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Just What is Brad Hawpe Worth Exactly?

In the comments of my column last week about the Rockies' contract situations, much of the discussion centered around what the Rockies should do with outfielder Brad Hawpe this offseason.


Brad Hawpe

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2009 - Brad Hawpe 145 501 82 143 42 3 23 86 79 145 1 3 .285 .384 .519


Dan O'Dowd has said that Hawpe wasn't on the market, inferring that he wouldn't move Hawpe unless it was for a Matt Holliday-type return. Hawpe is due $7.5 million in 2010 with a $10 million team option in 2011 that will be voided if he is traded--meaning that for other teams he'd be a one year rental. Also of note is that Hawpe would likely qualify as a Type A free agent for the team that traded for him, netting that team two first round draft picks as compensation were Hawpe to walk away after the one year.

Here's the thing: Hawpe rode a hot streak with the bat in 2009 to the All-Star game but came back down to earth hard in the second half, all the while providing subpar defense. In fact, according to FanGraphs, Hawpe's batting value was virtually canceled out by his fielding last year. Due to this fact, despite Hawpe's offensive production he was worth only 1.3 WAR in 2009--which is actually right in line with his $5.5 million compensation.

The Rockies have a good problem with outfield depth, as Hawpe just may be the fourth best outfielder on the Rockies' roster going into 2010, behind Seth Smith, Carlos Gonzalez, and an improving Dexter Fowler. Because the Rockies will have an abundance of potential salary arbitration cases this winter, Hawpe's contract may be a little too unwieldy to remain on the roster--O'Dowd may need Hawpe's money to pay for a player like Rafael Betancourt, Jason Giambi, or the replacement of Garrett Atkins.

After the jump, I'll use the Trade Value Calculator, originally developed by Beyond the Boxscore's Sky Kalkman, to determine Hawpe's value to both the Rockies and to a prospective trade partner, as well as a short foray into simple economic theory.

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Projecting Hawpe in 2010

Adhering strictly to the FanGraphs calculation of WAR, as I outlined a few months back, I was able to come up with a reasonable projection for Brad Hawpe in 2010.

First, and most importantly, was the determination of Hawpe's projected 2010 wOBA. I used a combination of Bill James' projections for Hawpe in 2010 (which admittedly are a little optimistic) tempered with my own observations (Hawpe won't get as many PAs as James projects, nor will he play as many games due to the Rockies OF depth).

Using a baseline of 575 PA, 136 games played, and 1150 innings, I came up with the following values for Hawpe:

For batting, I used wOBA = .384, which is pretty much in line for Hawpe (.383 and .385 in 2008 and 2009), leading to a total of 26 wRAA. Fielding was a little trickier, but I used Hawpe's career FRAA total (-90.8) and divided it by his total innings played on defense, then multiplied it by my projected 1150 innings to get a 2010 FRAA total of -18.6.

Replacement ((#PA/600) * 20) and Positional ((GP/162) * -7.5) adjustments were relatively simple, with Hawpe getting 19.2 and -6.3 RAR in those categories.

All told, I'm projecting Hawpe to produce a little over 2 WAR in 2010.

 

Hawpe's Value to Rockies and Others

In other words, teams looking to trade for Hawpe as a one year rental that will play a corner outfield position can expect to receive this much net value: 

Brad Hawpe      
   
Year Sal (M) WAR Val (M) Net (M) Sal (M)
2010 $7.5 2.0 $9.3 $1.8 $7.5
2011      
FA Picks $5.0  
Total $7.5 2.0 $14.3 $6.8

Looking at Hawpe from a purely quantitative standpoint, what is represented above should be his perceived value to other teams. However, as has been suggested numerous times, Hawpe would be more valuable to an AL club as a DH.

 

Projecting Hawpe as a DH would mean using the positional adjustment for a DH (-17.5 RAA) while erasing his negative fielding impact. As a result, Hawpe's new projected WAR would increase to over 3 for 2010:

Brad Hawpe      
   
Year Sal (M) WAR Val (M) Net (M) Sal (M)
2010 $7.5 3.0 $13.9 $6.4 $7.5
2011      
FA Picks $5.0  
Total $7.5 3.0 $18.9 $11.4

As you can see, Hawpe could be a very valuable commodity if he were simply to leave his glove at home and hit full-time in the American League. Of course, with the AL currently being the stronger league, there is no guarantee that Hawpe's projected numbers would come to pass.

 

Using a similar process, I projected Hawpe to regress slightly in 2011 in his age 32 season to about 1.5 WAR. This season plus his Type A free agent status affords this picture of Hawpe's value to the Rockies over the life of his contract:

Brad Hawpe      
   
Year Sal (M) WAR Val (M) Net (M) Sal (M)
2009 $7.5 2.0 $9.3 $1.8 $7.5
2010 $10.0 1.5 $7.0 -$3.0 $10.0
FA Picks $5.0  
Total $17.5 3.5 $21.3 $3.8

So what does this mean? It means that Hawpe is much more valuable as a trade asset to other teams than he is to the Rockies. Sure, he'll provide 3.5 WAR over two years to the Rockies, a surplus value of $3.8 million, but Hawpe would be worth three times as much to an AL team as a DH if he voided his 2010 option.

 

It's the type of tempting market inefficiency that the Rockies need to continually exploit if they want to survive and thrive with their mid-market payroll. Hawpe's market value to other teams is increased due to his status as an All-Star and as a potential veteran leader--a quality that Hawpe purportedly utilizes with the Rockies.

I wish that I could put a concrete value on such intangible contributions, but there's no way that those intangibles are worth $3 million. The extra value in addition to the short-term flexibility provided to O'Dowd by freeing up some payroll space is simply too good to pass up. But there's one more reason to make a trade...and that's where the economics come into play.

 

Opportunity Cost

For those of you who have never taken an economics course, an opportunity cost is the value of the next best alternative which, as the result of making a decision, you have foregone the use of. In other words, the opportunity cost is the other stuff that you could be doing with your time or money, and it factors heavily into an economic decision.

What this means on a baseball level is if the Rockies were to get rid of Hawpe, they would not replace Hawpe with nobody and lose 2.0 WAR. They would instead gain incrementally increased production from players like Smith, Fowler, Gonzalez, Spilborghs, and Murton--who would benefit from more playing time. How much?

Consider this theoretical situation (I say theoretical because I doubt Tracy would play Smith/Fowler/Gonzalez regularly):

Smith would likely be the primary beneficiary of Hawpe moving on, gaining about 175 more PA, while Fowler would get another 80 and Gonzalez another 60.

Originally, using Bill James' projections (again, these are usually optimistic) Smith, Fowler, and Gonzalez were projected to produce 3.05, 2.46, and 4.09 respectively. With an increase in opportunities and the same rate stats these numbers for Smith, Fowler, and Gonzalez improve to 4.60, 2.89, and 4.55. Incrementally, this is a net improvement in WAR due to Hawpe's absence of 2.45--more value than Hawpe himself would have provided in 2010 and at a $7.5 million cost savings. Makes sense, right?

In this case, even if the Rockies were to trade Hawpe for a pile of nothing they would actually be improved due to the opportunity costs being higher than the potential economic gain of having Hawpe stay.

Of course, it really isn't as simple as that. The scenario above is something of a best case scenario for Colorado. Should any of the three starters have an injury, having Hawpe as a safety net would be better than a Matt Murton or Ryan Spilborghs to fill in. In addition, Smith seems to be doomed to a platoon situation in the outfield, making it unlikely that he'd actually be that productive in 2010.

However, even if the other outfielders are not up to the task of replacing Hawpe's 2 WAR, the payroll flexibility gained by dealing Hawpe (or the pieces received in return) will also likely produce WAR for the Rockies now or in the future, further hedging against the risk of the trade.

 

Bottom Line

While Brad Hawpe's value might have taken a hit after his cold second half of 2009, the lefty has a great deal of value (real and perceived) to other teams (especially in the AL as a DH)--more value than he has to the Rockies over the remainder of his contract due to their depth at the position and the higher relative value of payroll space to them. However, this value is more likely than not to decrease as the 2010 season progresses, so the sooner the Rockies make a move the better. 

The Rockies should be actively searching for a trade partner and be willing to accept a package built around a young back-end starter and a B prospect or corner infield depth in exchange for the 30 year old Hawpe. Should no reasonable offers emerge, then the Rockies have a pretty nice Plan B too.

Economics demands it!

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i agree completely

we seem to have gotten over that HURDLE

thanks for a great season Rockies!

LETS GO WINGS!

by TuLoRocks2008 on Nov 5, 2009 6:03 PM MST reply actions  

so i see we signed Belisle and Flores

both going to be on opening day roster i assume?…i know Flores probably more likely since i doubt we bring back Beimel so him and Morales the two lefties in the pen

we seem to have gotten over that HURDLE

thanks for a great season Rockies!

LETS GO WINGS!

by TuLoRocks2008 on Nov 5, 2009 6:16 PM MST reply actions  

Yea

That kind of bums me out. That it means Beimel is probably gone, I liked him. I guess the Sandwich pick isn’t so bad though.

by Hizilla on Nov 5, 2009 9:04 PM MST up reply actions  

We totally could have traded Beimel...

….for a bathrobe to be named later.

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by Mondogarage on Nov 6, 2009 7:51 AM MST up reply actions  

you're gonna ride this joke for awhile, aren't you

that’s ok I still like it an awful lot

Hope got in my eyes

by Andrew Martin on Nov 6, 2009 8:49 AM MST up reply actions  

Absolutely

Actually, I think Beimel should pull a Mike Morgan and end up pitching for about 12 teams in his career, and then he can put out his own lounge line called the Beimel Collection.

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by Mondogarage on Nov 6, 2009 9:18 AM MST up reply actions  

There's really only one I want

And I’d forsake any more truly authentic game-used jerseys, if I could get just one locker room used, beer & champagne soaked postgame bathrobe.

Hell, I’d wear it to the games.

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by Mondogarage on Nov 6, 2009 9:37 AM MST up reply actions  

k see that's kind of gross

I’d just want it to lounge around in and feel rich

swirling my glass of frangelico over ice

Hope got in my eyes

by Andrew Martin on Nov 6, 2009 9:39 AM MST up reply actions  

That would be appropo for a replica model...

….but we’re not talking game-used, we’re talking about wild card clinchin’, clubhouse beer sprayin’, honest to goodness PAR-TAYin’ duds.

Why waste such authenticity on behavior better suited for:

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by Mondogarage on Nov 6, 2009 11:36 AM MST up reply actions  

The above notwithstanding...

…frangelico over ice is a wonderful idea.

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by Mondogarage on Nov 6, 2009 11:37 AM MST up reply actions  

it's quite delicious

sweet hazelnut

Hope got in my eyes

by Andrew Martin on Nov 6, 2009 1:43 PM MST up reply actions  

Totally agree with trading Hawpe.

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by pedalpusher on Nov 5, 2009 6:47 PM MST reply actions  

I think we should keep Hawpe..

I’m still not sold on Dexter Fowler and having a veteran outfielder would be a calming presence to the youngsters. It’s also nice to have a bridge between the 2007 team and the 2009 new faces.

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by Charlie77 on Nov 5, 2009 9:39 PM MST up reply actions  

I know I've been a little hard on Brad this year..

but if you look at his career BABIP and GB/FB/LD rates they’ve stayed pretty consistent. The only blip was the second half of 2009 when his line drives and fly balls slumped significantly while his ground balls increased to a record high. Then the last month of the season Brad endured some bad luck while his LD rate approached past watershed heights and yet his BABIP dropped to the lowest mark of the season. Brad will bounce back.

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by Charlie77 on Nov 5, 2009 10:10 PM MST up reply actions  

Let's discuss return

who is realistic?

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by Andrew Martin on Nov 5, 2009 6:51 PM MST reply actions  

What exactly are we looking for

Back end starter, prospects, second baseman, a combination?

I wonder if Bud Selig will give the Yankees a receipt with their World Series purchase

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 5, 2009 7:14 PM MST up reply actions  

Albert Pujols works as corner infield depth...

and Wainwright is young and would be a service-able back-end starter. Make it so!

Magic Number = 0 for WC, 2 more wins for the West.

by realmenwearpurple on Nov 5, 2009 7:19 PM MST up reply actions  

This is the kind of rumor mongering you want, right?

It is realistic…

3 out of 4 sounds so much better than 2 out of 3...

by realmenwearpurple on Nov 5, 2009 7:21 PM MST up reply actions  

Hey!

I have stuff to say about this!

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by Resolution on Nov 5, 2009 9:24 PM MST up reply actions  

Plate appearances

You limited hawpe’s PAs with the rockies due to playing time issues, yet presumed he would have the same number of PAs with the supposed trade partner, correct? I think its safe to presume thag anyone who would trade for hawpe would plan on affording more plate appearances than the rockies can, thereby increasing his value even more if traded

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 5, 2009 7:06 PM MST via mobile reply actions  

True that...especially if he were a DH.

I projected 575 PA for Hawpe in this case, but playing every day for another team he could get as many as 700 in the DH slot, making him even more valuable in that role.

Eschew Obfuscation!

by Jeff Aberle on Nov 5, 2009 8:44 PM MST up reply actions  

Which teams are in the market for DH/Corner Outfielders?

By the way, Abreu being locked up today helps a lot. I would say Brad is the the third best outfielder available, and probably the best DH that is currently available. And the top two Outfielders, Bay and Holliday, will be priced way out for any mid to small market team. So, there should be a market for Hawpe. I expect it sometime late in November, if it is going to happen.

by mkorpal on Nov 5, 2009 7:32 PM MST reply actions  

ahhh, this stove is keeping me warm

Hawpe for Brandon Wood?

Winners never quit, and quitters never win. But if you never quit *and* never win, you are an idiot

by squalene203 on Nov 5, 2009 8:54 PM MST reply actions  

100% in favour of Hawpe being traded.

Thanks Brad but the opportunity cost bit of the above is the key. My only worry is if Dex falters this season, but I think that’s a risk well worth taking.

by biondino on Nov 6, 2009 4:51 AM MST reply actions  

I'll take that chance on Dex. I just can't see keeping Brad at $7.5mil to be a 4th outfielder.

We are a better team with an OF of Smith-Dex-Cargo IMO. Better defense, better speed.

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by pedalpusher on Nov 6, 2009 1:48 PM MST up reply actions  

In all fairness guys

we could make the argument that keeping Hawpe is a solid move since some of us aren’t sold on Dex, we also really have no reason to be sold on Cargo. Similarly to how we went into 2008 with a bunch of young pitching that flashed potential and then got burned, it’s possible that we are overly optimistic on both Cargo and Dex and should either or both stumble we have a terrible OF.

Of course, this is where Murton can become incredibly valuable…

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by Resolution on Nov 6, 2009 7:25 AM MST reply actions  

I don't trust Dex, frankly

I see him becoming a black Scott Podsednik – not literally, but I’m just concerned that they’re gonna ruin him because FAST GUY BUNTBUNTBUNTBUNT

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by Andrew Martin on Nov 6, 2009 8:50 AM MST up reply actions  

Or Brett Butler

The Proto-Pods.

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by Mondogarage on Nov 6, 2009 9:19 AM MST up reply actions  

I would take Murton over Spilly..

based solely on a clause that Murton must get his own TV show on FSNRM.

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by Charlie77 on Nov 6, 2009 9:46 PM MST up reply actions  

The reason I'm against trading Hawpe

is that someone has to be “the guy” that takes all the pressure of the team. Most successful teams have 2 guys, and since Helton is one of them, who’s the other guy on this team? Tulo? Yeah, he sure did well in vthe NLDS when the pressure was at its highest didn’t he… He’ll need to learn how to do it, and next year is the learning curve year.

How would Smith handle playing every day? How did he handle it last year? Were his numbers better when he was PHing, or was he better as a starter? That is where I would start to look.

It appears that the Rockies FO and Staff are looking at it the same way. They need the leadership Hawpe provides in the clubhouse (they mentioned it) to let the others play without the pressure of expectations… How did the team play at the beginning of last year when the expectations were that if they didn’t play well, Hurdle would lose his job? How did Hawpe play? That is what the whole argument is about., and as such, its an unmeasureable value.

If they trade Hawpe, I’ll be very surprised.

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by rockieprogress on Nov 6, 2009 10:30 AM MST reply actions  

well

“who’s the other guy on this team? Tulo? Yeah, he sure did well in vthe NLDS when the pressure was at its highest didn’t he…”

So, Hawpe should be retained because he did so much better in the NLDS? Lets put it this way, our highest payed outfielder was benched in the postseason. Why do we need to bring him back again?

by mkorpal on Nov 6, 2009 10:48 AM MST up reply actions  

Unlike Iannetta..

who has a history of sucking when he’s been a starter, Hawpe has shown consistency until the end of this season. Looking at the numbers I would say that he was unlucky and fell in a well.

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by Charlie77 on Nov 6, 2009 9:49 PM MST up reply actions  

what the hell does this have to do with Iannetta

don’t start this stupid fight again, I don’t know if you saw how angry it got earlier

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by Andrew Martin on Nov 6, 2009 9:54 PM MST up reply actions  

Hawpe and Iannetta have a history of consistency..

whereas the catcher is consistently hitting in the poor field of the plotgraph. Hawpe has consistently hit near .300 until he fell into some bad swing tendencies.

Look at this breakdown of Hawpe’s swing. This is from a May 30 game against the Padres when Hawpe hit a HR. At the time Hawpe was hitting .343 with a 1.043 OPS. Notice how his weight is evenly distributed throughout the swing and how the belt is horizontal when he finishes his swing.

This series was also against the Padres on Sept 23, both games were in Coors Field. Notice how Hawpe’s hands start farther back towards his helmet and higher making his swing longer. His weight is also completely on his back foot. When he finishes his swing the belt is diagonal, showing he is off balance.

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by Charlie77 on Nov 6, 2009 11:11 PM MST up reply actions  

great analysis

things like this are hard to pick up on watching live. Also looking at this his front foot is getting down earlier in the first clip than the second allowing his body more time to react to the pitch and thus his balance is better. Better balance → better swing → more productivity.

JFK

by jrockies on Nov 6, 2009 11:28 PM MST up reply actions  

His front foot is coming down sooner..

and I don’t know what his back foot is doing. It looks ackward.

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by Charlie77 on Nov 6, 2009 11:34 PM MST up reply actions  

By all right..

you mean except for 2006, 2007, and most of 2009 right? Because those plots are in the Poor area.

How did you get me distracted on Dreamy? My strattera must be running low.

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by Charlie77 on Nov 6, 2009 11:33 PM MST up reply actions  

you brought him up out of the absolute blue

2007 was poor. Nobody denies it. 2008 is solidly in the good. 2009 is wavering between good and poor. 2006 doesn’t really count, it was like a month long callup.

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by Andrew Martin on Nov 6, 2009 11:37 PM MST up reply actions  

It's too bad we can't take Brad Hawpe's second half of 2008 and first half of 2009 and call it a season

He would have had a .322 batting average
.399 on base percentage
.961 OPS
26 Home Runs
and 104 RBI’s

That’s one heck of a season and he did it over the course of 162 consecutive games. He just didn’t do it in the same calendar year. Let’s market that.

I wonder if Bud Selig will give the Yankees a receipt with their World Series purchase

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 7, 2009 2:04 AM MST up reply actions  

Your wOBA point is a good one..

because Chris is one of the top ranked C in the MLB in that category. However when you compare the rest of the data his stats fall below par. Particularly ook at Chris’ BABIP.

Name/Team/AVG/BABIP/wOBA
Joe Mauer…………… Twins……………0.365……………0.377……………0.438
Jorge Posada……….Yankees…………0.285…………..0.335……………0.378
Victor Martinez……….- – - ……………….0.303…………..0.316……………0.375
Mike Napoli……………Angels………….0.272………….0.324……………0.362
Brian McCann………..Braves………….0.281………….0.302……………0.359
Miguel Montero………dbacks………….0.294………….0.329…………..0.357
Chris Iannetta………..Rockies…………0.228…………0.253……………0.346
Yadier Molina…………Cardinals………0.293………….0.310…………..0.337

Hopefully Chris will have a rebound year like Yadier Molina, who hit .216 in his third year only to raise it to .275 then .304 and .293 this year.

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by Charlie77 on Nov 7, 2009 5:59 AM MST up reply actions  

The reason I brought up Dreamy in the first place..

was because he has not had a consistent history when starting. He’s all over the board offensively. However Brad has been consistently positive with just the 2nd half of the season of poor performance. Could it signal his downfall? Maybe, but it’s probably just a swing issue like Tulo’s change from a crouched to a more upright approach this season.

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by Charlie77 on Nov 7, 2009 6:03 AM MST up reply actions  

The same could be said about Jeff Baker

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by Charlie77 on Nov 7, 2009 3:34 PM MST up reply actions  

no it couldn't

Baker “started” for like a month, maybe 2. Never consistently.

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by Andrew Martin on Nov 8, 2009 8:44 AM MST up reply actions  

Jeff started as many games last year..

as Chris did this year. He also posted similar numbers to what Chris did in 09.

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by Charlie77 on Nov 8, 2009 11:10 PM MST up reply actions  

His BABIP was low

because he hit a ton of flyballs (52%). Hopefully this can be corrected somehow during the offseason. If he can raise his LD rate a bit from 16% and get a little luckier on balls in play (high FB rate aside), he’ll pretty much be the player we hoped he was.

Ian Stewart is another dude who needs to raise his LD rate, 14% just kind of sucks. Unfortunately, his minor league resume suggests this is his comfort zone.

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by Resolution on Nov 7, 2009 7:03 AM MST up reply actions  

Yeah, his BABIP sucks

that’s usually an indication that he just needs to tweak a couple of things, or that he just seems to keep hitting it where they are – solidly hit or no. Luck + Mechanical fix

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by Andrew Martin on Nov 7, 2009 12:13 PM MST up reply actions  

Have you ever looked at CDI's career OPS..

with 2 outs and RISP? 1.124

How about his career OPS with runners on 2nd and 3rd? 1.392

Now why can’t he do this the rest of the time?

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by Charlie77 on Nov 7, 2009 3:38 PM MST up reply actions  

I wonder if he changes his approach in those situations

or if it’s just more statistical noise…

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by Resolution on Nov 7, 2009 6:05 PM MST up reply actions  

I think pitchers attack the strike zone..

more when he is up to bat in those situations. So he doesn’t have to expand or swing outside his comfort zone.

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by Charlie77 on Nov 7, 2009 9:15 PM MST up reply actions  

can we get our 3b coach

to like pretend he’s on 3rd then when CDI bats?

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by Resolution on Nov 8, 2009 8:34 AM MST up reply actions  

WORLD SERIES HERE WE COME

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by Resolution on Nov 8, 2009 2:11 PM MST up reply actions  

let me ask this

Was it more important for him to lead with his productivity early when the rest of the team was teeroble or down the stretch to the playoffs when hawpe had lost it? What happened to his unmeasurable veterany leadership value then?

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 6, 2009 1:01 PM MST via mobile up reply actions  

I think you need more than one leadership style in any organization.

Tulo brings the young brash in your face style, and still could make some mistakes in leadership, even though he is really mature
--Helton is the sage, doesn’t say much, but carries a big stick. Commands ultimate respect. Leads by example.
- Hawpe is in the middle, probably vocal enough to kick some tail with the youngsters but not necessarily in your face. And leads by example, even if he might be struggling to some degree. I get an edgy vibe from Hawpe that when you piss him off, look out. Clearly, DOD seems to think its so important to the team that he doesn’t want to move him.

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by SDcat09 on Nov 6, 2009 7:40 PM MST up reply actions  

hmm...I know he made some comments last year

about the comments DOD made in the paper about the team’s bad performance. So I dunno…:) just my opinion

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Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!

by SDcat09 on Nov 6, 2009 8:41 PM MST up reply actions  

well there you go..

Dear Rockies - Thank you for a wonderful rollercoaster of a season! NL Wild Card Champs. Best turnaround in MLB history for a team to win the Wild Card. Can't wait to do it again next year!

Troy Tulowitzki - MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba - Re-sign!! he's en Fuego!!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!

by SDcat09 on Nov 7, 2009 2:16 AM MST up reply actions  

Can we just resign Giambi mainly for leadership?

As much as I acknowledge that Hawpe is something of a team/clubhouse leader, I honestly feel that dealing him will just force someone else to step up, who I don’t know.

"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker

by Resolution on Nov 7, 2009 7:05 AM MST up reply actions  

I want that as well

but the Marlins declined Ross Gload’s option, and I’m eyeballing him as a PH/backup 1B/backup 3B

Hope got in my eyes

by Andrew Martin on Nov 7, 2009 12:14 PM MST up reply actions  

You want to bring

back Ross Gload? I don’t like the idea because he would be yet another lefty in our lineup and on the bench. I would like to target a right handed bat of some kind. I forget, why/when did we get rid of him before? Oh right, we have Todd Helton to play first.

JFK

by jrockies on Nov 7, 2009 6:43 PM MST up reply actions  

I think

Murton should be our righty off the bench. But that doesn’t help infield depth and is dependent upon Hawpe being moved…

"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker

by Resolution on Nov 7, 2009 7:42 PM MST up reply actions  

not to start him

but look at his PH numbers this season

Hope got in my eyes

by Andrew Martin on Nov 8, 2009 8:49 AM MST up reply actions  

I'd be in favor of getting Ross Gload

because I think Gload is a funny sounding last name, not for any objective reason…

"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker

by Resolution on Nov 8, 2009 2:12 PM MST up reply actions  

THIS!!! a billion times..

(as if you didn’t know this was my opinion)

Dear Rockies - Thank you for a wonderful rollercoaster of a season! NL Wild Card Champs. Best turnaround in MLB history for a team to win the Wild Card. Can't wait to do it again next year!

Troy Tulowitzki - MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba - Re-sign!! he's en Fuego!!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!

by SDcat09 on Nov 6, 2009 2:02 PM MST up reply actions  

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