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Friday Rockpile: Free agency filings begin; no surprises for the Rockies

Rockies zero in on going the distance - The Denver Post
Renck offers three steps for the Rockies to make it to the World Series: Win the west and have home-field advantage, have Ubaldo Jimenez become a #1, and takes pitches and strike out less (especially Carlos Gonzalez, Dexter Fowler, and Chris Iannetta).

Rockies sign relievers Flores, Belisle - The Denver Post
Here’s the details on the Belisle, Flores contracts | All Things Rockies
God help us if either guy starts to collect on those additional incentives in their contracts. Also, Omar Quintanilla was out-righted to Colorado Springs, while Joel Peralta opted to become a free agent after being out-righted.

Reynolds, Johnston in Rising Stars game | ColoradoRockies.com: News
Relievers Matt Reynolds and Andrew Johnston made the Arizona Fall League's Rising Stars game.

Marquis, Giambi top list of Rox free agents | ColoradoRockies.com: News
Lackey, Holliday and 77 others file for free agency - MLB - SI.com
Here's an article on the Rockies' FA's, as well as a list of everyone who has filed for free agency so far.

Reports of Teahen trade appear to be premature - KansasCity.com
Someone jumped the gun in reporting the Teahean-to-White Sox deal for Josh Fields and Chris Getz. If this is how the offseason starts, let's hope for more intrigue.

The 2009 Yogi Berra Award
San Francisco's Pablo Sandoval had the most base hits on bad balls. There are several top 10 lists in the article--find Chris Iannetta.

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I hope by your photo caption

That you aren’t suggesting ubaldo will be traded to the Yankees

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 6, 2009 7:26 AM MST via mobile reply actions  

Nah.

That’s just one of my historical references no one picks up on.

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by Russ Oates on Nov 6, 2009 7:39 AM MST up reply actions  

Ks

As we saw with this team, taking more pitches and striking out can go hand in hand. Its not so simple to “take more pitches and strike out less”. Fowler and iannetta did not take too few of pitches

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 6, 2009 7:28 AM MST via mobile reply actions  

By take

more pitches…what does Renck mean? Lead the league in Pitches/PA? Cause they did that…

by Hizilla on Nov 6, 2009 9:28 AM MST up reply actions  

Depends

on how you actually read what Renck wrote. He wrote that the Rockies needed to be more patient. I take that to mean, “see more pitches,” but you could also say that it means finding the right pitch to hit. But the latter feeds into the former.

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by Russ Oates on Nov 6, 2009 9:31 AM MST up reply actions  

so he means "disciplined" more than patient

because patience doesn’t necessarily mean you leap at the right opportunity

Hope got in my eyes

by Andrew Martin on Nov 6, 2009 9:35 AM MST up reply actions  

Yea i read it.

It’s pretty easy to look at guys like Iannetta and Stewart and say. You guys need to strike out less and make more contact. But making such general statements about the team like:

Thirdly, the offense has to become more patient and strike out less. The Yankees’ lineup is stocked with guys who work deep counts, comparable to the Rockies’ Todd Helton.

is what really frustrates me about alot of the DP writers. The Rockies worked the count more than any team in baseball over 162 games. And the only the Yankees took more walks than the Rockies did during the regular season (3 more).
The problem that alot of fans have is that they have taken alot of backwards K’s, which happens alot when you get a full count and don’t swing at a pitch – you will either walk or strike out. What a few of them actually need to improve upon (and I know Redhawk was harping on this alot of the year) is not being more patient, but defending the plate better with 2 strikes and cutting down on all those “Strikeout Looking”.

by Hizilla on Nov 6, 2009 9:41 AM MST up reply actions  

I didn't mean

to imply that you didn’t read the article. Read=interpret in that case.

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by Russ Oates on Nov 6, 2009 9:44 AM MST up reply actions  

Not really

Where they need to be more patient is once they have 2 strikes, then they tend to chase bad pitches and strike themselves out. As they go deeper in the count, they need to be disciplined to foul off the pitches they recognise but were fooled on, and patient so they can still take pitches that are clearly out of the strike zone.

Think about Barmes. He made every team’s “book” as being one that once he had 2 strikes against him, he would chase ANY pitch that was low and away. If he would be more patient, he wouldn’t chase those.

The oxen are slow, but the earth is patient.

by rockieprogress on Nov 6, 2009 9:57 AM MST up reply actions  

i believe we led the league in strike out looking percentage

So we were TOO good at not swinging with two strikes. I’m not sure intentionally foiling off pitcher’s pitches is an easily learned skill for anyone, so I’m fine with them at least trying to swing. Barmes down and put slider swing is grating though

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 6, 2009 10:23 AM MST via mobile up reply actions  

based on this comment
The book on the Rockies is to get the first pitch over and then they will chase anything close thereafter.

My eyes are deceiving me. That is what I was noticing this year.

The oxen are slow, but the earth is patient.

by rockieprogress on Nov 6, 2009 10:53 AM MST up reply actions  

The problem

about using Barmes there is that he was the Anti-Rockie at the plate. Unlike everyone else on the team this year he didn’t take pitches, didn’t walk all that much and hacked his brains out. I’m talking about the Hawpes, and the Stewarts and the Iannettas, (Tulo even), the guys who leave the bat on their shoulders way too much with 2 strikes. AS PF said above, they probably led the league in strikeout looking %. BR has the data, I just don’t have a membership to look it up.

by Hizilla on Nov 6, 2009 10:30 AM MST up reply actions  

This just in

2 team trade involving marginal/average-at-best players has still not been confirmed

details at 11

Hope got in my eyes

by Andrew Martin on Nov 6, 2009 9:14 AM MST reply actions  

Gomez for Hardy?

"Don't give up, don't ever give up" - Jim Valvano

by nodakroxfan on Nov 6, 2009 2:51 PM MST up reply actions  

SB Nation

turns six today.

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by Russ Oates on Nov 6, 2009 9:36 AM MST reply actions  

That's almost one in dog years

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by Mondogarage on Nov 6, 2009 9:38 AM MST up reply actions  

And if anyone

wants to see what Athletics Nation looked like when it first launched:
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by Russ Oates on Nov 6, 2009 9:54 AM MST up reply actions  

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on its first day: http://web.archive.org/web/20050429062351/http://www.purplerow.com/

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by Russ Oates on Nov 6, 2009 9:54 AM MST up reply actions  

Agh

I loved that look so much.

I thought you knew that algebra was all razzamatazz. A Globetrotter always saves the good algebra for the final minutes.

by A.J. Haefele on Nov 6, 2009 3:12 PM MST up reply actions  

When did Brandi Griffin receive the title of Aka?

….and not to sound ignorant, but is that Aleutian?

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by Charlie77 on Nov 7, 2009 3:57 PM MST up reply actions  

Make your own widget.

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by Russ Oates on Nov 6, 2009 9:58 AM MST up reply actions  

My editorial —> Widgets —> Create new widget. See what you want to do from there.

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by Russ Oates on Nov 6, 2009 10:03 AM MST up reply actions  

Last one should be new widget, rather.

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by Russ Oates on Nov 6, 2009 10:03 AM MST up reply actions  

And to think, Redman valued higher than Ted Lilly.

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by Mondogarage on Nov 6, 2009 9:58 AM MST up reply actions  

wave bye-bye to Thong boy. He's an AL player. DH gets him 400 + ABs.

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by pedalpusher on Nov 6, 2009 1:36 PM MST up reply actions  

OLD NEWS MAN

OLD NEWS

I’m rolling my eyes pretty substantially

Hope got in my eyes

by Andrew Martin on Nov 6, 2009 9:55 AM MST up reply actions  

OLD NEWS MAN

I’m messing with you, it was released yesterday evening, so a lot of people missed it

Hope got in my eyes

by Andrew Martin on Nov 6, 2009 9:57 AM MST up reply actions  

Now, now, let's not jump to conclusions

It may have been legally-prescribed from a licensed dispensary
to fill a prescription for his condition (“freakitis”).

No records in the last 10 years should count.

by Maris6161 on Nov 6, 2009 1:04 PM MST up reply actions  

or his back issues :)

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by SDcat09 on Nov 6, 2009 1:56 PM MST up reply actions  

Carlos Gomez sucks

he’s like a far worse version of Franklin Gutierrez.

Hope got in my eyes

by Andrew Martin on Nov 6, 2009 10:24 AM MST up reply actions  

I watch the Twins quite frequently

and watching him at the plate is like watching…well I don’t have a good comparison but it is ugly, he’s magical in the field but god awful at the plate.

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by nodakroxfan on Nov 6, 2009 2:55 PM MST up reply actions  

Cliff Lee's option exercised.

Just in case you don’t have MLBTradeRumors or its RSS feed up. :p

by Greg Stanwood on Nov 6, 2009 10:14 AM MST reply actions  

Did the sun rise in the east today, too?

;-)

Even Dayton Moore would have been smart enough to exercise that option, if he’d had it.

Okay, maybe not Dayton Moore, but even Dinty Moore would have exercised it.

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by Mondogarage on Nov 6, 2009 10:16 AM MST up reply actions  

Mondo you're coming through today with the highlarious posting

Dayton Moore would’ve traded Lee for like Nelson Cruz or Russell Branyan or Cody Ross

Hope got in my eyes

by Andrew Martin on Nov 6, 2009 10:22 AM MST up reply actions  

He would have thrown Mark Teahen in the trade, too

Then pulled him out. Then put him back in.

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by Mondogarage on Nov 6, 2009 10:32 AM MST up reply actions  

Good for him

I’m actually pleasantly surprised at D’backs management for doing so. Could pay off for them in the long run.

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by Mondogarage on Nov 6, 2009 10:32 AM MST up reply actions  

Teahen trade is official. Again.

(Don’t worry, it will be unofficial again in an hour).

by Greg Stanwood on Nov 6, 2009 10:19 AM MST reply actions  

Already a crazy start to the offseason

It wouldn’t be a surprise to see Hawpe moved in the next week or so.

by mkorpal on Nov 6, 2009 10:40 AM MST reply actions  

lalalalalalaaaaaaaaaaaa,

I can’t hear you…

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by SDcat09 on Nov 6, 2009 1:57 PM MST up reply actions  

Could Jeff Francis be the next Trevor Hoffman?

(not in terms of like legacy, but a closer with a monstrous changeup and not much going on with a fastball)

Hope got in my eyes

by Andrew Martin on Nov 6, 2009 12:19 PM MST reply actions  

he pretty much is the last rockie anyone would want to meet in a dark alley huh

Intimidatiog factor off the charts

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 6, 2009 12:55 PM MST via mobile up reply actions  

Wouldn't it be great if Francis came back and won 17 games again next year

Not at all realistic but I can dream can’t I?

I wonder if Bud Selig will give the Yankees a receipt with their World Series purchase

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 6, 2009 8:46 PM MST up reply actions  

I'd sign for that right now

The good thing is that with Ubaldo, Cook, and JDLR we don’t need Francis to be an ace, we just need him solid. Takes a lot of pressure off of everyone. Francis is a bonus.

I wonder if Bud Selig will give the Yankees a receipt with their World Series purchase

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 6, 2009 9:22 PM MST up reply actions  

175 innings and I'm set

I wonder if he’ll have his monstrous changeup still

Hope got in my eyes

by Andrew Martin on Nov 6, 2009 9:25 PM MST up reply actions  

What makes his changeup so effective is it's difference from his fastball right

So it kind of depends a lot on his velocity I think

I wonder if Bud Selig will give the Yankees a receipt with their World Series purchase

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 6, 2009 10:03 PM MST up reply actions  

Not necessarily

He was only throwing up to 90 with his fast ball before and was consistently around 88. His change-up was at 83 if I remember correctly. The difference in speeds helps but the grip he used when he threw the ball caused it to move quite a bit making it more difficult to hit, especially since it came out of the same arm slot as his fast ball.

JFK

by jrockies on Nov 6, 2009 10:20 PM MST up reply actions  

I thought his changeup was often in the high 70's but I could be wrong

I guess my concern that if he only could throw in the mid 80’s he would have problems. At that speed I think you need movement and a decent change in velocity to get major league hitters out consistantly.

I wonder if Bud Selig will give the Yankees a receipt with their World Series purchase

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 7, 2009 1:46 AM MST up reply actions  

esp as a Rockies pitcher

Gustafson told me that’s what they stress in the minors: command of one’s fastball, and a well developed changeup

Hope got in my eyes

by Andrew Martin on Nov 7, 2009 12:15 PM MST up reply actions  

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by Charlie77 on Nov 7, 2009 3:51 PM MST up reply actions  

Add 10 points to your little black book..

and move forward three spaces.

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by Charlie77 on Nov 9, 2009 12:00 PM MST up reply actions  

He had good movement

with his change up to go along with the speed differences. You might be correct in that he only threw it 80ish, as I can’t remember how he pitched in 2007 (2008 being a terrible year and 2009 injured). The movement he had with the change was the key.

JFK

by jrockies on Nov 7, 2009 5:25 PM MST up reply actions  

2007 Jeff Francis seems soooooooooo long ago

It almost hard for me to remember how good his changeup was

I wonder if Bud Selig will give the Yankees a receipt with their World Series purchase

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 8, 2009 1:34 AM MST up reply actions  

Brett Myers not being brought back...

do the Rockies give this wifebeater a chance?

I got nothing.

by nkrause on Nov 6, 2009 2:07 PM MST reply actions  

I'm thinking he doesn't meet the Rox character requirements

I totally picture Tulo or Helton giving him a serious beatdown because of that

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by SDcat09 on Nov 6, 2009 2:18 PM MST up reply actions  

A chance in hell maybe

I wonder if Bud Selig will give the Yankees a receipt with their World Series purchase

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 6, 2009 8:47 PM MST up reply actions  

would we be a player in the John Garland sweepstakes? I'd think we'd have to move Hawpe to do it.

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by pedalpusher on Nov 6, 2009 2:38 PM MST reply actions  

i presume he means from a salary standpoint

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 6, 2009 2:47 PM MST via mobile up reply actions  

ah right

I was wondering why he thought the Dodgers would want Hawpe

Hope got in my eyes

by Andrew Martin on Nov 6, 2009 2:47 PM MST up reply actions  

That is a true point as he is the Dodger Killer

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Yorvit Torrealba - Re-sign!! he's en Fuego!!
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by SDcat09 on Nov 6, 2009 3:17 PM MST up reply actions  

he'll continue to be a dodger killer in RF lolololololol

seriously they should trade Loney to someone, trade us someone studly for Hawpe, put Hawpe at 1B.

I’m thinking….Matt Kemp should get it done

Hope got in my eyes

by Andrew Martin on Nov 6, 2009 3:18 PM MST up reply actions  

I think Jeff Kent's stache should get it done

the stache alone could man 2B better than Barmes.

Rox, please start playing with heart! Let's finish this thing off!

by smokinRox on Nov 6, 2009 3:21 PM MST up reply actions  

The stache would be rusty at first

but that thing never goes out of style.

Rox, please start playing with heart! Let's finish this thing off!

by smokinRox on Nov 6, 2009 3:22 PM MST up reply actions  

yes please, Magnum PI, would intimidate the ball out of the park

Rox, please start playing with heart! Let's finish this thing off!

by smokinRox on Nov 6, 2009 3:25 PM MST up reply actions  

Tom Selleck was once featured in Sports Illustrated's..

Faces in the Crowd. True story

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by Charlie77 on Nov 7, 2009 3:52 PM MST up reply actions  

I'm not sure what you mean

he is the dodger killer…i wasn’t kidding…his numbers are ridiculous

Dear Rockies - Thank you for a wonderful rollercoaster of a season! NL Wild Card Champs. Best turnaround in MLB history for a team to win the Wild Card. Can't wait to do it again next year!

Troy Tulowitzki - MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba - Re-sign!! he's en Fuego!!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!

by SDcat09 on Nov 6, 2009 3:27 PM MST up reply actions  

yes, and considering how bad he is in RF

If he played for the Dodgers, he’d continue to kill them

Hope got in my eyes

by Andrew Martin on Nov 6, 2009 3:28 PM MST up reply actions  

:/

he’s not that bad….good lord…I know you have a mission but come now..

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Troy Tulowitzki - MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba - Re-sign!! he's en Fuego!!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!

by SDcat09 on Nov 6, 2009 3:30 PM MST up reply actions  

no, he is that bad! He really is! everyone knows it!

I mentioned trading Hawpe in a general baseball discussion board, and a White Sox fan popped up and said “oooh, we could DH Hawpe!”

Hope got in my eyes

by Andrew Martin on Nov 6, 2009 3:32 PM MST up reply actions  

I know that his defense has not been the best..

lemme ask you this, if his 2nd half numbers hadn’t fallen off, would you still be so eager to trade him?

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Troy Tulowitzki - MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba - Re-sign!! he's en Fuego!!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!

by SDcat09 on Nov 6, 2009 3:40 PM MST up reply actions  

Actually

I’d be pushing for it even harder, as the return would be even better. Jabberwocky hit the nail on the head yesterday. It’s not that Brad is terrible, or not worth his salary, because he is. He just is not an upgrade over cheaper/equally as good or better players already on the roster. And he would be an upgrade for a number of other teams, thus the team could actually turn him into something useful and take a step forward rather than hold on to him and take a step sideways.

by Hizilla on Nov 6, 2009 3:43 PM MST up reply actions  

Not

to try and put words in RMN’s mouth or anything.

by Hizilla on Nov 6, 2009 3:45 PM MST up reply actions  

not as eager, no

but would I want to keep him? It would seriously depend on the return. I’m not sold on Dex next season, but I also hate Hawpe’s RF defense.

Hope got in my eyes

by Andrew Martin on Nov 6, 2009 3:45 PM MST up reply actions  

Something is going to have to happen though

Murton is now out of options. Someone is going to get traded out of Murton/Spilly/Hawpe. Of the 3 Murton is the easiest to control the costs. He probably is what he is though. .286/.351/.436 with above average defense for $420K is pretty nice.

by Hizilla on Nov 6, 2009 3:51 PM MST up reply actions  

Yea

To be honest I think the only safe OF’s are Dex and CarGo. Smith is probably safe as well but it wouldn’t shock me to see him go. But yes, seeing 2 of them go wouldn’t really surprise me, and among all of them, Hawpe and Spilly cost the most. From a clubhouse/fan standpoint though – trading those two probably wouldn’t win the front office much praise.

by Hizilla on Nov 6, 2009 3:59 PM MST up reply actions  

Use

that rational, engineering side of the brain though.

by Hizilla on Nov 6, 2009 4:22 PM MST up reply actions  

On a totally unrelated note

I finally got the data I’ve been waiting for for 2 weeks this morning, and had to skip the AFL game :(

by Hizilla on Nov 6, 2009 4:23 PM MST up reply actions  

Crap

I missed a 2/4 with a HR by Rosario and a 2/5 day with a 2B for Gomez. Sad face.

by Hizilla on Nov 6, 2009 4:28 PM MST up reply actions  

A winning baseball team is more important than praise.

Since Spilly survived the season, I think he’s got a much better chance of staying, especially if Hawpe goes. But I’m not ruling it out in the slightest. Spilly will get more in a trade than Murton would, I think.

by Greg Stanwood on Nov 6, 2009 4:30 PM MST up reply actions  

Yes, yes, and yes again.

Hawpe is the fourth best outfielder on the team, the most expensive, the least valuable to our future, and currently is being sold high on a market that’s interested in him.

Not pulling the trigger in my eyes is only an option of other teams become disinterested and won’t give up anything. I do not support trading Hawpe for nothing, but if we get something (I would prefer MLB ready bullpen material), I say we go for it, period.

by Greg Stanwood on Nov 6, 2009 3:52 PM MST up reply actions  

Yep, I realize Garland is a FA.

But he’s probably going to require somewhere in the neighborhood of 6-7mil per year. My comment was meant to indicate that we would probably need to clear Hawpe’s salary to make it work.

And if everyone is thinking we’d need to get a starter in return for Brad in a trade, what would be the difference of trading him for whatever and signing a front line pitcher to replace his dollars?

People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring. ~Rogers Hornsby

by pedalpusher on Nov 6, 2009 3:18 PM MST up reply actions  

I feel as if someone will give him a 3 year deal to be less effective than

Jason Marquis and Aaron Cook. He has a good sinker, but we also have pitching like 1 year away and even more that will compete for the rotation

Hope got in my eyes

by Andrew Martin on Nov 6, 2009 3:21 PM MST up reply actions  

Probably something DOD should explore.

He had a very similar year to Marquis. And he could probably be had for less than Marquis made last year. Don’t know if 2 years + club option would do the deal. Seems like this would give us another proven starter until they minor league arms are ready. Wouldn’t be interested in anything longer.

People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring. ~Rogers Hornsby

by pedalpusher on Nov 6, 2009 4:22 PM MST up reply actions  

Keep in mind.

The DBacks are paying him a healthy sum this winter to not play for them. I think he had like a $2.5M buy out that AZ owes him.

by Hizilla on Nov 6, 2009 4:26 PM MST up reply actions  

he gets that regardless of who he signs with, no? And the new team doesn't participate, do they?

He would be a Level B F/A. What would the payback be on that?

People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring. ~Rogers Hornsby

by pedalpusher on Nov 6, 2009 4:34 PM MST up reply actions  

Yea

It probably doesn’t really have any bearing on this year.

by Hizilla on Nov 6, 2009 4:36 PM MST up reply actions  

All I'm saying is it doesn't cost anything to call his agent and find out if there is a possibility of a deal.

People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring. ~Rogers Hornsby

by pedalpusher on Nov 6, 2009 4:52 PM MST up reply actions  

No, but it is a waste

If we are going to get another starter, he should be better than Francis. I don’t see that.

by mkorpal on Nov 6, 2009 5:06 PM MST up reply actions  

I'm not really disagreeing with you

I kind of feel meh about Garland though. Someone will probably give him more than he’s worth.

by Hizilla on Nov 6, 2009 6:07 PM MST up reply actions  

they probably will and that's fine. But it's always good to look for pitching.

I think Jeff F. is in the same category that Todd was last off season as to not knowing exactly what to expect coming back off surgery.

It would be nice to pick up another rotation quality arm either via trade (Hawpe?) or thru FA. But at the same not overpaying.

People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring. ~Rogers Hornsby

by pedalpusher on Nov 6, 2009 7:10 PM MST up reply actions  

oh I'm not saying don't kick the tires

just that we shouldn’t get into a bidding war or anything

Hope got in my eyes

by Andrew Martin on Nov 6, 2009 8:04 PM MST up reply actions  

totally agree. No bidding wars. But start a conversation and see what's up.

People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring. ~Rogers Hornsby

by pedalpusher on Nov 6, 2009 8:07 PM MST up reply actions  

maybe it had something to do with the team surrounding him?

People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring. ~Rogers Hornsby

by pedalpusher on Nov 6, 2009 8:35 PM MST up reply actions  

Here's a random question

If we could somehow acquire Michael Young and get him to play 2B, would you do it?

Hope got in my eyes

by Andrew Martin on Nov 6, 2009 3:25 PM MST reply actions  

In a second, no pun intended

Rox, please start playing with heart! Let's finish this thing off!

by smokinRox on Nov 6, 2009 3:26 PM MST up reply actions  

debatable

He’s played mostly SS, a season of 2B, and this season at 3B to make room for Andrus.

“well” is somewhat up for argument….

Hope got in my eyes

by Andrew Martin on Nov 6, 2009 3:28 PM MST up reply actions  

I knew about the move to third, which was why I asked.

Considering what we’d have to give up for him, I’d honestly say no unless there were better evidence he could do it.

by Greg Stanwood on Nov 6, 2009 3:37 PM MST up reply actions  

i more or less agree

but he has a big bat, and that could be nice at 2B

Hope got in my eyes

by Andrew Martin on Nov 6, 2009 3:45 PM MST up reply actions  

why on earth would the rangers trade him?

Winners never quit, and quitters never win. But if you never quit *and* never win, you are an idiot

by squalene203 on Nov 6, 2009 4:31 PM MST up reply actions  

In the offseason, people generally ignore that part.

It’s all hypothetical speculation, not an actual suggestion.

by Greg Stanwood on Nov 6, 2009 4:33 PM MST up reply actions  

If we could somehow acquire Michael Young

Hope got in my eyes

by Andrew Martin on Nov 6, 2009 8:04 PM MST up reply actions  

Yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes

What do you think it would take to get that done?

An arm and a leg?

I wonder if Bud Selig will give the Yankees a receipt with their World Series purchase

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 6, 2009 9:05 PM MST up reply actions  

I wonder about his defense is the issue

and the price tag, he has a pretty huge contract

Hope got in my eyes

by Andrew Martin on Nov 6, 2009 9:15 PM MST up reply actions  

Wow did not realize his contract was that enormous

Four more years for 48 million. For some reason I thought it was like half that much. I take back about eight of those yeses. I would be concerned about his defense seeing that it was not that good on the left side of the infield but I think moving to second, which is less demanding than lets say shortstop, and having Todd as a target at first we could live with it.

The thing that is so appealing to me is that with Young at second and CDI behind the plate we would have no easy outs in our lineup. When you have no easy outs (other than the pitcher) it makes your offense sooooooooooooo much better. Its not just one player, its what it would do to the lineup as a whole.
.
But that contract would be a huge problem. Probably not worth it

I wonder if Bud Selig will give the Yankees a receipt with their World Series purchase

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 6, 2009 9:54 PM MST up reply actions  

yep just saw this

no surprise…ima miss yorvy but it is Iannetta’s time…step up big guy!

we seem to have gotten over that HURDLE

thanks for a great season Rockies!

LETS GO WINGS!

by TuLoRocks2008 on Nov 6, 2009 6:23 PM MST up reply actions  

They're going to look into signing Torrealba on a backup salary.

If Torrealba finds a better deal out there, though, there’s no reason to think he’d return.

by Greg Stanwood on Nov 6, 2009 6:24 PM MST up reply actions  

6 free speces on the roster now.

One more free agency filing, and we have room to bring out players off the 60 Day DL.

by Greg Stanwood on Nov 6, 2009 6:26 PM MST up reply actions  

By Speces..

did you mean Species or Feces?

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by Charlie77 on Nov 7, 2009 3:55 PM MST up reply actions  

true i would have no problem with him coming back

on a backup salary at all

we seem to have gotten over that HURDLE

thanks for a great season Rockies!

LETS GO WINGS!

by TuLoRocks2008 on Nov 6, 2009 6:27 PM MST up reply actions  

I like the last article

If you look close enough you will find that CDI was in the bottom 10 at swinging at pitches out of the zone 9%. This is good. Now he needs to swing at, and make line drive contact with, more pitches in the zone.

JFK

by jrockies on Nov 6, 2009 8:05 PM MST reply actions  

find Chris Iannetta.

You found him!

Hope got in my eyes

by Andrew Martin on Nov 6, 2009 8:05 PM MST up reply actions  

not sarcastic

I really want to know

JFK

by jrockies on Nov 6, 2009 8:07 PM MST up reply actions  

I'm considering

How do you like it and how does it compare (workload) to CHEN classes?

JFK

by jrockies on Nov 6, 2009 10:23 PM MST up reply actions  

less workload

I like it a lot, it depends on where you want to go with your degree

Hope got in my eyes

by Andrew Martin on Nov 6, 2009 11:35 PM MST up reply actions  

just swing and make contact.

when contact is made, ball usually goes far.

somebody tell this hitting philosophy to Stewart.

To all of the doubters, to all of the haters, one simple message:
We will be back! Our purple knights will be victorious once again.

by The Lodo Magic Man on Nov 6, 2009 8:18 PM MST up reply actions  

No big surprises today

Webb, Lee, and Manny coming back their current teams, Rockies decline options I thought they would decline, and trades that measure about a one on the rector scale. News but nothing unexpected yet.

I wonder if Bud Selig will give the Yankees a receipt with their World Series purchase

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 6, 2009 9:18 PM MST reply actions  

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