Monday Rockpile: BBWAA Awards given out this week

by Russ Oates on Nov 16, 2009 6:57 AM MST in Rockpile

Renck: Rockies' strategy with Betancourt risky, yet clever - The Denver Post
Troy Renck opines that we should trust what Dan O'Dowd is doing with the Rafael Betancourt situation because the last year has shown O'Dowd to be a shrewd dealer/negotiator. The mental institute has tons of open spaces available, so it could be lonely for anyone there.

Baseball's biggest honors up for grabs | MLB.com: News
Happ, Hanson among NL ROY candidates | MLB.com: News
First up, Rookie of the Year awards. The second link examines several NL RoY candidates. Discuss the results here after the awards are announced later today.

2010 UZR Projections - Updated 11/15/09 - Beyond the Box Score
Guess who has the worst projection?

Villalona has U.S. visa revoked | MLB.com: News
San Francisco Giants prospect Angel Villalona, who was charged with killing a man in September, had his U.S. visa revoked.

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Dex's smile is very contagious, it always makes me do the same.

by Muzia on Nov 16, 2009 8:25 AM MST reply actions

It just worked on me!

by biondino on Nov 16, 2009 8:27 AM MST up reply actions

Ubaldo's is great too

I wonder if Bud Selig will give the Yankees a receipt with their World Series purchase

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 16, 2009 10:18 AM MST up reply actions

he really just looks like a nice young man, you know?

Hope got in my eyes

by Andrew Martin on Nov 16, 2009 10:25 AM MST up reply actions

Yep

He seems get it

I wonder if Bud Selig will give the Yankees a receipt with their World Series purchase

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 16, 2009 10:31 AM MST up reply actions

It's a good thing he actually seems to be one, too, from all we know of him.

He’s totally genuine. I love him.

by holly96 on Nov 16, 2009 12:15 PM MST up reply actions

I'm smiling like Dex today, because...

….Jenn is coming home on Friday. YES!!!!!

Now, let’s go trade Hawper for Timmay, and all will be right in the world.

Watching the purple row from high atop the big brown monolith on California Ave

by Mondogarage on Nov 16, 2009 11:11 AM MST up reply actions

YEEEAH BOYYEE

Hope got in my eyes

by Andrew Martin on Nov 16, 2009 11:15 AM MST up reply actions

HOME!

^5, so good to hear!

by Muzia on Nov 16, 2009 11:39 AM MST up reply actions

Home for the hollidays

That’s awesome.

I wonder if Bud Selig will give the Yankees a receipt with their World Series purchase

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 16, 2009 11:54 AM MST up reply actions

I think it's funny how often I misspell "Holiday" anymore

Hope got in my eyes

by Andrew Martin on Nov 16, 2009 11:57 AM MST up reply actions

I would like to blame it on Matt but I'm just a terrible speller in general

Spell-check saves my life.

I wonder if Bud Selig will give the Yankees a receipt with their World Series purchase

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 16, 2009 2:35 PM MST up reply actions

NOT MY FAULT

oh. you meant Holliday.

/slinks out

by Muzia on Nov 16, 2009 2:50 PM MST up reply actions

Woo!

Great news!

by holly96 on Nov 16, 2009 12:15 PM MST up reply actions

SWEET!

What great news, guy. I’m thrilled for you!

That's the true harbinger of spring, not crocuses or swallows returning to Capistrano, but the sound of a bat on a ball. ~Bill Veeck

by rockhead on Nov 16, 2009 2:23 PM MST up reply actions

Great news. Really happy for you.

People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring. ~Rogers Hornsby

by pedalpusher on Nov 16, 2009 3:32 PM MST up reply actions

Yes!!!

Good news, mondo.

Never give up, never surrender.

by Justus on Nov 16, 2009 4:46 PM MST up reply actions

This is GREAT/AMAZING/WONDERFUL NEWS!!!!!

JFK

by jrockies on Nov 18, 2009 12:18 PM MST up reply actions

UZR projections?

Yeah I’ll bank on those

/shakes head with deadpan expression

Hope got in my eyes

by Andrew Martin on Nov 16, 2009 9:15 AM MST reply actions

Doing these NLWR are making me disgruntled more with UZR

Furcal has been below average his entire career, and suddenly he’s MLB’s second best?

"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein

by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 16, 2009 9:39 AM MST up reply actions

I think the biggest problem I have with UZR is how erratic it is from year to year

If you look at guys over a 4 or 5 year period it seems much more accurate. Maybe a year’s worth of UZR is like one month of batting average; small sample size.

I wonder if Bud Selig will give the Yankees a receipt with their World Series purchase

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 16, 2009 10:22 AM MST up reply actions

its partially a sample size issue

Uzr proponents say it takes three times as many games for uzr to be accurate as batting statistics. So essentially, a three year period is as accurate (or subject to the same random fluctuations) as one offensive year. Or one season’s uzr is equivalent to two months of offense

"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein

by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 16, 2009 10:58 AM MST via mobile up reply actions

which therefore nullifies WAR's year-to-year accuracy

Hope got in my eyes

by Andrew Martin on Nov 16, 2009 11:01 AM MST up reply actions

http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/blog_article/criminals-of-war/

Hope got in my eyes

by Andrew Martin on Nov 16, 2009 11:04 AM MST up reply actions

i admit thats fairly true

reaching true accuracy is like trying to reach the end of the universe. Ill admit uzr is war’s greatest weakness, but its still decently accurate on a large scale

"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein

by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 16, 2009 11:05 AM MST via mobile up reply actions

it's not a bad metric, it's roughly the best we have

and I have no problem citing it in a general sense. I just don’t like how it’s been overused as the end-all during discussion internet-wide.

Hope got in my eyes

by Andrew Martin on Nov 16, 2009 11:12 AM MST up reply actions

I might save that link and bring it out next fall when I need a good laugh

I wonder if Bud Selig will give the Yankees a receipt with their World Series purchase

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 16, 2009 10:19 AM MST up reply actions

I guessed right on who had the worst projection :)

I wonder if Bud Selig will give the Yankees a receipt with their World Series purchase

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 16, 2009 10:23 AM MST reply actions

It seems like a lot of NL west players are getting in trouble with the law

I wonder if Bud Selig will give the Yankees a receipt with their World Series purchase

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 16, 2009 10:24 AM MST reply actions

well, they fought the law and the law won

Hope got in my eyes

by Andrew Martin on Nov 16, 2009 10:25 AM MST up reply actions

Lincecum seemed to get off pretty easy

Of course his offense was rather small

I wonder if Bud Selig will give the Yankees a receipt with their World Series purchase

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 16, 2009 10:33 AM MST up reply actions

unlike Mr. Villalona

"There are only two important things in life: baseball and breathing. But at least you can survive without breathing for 3 minutes."
www.soundclick.com/hollidayrain

by Hollidayrain on Nov 16, 2009 2:15 PM MST up reply actions

Well, killing a guy and posessing a bong are two different levels of crime...

and one probably shouldn’t even be a crime in my opinion.

by Since1993 on Nov 16, 2009 2:55 PM MST up reply actions

Not in Denver though

Tons of Law and Lawson here.

by mkorpal on Nov 16, 2009 11:38 AM MST up reply actions

West Side gotta represent!

by Muzia on Nov 16, 2009 10:31 AM MST up reply actions

DEX

makes me smile as well and thinking of this team’s future makes me smile too…GO ROX

we seem to have gotten over that HURDLE

thanks for a great season Rockies!

LETS GO WINGS!

by TuLoRocks2008 on Nov 16, 2009 11:58 AM MST reply actions

The results are in:

Andrew Bailey and Chris Coghlan are the RoY winners.

NEVER SURRENDER DREAMS

Purple Row - Covering all your Rockies needs!

by Russ Oates on Nov 16, 2009 12:36 PM MST reply actions

the fact that Coghlan was left off of 7 ballots

really speaks to the ineptitude of the BBWAA

Hope got in my eyes

by Andrew Martin on Nov 16, 2009 12:42 PM MST up reply actions

Really?

That whole pile of RoY candidates in the NL is pretty indistinguishable, and there are plenty of defensible 1-2-3 ballot combinations that don’t include Chris Coghlan.

I wouldn’t have complained if they’d just decided not to give out either award this year. Porcello and Andrus were better choices in the AL, and the NL was essentially a blind draw out of a hat.

"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the whole time." - Jim Bouton

by Franchise26 on Nov 16, 2009 1:04 PM MST up reply actions

Coghlan was a pretty massive frontrunner considering the strength of his bat

you know as well as I do that the BBWAA only looks at a position player’s bat. I don’t see how he could possibly be left off by people really getting paid to do this for a living.

Hope got in my eyes

by Andrew Martin on Nov 16, 2009 3:45 PM MST up reply actions

Did you read Will Carroll at Baseball Prospectus today?

Who actually had a vote and was one of those seven that left Coghlan off of his ballot? I can at least understand his reasoning.

by Rox Girl on Nov 16, 2009 6:27 PM MST up reply actions

I found Kahrl's

reasoning for her vote in the AL RoY Award better than Carroll’s, which comes off as wishy-washy.

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by Russ Oates on Nov 16, 2009 6:41 PM MST up reply actions

I guess I could see that too, since he seems to actually avoid mentioning Coghlan

outside of the one paragraph that says he actually won the award, which makes it seem almost like a last minute throw-in, but I guess what I’m saying is that I do believe that there are viable arguments to exclude Coghlan, particularly if somebody wants to push the award in a direction where it’s more forward looking, which would seem to me to be the real point of having a rookie of the year award in the first place. If a first year non-prospect player’s season is that special, they’ll get MVP or Cy Young recognition. Of course, Carroll’s pick of Happ over another toolsy rookie like the guy pictured above then comes into question, so you’re probably right.

by Rox Girl on Nov 16, 2009 6:56 PM MST up reply actions

I don't disagree there,

which is why I gave Dex a third-place vote in our voting here. But at the same time, if we vote based on how we believe a player can turn out that could turn out some very weird results. There’s a happy medium out there somewhere.

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by Russ Oates on Nov 16, 2009 7:06 PM MST up reply actions

agree on Kahrl

although it seems the first few paragraphs kind of undermine her own case, she says “no way Anderson’s on my ballot” and then Anderson has a decent case still. I mean come on, she’s using ERA+. If you’re going to go all SABR on it, at least show me some DER/FIP/tRA or something to back it up.

I have trouble reading BP as they use their proprietary metrics to make their cases.

Hope got in my eyes

by Andrew Martin on Nov 16, 2009 11:06 PM MST up reply actions

If you're referencing "Voting for Real"

he didn’t actually make a case for or against Coghlan, he just kind of waffled back and forth between reasons why Happ is going to be overrated moving forward, why Hanson is impressive, and why Cutch is a stud. I didn’t see any rationale why he left Coghlan off, unless we’re going to go with the Hollandsworth comp as his rationale.

He just kind of brainstormed and then poured it onto paper, I didn’t really feel he made any solid points.

Hope got in my eyes

by Andrew Martin on Nov 16, 2009 11:00 PM MST up reply actions

not to mention, the picture of him in the article

is of Cody Ross.

"There are only two important things in life: baseball and breathing. But at least you can survive without breathing for 3 minutes."
www.soundclick.com/hollidayrain

by Hollidayrain on Nov 16, 2009 2:16 PM MST up reply actions