOBER HAS BEGUN!
by TuLoRocks2008 on Oct 6, 2009 3:21 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bright pink shrit again??
http://twitter.com/blakebomber
by BlakeBomber on Oct 6, 2009 3:21 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought Hammel pitched just as well at Coors as he did on the road?
peripheral-wise at least..
by Muzia on Oct 6, 2009 3:22 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pitch Cookie in Philly to keep the ball in the yard
as Hammel is more prone to give up the HR, seems like solid logic to me.
by Muzia on Oct 6, 2009 3:27 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Coors gives up more dingers than the Cit
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 6, 2009 3:35 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Even when it is 30 degrees and snowing?
"It is a mistake to look too far ahead. Only one link of the chain of destiny can be handled at a time." ~W. Churchill
by Rock Oax on Oct 6, 2009 3:35 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whoops
I somehow forgot the second part of the phrase Read and Learn.
And I seem to recall Hammel shutting down the Phillies earlier this year in CBP. Now the logic makes less sense.
by Muzia on Oct 6, 2009 3:39 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know right
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 6, 2009 3:50 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sure about that?
Where can I find this info for 2009?
by dsmba on Oct 6, 2009 4:17 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
statcorner.com
click on the team, it gives individual park effects including HR/FB
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 6, 2009 5:13 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Chip Caray or Craig Sager?
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 6, 2009 3:34 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Craig Sager
This is pretty close to what he’s wearing today:

by ddavis539 on Oct 6, 2009 3:56 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
ow my retinas.
"Every hitter likes fastballs just like everybody likes ice cream. But you don't like it when someone's stuffing it into you by the gallon. That's how you feel when Ubaldo is throwing fastballs by you."
by The Lodo Magic Man on Oct 6, 2009 5:25 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Denver Post
has the article back up mentioning the pen and bench all that somebody just beat me too it above so check there lol
we seem to have gotten over that HURDLE
ROCKTOBER HAS BEGUN!
by TuLoRocks2008 on Oct 6, 2009 3:20 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Anyone else feel sad for Q?
But then again, he knows his role, makes his money, and must be happy with it. Just would be weird to be on the bench all season, doing your 1 PH every week thing, then bam, rosters expand, and you’re gone golfin for the playoffs.
Gladly sharing a name with Dexter Fowler!
by ShadowPenguin on Oct 6, 2009 3:33 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
well he's gonna be hanging out on the bench
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 6, 2009 3:35 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do guys not on the roster still go...
Dress in street clothes, and hang out on the bench?
I know I’ve seen Francis here and there in the dugout during the season, but I wasn’t sure if that was normal procedure during the playoffs.
Gladly sharing a name with Dexter Fowler!
by ShadowPenguin on Oct 6, 2009 3:42 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
nope, they hang out in uniform
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 6, 2009 3:50 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, right on
Guess it’s weird to be in uniform if you have zero chance of actually playing. That’s one nice difference for baseball compared to all the other sports; everyone looks the same in the dugout!
Gladly sharing a name with Dexter Fowler!
by ShadowPenguin on Oct 6, 2009 3:53 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
well it means you're part of the team still
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 6, 2009 3:57 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
EYJ
Am I the only one with concerns about Eric Young Jr? Yes he has great speed, but he has been picked off way to much and he has as many CS as Stolen (4 of each). Neither Q or EYJ bring a lot to the plate, but I think Omar “the defensive binky” Quintanilla would be more valuable with the glove.
Don’t get me wrong, I am very excited about Eric Young Jr, but I don’t know that I would trust him to go steal an important base. I would however trust Omar to fill in at 2nd, SS, 3rd and any of the outfield spots.
What if the hokey pokey is what it is all about after all????
by FlyAway on Oct 6, 2009 3:38 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd feel comfortable with running him against Lidge
He does get picked off too much, but he has better speed and bat than Q. I don’t think there is much question that this was the right move.
"It is a mistake to look too far ahead. Only one link of the chain of destiny can be handled at a time." ~W. Churchill
by Rock Oax on Oct 6, 2009 3:41 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Omar has no OF experience, while EY2 does.
That’s a serious point in EY2’s favor.
Eschew Obfuscation!
by Jeff Aberle on Oct 6, 2009 3:46 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
does his experience include diving behind Gonzalez making a play
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 6, 2009 3:51 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think there are plenty of OF already
Smth, Spillboughs and even Ian Stewart if you had to can all play the outfield. Omar’s defense is needed in the infield. If the Rockies are depending on any one of these guys for offense then they are pretty much screwed anyway, so why not go for the better defense?
I am by no means saying that EY2 was the wrong choice, I am just wondering if others were as uneasy about counting on him to steal bases. Omar’s glove is a known comodity, Eric Young does not have enough experiance to know what we will get from him just yet. Maybe I am being to conservative.
What if the hokey pokey is what it is all about after all????
by FlyAway on Oct 6, 2009 4:03 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think stealing bases is the only reason.
He can also score from first on some hits that others couldn’t. I don’t think Q is a bad baserunner, but he’s certainly not as fast as EY2.
by holly96 on Oct 6, 2009 4:20 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think that Omar could score from first on a ball in the gap almost as often as Young, just like Young could make a play on defense almost as often as Q. I did change mind on this though after I looked at the Phillies bullpen. See my comments below.
What if the hokey pokey is what it is all about after all????
by FlyAway on Oct 6, 2009 4:25 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
in a word
i disagree
ok, two words..
EY2 is much faster than omar – tagging from third on a fly, 2nd to home on a single, etc. philly has a small outfield, we need the speed on the base paths.
watch this space for a soon to be created clever remark....
by RockyMtnCat on Oct 6, 2009 4:27 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK, I have change my mind....here is why...
Rock Oax’s comment about running on Lidge triggered me to look at the playoff bullpen roster. From what I saw they will have Blanton, Durbin, Kendrick, Lidge, Madson, Martinez and Myers….. all right handers. That will make stealing bases much easier for EY2. Given that I now agree that EY2 is the correct choice over Omar Quintanilla. I will admit my bias because I love good defense.
What if the hokey pokey is what it is all about after all????
by FlyAway on Oct 6, 2009 4:10 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
is the giambino licking his chops a bit when he sees this....
and the seth, if he doesn’t start..
ummmm
UMMMMMMM
watch this space for a soon to be created clever remark....
by RockyMtnCat on Oct 6, 2009 4:27 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
You saw EY2 get picked off by MIL's RHP, right?
Vargas. If he calms down and stays put when he can’t get a read, he’ll still be a good PR. I’d also rather see him PH’ing than Q.
Leave Dexter alone! You're lucky he even performs for you!
by FooMan on Oct 6, 2009 11:58 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
EY2
This years Seth Smith?
"We made too many wrong mistakes." ~Yogi Berra
"The ballplayer who loses his head, who can't keep his cool, is worse than no ballplayer at all." ~Lou Gehrig
JFK
by jrockies on Oct 6, 2009 6:56 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
he's going to strike out to end the world series?
haha, j/k, that was low
by Jim Jiminez on Oct 6, 2009 7:17 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
boooooooooooooooo
booooooooooooooooooo
booooooooooo
boooooooooooooooooo
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 6, 2009 7:59 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
At least we'll have made the World Series...
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by Jeff Aberle on Oct 6, 2009 9:02 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I feel sad for Q...and Fogg....
Dear Rockies - Thank you for proving John Kruk is a pertinacious nincompoop.
Troy Tulowitzki - THE best SS in the game..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba - En Fuego
Brad Hawpe- Big Bad Brad is Back BABY!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, stalking the NL Pennant
by SDcat09 on Oct 6, 2009 5:22 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Miguel Cabrera
finally decided to put down the booze and start playing again…Double and a 2 run shot now…3-0 Tigers
we seem to have gotten over that HURDLE
ROCKTOBER HAS BEGUN!
by TuLoRocks2008 on Oct 6, 2009 3:50 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Totally off topic....
Could someone that lives in colo.spgs. please tell me when the pregame will be on tomorrow. I get fsrm on dish , but the schedule doesn’t show it. I think I remember during the last game on sunday , Tracy said that they would be on for both the pregame and postgame . I know the game will be on TBS. Any help would be much appreciated because I don’t want to miss a minute !!
by butterfly on Oct 6, 2009 4:13 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
My DirectTV on-screen guide
shows a pre-game show at 12:00 noon on Fox Sports RM.
by ddavis539 on Oct 6, 2009 4:50 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I really think people are underestimating how good Cook's been since he's been back
Seriously, when he’s on, Cook is the perfect #2 pitcher, and if DLR had been pitching this series, I don’t think most people could even give the Phillies a shot. I’m looking for some great pitching this week. Rox in 4?
Impossible not to have positive thoughts.
I want Sam Deduno to pitch already.
by bballrox4717 on Oct 6, 2009 4:15 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
No Sweep!!!
I only have tickets to game 3
What if the hokey pokey is what it is all about after all????
by FlyAway on Oct 6, 2009 4:17 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
ummmm
Home game 3? cause that one won’t be played, as this series will be 2-2-1 with only 2 games in Coors. Home game 1 or game 3 overall, will be played as you can’t sweep a 5 game series in 2 games.
It’s a best 3 out of 5 series.
by Redhawk on Oct 6, 2009 5:18 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
bballrox4717 said Rox in 4. I want it to end in 3 because that is the game I have tickets to. (home game 1) So win Wednesday and Thursday then come to Denver up 2-0 and finish the sweep in game 3. Maybe I should have posted it more like this.
Sweep it Rockies because I only have tickets to game 3. (home game number 1)
What if the hokey pokey is what it is all about after all????
by FlyAway on Oct 6, 2009 8:30 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
a comma between “no” and “sweep” might have helped clarify. It certainly looked like you were rooting against a sweep.
Further don’t you have any compasion for those faithful Rockies fans with tickets to game 4? You would get to see the clinch, but they wouldn’t get to see anything. Now, I won’t ever root against the Rox, and going to 4 games means they would have had to lose so in that way it is bad, but…
"It is a mistake to look too far ahead. Only one link of the chain of destiny can be handled at a time." ~W. Churchill
by Rock Oax on Oct 6, 2009 8:41 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
11-0 starting tomorow is what i'm hoping for
"I've never known a man worth his salt who in the long run, deep down in his heart, didn't appreciate the grind, the discipline... I firmly believe that any man's finest hour - this greatest fulfillment to all he holds dear is that moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle, victorious." - Vince Lombardi
by nodakroxfan on Oct 7, 2009 1:21 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hate to miss the game thread tomorrow, but
I’ll be returning from a business trip with about 1 hr left in the game. Rather than miss most of it, I plan to record it, avoid looking at any TV or listening to any radio until I’m home & can play it back from the first. Getting on the Row for the end would ruin the surprise, so I have to stay away tomorrow.
But I’m planning to take off early Thurs. & participate.
Hope the game thread & all 5 overflow threads are fun as the Rockies grab the first game.
No records in the last 10 years should count.
by Maris6161 on Oct 6, 2009 4:23 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Question
Is 12:37pm the time of the actual first pitch? Or will it be later. I’m trying to figure out when to fit in running out to grab lunch (which I will then bring back and eat at my desk while I listen).
by holly96 on Oct 6, 2009 4:45 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Typically, that represents the time of first pitch
Watching the purple row from high atop the big brown monolith on California Ave
by Mondogarage on Oct 6, 2009 5:32 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
It should start at 37 past the hour
TBS won’t mess around too much because they want to get to the Yankee game at 6 (well 4 for you)
Batters who walk to first usually come running home.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 6, 2009 7:29 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
3 starters?
Have any of those guys started on short rest before?
"Every hitter likes fastballs just like everybody likes ice cream. But you don't like it when someone's stuffing it into you by the gallon. That's how you feel when Ubaldo is throwing fastballs by you."
by The Lodo Magic Man on Oct 6, 2009 5:28 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
2 things here
1. If all the games go off as scheduled Tracy hinted that he would go with Marquis for the fourth. If not Marquis then probably contreras. The only onther coice is Jimenez on short rest, but I think Tracy would make that choice only in desperation.
2. It seems increasingly unlikely that all the games will go as scheduled. It looks like temps in the thirties with rain/snow for game time Sat and again Sun. Any delay would mean that Ubaldo could pitch on normal rest.
"It is a mistake to look too far ahead. Only one link of the chain of destiny can be handled at a time." ~W. Churchill
by Rock Oax on Oct 6, 2009 8:45 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just a hunch....
If the Rox take this series, I would not be the least bit surprised if Jose Contreras somehow plays a major role. He’s really impressed me since coming over.
by BroJB on Oct 6, 2009 6:42 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
KOA suggested yesterday
that Contreras would get the Game 4 start. The plot thickens.
Happiness is October baseball
by Rawktober on Oct 7, 2009 7:00 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
hmm i cant sleep its like 215 here
so my take is that I just got done watching one of the greatest regular season baseball games ever and I’m so excited for tomorow that I had to come say hello…I’ll have to watch from my isys class for about a half hour before I can get home to catch it on tv. I like the lineup for game 1 SHUT EM DOWN UBALL!
"I've never known a man worth his salt who in the long run, deep down in his heart, didn't appreciate the grind, the discipline... I firmly believe that any man's finest hour - this greatest fulfillment to all he holds dear is that moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle, victorious." - Vince Lombardi
by nodakroxfan on Oct 7, 2009 1:18 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Does Tracy like B's better than F's?
Being in Chicago, I don’t get enough opportunities to watch my Rox, so forgive the stupid question, if it is one, but why go with Belisle and Beimel instead of Fogg and Flores?
Comparing Righties, Fogg has a better ERA & WHIP and has pitched more innings, although he is prone to giving up a walk or 5. Plus, he’s the veteran with postseason experience.
Looking Left, Flores has a better WHIP, knows how to get the strike out when needed, and rarely gives up a walk. He also has more playoff experience than Beimel.
I know all we’re talking about the back end of the bullpen, but I’m still curious to get the reasoning from someone who knows more than I do.
Thanks!
by NugsRoxHusker on Oct 7, 2009 8:02 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Good question
and here is my short answer:
Fogg is older and while he may have a little more experience Belisle has better raw stuff. He can run the ball up to 95 and sits around 92 consistently. Fogg tops out at about 87. Belisle has been used a little bit more lately and has shown the ability to get important outs while Fogg has been sitting in the bullpen. The reason Fogg has more innings and better stats than Belisle is he was up with the club longer. If you remember Belisle struggled at the beginning of the year and thus hurt his statistics while he has been great lately. Fogg was a mop-up guy all season.
As for Flores and Beimel it’s simple. Beimel has the experience and the ability. He has better raw stuff and has been pitching in tough situations all season, both with the Rox and Nats. Flores hasn’t shown the consistency to pitch in big games and was relegated to mop-up duty similar to Fogg shortly after he got to the majors.
The situations that both pitchers selected pitched in are the reasons they are on the roster. They both pitched well in late-inning-pressure situations while their counterparts did not.
"We made too many wrong mistakes." ~Yogi Berra
"The ballplayer who loses his head, who can't keep his cool, is worse than no ballplayer at all." ~Lou Gehrig
JFK
by jrockies on Oct 7, 2009 8:22 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks J
I appreciate it! I follow the game summary and box scores every morning, but I guess I didn’t look at the situations. I can see that Belisle has been the better pitcher as of late. I hope Fogg takes it in stride and can still provide the attitude and presence for the bullpen, as I think they’ll be playing a big role in this series. I’m not anticipating any blowouts.
by NugsRoxHusker on Oct 7, 2009 8:36 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

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