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Wednesday Rockpile: More notes from Chicago

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The notes from Patrick Saunders at the Denver Post this morning indicates that the delays to the expected announcement of contract extensions for Dan O'Dowd and Jim Tracy are due to some fine points in the deals still being worked out, but both still seem like locks to return. Meanwhile, other notes from the column include:

  • O'Dowd also makes note of the distinction between listening to offers for a player like Brad Hawpe and actually trying to move him.
  • Eric Young Jr. is playing several positions in winter ball to become a versatile super utility player for the Rockies next season.
  • With no leverage, it will be difficult to trade Garrett Atkins before the non-tender deadline, but O'Dowd is exploring that possibility.
  • While the club would prefer to sign Clint Barmes and Huston Street to two year deals, they'll go to one year if they have to. 

While O'Dowd will be staying, there will be some front office movement. Manager of Baseball Operations Matt Vinnola has jumped ship to join the Texas Rangers organization, where he rejoins Thad Levine and Jon Daniels and becomes that team's Director of Baseball Operations. Vinnola had been in the Rockies organization for 12 years. No word yet on who will replace him for the Rockies, but it's a pretty significant post.

The GM Meetings always have more buzz than actual moves going down as GM's get a sense of where everybody else stands and only start laying the groundwork for deals that come later. What does get revealed is a bit of the strategy, so for the NL West thus far we see the following:

 

  1. Only the Giants are adding payroll, to the $90 million range. Arizona appears to be angling for a small reduction and the other three teams seem to be trying to keep the status quo. San Fran's $90 million limit would make adding a top tier free agent difficult, but they might get better bang for their money by adding two or three second tier guys anyway.
  2. The Diamondbacks aren't going to spend on starters, but might on relievers this season and have an interest in the Rockies Rafael Betancourt if we're unable to retain him.
  3. Los Angeles is looking to trade for young starters like Detroit's Edwin Jackson.  Adding Jackson to Kershaw and Billingsley would make the Dodgers rotation younger, which they probably need to keep up with Colorado and San Francisco after 2010. I don't see the Tigers going for a George Sherrill for Jackson swap, even if the dollars work out, just because the added marginal value of a young cost controlled starter is so much higher than it is for a reliever and the Tigers know this.

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Gold Gloves have posted

nope, no Rockies, no Utley

Hope got in my eyes

by Andrew Martin on Nov 11, 2009 11:18 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

Where are you seeing them?

All I can find is an article on DP that says no Rockies, but no list of the actual winners. It sounds like the official announcement won’t be for another hour.

by holly96 on Nov 11, 2009 12:00 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe DP article has been updated

A look at the 2009 Gold Glove Team
1B Adrian Gonzalez, Padres
2B Orlando Hudson, Dodgers
SS Jimmy Rollins, Phillies
3B Ryan Zimmerman, Nationals
C Yadier Molina, Cardinals
P Adam Wainwright, St. Louis
OF Michael Bourn, Houston
OF Matt Kemp, Dodgers
OF Shane Victorino, Phillies

Gladly sharing a name with Dexter Fowler!

by ShadowPenguin on Nov 11, 2009 1:29 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Victorino? Really?

AGon over Helton…jawdropping really…Helton had 3 errors all season according to the article in the DP. I made a fanshot but maybe I should remove it.

Dear Rockies - Thank you for a wonderful rollercoaster of a season! NL Wild Card Champs. Best turnaround in MLB history for a team to win the Wild Card. Can't wait to do it again next year!

Troy Tulowitzki - MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba - Re-sign!! he's en Fuego!!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!

by SDcat09 on Nov 11, 2009 2:54 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Errors are really not the best measure of a good fielder.

But I agree Helton would have deserved it over AGon, but I would have been okay with Pujols, too.

by holly96 on Nov 11, 2009 3:17 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

I could have lived with Pujols as well

Dear Rockies - Thank you for a wonderful rollercoaster of a season! NL Wild Card Champs. Best turnaround in MLB history for a team to win the Wild Card. Can't wait to do it again next year!

Troy Tulowitzki - MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba - Re-sign!! he's en Fuego!!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!

by SDcat09 on Nov 11, 2009 3:19 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Pujols was the best choice

At least in my opinion. Frankly it’s a little shocking that he didn’t win, considering he’s the best player in baseball right now, and the gold glove is little more than a popularity contest.

by controlled_slide on Nov 11, 2009 3:49 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

You mean to Say Brad Hawpe didn't get a Gold Glove????/

I am shocked.

The Future:

Smith LF
Fowler CF
CarGo RF

by wolf213 on Nov 11, 2009 4:26 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Jimmy Rollins... again?

what.the.hell.

I am the Knight Silverblood, chivalrously protecting right-minded people from the dangers of delusioned Yankees fans everywhere.

by Silverblood on Nov 11, 2009 4:47 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

I know

I don’t care

I am the Knight Silverblood, chivalrously protecting right-minded people from the dangers of delusioned Yankees fans everywhere.

by Silverblood on Nov 11, 2009 4:48 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Tulo and Helton robbed again

Why am I not surprised (but still pissed)

I am the Knight Silverblood, chivalrously protecting right-minded people from the dangers of delusioned Yankees fans everywhere.

by Silverblood on Nov 11, 2009 4:51 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

That how I feel

Is there a word for that?

I wonder if Bud Selig will give the Yankees a receipt with their World Series purchase

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 11, 2009 5:00 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe.....

But Tulo makes a lot more high risk plays to get an out. Plays that Rollins can never do. This popularity contest on Gold Gloves is pathetic really, and it is more about offensive performance than actual defense.

by Colsportsfan on Nov 11, 2009 4:57 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Except Rollins was mediocre with the bat this year

It’s really just a “who won it last year?…yeah, guess I’ll vote for them again” contest.

Gladly sharing a name with Dexter Fowler!

by ShadowPenguin on Nov 11, 2009 6:06 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

yeah i don't agree with this

Rollins is no slouch. By any stretch. Which makes DHing him for Jeter at the WBC that much more of a laugher.

Hope got in my eyes

by Andrew Martin on Nov 12, 2009 6:51 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

He also has one of the biggest mouths in baseball

I wonder if Bud Selig will give the Yankees a receipt with their World Series purchase

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 11, 2009 4:59 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

The only person that makes sense on here....

is Molina. The other choices are pathetic just a freakin popularity contest. Rollins AGAIN?!!!! Give me a break.

by Colsportsfan on Nov 11, 2009 4:59 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

There are a couple others that aren't a result of a popularity contest.

Zimmerman, for one, and whether or not he’s the right choice, I don’t think Bourn is all that high profile.

by holly96 on Nov 11, 2009 5:19 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Bourn was a good choice..

and so was Kemp. They were both ranked highly in different defensive areas.

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by Charlie77 on Nov 12, 2009 1:13 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Please, please tell me Zimmermann got a gold glove

Impossible not to have positive thoughts.

I want Sam Deduno to pitch already.

by bballrox4717 on Nov 11, 2009 12:08 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

yes

Hope got in my eyes

by Andrew Martin on Nov 11, 2009 12:26 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Gold Glove is for good defense, right?

Tulo should’ve made it.

"I always believe there's a reason why you go through everything." -John Elway

by LACK on Nov 11, 2009 12:12 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

I wonder if it was close

I wonder if Bud Selig will give the Yankees a receipt with their World Series purchase

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 11, 2009 3:31 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

According to

This article, Barmes got absolutely no love at 2B. Did he deserve it over Utley? Maybe. But not even in the top 7? With his numbers? Preposterous.

by controlled_slide on Nov 11, 2009 3:52 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

They should be both signed to contract with low base salaries...

…But huge bonuses for each milestone they achieve.

Like $500,000 for winning 90+ games
Another $500,000 for winning each playoff series.
And like $1 million for winning the World Series.

"I always believe there's a reason why you go through everything." -John Elway

by LACK on Nov 11, 2009 12:11 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

Gold Gloves such a BS award w/e

we seem to have gotten over that HURDLE

thanks for a great season Rockies!

LETS GO WINGS!

by TuLoRocks2008 on Nov 11, 2009 2:26 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

I'm so pissed about this I can't even begin to tell you

UN BELIEVABLE!!! argggghhhhh

Dear Rockies - Thank you for a wonderful rollercoaster of a season! NL Wild Card Champs. Best turnaround in MLB history for a team to win the Wild Card. Can't wait to do it again next year!

Troy Tulowitzki - MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba - Re-sign!! he's en Fuego!!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!

by SDcat09 on Nov 11, 2009 2:55 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

yeah i just dont care anymore

i got more pissed off about 2007 but its just a popularity contest like starters in an All Star game…Neyer’s article is awesome and points out all the flaws in GG voting lol

we seem to have gotten over that HURDLE

thanks for a great season Rockies!

LETS GO WINGS!

by TuLoRocks2008 on Nov 11, 2009 3:00 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

At least there are a few 1st time winners on there.

Even if they’re still not the right ones, it’s better than voting for all the incumbents.

by holly96 on Nov 11, 2009 3:19 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Kouzmanoff would've been a good choice too

Dear Rockies - Thank you for a wonderful rollercoaster of a season! NL Wild Card Champs. Best turnaround in MLB history for a team to win the Wild Card. Can't wait to do it again next year!

Troy Tulowitzki - MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba - Re-sign!! he's en Fuego!!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!

by SDcat09 on Nov 11, 2009 3:25 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed.

Although we’ll have to wait and see if it’s a blip or actual progress.

by holly96 on Nov 11, 2009 3:25 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

It's a blip

Jeter winning in the AL is what I can regression

I wonder if Bud Selig will give the Yankees a receipt with their World Series purchase

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 11, 2009 3:30 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

He only got it because David Wright's HR total dropped from 33 to 10

I wonder if Bud Selig will give the Yankees a receipt with their World Series purchase

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 11, 2009 3:29 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

I figured we would be left out.

Didn’t get my hopes up.

140+ long days till we meet again...

by prettyinpurple on Nov 11, 2009 3:26 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

No expectations = No disappointments

I wonder if Bud Selig will give the Yankees a receipt with their World Series purchase

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 11, 2009 3:31 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

yep

140+ long days till we meet again...

by prettyinpurple on Nov 11, 2009 3:36 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

that was my reaction two years ago

That taught me to expect this. Now its more of a disappointed shrug

"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein

by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 11, 2009 6:16 PM MST via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

Rollins can have his GGs

They aren’t what’s important; the wins Tulo gives us are

Winners never quit, and quitters never win. But if you never quit *and* never win, you are an idiot

by squalene203 on Nov 11, 2009 3:33 PM MST reply actions   1 recs

That's right! Amen!

140+ long days till we meet again...

by prettyinpurple on Nov 11, 2009 3:36 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

That's kind of how I feel.

Plus, maybe he plays with a chip on his shoulder now. Although it’s hard to see how he could get better at fielding.

by controlled_slide on Nov 11, 2009 3:53 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Stupid Gold Glove Awards!!!

My Yankee fan suitemate now thinks he has proof that Jeter is a better fielder than Tulo

I wonder if Bud Selig will give the Yankees a receipt with their World Series purchase

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 11, 2009 4:21 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

Your suitemate is a Yankees fan

it’s clear he’s already on crack. That just confirms it.

I am the Knight Silverblood, chivalrously protecting right-minded people from the dangers of delusioned Yankees fans everywhere.

by Silverblood on Nov 11, 2009 4:48 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Only one of them, thank God

There is one Yankee, one Met, and two Red Sox fans in my dorm. Oh and one who dosn’t really care about baseball too much.

I wonder if Bud Selig will give the Yankees a receipt with their World Series purchase

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 11, 2009 5:06 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Thats hard

the only thing that I can think would make that living situation worse is a cubs fan

The Future:

Smith LF
Fowler CF
CarGo RF

by wolf213 on Nov 11, 2009 5:10 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

One of the Red Sox fans acts like a Cubs fan

Watches many of the games half drunk, believes the whole world is out to screw the Red Sox, thinks he has it tough because the Yankees are in his division….ect

I wonder if Bud Selig will give the Yankees a receipt with their World Series purchase

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 11, 2009 5:18 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

you're like a sitcom

Winners never quit, and quitters never win. But if you never quit *and* never win, you are an idiot

by squalene203 on Nov 11, 2009 5:11 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

It could be

especially during the first round of the playoffs.

The cool thing about that though was that everyone rooted for the Rockies

I wonder if Bud Selig will give the Yankees a receipt with their World Series purchase

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 11, 2009 5:21 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

that is cool.

140+ long days till we meet again...

by prettyinpurple on Nov 11, 2009 5:54 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Wow

you have my sympathy.

I am the Knight Silverblood, chivalrously protecting right-minded people from the dangers of delusioned Yankees fans everywhere.

by Silverblood on Nov 11, 2009 5:15 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Instead of Two And A Half Men, it would be titled (based on team fandom)

Two yobbos, One Arrogant Prat, One Delusional, and a Rational Rockies Fan

Or something.

Watching the purple row from high atop the big brown monolith on California Ave

by Mondogarage on Nov 11, 2009 5:20 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

hehe

140+ long days till we meet again...

by prettyinpurple on Nov 11, 2009 5:54 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Thats why I hang out here so much

I need to talk to fans who actually know what they are talking about. Although I do have to admit that one of the Red Sox fans is in all honesty a good and knowledgeable fan.

I wonder if Bud Selig will give the Yankees a receipt with their World Series purchase

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 11, 2009 5:25 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Are any of them at least from the cities their teams are in?

Even if annoying, I tend to be more forgiving of fans who grew up fans of their team because that’s where they’re from, rather than having just jumped on the bandwagon at some point (I assume that’s not the case for the Mets fan, but for the others…).

by holly96 on Nov 11, 2009 5:23 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly

I don’t mind the Cubs fans that actually live in Chica…. wait I take that back. Nevermind.

The Future:

Smith LF
Fowler CF
CarGo RF

by wolf213 on Nov 11, 2009 5:26 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

No they all root for their local teams

Yankee fan is from western Connecticut, Mets fan is from New Jersy, and the two Red Sox fans are from Massachusetts and Rhode Island. I’m actually the one who gets nailed for rooting for a team that’s not local.

I wonder if Bud Selig will give the Yankees a receipt with their World Series purchase

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 11, 2009 5:29 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Hang in there, man!

140+ long days till we meet again...

by prettyinpurple on Nov 11, 2009 5:53 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

burn it down

only option

Hope got in my eyes

by Andrew Martin on Nov 12, 2009 6:52 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Saunders also notes that Phillips will be DFA'd again to make room on the 40 man...

I doubt he’ll get claimed though (he’s been DFA’d double digit times now).

Eschew Obfuscation!

by Jeff Aberle on Nov 11, 2009 4:25 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

Dodgers keep up with the Rockies and Giants??

not sure what you mean by that comment. Are you talking about starting rotations? From a Dodgers perspective, they have 3 pretty decent pitching prospects in their farm system-Chris Withrow, Ethan Martin and 2009 draft pick Aaron Miller. Miller could be up with the team in 2010 at some point. The earliest Withrow will make it would be 2011, and Martin 2011-2012 timeframe.
I am sure LA will have to give up more than Sherrill to get Jackson back, but Detroit is looking to dump payroll especially with the news that Granderson is available via trade.

raygu

by Ray Guilfoyle on Nov 11, 2009 6:02 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

Withrow, Martin and Miller...

Thanks for illustrating my point. Unless you think that Clayton Kershaw’s rise is normal, counting on three guys that will be 22 or younger on opening day next year, only one of which has played at the AA level (and no better than at a mediocre performance level there) to add significant help to your rotation next season, or even the season after that, smacks of a small market mindset. I’m not saying that these pitchers won’t be good someday, but your time frames show the kind of desperation for talent that we had as Rockies fans a few years ago. You need to fill out the quality of your 23-26 year old age range (the players we expect to peak in the next four seasons) and give these younger players time to develop.

by Rox Girl on Nov 11, 2009 6:46 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

2010?

never said 2010. did you read my post???
like I said in a previous thread, the Dodgers have Billz, Kershaw and Kuroda in the rotation next year, so they need two SPs to fill their rotation for 2010. I never said Miller would be in the rotation. To repeat, Withrow-2011 at the earliest, and Martin-2011-2012 at the earliest…NOT 2010.
There is talk that LA may go after Lackey and would not be surprised they get involved in the Halladay talks. They would become the #1 in LA for 2010 obviously. But both Billz and Kershaw have ace potential. Kershaw may reach it sooner than Billz.
What makes you think Kershaw’s rise is abnormal? He may not repeat his HR/FB%, but should he control the walks, he will be downright dominant. He already limits hitters to very low AVG/OBP/SLG, especially lefties. I don’t have the figures off the top of my head, but they were dominant.

raygu

by Ray Guilfoyle on Nov 11, 2009 6:56 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

"Miller could be up with the team in 2010 at some point"

You’re right, you never said rotation, but you need to calm down so we can both try to get to what each other is saying here, as I think you’re going off target when you bring Kuroda into a conversation about young pitching that will be peaking in the next few years.

As another instance of where you misread what I write, you don’t think Kershaw’s rise was abnormal? Do you know of other 21 year old left handers that perform at the MLB level like that? It’s absolutely abnormal and you’re not going to convince anybody that it’s not. Most pitchers don’t perform at that level that fast, and expecting anybody (namely Withrow or Martin or Miller) else to would be foolhardy.

by Rox Girl on Nov 11, 2009 7:04 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

I am calm

just trying to find out what you meant. The written word is sometimes taken the wrong way.
My point was Kershaw can improve from his 2009 performance as he issues a high number of walks. He dominates left-handed hitters and I expect that to continue. His HR/FB% is pretty darn low, and I don’t expect that to stay low.
How is my argument that I don’t think Kershaw’s rise was abnormal an instance where I misread you? I was just asking a question, and arguing my point….that’s is all.
Maybe Kershaw isn’t like most pitchers?? I know I am not the only one who thinks that.
He has the talent to put up a Hamels 2008 type year.
I never said Martin, Miller and Withrow would pitch at the level Kershaw pitched in 2009, just that they could be up with the big league team over the next 2-3 years.

raygu

by Ray Guilfoyle on Nov 12, 2009 7:31 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

You did misread my point. It's not about Kershaw. It's that these pitchers would most likely not be able to duplicate Kershaw's

contribution to the MLB team in the next 2-3 years, so even though they could be in the bigs, they likely won’t be adding that much real value over average until 2013. Plus, because they are still so far away from an MLB level of performance, attrition is more likely. The averages would suggest that one’s going to flame out before or at their MLB arrival, one will be moved permanently to the bullpen and one will make it as a starter.

Now, once again, I know you didn’t say that these guys would perform at a high caliber over the next few seasons, but when I talk in the original post about your team looking for young MLB starters like Edwin Jackson to keep up with the Rockies and Giants, both of which figure to have four starters between the ages of 25-30, or where we would look for players peaking, this is what I’m talking about. Withrow, Martin and Miller don’t help you there. Christian Friedrich, Jhoulys Chacin and Tyler Matzek aren’t likely to provide much help to the Rockies in this period, either, but they do help like your trio in the period that will follow. What I’m talking about with the post is the near term horizon.

I’m very high on Kershaw, and eye him in the same way I do Tim Lincecum. With him, you definitely seem to have one young pitcher that will be performing at a high, near peak level over the next two or three seasons even if he’s years away from what we would typically consider a player’s peak. If I give you the benefit of the doubt on Billingsley, and right now I’m inclined to do so, as I think he’ll bounce back in 2010, that gives you two. After that, you bring up Kuroda, who is going to be 35 and only pitched 118 innings last season and after that you bring up John Lackey, who is as much a member of the Red Sox and Rockies as he is the LA Dodgers.

This is all good speculation, but it isn’t really answering the original question of where you’re going to get the bulk of your quality innings pitched over the next three seasons, and that’s because right now, until they actually make some of these moves, the Dodgers don’t really have a good answer for that. It’s why your team is going after Jackson. It’s why your team would have interest in Lackey. It’s why I say you guys have to catch up with the Rockies and Giants. I’m not saying that I don’t think the Dodgers will be able to do so in some fashion, you have resources, but it is what it is right now. There’s a talent gap that needs filled.

by Rox Girl on Nov 12, 2009 8:09 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

It's fun feeling sorry for the Dodgers

"It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart." - A. Bartlett Giamatti

by Rawktober on Nov 12, 2009 8:54 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

the offseason

just started…..I am sure Colletti will sign a few free agents to fill the rotation. Another possibility is Elbert, but he hasn’t proven he can consistently throw strikes. ST will be key for him in 2010.
With that said, they are very high on Miller and I would not be surprised he could be in the rotation as early as 2011.
What do the Rockies do with JDLR as he is a FA after 2010?
Do the Rockies get a backup 3bman should Stewart not hit for a high average in 2010?
Is Barmes really worth a two year deal? I don’t think he is….sure the power is nice, but the average is a killer.
who fills the setup role should Betancourt walk?

raygu

by Ray Guilfoyle on Nov 12, 2009 9:42 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

like you say, the offseason has just started...

as you’re confident that Colletti will fill your team’s needs, I’m sure most Rockies fans are confident that O’Dowd will figure out how to fill those that we have. It’s interesting to me that both are pretty adept at knowing how and when to use the leverage that they have. Colletti does well by waiting out for the best deals on free agents like Orlando Hudson and Manny, O’Dowd’s adept at pulling in talent when rosters get crunched at the end of Spring as he did with JDLR and Jason Hammel.

I agree that Elbert could still be a possibility to add to your team’s starting depth, he’s very much like Franklin Morales over here, a lot of promise, but a lot of inconsistency to date. I don’t know about Miller yet, I like waiting for a full season of minor league work, but your team definitely has a pretty solid track record with pitchers so I can see why you’d be bullish.

To quickly(it was my intention at first, but I failed massively) try and answer some of those Rockies questions with pure speculation (just as you speculate about the free agent adds the Dodgers will get for their rotation).

First, I don’t think the Rockies move JDLR yet, but I’m not sure they try to extend him, either. He seems to be in that Brad Hawpe category of player that they’re fine holding onto but will probably jump on an enticing trade offer for. A quality pitcher that’s just a little younger would probably do the trick. The Rosenthal report that said he wants an Ollie Perez type of contract and that the Rockies were thinking about trading him was odd because it implied some backstory into his situation that we hadn’t heard before. The only two ways the first part about the Ollie Perez contract comes up is if a Rockies insider tells Rosenthal this, meaning that the Rockies had put out feelers to JDLR about a longer term contract which is news to us, or JDLR’s agent lets Rosenthal know this, and then he goes back to a Rockies inside source with this info and learns that the team is open to trading De La Rosa at that point.

If it’s his agent negotiating through the press (and I wonder if it is as a club source probably wouldn’t specify another player and just say that he’s pricing himself out of their range or something) I can tell you that there will be very little chance that he stays with the club past next season because the Rockies don’t usually respond well to that tactic.

Rosenthal then mentioned the Rockies relying on young minor league pitching stepping up, which would be a hint that they will wait until the summer to deal him, waiting to see who’s performing the best in Colorado Springs or Tulsa out of the handful of near ready pitching prospects the team has. This would also leave open a mid-season acquisition of a SP if none of those starters looks ready to be an MLB positive and the team is in contention again (as they should be).

They could wind up holding onto De La Rosa all year and taking the draft pick(s) when he walks (this could happen if he’s pitching particularly well and the Rockies are in contention all season). At that point it would be the Rockies that might need to play catch up in the young, ready to contribute pitching category if Samuel Deduno, Esmil Rogers, Chacin and others all flame out as big league options. We’ll see.

For Stewart’s backup, the club has said they’re looking for a right handed corner bat to come off the bench and he would spell Helton, Stewart and either Hawpe or Smith in the OF. The market for these players is healthy enough that they can get a Hudson like steal if they wait. I hope they don’t fill this too soon.

Barmes isn’t a huge issue. The power and defense make him a decent bargain, the club gives him a lot of credit for intangibles. I think most Rockies fans would like an upgrade, I don’t think we’re going to get one for a couple of years.

Jose Contreras fills the setup role if Betancourt walks. My guess is that the Rockies will sign at least one of the two.

by Rox Girl on Nov 12, 2009 12:37 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Just my hunch..

I don’t think we’ll see alot of changes. Hawpe and Barmes will stay. Torrealba will sign a 1 yr contract. Atkins will be back up for 1st and 3rd. EY2 will be utility. I do think that JDLR will be traded now. His groin injury is chronic…( thus the constant rearranging of certain male protection) . Contreras and Betantcourt both will stay and Francis will return and be better than ever. Just my hunches for now.

by butterfly on Nov 12, 2009 1:41 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

Butterfly, Atkins is gone

There is no way he can stay at the club. We can’t afford him. He will be non-tendered in one week’s time.

by biondino on Nov 13, 2009 5:41 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

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