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NL West in Review: 2nd Basemen

Introduction

Before getting to the second base rankings, I thought I would touch on a peripheral discussion on the accuracy of WAR. It is important to understand that even the WAR found at Fangraphs isn't absolute. The methodology of chosen inputs can make the final numbers vary slightly, or in some cases, drastically. The best example of this is this year's season by Ricky Nolasco, who was a 4.0 WAR pitcher from Fangraphs, but just a 1.0 WAR pitcher via Rally's historical database. The quick explanation is that Fangraphs' input is FIP, while Rally's is more based on actual runs allowed and BABIP.

In my case, I'm using Statcorner's component park factors, while Fangraphs has their own methodology for park effects. That is why some of my numbers will vary some from Fangraphs' data. For instance, I have Orlando Hudson as a 2.52 WAR second baseman, while Fangraphs has him at 2.9 WAR. Which is right? I think it's a matter of preference.

A few weeks ago, Dave Cameron wrote an article entitled WAR: It Works, which defended their methodology by finding a 0.83 correlation between a team's total WAR and final record (for comparison, Pythageorean W-L has a 0.91 correlation). So it does a decent job, but there's some understandable noise in the data.


Method

See the full methodology as explained last week. Last Monday, I omitted stolen bases and caught stealings from my value calculations. It turns out Fangraphs' positional splits are accurate to positional at-bats, and Baseball Reference's positional splits are not accurate for stolen bases and caught stealings. As it turns out, first basemen don't steal much, so that omission made practically no difference.

However, second basemen do tend employ the running game, so I did the extra legwork of utilizing ESPN.com's positional splits to extract SB/CS data. It didn't make a great deal of difference. Four teams saw their team wOBA* increase by .001, while the Rockies dropped by .001. Clint Barmes, who led all NL West 2B in caught stealings with nine, was the only prominent player to be affected, who dropped one slot in the rankings.

Read the results after the jump.

Star-divide

Results

No NL West team had complete personnel consistency at second base, but that didn't stop Arizona from far surpassing the rest of the division with some surprise production from their second-sackers.

Teams

Players

Avg

HR

RBI

OBP

SLG

wOBA*

WAR

1. Arizona

4

.298

15

49

.372

.448

.362

5.97

2. Los Angeles

6

.283

12

77

.356

.424

.347

3.19

3. Colorado

5

.231

31

98

.281

.441

.301

0.80

4. San Francisco

7

.236

17

80

.281

.329

.281

-0.26

5. San Diego

5

.246

2

58

.315

.314

.292

-1.04

 

Brendan Scolari's calculations had Arizona projected to be the weakest team at second base this season, but the other four teams fell in line as expected from there.  

Your graphical plot of the RAR for all five teams, with the positional RAR set at +2.5.

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The second base position was exceedingly interesting, in my opinion. To wit: the most valuable player was also the fifth least valuable fielder; the worst and best fielders came from the same team; the man with the third most homers was the fourth worst second baseman; and, one team had four second basemen in the top seven in the division:

 

There were 27 total second basemen, and you can view the complete rankings and data here in Google Docs. Here are the top and bottom five:

Rank

Player

Team

PA

Avg

HR

RBI

OBP

SLG

wOBA*

UZR

WAR

1

Orlando Hudson

LAD

627

.285

9

62

.359

.420

.345

-3.7

2.52

2

Felipe Lopez

AZ

375

.305

6

25

.366

.417

.351

3.8

2.25

3

Ryan Roberts

AZ

199

.303

7

16

.374

.506

.383

2.3

1.65

4

Clint Barmes

COL

551

.238

22

69

.286

.437

.301

7.0

1.60

5

Juan Uribe

SFG

131

.274

6

15

.331

.538

.380

3.5

1.25

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23

Edgar Gonzalez

SDP

54

.234

0

3

.315

.319

.289

-2.1

-0.17

24

Ian Stewart

COL

73

.235

8

26

.274

.632

.349

-7.5

-0.39

25

Luis Rodriguez

SDP

102

.200

1

7

.294

.256

.266

-4.1

-0.48

26

Emmanuel Burriss

SFG

220

.238

0

13

.292

.267

.265

-3.7

-0.53

27

Eugenio Velez

SFG

106

.198

1

8

.226

.287

.231

-4.7

-0.80

 

Arizona

2009 in Review

Felipe Lopez barely played half a season for the Snakes, but his stellar first half offensively and plus glove defensively kept him in position to finish second best in the division. Ryan Roberts had the best rate stats of any divisional player with over 100 PA (he surpassed Clint Barmes for WAR when I added the SB/CS factor), and he was joined in the top seven by Augie Ojeda and Rusty Ryal, who led the entire team in wOBA in a small sample. All four players had positive UZR scores.

 

2010 in Preview

AJ Hinch will most likely choose either a starter from the pool of Ryan Roberts, Rusty Ryal and Tony Abreu going forward into next season. It is possible that an unnamed free agent would be thrown into the picture, but I personally don't expect it. The fact that the hands down best team at 2B in 2009 has such a question mark going into 2010 with only Lopez subtracted speaks to the relative weakness of the position in the NL West.

 

Colorado

2009 in Review

Clint Barmes had a heck of an enigmatic season.  He was easily the most valuable defensive 2B and had more than twice the home runs of any other player.  However, his Ryan Howard impression was completed by having a poor average and batting average, and he led the division in caught stealings, helping Roberts to surpass him.  Ian Stewart was third in the division in home runs, but he posted the worst UZR by far, completely negating Barmes' defensive contributions, at least statistically.  Omar Quintanilla contributed enough defensively to stay out of the bottom five despite a 2-for-28 mark with the bat.

 

2010 in Preview

Rumors abound that Dan O'Dowd is going to lock Barmes down to a multi-year contract, so it appears he will have the position locked down going into spring training, though Eric Young Jr could provide a completely different toolset.

 

Los Angeles

2009 in Review

Orlando Hudson had an All-Star first half, but his defense has slipped and Ronnie Belliard (who had a strong stretch in his own right by finishing8th in just 42 PA) of all people took starts from him down the stretch. Blake DeWitt, Juan Castro and Mark Loretta provided negligible negative value.

2010 in Preview

Hudson will be a Type A free agent and probably won't be retained by the Dodgers. By trading Tony Abreu for Jon Garland, Ned Colletti gave up his best internal option for the position going forward. There's no way they go with Loretta or Castro full time, and Blake DeWitt seems to have regressed after perhaps playing over his head in 2008. Los Angeles could go with Belliard, but second base is certainly on Colletti's offseason shopping list.

 

San Diego

2009 in Review

Grit is not an input for WAR, so almost all of David Eckstein's value goes unchecked. He combined his light hitting with the second worst UZR in the division. Oscar Salazar and Chris Burke played a small role, but Luis Rodriguez and Edgar Gonzalez really hurt the team, as both were in the bottom handful both with the bat and glove. As a team, the running game was essentially non-existent, as the Padres only stole four bases from second base. All five second basemen posted negative UZR scores.

 

2010 in Preview

Kevin Towers extended Eckstein through 2010 with a $1 million deal in August, so he is unequivocally the starter going forward, especially with signs pointing towards very minimal free agent spending this offseason

 

San Francisco

2009 in Review

The position looked to be weak going into the season, and it was. Freddy Sanchez was unable to get on the field consistently after being acquired, but Juan Uribe picked up the slack by not only performing well (his wOBA* at second was just four points behind the best in the division for those with 100+ PA) but having a career season overall. Emmanuel Burriss and Eugenio Velez each got a well deserved Simon Cowell treatment for their poor auditions, and the team seemed that Kevin Frandsen is not the answer. The Giants' combined wOBA of .281 was by far the worst in the division.

2010 in Preview

As Rox Girl noted yesterday morning, the Giants signed Sanchez to a 2-year deal on Friday, paying him $6million/year, more than he's ever made in his career. On the surface, Sanchez is not much of a threat in the division, as he has regressed due to age in recent years and he dealt with a multitude of injuries of late. In 2008, he provided just $1.8million in value, and though he provided the Giants almost no value in 2009, he did have $10.1million total. And after seeing the terrible play at second and need to validate the Tim Alderson trade, it's no surprise Brian Sabean decided to go this direction. At any rate, barring injury to The Mole, the Giants will be much improved at second base in 2010.

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Great job...

though Uribe’s 2004 (3.7 WAR for the White Sox according to Sean Smith) was his career year.

Eschew Obfuscation!

by Jeff Aberle on Nov 2, 2009 1:51 PM MST reply actions  

Fangraphs gives him a better WAR in 04 as well

But I still think its debatable. His 04 season was fueled by defensive numbers at least 50% better than any year in his career, and he was more valuable easily in 09 offensively in 100 less at bats. If he were used more…

"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein

by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 2, 2009 2:07 PM MST via mobile up reply actions  

Ah, therein lies the rub. He wasn't used more...

one might say that Uribe had a career year in rate stats this year (albeit with the SSS tag), but in my mind there’s no question that he had a career year overall in 2004.

Eschew Obfuscation!

by Jeff Aberle on Nov 2, 2009 3:07 PM MST up reply actions  

its not just rate stats

His batting rar in 09 (7.9) comfortably airoased that in 04 (5.7). The only reason his WAR was better in 04 was because of defense and ABs. At least offensively, I maintain career year

"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein

by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 2, 2009 3:54 PM MST via mobile up reply actions  

This is very interesting.

From watching some DBacks games online, I was pretty impressed by their young guys (ryan roberts, gerardo parra, miguel montero esp). If webb comes back strong and they have Rockies-like luck with injuries, they could contend for the division next year.

Winners never quit, and quitters never win. But if you never quit *and* never win, you are an idiot

by squalene203 on Nov 2, 2009 2:20 PM MST reply actions  

how many games did stewart play at 2b?

i didnt remember him being there much but im guessing it was mostly in april and early may.

was he really that bad defensively? i didnt have cable until july so i was watching gamecast during that time and never got a chance to see him play 2nd. UZR isnt really reliable in that short of a sample size correct?

by purplesocks on Nov 2, 2009 2:52 PM MST reply actions  

uzr is suspect in small sample sizes, yes

And sometimes even in a whole season sample. I’m a little surprised he headed out that poorly, but he definitely looked below average to me

"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein

by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 2, 2009 5:29 PM MST via mobile up reply actions  

IF

Freddy Sanchez plays anywhere near the value of his contract, and if (I think it’s probably a given) the Dodgers obtain something close to the same level of 2B performance they got this year, then Rockies with Barmes are likely to be 4th out of 5 teams in their division in WAR from 2B. That’s just not good enough, with the level of uncertainty at 3B (Stewart) & C (Ianetta, or this year’s combo again, with Torrealba likely regressing). Good enough to contend for a wildcard spot again, maybe, but
not good enough for a division title or a return to WS, which I think should be this franchise’s goals at this point. 2B is a position where the Rockies need to upgrade,
either by giving Young a shot or through a trade. They can’t get where they need to be with Barmes returning, and re-signing him (which seems to be inevitable) is a mistake.

by 6161Maris on Nov 2, 2009 3:37 PM MST reply actions  

Be careful you might get banned :)

I'm still hoping to wake up from that nightmare I had about the 9th inning of Game 4.

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 2, 2009 4:25 PM MST up reply actions  

I agree that it would be nice to upgrade at second

but who do you think we could get in a trade?

I'm still hoping to wake up from that nightmare I had about the 9th inning of Game 4.

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 2, 2009 4:27 PM MST up reply actions  

I think Placido Polanco's contract is up in Detroit.

Would he be worth a gander?

People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring. ~Rogers Hornsby

by pedalpusher on Nov 2, 2009 4:43 PM MST up reply actions  

Is there more to your answer?

People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring. ~Rogers Hornsby

by pedalpusher on Nov 2, 2009 5:32 PM MST up reply actions  

Here is my reasoning

I was looking at him last week and I don’t think it would be a terrible idea but ultimately I would say no.

Positives: He is a career .296 hitter and an above average defender.

Negatives: He has very little power (has not hit more than 10 HR since 2004) and a career OPS of .761 (Not terrible but not really great). He is already 34 so he might regress, he would bump up the payroll, and because he is a type A free agent we would have to give up I believe a first round draft pick for him

I'm still hoping to wake up from that nightmare I had about the 9th inning of Game 4.

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 2, 2009 5:51 PM MST up reply actions  

Didn't know he was a type A F/A.

Otherwise I think he would be worth a look for a short term (2 yrs. tops) if a good contract could be negotiated.

But then again, as streaky as Barmes is, he might hit .325 with a .400 OBP. You just never know about Clint. Plus Tracy is pretty sold on him.

But the Type A deal pretty much kills it.

People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring. ~Rogers Hornsby

by pedalpusher on Nov 2, 2009 6:05 PM MST up reply actions  

Yep

I look at Barmes and say you know what we could probably improve there but there really is nobody that makes much sense for us. If people want to give EY2 a shot that’s fine but he will have to improve his defense to become to everyday second baseman. The more I look at it the more I think we are stuck with Barmes.

I'm still hoping to wake up from that nightmare I had about the 9th inning of Game 4.

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 2, 2009 6:14 PM MST up reply actions  

Which is not the worst thing in the world

I love his defense and he has pretty good power. I think we tend to downgrade him because he was so bad down the stretch

I'm still hoping to wake up from that nightmare I had about the 9th inning of Game 4.

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 2, 2009 6:16 PM MST up reply actions  

It wasn't just down the stretch that he was bad

It was the whole 2nd half of the season.

And something that’s often overlooked on Barmes — his home/road splits are awful. Road batting avg. — .207. Road OBP — .251. The road OBP is simply unacceptable.

Who’s better? I think Iwamura is. Maybe Kaz Matsui, who Houston would probably return in a salary split that wouldn’t cost the Rockies any more than they’ll pay Barmes. I wouldn’t even mind looking at Stewart at 2B during Spring Training while Darin Holcomb gets a tryout at 3rd.

I understand all about Barmes’ defense, but I just don’t think top teams sacrifice their playoff chances by carring a defense-only player. Yankees, Red Sox, Phillies, Angels … they don’t do that. Shoot, there was nothing wrong with O. Hudson’s defense, but when he stopped hitting, the Dodgers went out & got Belliard, and they won the division & got to the NlCS.

I’m an ex-Astro fan, and the same debate raged for years with Adam Everett, no. 1 SS in MLB according to the fielding bible. But he couldn’t hit a lick, and still can’t. When the Astros didn’t have enough strong hitters to carry him anymore, they let him go.

Bottom line: you have to have a power-packed rest of the lineup to carry a defense-only player with an OBP as low as Barmes. If we knew Stewart would hit .270 with 30 HR’s, and Ianetta would do .260/25, I’d say, yes, it’s OK to make do with Barmes. But if they’re not at those levels, Barmes is going to limit how far the Rockies can go.

No records in the last 10 years should count.

by Maris6161 on Nov 2, 2009 6:47 PM MST up reply actions  

I don't think they are worth chasing

Barmes’s OPS: .734
Iwamura’s OPS: .745
Matsui’s OPS: .659

Barmes was actually better than Matsui and compareable to Iwamura offensivly because neither one of them have any power at all. I think it would be a huge mistake to bring Matsui back. As far as Iwamura, he is coming off an injury and you don’t know how he will perform. Iwamura has an option next year so getting him out of Tampa will require giving up prospects if Tampa picks it up. Not worth it in my opinion.

Barmes is a better offensive player than Everett was when he was with Houston; and as far as team’s like the Red Sox and Yankees not having defensive only guys, the Yankees had Scott Brosius on their team from 1998 through 2001 when they made it to four strait World Series and the Red Sox brought in Orlando Cabrera at short just for his defense when they won it in 2004. Even this year the Red Sox brought in Alex Gonzalez just for defense.

You bring up a lot of good points about Barmes but I don’t think there is anyone that much better that we could get. There are a couple of guys who might be a little, little bit better overall, but you would have to give up prospects or draft picks to get them. I don’t think it’s worth it if you are only getting a small improvement.

I agree that Barmes’s offensive numbers are a problem, but I don’t think there is good replacement for it.

I'm still hoping to wake up from that nightmare I had about the 9th inning of Game 4.

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 2, 2009 11:10 PM MST up reply actions   1 recs

carring a defense-only player. Yankees, Red Sox, Phillies, Angels … they don’t do that.

I think you ought to be introduced to Nick Green, Alex Gonzalez, and Pedro Feliz

It’s not as if Barmes is Mike Bordick. He’s the eighth best hitter on the team and one of the best fielding 2B in the game. It doesn’t scream for a move to me. There really is no upgrade than makes a lot of sense. Unless we trade for Utley. And I wouldn’t care who we gave up

"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein

by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 3, 2009 9:35 AM MST up reply actions  

It's interesting to see how good Arizona was with three different second baseman all being in the top 6 of WAR

You don’t think of them as being that good but when you put them together I guess you get a good amount of production

I'm still hoping to wake up from that nightmare I had about the 9th inning of Game 4.

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 2, 2009 4:36 PM MST reply actions  

four in the top seven, actually

It helps that all four are solid defensively.

"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein

by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 3, 2009 8:55 AM MST via mobile up reply actions  

UZR

Who gives a flying one, Ian Stewart the only player in Major League History to learn a new position (2nd Base) on the job……………….give him a break, give me a break…………………..usr?????

by roxtalk on Nov 2, 2009 4:37 PM MST reply actions  

give him a break?

They’re just numbers. He is huge for playing a position, and is new at it as well. One would expect he doesn’t play the position well. By eye test or uzr, he was below average. Its not criticism. It just is

"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein

by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 2, 2009 5:19 PM MST via mobile up reply actions  

The fifth most valuable 2B in MLB in 2009

behind Utley (duh), Zobrist, Pedroia, and Kinsler

"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein

by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 3, 2009 10:23 AM MST up reply actions  

well Zobrist shows up on like every WAR leaderboard

I’m pretty sure he’s top 15 among starting pitchers and 2nd overall among NL Catchers

Hope got in my eyes

by Andrew Martin on Nov 3, 2009 3:08 PM MST up reply actions  

He actually had a better fielding year than Barmes by UZR

I never thought of him as a good defensive player. Probably because he wasn’t.

"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein

by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 3, 2009 10:22 AM MST up reply actions  

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