WE SHOULD TRADE FOR - Compilation thread!
by Andrew Martin on Nov 5, 2009 9:40 AM MST
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PrintWe all have trademaster ambitions. We all think we understand other clubs' depth and organizational needs. Some of us do, some of us don't. Some of us think Alan Johnson is a legit "prospect".
But whether our ideas are unfounded, based entirely in fantasy (We WILL have Brian Roberts! Oh Yes!), or make perfect organization sense, I think we should all share them, because frankly, I'm already bored, and there are 106 days until pitchers and catchers report.
So without further adieu, let me propose a trade here to get things moving (disclaimer: I may or may not actually think this is a good idea) :
OF Matt Murton and RF Brad Hawpe to Kansas City for 2B Alberto Callaspo and SP Luke Hochevar
Kansas City will find themselves with a quality DH and an OF that will outperform Josh Fields, David DeJesus, Jose Guillen, and Mitch Maier, while Colorado solidifies their rotation with a perfect Apodaca-fixer-upper prospect who doesn't seem to have his game entirely together, as well as adds a decent hitter at 2B who may not have Barmes' glove, but makes up for it in his bat.
Feel free to comment on this trade, or to post your own ideas. Please be nice people. I mean, call out blatantly terrible trades, but in a NICE way, you get me?
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Won't happen
The Royals just traded Mark Teahen because they couldn’t afford his $5 million salary. No way they’d take on Hawpe’s contract unless we were taking a big contract back from them in return.
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the whole time." - Jim Bouton
what if we took back, say, Coco Crisp, use him in Murton's stead?
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by Andrew Martin on Nov 5, 2009 10:04 AM MST up reply actions
Uhhhh
Hochevar’s been good at not giving up home runs in the majors, but terrible at this in the minors.
Can we go back in time and trade Atkins for Zobrist?
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
did you say that backwards? Hoch's ~1.5 HR9 isn't terribly special
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by Andrew Martin on Nov 5, 2009 11:28 AM MST up reply actions
Upon further review
He’s always been crap with giving up home runs, however recently he had displayed trends toward lowering that number until 2009.
He also has been pretty good at giving up not-fly balls.
He’s still kinda meh.
We should trade Hawpe to the Rangers.
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
he'd be a better DH than Andruw Jones
who should we look at getting back?
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by Andrew Martin on Nov 5, 2009 11:57 AM MST up reply actions
Thats tough
I’ll say Kasey Kiker but I really have no way of evaluating how the Rangers feel about him and honestly, I doubt they’d do that.
I’ve been pretty vocal about trading Hawpe for relievers and stuff but I don’t know how to value minor league relievers. Having said that,
Beau Jones, and Beau Vaughan are two maybe, Guillermo Moscoso from AAA. Omar Poveda might have better stuff coming out of the pen.
Rangers might be ideal because 1. they can DH Hawpe, 2. They’re on the cusp of a playoff berth…
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
It's not so tough, in fact it's easy
Ian Kinsler.
I mean, no one said we had to be the least bit realistic, right?
We’ll even throw in Barmey.
Watching the purple row from high atop the big brown monolith on California Ave
Wouldn't be the first time
the Rangers accepted a trade with us that involved Kinsler
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
i ought to buy you a beer and mail it east
Somehow, I did not know that. Fascinating. Damn you Larry!
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 6, 2009 5:37 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
I was pretty surprised when I first learned that too.
As for the beer, maybe one day I’ll make it out to the big CO
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
How can we get Zobrist?
Make it happen DOD!
Thanks for a great season of Baseball!
I'll be back next year for another ride.
For a righthanded bat with pop...
What about Dan Uggla? I’m not good about knowing what to trade for him, but was wondering about maybe putting him at third and not sacrifice the defense at 2nd. Platoon with Stew for a power combo at third?
Just an idea. I’m not totally enamored, but would be interesting.
I got nothing.
Not sure
what they are looking for in return, probably pitching, but that would be a good guy to throw in at third with stew. I’d be happy with that.
by FairOrFowler24 on Nov 12, 2009 11:30 AM MST up reply actions
Alan Johnson for Babe Ruth
Just an average guy with exceptional hair. Nothing more, nothing less.
by Bryan Kilpatrick on Nov 5, 2009 1:25 PM MST reply actions
I posted this in another thread, and i guess I'll throw it out for discussion
Dexter Fowler for Chris Coghlan? Dexter definitely has the higher upside, but Coghlan would be a great fit at second for us. I feel fine putting Cargo in center permanently; if we do that, I’m not sure what we do with Dex, as his tools aren’t really suited for a corner outfield spot. Both players are cheap and controlled for years. What say you?
Winners never quit, and quitters never win. But if you never quit *and* never win, you are an idiot
Brings to mind the whole
draft the best talent available rather than draft by need argument.
We’d definitely be losing (a potential) top talent for a very talented 2b.
It would be interesting if we did this and then dealt Hawpe and had Cargo, Murton, and Smith in the OF.
However, I’m not too sure about Coghlan’s defense.
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
I honestly believe Fowler's upside FAR exceeds that of Coghlan...
so no, I would not make that trade.
Just an average guy with exceptional hair. Nothing more, nothing less.
by Bryan Kilpatrick on Nov 5, 2009 4:05 PM MST up reply actions
I don't really believe Coghlan has much upside
However if he replicates this past year’s stuff he’s quality.
I also wouldn’t make the trade however, but it is a thought provoking proposal.
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
Doesn't seem like a
bad idea either way. I’ll be surprise if the Marlins part with him though.
Making facetious trade rumors since 2012AD
we should try and land Jason Donald
I mean seriously, do you think Ruben is just gonna jettison Rollins or Utley?
Hope got in my eyes
I was also kind of thinking Jose Lopez, but he'd ground into so many DP here it's not even funny
plus I think his glove is average at best. He’d be kind of a marginal improvement over Barmes.
Hope got in my eyes
by Andrew Martin on Nov 6, 2009 9:28 AM MST up reply actions
He was in the Cliff Lee trade
He’s in Cleveland now. I like Jason Donald, but he’s projecting to be a utility dude…
ah, right, forgot that
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by Andrew Martin on Nov 8, 2009 1:37 PM MST up reply actions
when who do we use
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by Andrew Martin on Nov 6, 2009 11:21 AM MST up reply actions
I'm on board with getting Callaspo now...
that they have Getz. Switch hitter out of the 8 hole for the Rox? Wouldn’t be a blackhole of K, PopOut, HR or GroundOut. He would actually try to put the ball in play. How is this guy defensively?
I got nothing.
how do you figure
I’m seeing about average-to-below-average
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by Andrew Martin on Nov 6, 2009 8:02 PM MST up reply actions
but look at his past seasons
positive UZR. This season could be an aberration.
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by Andrew Martin on Nov 6, 2009 9:14 PM MST up reply actions
Small sample size
Also, If this season is an aberration, than He is just another Barmes with the bat.
eh, not quite that bad
but it’s not as if we’re dealing with brian roberts 2.0 either. He’d be a marginal improvement, but at the very least he’s posted good OBPs the past 2 years.
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by Andrew Martin on Nov 6, 2009 11:27 PM MST up reply actions
i would not trade for a marginal improvement, esp w barmes' D
Also keep in mind DOD doesn’t seem eager to replace barmes by any means either. At this pt, I expect him to acquire a 3b over 2b, not that it would be the right move
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 7, 2009 12:33 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
I agree
I mean, if the cost were roughly nothing, I still say go for it
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by Andrew Martin on Nov 7, 2009 12:11 PM MST up reply actions
with the abreu signing, this prob won't happen, but...
Hawpe for Brandon Wood?
Winners never quit, and quitters never win. But if you never quit *and* never win, you are an idiot
He moved his family to Cali, I believe
I’d call the chances he comes back here under 1.5%.
Watching the purple row from high atop the big brown monolith on California Ave
That high?
The oxen are slow, but the earth is patient.
by rockieprogress on Nov 8, 2009 10:54 AM MST up reply actions
lol
Winners never quit, and quitters never win. But if you never quit *and* never win, you are an idiot
How do you guys feel...
about playing chicken with Marquis and Torreabla? They are both type B free agents…lets offer arbitration and see what happens…hopefully they won’t resign and we will get draft picks. :)
What do you think are the odds of this blowing up in our face are?
Making facetious trade rumors since 2012AD
marquis - slim to none, someone will swoop him up for a 3 year contract
torrealba – …..ehhhhhhhhhh
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by Andrew Martin on Nov 7, 2009 12:19 AM MST up reply actions
I guess that depends on what
you consider is “blowing up in your face”?
Dear Rockies - Thank you for a wonderful rollercoaster of a season! NL Wild Card Champs. Best turnaround in MLB history for a team to win the Wild Card. Can't wait to do it again next year!
Troy Tulowitzki - MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba - Re-sign!! he's en Fuego!!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!
Marquis is safe.
He has more or less said that he wants to go to the Mets. At this point, him signing there is almost a certainty. So, I bet he declines. Torrealba, on the other hand, no. The whole point of not picking up the option was to not pay him 4 million bucks. Why risk the chance of paying him 5 million. They will try to negotiate a new contract closer to 2 million, but I see a 75% chance of another team offering him more on the market.
if we dont offer Marquis arbitration it will be stupid
theres no reason not to. even if he does accept its still just a 1 year deal which im fine with. however after the year he has had someone will offer him a multi year deal (which i dont want the rockies to do. 1 year fine but no multiyear) and we will get the picks
Lets offer arbitration to Yorvit
I think the odds are very good he’ll fine a bigger contract than the $4 million one here.
Making facetious trade rumors since 2012AD
I wouldn't.
We would have to pay the buyout plus the salary he is given, which would probably be around 5 million after his performance. It isn’t worth the very real risk (he likes it hear and isn’t going to get nearly that much on the market) for a pick. Marquis, on the other hand, is worth the risk considering he has already said he wants to go to NY.
i would not offer arb to yorvit
i really could see there not being a market for him and then if he came back and accepted arb we’d be stuck paying him $4-5 mil again. way too much for a backup catcher
i agree but just barely...
i say 50-50 on Yorvit coming back if with offer arbitration… I
Making facetious trade rumors since 2012AD
Lars Anderson lost a lot of value this season
maybe someone interesting, or maybe Joe Koshansky 2.0
Hope got in my eyes
Now that you bring that up
there is a dearth of impact bats in our system.
I wonder if we can make a package deal for one…
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
In this current economy...
you really do not want to offer arbitration to any player you don’t actually want on your roster next year. Because, believe me if so, there will be players accepting arbitration who teams thought would not (arb offered just to score draft picks). The FA market is going to be so bad this year, that players less than elite will be accepting arb, because arb usually results in still a healthy increase.
So no, I would not offered it to Marquis. After his last season, if he does take it, he’ll stand to get about $11m, which the Rox just can’t afford for a guy who pretty much had his career season.
Watching the purple row from high atop the big brown monolith on California Ave
I would offer arb to Marquis
There are only two type A starting pitchers in this years market (Lackey and Wolf) and Lackey is really to only dominant one. Marquis is not that far down the list and someone will sign him.
I wonder if Bud Selig will give the Yankees a receipt with their World Series purchase
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 9, 2009 9:34 PM MST up reply actions
Im diggin the hochevar idea...
Hes a colorado native am i correct??
You are correct
Although I’m not in love with him
I wonder if Bud Selig will give the Yankees a receipt with their World Series purchase
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 9, 2009 11:11 PM MST up reply actions
I'm not in love with the dude either
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 10, 2009 7:39 AM MST up reply actions
I figured he'd be an interesting pickup
Very much a Jason Hammel lookalike. He’s 26, so he’s kind of past the point of “young prospect” but turned into “project fixer upper”, pretty uninspiring K9, unacceptable BB9, moments of home run propensity.
Hoch throws a big slider and he’s developed a cutter. I get the feeling that Dac would help him fix up his change so that he’s not so reliant on his curveball – which isn’t terribly good.
Not much gas on the fastball, so he’d definitely need to learn how to throw his junk for strikes as well.
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by Andrew Martin on Nov 10, 2009 8:34 AM MST up reply actions
He was a draft no. 1 pick, is that right?
I actually added him to my fantasy roster this year and got a few good weeks, so I feel quite positive towards him.
yeah, first overall
but check this crap out
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luke_Hochevar#Draft_.26_college
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by Andrew Martin on Nov 10, 2009 10:49 AM MST up reply actions
Scott Boras is poison.
People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring. ~Rogers Hornsby
Scott Boras is poison...
Is exactly right!
"AUGIE AUGIE AUGIE...OY OY OY!"
by Rockkstarr12 on Nov 21, 2009 2:58 PM MST up reply actions
You are trying to make a case for him right?
He sounds like like a best case scenario back of the rotation guy.
I wonder if Bud Selig will give the Yankees a receipt with their World Series purchase
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 10, 2009 1:40 PM MST up reply actions
If he wasn't on a division rival
I might look into trading for Matt Antonelli…
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
Just a couple of thoughts from me......
- we need to move Barmes, Hawpe & Street
- Go after Brandon Phillips……he is the EXACT fit this lineup needed. Taking on Arroyo and a healthy chunk of his remaining contract would ease the amount required to trade for Phillips and fill a void a hole in the Rockies rotation for a veteran guy that can eat innings. Phillips would be here for another 3 years.
- Street is going to get more money than we SHOULD give him. ALA Matt Holliday. Street will not have more trade value with us than he does now. Braves, Phillies, Mets & Red Sox could all have interest along with maybe the Rangers and Cubs.
- Hawpe should be moved. He can fetch more in return, and by freeing up cash, than he is worth to us. What do I mean? If we could basically land Brandon Phillips for Hawpe and Barmes would you do it? I know I would. I would trade Hawpe and Barmes before we traded Street though. This would give us payroll flex and allow us to make teams give us a heck of an offer before we moved him.
Another prediction
the Rockies will get at least one of these pitchers….
Roy Halliday, Derek Lowe or Ben Sheets.
Making facetious trade rumors since 2012AD
Hawpe and Atkins for
dare I say, Jonathan Papelbon? Imagine it, Bentancourt in the 7th, Pap in the 8th and Street in the 9th. I’d say that’s a pretty solid way to close out a game.
by FairOrFowler24 on Nov 12, 2009 11:21 AM MST reply actions
I don't think his ego would allow him to set up Street
but just in terms of talent, it’d be awesome.
That said, Theo Epstein is a smart GM, he won’t take Hawpe and Atkins for anyone of Papelbon’s caliber.
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by Andrew Martin on Nov 12, 2009 2:26 PM MST up reply actions
That said
how much better do you think Papelbon would be than, say, some combination of Buchholz, Weathers, and Corpas?
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by Andrew Martin on Nov 12, 2009 2:27 PM MST up reply actions
Provided
those three heal well and pitch to the level they’re capable of?
Negligibly
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
yeah, it's a big IF, I admit that
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by Andrew Martin on Nov 13, 2009 9:38 AM MST up reply actions
I don't see
Corpas with the Rockies this coming year. The other two have all the potential there, but it’s still a big question mark.
by FairOrFowler24 on Nov 13, 2009 2:18 PM MST up reply actions
I agree. I feel that Corpas will be some part of a multi-player swap.
People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring. ~Rogers Hornsby
Getting some RH power
How about we dangle Hawpe for Jake Fox? Jake off the bench for the corner infield and outield positions. Good RH power… Cubs pick up lefty (yes, some $$ issues?).
If not, then maybe Andruw Jones as RH power off bench – play 1B and all 3 outfield positions?
I don't trust Jones in CF any day of the week, ever
he wasn’t even that good in Atlanta – I mean he was pretty good, but yeah. LF/RF, cool.
nitpicking aside, I don’t think he’d be satisfied to back up Ryan Spilborghs, you know what I mean? There’s gotta be another “bottom of the barrel” team that would give him just enough over our 1 year deal offer to make him go start and be terrible.
as for Fox, eh, kind of a meh guy, I don’t see him being much better than Murton should be. Not a bad idea though.
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by Andrew Martin on Nov 15, 2009 8:30 PM MST up reply actions
TRUST ME ON THIS...
You do NOT want Alberto Callaspo…the guy is a WIFE BEATER first of all…do we want the rep of having thugs/wife beaters on this team? OH HELL NO!
If you want a good infielder grab AUGIE OJEDA…my DIAMONDBACK BOY! NO CALLASPO THE WIFE BEATER!
Jonathan Papelbon a ROCKIE? NO PLEASE NO!
"AUGIE AUGIE AUGIE...OY OY OY!"
Iunno, I think I could get over most of his personal issues provided he keeps them quiet and puts up a .370 OBP
Denver doesn’t seem to mind domestic strife among its athletes
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by Andrew Martin on Nov 19, 2009 10:49 PM MST up reply actions
Patrick Roy...
I dug the dude, I really did…was shocked at his off-the-ice antics…
But Callaspo was a disaster in Arizona…let him stay in KC where he belongs…I’d rather have Augie Ojeda on my field ANYTIME :)
"AUGIE AUGIE AUGIE...OY OY OY!"
by Rockkstarr12 on Nov 21, 2009 3:01 PM MST up reply actions
?!
How could you have been shocked at his off-ice problems? His anger was what drove him to his greatness. That anger didn’t just magically disappear when he wasn’t playing.
I thought you knew that algebra was all razzamatazz. A Globetrotter always saves the good algebra for the final minutes.
by A.J. Haefele on Nov 24, 2009 1:47 AM MST up reply actions
,,,,K
I thought you knew that algebra was all razzamatazz. A Globetrotter always saves the good algebra for the final minutes.
by A.J. Haefele on Nov 24, 2009 1:41 PM MST up reply actions
heeeeeeere's patty!
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by Andrew Martin on Nov 24, 2009 5:18 PM MST up reply actions
ah ...Forshame,RMN
You won’t watch a tv show ( not real ) because it makes you feel uncomfortable, but you would overlook certain personal issues (real life) for a .370 OBP. Are you a “ratings whore” aka"winning whore"? I’m just kidding, really!
replying is a tricky thing
I don’t watch a movie or read terrible fiction because it’s stupid and the rabid fangirlism surrounding it makes me want to set things on fire.
That said, what Alberto Callaspo does off field is really none of my business. Yes, I’d prefer standup guys to play for our team. But everybody has garbage in their personal life, why should this guy get crucified for having his brought to the public arena?
Hope got in my eyes
by Andrew Martin on Nov 20, 2009 8:48 AM MST up reply actions
Yes, replying is a tricky thing.
This was merely an attempt at humor. It was ill conceived and poorly executed on my part.
Does anyone else think we should throw the farm and get Johnson from the Marlins?
Seriously, that would make a killer rotation and would make us very tough assuming we can make it to the playoffs.
maybe not throw the farm
but see how crafty we can get.
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by Andrew Martin on Nov 21, 2009 12:00 PM MST up reply actions
Let's see,
If we threw in one of our good OFs (Smith or Fowler) plus maybe Gomez or Nelson, plus a Chacin or Morales or Friedrich, that might get the ball rolling right? Our ML team wouldn’t hurt too much from those losses this year, and Johnson would be a beast. I dunno, I’d rather stand pat.
Winners never quit, and quitters never win. But if you never quit *and* never win, you are an idiot
by squalene203 on Nov 21, 2009 12:45 PM MST up reply actions
I don't disagree
I simply hope O’Dowd kicks the tires in terms of their demands, I think it’d be worth pursuing
Hope got in my eyes
by Andrew Martin on Nov 21, 2009 5:59 PM MST up reply actions
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