NL West in Review: Catchers
Do not place undue trust in WAR for catchers. How much of a catcher's value do you think is in his defense? I'll give you a hint: it's a lot. FanGraphs has unfortunately yet to give an effort to quantifying this vital aspect of the game, other than with the positional adjustment. In fact, catchers should possibly be considered a separate group of players with a separate replacement level and therefore be treated as different from all other position players.
Now, given that I have ruined the legitimacy of all ensuing data, let's look at the numbers.
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Teams |
Players |
Avg |
HR |
RBI |
OBP |
SLG |
wOBA* |
WAR |
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1. Arizona |
4 |
.266 |
22 |
79 |
.352 |
.437 |
.342 |
4.09 |
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2. Colorado |
4 |
.255 |
18 |
89 |
.343 |
.415 |
.329 |
3.28 |
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3. Los Angeles |
3 |
.259 |
8 |
69 |
.342 |
.338 |
.314 |
2.46 |
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4. San Francisco |
5 |
.257 |
21 |
89 |
.280 |
.409 |
.301 |
1.72 |
|
5. San Diego |
4 |
.225 |
16 |
52 |
.293 |
.367 |
.299 |
1.56 |
The Diamondbacks rode the transformation of Montero from backup to cleanup hitter to the top of the division behind the dish. As noted above, defense is ignored in catcher WAR. With team replacement values and positional value essentially equivalent, offense is the only determining factor:
For the full rankings and team rundowns, click the words below.
As noted in the photo caption, only two of the 20 catchers (with 10+ PA) hit above the major league average wOBA.
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Rank |
Player |
Team |
PA |
GS |
Avg |
HR |
RBI |
OBP |
SLG |
wOBA* |
WAR |
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1 |
AZ |
441 |
101 |
.295 |
16 |
55 |
.353 |
.483 |
.361 |
3.12 |
|
|
2 |
LAD |
568 |
133 |
.252 |
7 |
43 |
.349 |
.333 |
.318 |
2.42 |
|
|
3 |
SFG |
505 |
120 |
.268 |
19 |
74 |
.287 |
.441 |
.313 |
1.98 |
|
|
4 |
COL |
345 |
87 |
.225 |
15 |
50 |
.340 |
.449 |
.333 |
1.85 |
|
|
5 |
COL |
242 |
61 |
.290 |
2 |
31 |
.351 |
.379 |
.328 |
1.22 |
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~ |
~ |
~ |
~ |
~ |
~ |
~ |
~ |
~ |
~ |
~ |
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14 |
SFG |
16 |
4 |
.125 |
0 |
0 |
.125 |
.125 |
.226 |
-0.03 |
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15 |
AZ |
15 |
4 |
.200 |
0 |
1 |
.200 |
.200 |
.179 |
-0.07 |
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|
16 |
LAD |
9 |
2 |
.111 |
0 |
1 |
.111 |
.111 |
.103 |
-0.09 |
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|
17 |
SDP |
17 |
5 |
.176 |
0 |
0 |
.176 |
.176 |
.160 |
-0.10 |
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|
18 |
SDP |
110 |
28 |
.178 |
2 |
8 |
.200 |
.262 |
.201 |
-0.37 |
For a the full spreadsheet of the players rankings, team rankings and raw data, check this Google Docs link.
Arizona
2009 in Review
Miguel Montero had seemingly improved from 2007 to 2008, yet the franchise still saw him as a backup prior to the season. Six months later, he finished second only to Brian McCann in wOBA amongst NL Catchers. What's more impressive than that the 26-year old left-handed hitter posted better numbers against LHP than RHP.
2010 in Preview
Chris Snyder was supposed to be the franchise's cornerstone behind the dish, as they signed him to a 3-year, $18.25mil contract last offseason, but an inconsistent year marked by injuries in addition to Montero's breakout has placed Snyder on the chopping block. The Venezuelan is eligible for an arbitration raise from his $425k 2008 salary.
Colorado
2009 in Review
Chris Iannetta was supposed to be a budding star for Colorado in 2009 - after all, he had a higher wOBA in 2008 than any MLB catcher with 300+PA. Greater than Brain McCann. Better than Joe Mauer. But any way you slice it, 2009 was a great disappointment for CDI. He trapped himself with an uppercut swing (his flyball %age was greater than 50%) and saw his batting average plummet. Yorvit Torrealba relieved him down the stretch and his bat lit fire in all the right times. Even with Iannetta's fall from grace, the duo were still one of the National League's best. Now if only they could throw out baserunners...
2010 in Preview
Iannetta will be the starter next season to begin with - even in a disappointing year, he posted the second best wOBA among NL West catchers, even considering park adjustments. Unless Torrealba takes a pay cut, he will be gone. It's doubtful the club would pursue anyone outside of recently re-signed Paul Phillips to be #20's backup, though AA catcher Michael McKenry, who was just protected from the Rule 5 draft, could take that role at some point this season.
Los Angeles
2009 in Review
Russell Martin was both the NL Silver Slugger and Gold Glover just two years ago at the age of 24. Two years later, his power has disappeared and his middle-of-the-order bat has dropped to well below league average. He didn't hit a home run until June 20 this year. His IsoP has dropped about 60 points in each of the last two years. What's the cause of this? My first guess is overuse, as he also has a notable drop in first half/second half IsoP in his career. Still, by logging 568 PA behind the dish, Martin accrued far more positional and replacement RAR than any catcher in the division, giving him a second place showing this season.
2010 in Preview
Los Angeles avoided arbitration with Martin last year by signing him to a one-year $3.5mil contract, a 780% increase from 2008. Even after by far the worst season of his career, he could earn up to $6mil in arbitration. Buster Olney has suggested that might make the Dodgers consider trading Martin in a sell-low move, but if Toronto bites for Martin in a Halladay package, it would be worth it. Unfortunately for the Dodgers, there wouldn't be much in terms of in house replacements for Martin. I doubt he will be traded, although the McCourt divorce wild card does a fair job of complicating things.
San Diego
2009 in Review
The Padres were the only team not to appear in the top five, though Nick Hundley and Henry Blanco finished sixth and seventh respectively. The two were essentially the same players offensively in 2009, with an average near .240, OBP in the .310's and slugging percentage at about .400. Eliezer Alfonzo was a complete deadweight replacement in his 107 PA though, and the team fell to the bottom of the pack.
2010 in Preview
San Diego is fine with their cheap youth movement, so the 26-year old Nick Hundley's job should be safe - he is under complete team control financially. Blanco, who I like a lot as a backup, is a free agent, as is Alfonzo.
2009 in Review
Bengie Molina was one of the worst cleanup hitters in the past half milennium. His .287 OBP is painful to see in print, and his slugging percentage didn't even best Chris Iannetta. But given the 2nd most PA in the division, he cracked the top three. Eli Whiteside had an even worse OBP in 133 PA.
2010 in Preview
The franchise hasn't been shy about suggesting the Buster Posey might start the season at AAA. With Bengie Molina expected to leave in free agency, San Francisco will have to add a catcher in free agency if they want to keep Posey's seat warm. Troy Renck wrote last night to keep an eye on Yorvit Torrealba for that role. It makes a lot of sense from both sides. However, even starting Posey Opening Day might not be a bad idea. CHONE projects him to post a .325 wOBA next season, compared to Molina's .308 performance in 2009.
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I voted Iannetta
For after we acquire Joe Mauer for Alan Johnson and Omar Quintanilla.
by WolfMarauder on Nov 23, 2009 2:21 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
I wonder if Alan Johnson reads this blog
and if so, how he feels about being the throw-in for every single theoretical trade.
by Muzia on Nov 23, 2009 3:17 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Every single JOKE theoretical trade.
by WolfMarauder on Nov 23, 2009 3:23 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Nah, every trade, no matter how serious
needs to include Alan Johnson.
by Muzia on Nov 23, 2009 3:37 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I almost put Joe Mauer as an option
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 23, 2009 3:22 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I hope
he wouldn’t be a backup though.
JFK
by jrockies on Nov 24, 2009 1:39 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
that's the joke
Hope got in my eyes
by Andrew Martin on Nov 24, 2009 5:21 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I wonder who will show more progress this year..
McKenry or Rosario?
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by Charlie77 on Nov 23, 2009 3:35 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
rosario
I don’t see much of an offensive ceiling for mike
Hope got in my eyes
by Andrew Martin on Nov 23, 2009 6:23 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
This is an enjoyable typo, PF
he had a higher wOBA in 2008 than any MLB catcher with 300+PA. Greater than Brain McCann. Better than Joe Mauer.
Cue Zombie RMN in 3…2…
by Muzia on Nov 23, 2009 3:48 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
ha, he's sleeping
Hope got in my eyes
by Andrew Martin on Nov 23, 2009 6:24 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Backup
Dayton Buller, seasoned ,played every minor league level, cheap,always a backup
he’s perfect.
by 2inonebag on Nov 23, 2009 4:02 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
So does this mean we are allowed to
discuss Torrey and CDI in the same sentence now?
/please don’t ban me
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Yorvit Torrealba - Re-sign!! he's en Fuego!!
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by SDcat09 on Nov 23, 2009 5:53 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
Heh, yeah.
Russ said so, at least until we re-sign Torrealba to a 4 year deal. Then the ban is up again. But since only CDI is currently on the roster…
by Muzia on Nov 23, 2009 5:56 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
So if we resign Torrey, and when ST starts, we can again debate?
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Yorvit Torrealba - Re-sign!! he's en Fuego!!
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Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!
by SDcat09 on Nov 23, 2009 6:06 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
err re-sign
Dear Rockies - Thank you for a wonderful rollercoaster of a season! NL Wild Card Champs. Best turnaround in MLB history for a team to win the Wild Card. Can't wait to do it again next year!
Troy Tulowitzki - MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba - Re-sign!! he's en Fuego!!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!
by SDcat09 on Nov 23, 2009 6:06 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
the issue was never the debate
it got personal. That was the issue.
Hope got in my eyes
by Andrew Martin on Nov 23, 2009 6:25 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I was joking
Dear Rockies - Thank you for a wonderful rollercoaster of a season! NL Wild Card Champs. Best turnaround in MLB history for a team to win the Wild Card. Can't wait to do it again next year!
Troy Tulowitzki - MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba - Re-sign!! he's en Fuego!!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!
by SDcat09 on Nov 23, 2009 11:16 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I still believe we have a great player in CDI
And by great I mean well above average for his position. Even with his “disappointing” 2009 he was still 3rd in the entire NL in WOBA for catchers with at least 200 PA’s.
This season was very strange for CDI and was almost like three seasons in one.
1) April and May (Before DL): Before he went on the DL CDI ’s numbers were pretty good. Sure his average was only .231 but his OPS was a solid .860; even better was that in those last 15 games before he went on the DL he was hitting .288/.362/.596. In other words he was getting hot.
2) June/July/August (After DL): I don’t know if the DL stint threw the timing of his swing off, if the injury robbed him of his power, or if he just felt extra pressure to perform because just about everyone else on the team was performing at that time, but CDI was not the same in the summer months. His average during these months was an unacceptable .212 and with a limited OBP and a major power outage, his OPS from this part of the sesaon was an anemic .702. This left the door open for Yorvit Torrealba to get the majority of the starts down the stretch and might have even been the primary cause of the Purple Row Civil War.
3) Sept/Oct: In limited action CDI seemed to become the player we all hoped he would be at the begining of the season. He caught fire and put up an insane OPS north of 1.300. (again just for 9 games but it’s still impressive) Only porblem was… Torre was more clutch and became the catcher of the moment while CDI rode the bench in the playoffs.
Anyway, CDI still had flashes of greatness in 2009 even though they were few and far between. I think he is primed for a big 2010 season. (Lots of motivation and kind of a personal hunch)
I wonder if Bud Selig will give the Yankees a receipt with their World Series purchase
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 23, 2009 10:52 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
Troy Renck seems pretty sure that just practicing and getting his head on straight will do wonders for him
I’m wondering what helped him change his approach in 2007 in AAA.
I wonder also if he needs stiff competition to keep him hitting well. It’s as if once he really lost competition for the starting job (because really, Phillips was not going to become the starter) he seemed to have lost some of that drive to be the best, and then when Yorvit got hot, Iannetta had somewhat already lost the competitive spark, and it was like he was in a maze and had hit a dead end, and had to backtrack. But the problem was, with backtracking, he wasn’t able to just work his way out of it, because we had a hotter hand in Torrealba, so it wasn’t there.
Did that rambling make any sense?
Hope got in my eyes
by Andrew Martin on Nov 23, 2009 11:37 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I think the competitive spark may have been part of it.
For me I don’t think CDI’s season can be explained with one thing. I think it was a combination of a whole bunch of problems. (High expectations, DL time, swing messed up for a little while, no battle for the starting job and then an epic battle………….ect)
but yeah, competitive spark probably played into it.
I wonder if Bud Selig will give the Yankees a receipt with their World Series purchase
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 24, 2009 12:03 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I just don't see CDI performing well when he starts...
every time he locks down the starter position he struggles, when he has to share the position as a replacement from the bench he begins to hit better. Chris is a good defender, and I believe he is unmatched at calling pitches. He is good at getting hitters off balance and getting his pitchers to pitch efficiently and quickly (he teams up with Cook very well). Maybe missing the World Classic will help him this spring.
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by Charlie77 on Nov 24, 2009 10:54 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
The only thing that changed for CDI was that he got married...
hmmm…that doesn’t bode well for Tulo…:P
Dear Rockies - Thank you for a wonderful rollercoaster of a season! NL Wild Card Champs. Best turnaround in MLB history for a team to win the Wild Card. Can't wait to do it again next year!
Troy Tulowitzki - MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba - Re-sign!! he's en Fuego!!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!
by SDcat09 on Nov 24, 2009 2:17 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
All that proves is Girls are a distraction!! :p
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by Charlie77 on Nov 24, 2009 10:55 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Mentality
After a huge season in 2008, the team thought about giving him a contract extension then chose not to. It seems to me that Iannetta needed to prove that he was worth the dough. He is possibly capable of hitting the ball further than anyone on the roster, and I suspect he tried to put the ball in the seats too much.
Two things support this: 1 – he took so many pitches this season, seemingly waiting for the perfect one to whale on or leaving it alone. 2 – his flyball percentage was ridiculously high. In fact, it was 7th highest in MLB. As he struggles continued, he seemingly did it even more.
Iannetta is a strong man. He doesn’t need to try to hit moonshots. They’ll come. If he can straighten his swing out, he can be back, but it’s a mentality of trusting your swing.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 24, 2009 3:09 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe a little ;-)
I wonder if Bud Selig will give the Yankees a receipt with their World Series purchase
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 23, 2009 11:59 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
Oops should have been a response to RMN
I wonder if Bud Selig will give the Yankees a receipt with their World Series purchase
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 23, 2009 11:59 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
That excerpt from Greenhouse
should be his thesis for a piece entitled “The root of the Purple Row Civil War”
I wonder if Bud Selig will give the Yankees a receipt with their World Series purchase
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 24, 2009 12:30 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
That could actually be a way for me to argue
that Hawpe should be retained for this awesome laser arm :)
/ducks to avoid incoming flak
Dear Rockies - Thank you for a wonderful rollercoaster of a season! NL Wild Card Champs. Best turnaround in MLB history for a team to win the Wild Card. Can't wait to do it again next year!
Troy Tulowitzki - MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba - Re-sign!! he's en Fuego!!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!
by SDcat09 on Nov 24, 2009 2:22 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

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