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Tuesday Rockpile: A visual refresh

By now you've noticed Purple Row looks a bit different. There's a bit more gray and white on the pages now, and all the boxes and widgets on the sidebars are more rounded on the edges. Headlines are now left-justified, which will take time to look correct, and they also look blah right now. The site's tagline gets buried under an ad, having previously been above. This refresh has its ups and downs, and I'd like to know what everyone here thinks.

If you find any problems with the site that may be related to the refresh, please e-mail support@sbnation.com.

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The left justification thing is weirding me out...

Almost to the point where it looks like the site has taken a step back in terms of layout/design. However, I’m sure I’ll get used to it. Some things, such as the navigation tabs at the top, look better.

Just an average guy with exceptional hair. Nothing more, nothing less.

by Bryan Kilpatrick on Nov 3, 2009 7:41 AM MST reply actions  

I agree

Most of the time when a change happens, most people aren’t happy about it. But if you’re going to make it look plainer, you’d better be sure that you have an awesome website. Like Baseball Reference awesome. In this case, since this site wasn’t plain from the beginning, this change looks much worse.

by controlled_slide on Nov 3, 2009 9:21 AM MST up reply actions  

Most of the time when a change happens, most people aren’t happy about it.

I fall in line here, but I also can’t envision liking it better eventually either like I could with, say, the Broncos uniforms

"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein

by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 3, 2009 9:37 AM MST up reply actions  

The banner is no longer a banner

It’s just floating text in the ad box

"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein

by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 3, 2009 9:40 AM MST up reply actions  

Yeah

I have AdBlock so I don’t actually see the ad, but the tagline looks extremely nondescript up there. I don’t know whether it’s any better with the ad.

by holly96 on Nov 3, 2009 11:50 AM MST up reply actions  

I'm okay with the change.

I wouldn’t call it a step back, but it’s not a step forward. A horizontal shift only, really.

by Greg Stanwood on Nov 3, 2009 10:38 AM MST up reply actions  

It'll take some getting used to

and the “less purple” appearance brings a twinge of sadness, but it won’t be any less entertaining and interesting which, in the end, is what matters.

Watching the purple row from high atop the big brown monolith on California Ave

by Mondogarage on Nov 3, 2009 7:54 AM MST reply actions  

I agree with the less purple comment

It looks too plain

I'm still hoping to wake up from that nightmare I had about the 9th inning of Game 4.

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 3, 2009 1:53 PM MST up reply actions  

I'm definitely not loving the change.

Agree with the lack of purple. Also, I don’t like that there is a plain star where the cheering fan was before. Its far more blah, IMO…

Dear Rockies - Thank you for a wonderful rollercoaster of a season! NL Wild Card Champs. Best turnaround in MLB history for a team to win the Wild Card. Can't wait to do it again next year!

Troy Tulowitzki - MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba - Re-sign!! he's en Fuego!!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!

by SDcat09 on Nov 3, 2009 8:17 PM MST up reply actions  

wow this will definitely take a bit

to get used to i was just checking the blog last night before bed and everything was normal then this morning bam hah

we seem to have gotten over that HURDLE

thanks for a great season Rockies!

LETS GO WINGS!

by TuLoRocks2008 on Nov 3, 2009 7:58 AM MST reply actions  

I like the new tag line

but it really needs to be more eyecatching…maybe bolder and purple. As long as Rowbots stay fun and entertaining..we"ll be ok. :-)

by butterfly on Nov 3, 2009 8:01 AM MST reply actions  

Agh

All this white and gray everywhere is terrible. The colors helped make each site feel like it’s own little slice of the internet. It was a small touch, but a nice one.

Also, the comments are a lot more condensed. Very uncool, guys.

I thought you knew that algebra was all razzamatazz. A Globetrotter always saves the good algebra for the final minutes.

by A.J. Haefele on Nov 3, 2009 8:06 AM MST reply actions  

They're working

on fixing the comments this morning.

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by Russ Oates on Nov 3, 2009 8:09 AM MST up reply actions  

Excellent.

That’s probably the biggest thing because everything else you can get used to, I suppose.

I thought you knew that algebra was all razzamatazz. A Globetrotter always saves the good algebra for the final minutes.

by A.J. Haefele on Nov 3, 2009 8:10 AM MST up reply actions  

Are the comments fixed?

I am not seeing the problem that people are mentioning.

Overall, kind of blah. Nothing too special that really justified changing from a design that worked.

"I clearly miscalculated how popular it would be to show Calvin urinating on a Ford logo"--Bill Watterson

by frightened inmate #2 on Nov 3, 2009 8:47 AM MST up reply actions  

Looks fine

If I were new to the site I would have no trouble at all with it. Keep it simple always.

by Curt in Florida on Nov 3, 2009 8:22 AM MST reply actions  

Very impressed with the findings of the negative WAR article

We officially sucked the least. Only the dodgers and marlins were less sucky with the bats, and the rockies were twice as good pitching wise as any other team. Thank you dlr and hammel

Of course this means we weren’t as impressive in the positive war dept, which makes sense as we don’t have a Mauer. It also means a big step up from someone like cargo puts the team in a fantastic position

"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein

by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 3, 2009 8:42 AM MST via mobile reply actions  

I don't like this at all

the article title is hidden under the site logo

Hope got in my eyes

by Andrew Martin on Nov 3, 2009 8:50 AM MST up reply actions  

That's

not how it’s supposed to look. E-mail that screen shot.

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by Russ Oates on Nov 3, 2009 8:53 AM MST up reply actions  

done

this looks terrible. It’s like when you’re on a slow connection and mlb.com loads you up in the narrowband site.

I mean, it loads better, but we sacrificed a pile of the site’s personality. We’re just another white-background website now.

Hope got in my eyes

by Andrew Martin on Nov 3, 2009 9:02 AM MST up reply actions  

Yeah

I’m not feeling the “refresh.” I sure hope this isn’t permanent.

I love Greg Reynolds. Deal with it, suckers.

by Silverblood on Nov 3, 2009 10:37 AM MST up reply actions  

Things are being discussed,

but not sure if things will change.

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by Russ Oates on Nov 3, 2009 10:39 AM MST via mobile up reply actions  

That is to say

aside from various SBnation tinkering? (Yes I did read the email, but it needs to make room in my head for important stuff like NFL scores)

I love Greg Reynolds. Deal with it, suckers.

by Silverblood on Nov 3, 2009 10:42 AM MST up reply actions  

To build traffic

as we all gather to discuss the hideous new skin, obviously

by Muzia on Nov 3, 2009 10:50 AM MST up reply actions  

I gotta say

yeah, it is pretty hideous.

I love Greg Reynolds. Deal with it, suckers.

by Silverblood on Nov 3, 2009 10:59 AM MST up reply actions  

Supposedly

to pave the way to a future redesign, improve load time and put a spoiler on the network. Probably should have tested it with us first.

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by Russ Oates on Nov 3, 2009 10:52 AM MST via mobile up reply actions  

Russ=lab rat

The oxen are slow, but the earth is patient.

by rockieprogress on Nov 3, 2009 10:54 AM MST up reply actions  

I have to agree that I hope this isn't permanent

I’m not feeling the sense of improvement.

The oxen are slow, but the earth is patient.

by rockieprogress on Nov 3, 2009 10:58 AM MST up reply actions  

Huh

Did they fix it? It doesn’t look like that for me.

by holly96 on Nov 3, 2009 11:53 AM MST up reply actions  

The thing that really bugs me

is that in my favorites tab, the purple PR went away and is now a red star. Ick.

Winners never quit, and quitters never win. But if you never quit *and* never win, you are an idiot

by squalene203 on Nov 3, 2009 8:49 AM MST reply actions  

Not for me

I use Firefox; that may be the difference

by controlled_slide on Nov 3, 2009 9:16 AM MST up reply actions  

I use firefox predominantly.

I feel like Red China took over my Rockies blog

Winners never quit, and quitters never win. But if you never quit *and* never win, you are an idiot

by squalene203 on Nov 3, 2009 10:19 AM MST up reply actions   1 recs

Just you wait

Disney will be buying SB Nation, and then lifesize Russ and Silverblood costumes will be roaming the Magic Kingdom along with Mickey Mouse and Wolverine.

Watching the purple row from high atop the big brown monolith on California Ave

by Mondogarage on Nov 3, 2009 12:21 PM MST up reply actions  

That is truly terrifying

I love Greg Reynolds. Deal with it, suckers.

by Silverblood on Nov 3, 2009 12:28 PM MST up reply actions  

Well, you do know Disney's official corporate motto, right?

“All Your Media Properties Are Belong To Us”

“For Great Profit, Take Off Every Goofy!”

Watching the purple row from high atop the big brown monolith on California Ave

by Mondogarage on Nov 3, 2009 12:30 PM MST up reply actions  

Well yes

but I was referring more to the idea of having an oversized me waltzing around Disney World with the rest of the grim parents and overstimulated children. I mean, one me is bad enough.

I love Greg Reynolds. Deal with it, suckers.

by Silverblood on Nov 3, 2009 12:48 PM MST up reply actions  

But Disney World: Shangai!

It’s coming!

The oversized you will be demanding the visitors melt their pots in backyard holes to create industrial steel, thus causing massive famine…

Never mind.

by Muzia on Nov 3, 2009 1:00 PM MST up reply actions  

I still have a PR logo under Chrome

but my blackberry has the red star

"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein

by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 3, 2009 9:36 AM MST up reply actions  

So, here's a thought I had; tell me if I'm crazy

Dexter Fowler for Chris Coghlan. I’m aware of Coghlan’s crazy BABIP this year, but I feel fine entrenching Cargo in center, and Dex’s tools aren’t really suited for a corner outfield spot. If there are reasons why this trade is ludicrous, don’t pull any punches

Winners never quit, and quitters never win. But if you never quit *and* never win, you are an idiot

by squalene203 on Nov 3, 2009 10:31 AM MST reply actions  

Challenge trades like this very rarely happen

A better way to look at this is by asking “Who says no first?” – and I’m pretty sure the Rockies would hang up faster than the Marlins would.

"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the whole time." - Jim Bouton

by Franchise26 on Nov 3, 2009 10:41 AM MST up reply actions  

l actually

think the Marlins hang up first here, personally. It’s an interesting idea though. Coghlan had a much better Rookie season at the plate. Seems that with Florida’s cost structure they’re predisposed to not trading their cost effective (non-arb eligible) players, and that they’ll go to the end of the earth to deal their more pricey guys before they trade a young guy, even if they were getting a guy with similar service time back.

by Hizilla on Nov 3, 2009 11:15 AM MST up reply actions  

Fowler's a year younger than Coghlan

and when you add that to the entire toolbox full of tools that Fowler possesses, I think Fowler’s the more valuable piece going forward.

"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the whole time." - Jim Bouton

by Franchise26 on Nov 3, 2009 11:31 AM MST up reply actions  

That may be true,

But I was thinking we would trade from a position of strength (lots of good outfielders) to address a position of weakness (second base). Plus, Coghlan is pretty versatile.

Winners never quit, and quitters never win. But if you never quit *and* never win, you are an idiot

by squalene203 on Nov 3, 2009 11:54 AM MST up reply actions  

Coghlan was also quite poor defensively in LF

Part of that is playing a new position, so I suppose he’d be intriguing at second base. But Fowler has far more upside, imo.

"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein

by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 3, 2009 11:03 AM MST up reply actions  

I like the new look, with reservations.

The old look was clunky and old-fashioned and took 20 minutes to load the front page. This is slicker and quicker, and the superficial changes will become normal very quickly. I like the headlines better now, especially.

by biondino on Nov 3, 2009 11:24 AM MST reply actions  

Basically it's the sum of the parts that are negative

Team WAR minus positive team WAR. Check out the Rockies’ team page:

Add up just the hitters with negative WAR, omitting the pitchers. EYJ (-0.3) + Baker (-0.2) + Atkins (-0.5) = -1.0. The author posted -0.9, so there’s probably a rounding error in there. Basically, it’s the total amount of play below replacement level on the team, which is why I wrote “the Rockies officially suck the least”

"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein

by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 3, 2009 12:00 PM MST up reply actions  

Indeed it is a rounding error

By checking RAR, the negative WAR would be -0.92

"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein

by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 3, 2009 12:03 PM MST up reply actions  

"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the whole time." - Jim Bouton

by Franchise26 on Nov 3, 2009 11:29 AM MST up reply actions  

(nobody is going to get this reference)

"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the whole time." - Jim Bouton

by Franchise26 on Nov 3, 2009 11:44 AM MST up reply actions  

Wha? Bam Bam! Bam Bam!

You just have to be old.

I guess this makes Bochy “Pebbles”?

Watching the purple row from high atop the big brown monolith on California Ave

by Mondogarage on Nov 3, 2009 12:22 PM MST up reply actions  

Ha ha

I was more referring to the fact that I’m not sure anybody remembers that Hensley Meulens was nicknamed “Bam-Bam”.

"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the whole time." - Jim Bouton

by Franchise26 on Nov 3, 2009 12:54 PM MST up reply actions  

Off-topic (if there is a topic today)

But is one of the PR in-house experts going to do any Fall/Winter league reports?

I’ve been trying to follow the Arizona Fall League online & it seems like other than Darin Holcomb and Matt Reynolds, who are doing OK, the other Rox participants (including H. Gomez) are having a rough time of it.

But I don’t stay on top of it that closely and was hoping someone who does would give us a report.

I did enjoy the WAR report. I translate it as, “We don’t have many clunkers.” Which is good, because we don’t seem to have much cash, either.

by 6161Maris on Nov 3, 2009 11:41 AM MST reply actions  

Jason Grey

had this to say about Gomez a couple days ago:

Hector Gomez has drawn rave reviews for everything from his bat speed to his glove to his rocket arm. However, he had only a .310 on-base percentage this season and is completely averse to drawing a walk. He is always looking for a fastball and will swing at the first one he sees close to the zone, although he has had some decent at-bats here. The tools are tantalizing, but his free-swinging ways need to be put in check a bit.

KLaw had some stuff to say in a blog post here.
And I think RG or Russ mentioned fairly recently that there would be a Pebble Report forthcoming.

I’m hoping to go to the Scorpions game on Friday. If I do, I’ll post some pictures and what not.

by Hizilla on Nov 3, 2009 11:47 AM MST up reply actions  

Shut up he's the next Hanley

"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein

by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 3, 2009 12:02 PM MST up reply actions  

oh don't say that

it’s just going to make me all sad

Hope got in my eyes

by Andrew Martin on Nov 3, 2009 3:04 PM MST up reply actions  

.310 OBP would

be an improvement for Barmey at this point. Would be pretty cool if Gomez was able to replace Barmes’ D down the road without losing anything though.

by Hizilla on Nov 3, 2009 12:12 PM MST up reply actions  

That was my thought

Only a .310 OBP at 2nd? Where do I sign!

by Muzia on Nov 3, 2009 1:04 PM MST up reply actions  

OF Fielding

I perused Fangraphs over lunch and checked the leaderboards for UZR from 2007-2009. Interesting. Carl Crawford and Randy Winn were the top two outfielders. Guess who’s third?

"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein

by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 3, 2009 12:49 PM MST reply actions  

See who's last?

He costs us about 29 defensive runs per year. I don’t think he made up for them at the plate this year.

"It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart." - A. Bartlett Giamatti

by Rawktober on Nov 3, 2009 12:57 PM MST up reply actions  

I love Hawpe to death,

But he just doesn’t make sense on the Rockies 2010 squad. Unless his intangibles are really that impressive (I don’t dismiss these things out of hand), trading him sure seems like a smart move. When the Cubs get rid of Bradley they will want to address left field right? Is there a trade there that would make sense?

Winners never quit, and quitters never win. But if you never quit *and* never win, you are an idiot

by squalene203 on Nov 3, 2009 1:04 PM MST up reply actions  

Seth Smith was ranked the highest in 2009..

with a 7.6 followed by Spilly at 4.5 and CarGo at 4.0

The Rockies are set defensively in the outfield for awhile. If you look under RZR Dexter was one of the highest ranked outfielders in plays made Out of Zone.

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by Charlie77 on Nov 4, 2009 9:06 AM MST up reply actions  

They're more reliable than you think..

Dexter is not rated very highly by UZR in two different categories. I was going to go into more detail on this, but I think I will make a fanpost about it instead.

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by Charlie77 on Nov 4, 2009 5:28 PM MST up reply actions  

Link dialog box

It now has a big red border. I don’t like it…I keep thinking I’ve caused a huge error

"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein

by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 3, 2009 12:50 PM MST reply actions  

After last night's game...

I think I have to admit I’m not quite as neutral about the WS as I pretend to be. I have a hard time just mildly wanting one team to win — generally after a few games of watching I can get quite involved. So yeah, I think I’m rooting for the Phillies. Why? Who knows. I just don’t want the Yankees to win. And I can find a few reasons to support the Phillies (fans notwithstanding), so there you go.

So , game 6 and 7 (hopefully), where will I be?

In rehearsal. (Did I fool you?) Though I would MUCH prefer to be plopped in front of the TV (which would also mean I’d still be on break, which would be fantastic).

Carlos Gonzalez is a sexy man

by Squeaky on Nov 3, 2009 1:12 PM MST reply actions  

Here's a good reason why (among others)

Today’s Wall St. Journal has a good summary of how the Yankees found their starting pitcher “fit” in Sabathia & Burnett.

First they went through the following pitchers (none of whom worked out in NY) at the following costs: Kei Igawa ($38 million), Carl Pavano ($39.95 million), Kevin Brown ($31.4 million), Javier Vasquez ($9 million), Jeff Weaver ($5.3 million). Then they turned to Sabathia & Burnet for a total of $243.5 million.

The story concludes with this paragraph: “Don’t expect the Yankees to change their ways anytime soon. ’Our scouts will continue to identify guys with big stuff,” Mr. Cashman said. ‘And we’ll continue to go after it.’"

How good a GM (or field manager) does someone have to be if they can just spend money until they get the right talent for a pennant? (And the article just goes into pitchers — not A-roid, Texeira, Matsui or Damon.) Give any of us an unlimited checkbook & we could probably eventually field a championship team.

It’s great fun to have watched Omar Minaya and Jim Hendry fail with similar “open the checkbook” approaches to building the Mets & Cubs. It would be even more fun to watch the Yankees fail, though it will take a miracle from Pedro Martinez in Game 6 for that to be possible.
Vote for Pedro!

by 6161Maris on Nov 3, 2009 2:58 PM MST up reply actions  

Great post

But don’t forget the $16.5 million they spent on Kyle Farnsworth (3 years), $21 million they spent on Jaret Wright (3 years), $31.5 million on bad Randy Johnson (2 years), and the $32 million contract they gave to Jose Contreras. That plus the five pitchers listed in 6161Maris’s post is what I call lighting money on fire.

It just fascinates me how anyone can get pleasure from watching the Yankees win. What they do takes no talent, absolutely none. If there’s a hole, plug it with money; if they screwed with that contract (which they usually do), pay another player even more money.

You said the article didn’t even get into position players, I’ll offer this stat. The Yankee starting infield alone has a higher payroll than the entire Rockies team. (Yes you read that correctly)

Do you have a link to that article?

I'm still hoping to wake up from that nightmare I had about the 9th inning of Game 4.

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 3, 2009 8:13 PM MST up reply actions  

Here's an excerpt from a Yahoo!!1!1one article about Manchester United, the Yanks of the EPL, and their desire for a new goalkeeper:

“[Akinfeev]’s likely arrival at Old Trafford rather calls into question why big teams with money even bother with youth development.

What is the point of trying to nurture British talent like Foster, Evans and Brown when you can just go out and buy somebody better?

Given the time, money and risk (Chelsea-style transfer ban, anyone?) invested in youth development by top sides, you have to ask whether all that effort is really worth it.

In any case, United’s efforts at unearthing hidden gems tends to involve splurging upwards of £10 million on utter dross like Nani."

by biondino on Nov 4, 2009 4:34 AM MST up reply actions  

I think the WSJ online is only available to paid subscribers

I get the print version. They did mention Contreras & Johnson in the article, but I’d forgotten about Wright & Farnsworth.

I’ve never been able to figure Farnsworth out. Great stuff & should be classis closer. Which is probably why so many teams have taken a chance on him. But he’s like Brad Lidge in his bad years — a high % of meltdowns — and he never hand any Brad Lidge-type good years to make up for it.

by 6161Maris on Nov 4, 2009 7:57 AM MST up reply actions  

hand = had

My typing (and proofreading) skills are deteriorating with age.

by 6161Maris on Nov 4, 2009 7:59 AM MST up reply actions  

Don't worry

You have a long way to go to get as bad as me

I'm still hoping to wake up from that nightmare I had about the 9th inning of Game 4.

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 4, 2009 12:24 PM MST up reply actions  

Some of what I'm gonna say will echo what's above so sorry if there's any repetition

The biggest problem I have with the changes is the plain look to site. Contolled_slide made a great point about baseball reference’s site looking plain and how you better have an awesome site if it’s going to be plain. What I think makes baseball reference’s look work, aside from it being an awesome site, is that the boxes of information stand out from the background. This draws your eye strait to what’s important and gives the site a sense of organization which is what you really want from a site like that.

I don’t get that sense here.

The stuff on the left and right like the fanpoasts and sections are still in that classic purple shade. With the center being so plain my attention is drawn away almost to a point where I think I should be looking at the fanposts or something other than the frontpage story when I first enter the site. I like the purple on the sides but there needs to be something that makes the stories in to center stand out more. A border, different shapes where the center and the sides meet up or even bolder colors. (Preferably purple)

It actually gets worse when you scroll down and the stuff on the right becomes the SB nation recent stories. Now instead of just the stuff on the sides looking more important, everything clashes because of the all white background. I feel like I’m on a site designed by amateurs.

I don’t just want to complain about everything in this post so I’ll expand on a couple of suggestions I made above. First of all I think there NEEDS, NEEDS, NEEDS to be some sort of border around the stories in the middle. A border always makes things look sharper and it will make the stories stand out from the stuff on the sides that already have a border. Second, put some color in the middle. A purple center for the stories and the commentswouldgive the site it’s personality back. Colors reflect moods, the ones up there right now reflect boring.

I know I’m still relitively new here so I might be out of line making these comments but I really don’t like the changes.

Anyone agree/disagree?

I'm still hoping to wake up from that nightmare I had about the 9th inning of Game 4.

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 3, 2009 2:47 PM MST reply actions  

To sort of go along with your point about the main stories needing something

the separate posts run into to each other as you scroll down. There’s nothing discerning one story from the next other than the new headline. Even something as simple as adding shading to the bar with the number of comments and recs would go a long way, I think.

by holly96 on Nov 3, 2009 3:26 PM MST up reply actions  

You don't see the faint grey lines above and below the #of comments and recs? ;-)

To add to that, check out the text under Ed Valentine’s “How about some happiness” link in the Game 5 preview widget. There are letter and numbers in there somewhere, I swear it

"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein

by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 3, 2009 3:36 PM MST up reply actions  

Also

I think you should have a poll about what people think of the changes

A) Like them

B) Not sure if I like the change but will probably get used to it

C) Don’t like the changes

Something like that

I'm still hoping to wake up from that nightmare I had about the 9th inning of Game 4.

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 3, 2009 2:49 PM MST reply actions  

IAWTC

"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein

by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 3, 2009 3:22 PM MST up reply actions  

Why would we need him anyway

we’re gonna sign Clint Barmes to a long-term contract!!!1

I love Greg Reynolds. Deal with it, suckers.

by Silverblood on Nov 3, 2009 3:46 PM MST up reply actions  

Check the comments in Poseidon's 2nd baseman thread yesterday

I'm still hoping to wake up from that nightmare I had about the 9th inning of Game 4.

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 3, 2009 4:21 PM MST up reply actions  

Oh I'm not saying Iwamura is better

I’m just bemoaning our front office’s idea of a good guy to sign long-term.

I love Greg Reynolds. Deal with it, suckers.

by Silverblood on Nov 3, 2009 4:29 PM MST up reply actions  

again

it’ll depend on how much he’s paid per year.

Hope got in my eyes

by Andrew Martin on Nov 3, 2009 4:40 PM MST up reply actions  

Are there any reports on what that deal might look like

Number of years
Salary per year

I agree with Silver in that I don’t want him long term. I just don’t think we have a better option short term.

I'm still hoping to wake up from that nightmare I had about the 9th inning of Game 4.

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 3, 2009 5:48 PM MST up reply actions  

Are there any up and coming 2nd basemen around baseball we could trade for

AA/AAA type

The closest thing we seem to have to this is Hector Gomez and we need to move him from short stop.

I'm still hoping to wake up from that nightmare I had about the 9th inning of Game 4.

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 3, 2009 5:50 PM MST up reply actions  

although it's not really fair just calling it "#budgetcutting"

Iwamura is redundant to their team anymore.

Hope got in my eyes

by Andrew Martin on Nov 3, 2009 4:40 PM MST up reply actions  

RE RMN: Trade's official

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=4620529

Oh, and apparently Plaxico Burress is not the only athlete dumb enough to shoot himself in the leg.

http://losangeles.dodgers.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20091103&content_id=7615560&vkey=news_la&fext=.jsp&c_id=la

I'm still hoping to wake up from that nightmare I had about the 9th inning of Game 4.

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 3, 2009 9:28 PM MST up reply actions  

haahahahahahahahahah

His bodyguard apparently shot him.

bwahahahahahahaha…

To all of the doubters, to all of the haters, one simple message:
We will be back! Our purple knights will be victorious once again.

by The Lodo Magic Man on Nov 3, 2009 9:55 PM MST up reply actions  

OMG that makes so.much.sense

am I a bad person for wanting it to be Manny and the leg to be the foot?

I love Greg Reynolds. Deal with it, suckers.

by Silverblood on Nov 3, 2009 9:58 PM MST up reply actions  

I don't think so

To tell you the truth I’m surprised it wasn’t Manny

I'm still hoping to wake up from that nightmare I had about the 9th inning of Game 4.

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 3, 2009 11:05 PM MST up reply actions  

I like the new look. For whatever that's worth.

People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring. ~Rogers Hornsby

by pedalpusher on Nov 3, 2009 6:42 PM MST reply actions  

I don't like the new layout.

just my $0.02

To all of the doubters, to all of the haters, one simple message:
We will be back! Our purple knights will be victorious once again.

by The Lodo Magic Man on Nov 3, 2009 7:04 PM MST reply actions  

OK everyone,

I just got back from work and there were a bunch more e-mails on the changes. Here’s something from one of the guys who headed the refresh:

feel free to talk or brainstorm with your
communities about colors – what would help? Do you want white text on
a richly colored background? Colored margins? Richer graphics in the
header that set a more unique tone for the community? There may be
simple but significant changes we can make to this new design to pull
in more color.

All suggestions are welcomed.

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by Russ Oates on Nov 3, 2009 7:23 PM MST reply actions  

Do you want us to email you with the suggestions or are the comments here suffice

I'm still hoping to wake up from that nightmare I had about the 9th inning of Game 4.

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 3, 2009 8:20 PM MST up reply actions  

Either way,

but allowing others to know what you think is helpful.

NEVER SURRENDER DREAMS

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by Russ Oates on Nov 3, 2009 8:36 PM MST up reply actions  

this

I'm still hoping to wake up from that nightmare I had about the 9th inning of Game 4.

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 3, 2009 9:32 PM MST up reply actions  

It is the *Purple* Row, after all.

I just want it to look less like some generic blogspot.com page.

Watching the purple row from high atop the big brown monolith on California Ave

by Mondogarage on Nov 4, 2009 9:49 AM MST up reply actions  

Frankly

I’d say revert. I see nothing in the update that improved the look of the site. (OK, yeah, it loads a little faster.) This new design just looks corporate. And to add my third cent, the red star needs to go. Looks like something your grade school teacher handed out for bad work.

On another note…I sure miss our Rockies. :-(

That's the true harbinger of spring, not crocuses or swallows returning to Capistrano, but the sound of a bat on a ball. ~Bill Veeck

by rockhead on Nov 3, 2009 10:12 PM MST up reply actions  

One thing I definitely don't want is white text on a color background.

That’s probably okay for sidebars/widgets, but definitely not for actual articles. I hate sites that are a really dark or bright background color. My eyes go wonky, especially when I’m switching back and forth to other tabs. Now, black text and a subtle background might be okay. But mostly I think white or off-white works best.

I could dig playing around with the main header. Something more unique/interesting for the main story headlines might be cool, too.

by holly96 on Nov 3, 2009 10:24 PM MST up reply actions  

This

Order a Rocktober t-shirt in time for the playoffs and donate to charity at:
Purple Row Cares

by Charlie77 on Nov 4, 2009 9:10 AM MST up reply actions  

Looks like Clint Hurdle found a job

as the Rangers new hitting coach

http://sports.espn.go.com/dallas/mlb/news/story?id=4620945

we seem to have gotten over that HURDLE

thanks for a great season Rockies!

LETS GO WINGS!

by TuLoRocks2008 on Nov 4, 2009 9:13 AM MST reply actions  

IMHO-Site changes- I do not approve :/

I’m not impressed with these changes at all. And this is not because “change is bad”. Bad change is bad. These are mostly bad changes.

The site just has a completely different feel to it. It’s boring. It seems like each blog is just a spinoff of SBNation with nothing unique. The banner needs to be back where it was with color on dark background. The font is better, I guess. But why on earth do you have a headline that barely looks like its bolded. It must be very strong to really be noticed.

I definitely get the sense that some developers did this to make the site more manageable on their end :) I’m pretty sure the placement of the ads at the top is why the banner was moved down. The longer your eye lingers in the vicinity of the ad. the longer your brain registers the ad. Almost subliminally. It doesn’t seem they took into consideration the aesthetic appeal that draws the reader to the page. The color backgrounds need to be reinstated.

If I’m asked in a poll, this is not an improvement at all for the reader.

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Troy Tulowitzki - MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba - Re-sign!! he's en Fuego!!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!

by SDcat09 on Nov 4, 2009 9:34 AM MST reply actions  

"It must be very strong to really be noticed."

But why? You’re already on the site – the headlines are where you’d expect them to be, and they do what they’re supposed to. On my screen the headline text is much bigger than the surrounding text so if anything it’s easier to see. Or am I thinking of something different from you?

Also – anyone who uses internet explorer, download Firefox and then install Adblock Plus. It makes surfing so so much more enjoyable.

by biondino on Nov 4, 2009 10:41 AM MST up reply actions  

Like I said it was just my opinion

but for me the larger font with more white space is unappealing. I would prefer the headline be bolder and darker but not necessarily a larger font. Its sparse and plain. I don’t care for the left justification. There’s no pizazz or pop.

I use Firefox exclusively for browsing. I hate IE..

Purple Row: An SBNation BLAHHHHG:)

Dear Rockies - Thank you for a wonderful rollercoaster of a season! NL Wild Card Champs. Best turnaround in MLB history for a team to win the Wild Card. Can't wait to do it again next year!

Troy Tulowitzki - MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba - Re-sign!! he's en Fuego!!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!

by SDcat09 on Nov 4, 2009 1:28 PM MST up reply actions  

I've shared this sentiment with other people I've spoken with off-site

It seems like each blog is just a spinoff of SBNation with nothing unique.

Hope got in my eyes

by Andrew Martin on Nov 4, 2009 10:50 AM MST up reply actions  

Purple Row: A spinoff of SBNation with nothing unique

If all the SBNation sites changed their tag lines that it might get someone’s attention.

I'm still hoping to wake up from that nightmare I had about the 9th inning of Game 4.

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 4, 2009 12:30 PM MST up reply actions  

The font looks like Helvetica

is that correct?

Dear Rockies - Thank you for a wonderful rollercoaster of a season! NL Wild Card Champs. Best turnaround in MLB history for a team to win the Wild Card. Can't wait to do it again next year!

Troy Tulowitzki - MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba - Re-sign!! he's en Fuego!!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!

by SDcat09 on Nov 4, 2009 1:38 PM MST up reply actions  

I really think we should have polls to find out

I'm still hoping to wake up from that nightmare I had about the 9th inning of Game 4.

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 4, 2009 2:00 PM MST up reply actions  

Purple Row: An SBNation BLAHHHHG:)

meant to reply here…doh!

Dear Rockies - Thank you for a wonderful rollercoaster of a season! NL Wild Card Champs. Best turnaround in MLB history for a team to win the Wild Card. Can't wait to do it again next year!

Troy Tulowitzki - MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba - Re-sign!! he's en Fuego!!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!

by SDcat09 on Nov 4, 2009 1:29 PM MST up reply actions  

It is a SBNation blog, though!

You can’t blame them for keeping their own branding in mind. You also can’t blame them for wanting to streamline the way the site works.

You have Adblock, SDCat?

by biondino on Nov 4, 2009 3:12 PM MST up reply actions  

I don't care about the ads..so no I don't have adblocker

my point is that you can still have branding with SBNation without destroying each blogs unique identity.

And you don’t have to shout :)

Dear Rockies - Thank you for a wonderful rollercoaster of a season! NL Wild Card Champs. Best turnaround in MLB history for a team to win the Wild Card. Can't wait to do it again next year!

Troy Tulowitzki - MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba - Re-sign!! he's en Fuego!!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!

by SDcat09 on Nov 4, 2009 4:17 PM MST up reply actions  

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