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Jorge De La Rosa might be on the Rockies trade block this winter.

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Jorge De La Rosa might be on the Rockies trade block this winter.

Josh Fogg will not be a part of the Rockies 2010 team, it seems, as the club has told the veteran right hander it's moving in a different direction. Losing Fogg would open another slot on the 40 man roster.

Fox Sports' Ken Rosenthal has a couple of Rockies notes in his latest. The big blip being that Jorge De La Rosa, who will become a free agent after the 2010 season, is looking for a similar contract to the one that the Mets gave to Oliver Perez last winter. If you're going by the quality of their stuff and their maddening inability to be consistent with it, they actually are pretty similar pitchers, so it's not that surprising. Of course, working against JDLR is the fact that Perez' contract is already deemed a bust, and other clubs will be reluctant to make the same mistake that Omar Minaya did. The upshot, however, is that if JDLR's got his eye on free agent riches, it might behoove the Rockies to consider trading him before then, which according to Rosenthal, is exactly what seems to be happening.

He also has a little on the Rafael Betancourt negotiations. Betancourt purportedly turned down a two year extension in the $6.5 to $7 million range. Rosenthal also mentions the well reported likely non-tender of Garrett Atkins, and sees the Phillies as a possible fit for the third baseman.

We're keeping an eye on the list of available free agent hitting talent, as the Giants are either going to have to dip into that pool or give up a hefty chunk of their decent looking future in trade. Right now, from a Rockies centered view, it's looking pretty good for us, bad for them. One key bat that was supposed to be available to keep the cost of other talent down, Bobby Abreu, re-upped with the Angels (mentioned in these DP wire notes) for two more seasons, pretty much limiting the Giants to making really big, long and expensive plays on a Jason Bay or Matt Holliday or taking a lot more risk with an older player such as Jermaine Dye, Carlos Delgado or Vlad Guerrero.

The Diamondbacks are working out a Chris Snyder for Lyle Overbay trade with the Blue Jays.

The Dodgers are looking into extending Joe Torre.

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I'd be more alarmed at the prospect of committing $36M

to a pitcher with a career 4.6BB/9 and only two good seasons of FIP. The Mets can sort of afford that kind of gamble (not really with the kind rampant financial mismanagement of their payroll), but the Rockies probably cannot.

I’d be really curious to see what kind of return he would bring to the Rockies. With so many large budget teams looking for pitching, and left handed always being a commodity, the return could be huge this offseason or next July 31. Ideally, the Rockies could pair up with the Mets and bring back the Scott Kazmir of 2010.

by deacs on Nov 8, 2009 11:54 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

i agree

i dont really want to lose DLR but 3/36 is way too much

by purplesocks on Nov 8, 2009 12:09 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

IMO

his improvement is what happens when you are the prototypical candidate for the pitching coach to show improvement.

With the Rockies, he’s 4.1 BB/9. While still a little high, it is acceptable for a guy that strikes out 9.2/9.

The oxen are slow, but the earth is patient.

by rockieprogress on Nov 8, 2009 12:16 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

The difference would be more pronounced at the deadline...

since pitching is at such a premium then, but in either case JDLR would have more value than Hawpe, except maybe to an AL club using him as a DH.

Note that I’m NOT advocating JDLR because his contributions to the Rockies can not as easily be replaced as Hawpe’s can AND he comes at a cheaper price.

Eschew Obfuscation!

by Jeff Aberle on Nov 8, 2009 1:24 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree in the entirety...

I just wasn’t sure if you meant “only a little” more than Hawpe or if you were purposefully understating the case. Stupid toneless internet dialogue.

I don’t think the team can NOT trade Hawpe this winter, especially with what happened to Atkins last winter. The big thing, as I remember on this site, about Atkins last winter was the home/road splits and that he was tanking against righties.

What happens if Hawpe goes out and hits .220/.290/.390 against lefties this year? BFD if he crushes righties. Branyan would cost $4-5M less. The team has a $10M option for 2011. That obviously doesn’t get picked up, but with his current numbers that option could be a bargain, esp for some AL clubs.

And even if the team is in contention next year, trading DLR shouldn’t be out of the question.

by deacs on Nov 8, 2009 1:43 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

I see Seattle reupping Branyan, at least short tearm (1-2 years)

I don’t see DLR as worth $12M/year either, but we should really put some hard thought into reupping him. Frankly, losing him might sink us to a 3rd place finish in 2010, unless Franklin Morales suddenly steps up his game or we get a surprise contributor via trade.

Hope got in my eyes

by Andrew Martin on Nov 8, 2009 1:48 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

2 good seasons of FIP

but both seasons with Colorado, and almost entirely as a starter. Were we saying “well he had a good FIP in 2006 and then a good FIP in 2009” yeah, I’d be a bit more hesitant, but it seems as if he’s really found something working here. Check back on the last CR about him, he really hit career highs this year.

I’m OK with trusting his FIP the past 2 seasons, because it’s not as if his BABIP was falling off a cliff at like a .235 level or something like that, he’s getting hit a fair amount.

I don’t know. I’m terrible at contract negotiations and trading.

Hope got in my eyes

by Andrew Martin on Nov 8, 2009 1:50 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

I'll take a different tack...

If JdlR initially asks for 3yrs @ $36Mil the first thing I won’t do is scream ZOMG TRADE HIM NOW!!!! I’ll talk to his agent(s), figure out how firm he is on that, figure out his value to the team given our resources plus the market for pitching (which will run a little high) and then I’d negotiate. Definitely no trade this winter as we clearly will need him entering the season next year but we may not by 2011. 3/36 is indeed high but it’s not crazy money. If I’m Dan O’Dowd, I call it a starting point and see where we go.

by Since1993 on Nov 8, 2009 5:25 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

In the words of Ronald Reagan..
“If your opponent asks for the moon, you counteroffer with cheese.”

Start with a Francis-like extension of 4 years $12 million and end somewhere close to Cook’s 3 years $30 million.

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by Charlie77 on Nov 8, 2009 10:57 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

I can't believe we would let DLR go!

unless we get another lefty with his stuff….but it makes me wonder if this isn’t going to be a move to move Morales into the rotation. YIKES!!

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by SDcat09 on Nov 8, 2009 5:55 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

This is actually pretty interesting

as I’m pretty much fine with holding onto JDLR as well as with trading him. We can probably get some good things for JDLR (maybe even package him with Hawpe?). And not to say he hasn’t turned a corner, but I can totally see this being a prime sell-high scenario, and a particularly good time considering the crappy FA pitching scene.

Also, trading JDLR opens up a rotation spot for Rich Harden. woo

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by Resolution on Nov 8, 2009 2:17 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

In play, Out(s)

Coaching visit to the mound

INJURY DELAY******

P Matt Belisle replaces P Rich Harden, batting 9th

(I’m kidding – sort of)

Hope got in my eyes

by Andrew Martin on Nov 8, 2009 2:28 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm totally willing

to live by Rich Harden, and die by him too.

Do either Eric Bedard or John Smoltz strike your fancy?

"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker

by Resolution on Nov 8, 2009 2:34 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Yea kind of agree

The problem with Harden is that his stuff is great, but he rarely pitches deep into games, thus forcing his team to rely heavily on the bullpen. This can cause alot of problems…

by Hizilla on Nov 8, 2009 3:58 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree on this being win-win

I would lie to see a sell-high scenario play out here. Aside for an immediate 2010 rotation need for a similar innings eater he (DLR) becomes expendable in 2011 hopefully with the guys we have coming.

And I would love to see him win 15+ games again next season, but…That’s a propositional bet I wouldn’t take in Vegas.

Got a feeling Josh Fogg may be around in the future, if not is a player capacity. The organization seems to agree with him and people speak highly of his clubhouse presence. Perhaps a job in the player development area is possible.

by El Paso Jeff on Nov 8, 2009 3:15 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

if we can get a good return on him, I won't complain too much

He’s just such an electric pitcher, I don’t want him to go. He brings something to the rotation we just don’t have outside of Ubaldo, and that’s the big Whiff potential

Hope got in my eyes

by Andrew Martin on Nov 8, 2009 3:37 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

If DLR had had a level w/l record last season

We’d have been enjoying a Braves vs Phillies NLDS. I think we have to figure out whether he’s really got it before we ship him, because you can bet your bottom dollar our rivals will be reminding the FO of his pre-Rockies stats when considering a trade.

by biondino on Nov 8, 2009 3:53 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Dragon Slayer gone :(

That was of course going to happen, but it still makes me a little sad.

by Rockie4Ever on Nov 8, 2009 11:59 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

yep

love the guy, but you’d like to think we have better options

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by Rawktober on Nov 8, 2009 1:01 PM MST via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

yeah I saw this and posted it in yesterdays Rockpile thread

I’m sad….:(

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by SDcat09 on Nov 8, 2009 5:56 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

if we don't trade jdlr

and he has a good year and leaves via free agency, would he be a type a free agent? would we get draft picks when he leaves?

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by squalene203 on Nov 8, 2009 12:13 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

Yes.

He already has Type B status. If he leaves, and we offer arbitration, he would most likely be typed.

by mkorpal on Nov 8, 2009 12:22 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Too bad about Fogg

I wonder, if he can’t get anyone to bite in free agency, if the Rockies would consider giving him a job as a special assistant or something. He’s been a credit to the organization as long as he’s been here.

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by wtnelson on Nov 8, 2009 12:59 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

I agree, it's going to be hard to convince a 33 year old that their playing career's at an end, though...

I think Fogg will probably latch onto some second division club on a minor league contract.

by Rox Girl on Nov 8, 2009 1:08 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Another Giants note:

There was an interesting quote in the latest issue of Baseball America by Brian Sabean (subscribers to the website can also find it in the most recent Giants organizational report) in regards to Buster Posey’s chances of starting with the team next season:

“One thing I do know, and I don’t want to say you can get fooled, but I’m learning faster and faster that statistics in the Pacific Coast League (can be) somewhat of a misnomer. It’s a big jump to the big leagues.”

There seems to be a lot of downplaying of expectations going on right now, which I think is intended more for the over enthused fanbase and not a bluff. If Posey’s bat still needs time to mature, San Fran’s going to need a couple of big offensive additions rather than just one to make up the ground they need to on the Dodgers and Rockies.

by Rox Girl on Nov 8, 2009 1:06 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

I'm not sure how to read that quote

is he saying “MOAR AAA FOR POSEY” or is he cautioning fans that “Yeah he wrecked the minors but we’re not sold that he’s gonna wreck the majors”?

Similarly, Matt Wieters wrecked the minors (not really a direct comparison beyond “young catcher who hit very well in the minors and looked somewhat pedestrian in the majors”), and if Sabean’s quote matches up with my latter supposition above, Sabean’s being very wise in not just putting the kid in the 3 hole and expecting Mauer to emerge.

That said, do you think this gets them to re-up Bengie, or seek out someone via FA as a 1 year stopgap/veteran guy like Gregg Zaun or Brad Ausmus (if he doesn’t just retire) or John Buck or someone of similar ilk?

Hope got in my eyes

by Andrew Martin on Nov 8, 2009 1:45 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

The complete quote starts with Sabean saying that he's not sure if Posey's ready for the MLB offensively.

Take that for what you will. I think what the Giants do for their catching situation in the offseason might be telling exactly how much confidence they have in Posey this year. If they do sign a borderline starter type like Zaun or Torrealba it will be a tell over whether they sign a guy like Ausmus who has been mostly a backup the last few seasons.

by Rox Girl on Nov 8, 2009 6:15 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

So if Posey isn't ready..

what does that say about Christian Colonel?

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by Charlie77 on Nov 8, 2009 10:59 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Dear lord

I would feel bad for Yorvit going from this situation to “blocking” Posey. SF fans will make his time here seem like Derek Jeter in NY.

by Teekalong on Nov 9, 2009 12:38 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

It wasn't that long ago that "Bad Jorge" littered the conversation.

I’m thrilled with what he did this past season but if he’s set on 3/36, I’d shop him sooner than later. Waiting until the trade deadline has a damned if you do/damed if you don’t feel to it.

If he’s bad up to the trade deadline, his value goes down. If he’s good at that point, who do you replace him with? We waited on Atkins and his value melted away.

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by pedalpusher on Nov 8, 2009 7:17 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

I also

feel like he’d have more value now than he would at the deadline. Deadline pitchers make what? Like 8-10 starts? Unless they’re guys like CC or Cliff Lee, I feel like pitchers don’t net such solid prospects, especially ones with inconsistent pasts. I could be wrong though…

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by Resolution on Nov 8, 2009 8:12 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

So, there have been no discussions between the parties yet but...

ZOMG TRADE HIM NOW, TRADE HIM BEFORE IT’S TOO LATE!!!!!! Seriously? The sky might not be falling, you may not have to dive under the bed just yet.

by Since1993 on Nov 8, 2009 8:19 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

huh?

"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker

by Resolution on Nov 8, 2009 8:22 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

What I meant upthread is that he'd have incrementally more value at the deadline than Hawpe would as compared to if either were traded now.

JDLR would bring back more if he were traded tomorrow than he would at the deadline, of course.

Eschew Obfuscation!

by Jeff Aberle on Nov 8, 2009 8:24 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

I wonder

If JDLR would have more value than Hawpe at the deadline – I suppose the possible trade-market could further fine-tune this but do pitchers always have more value than hitters at the deadline?

Also, do teams always get a better return on a player if they trade him before the season as opposed to the deadline?
Sometimes I feel like teams are more likely to hit the panic button and give up more in deadline deals (maybe not quantity, but quality)- particularly if the GM is in his last year of a contract or something.

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by Resolution on Nov 8, 2009 8:43 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Basically

A central question is how do other teams view our players – because that really can determine if we should try to trade them now or trade them later.

I don’t necessarily believe that trading the player earlier always gets a higher return. It’s somewhat counter-intuitive because you’d imagine a team would be willing to give up more for a season of Brad Hawpe as opposed to two months. If I remember what the literature on decision-making says, it’s just simply that during times of crisis (crisis can be defined liberally), people become more risk-taking, but otherwise we’re pretty risk-averse. So a team might be more willing to get a deal done in season if their star player just got injured, or similarly a big player on a division rival just got injured. Whereas before the season, unless there’s a clear need for a player, teams may have less reason to try to target a player, which goes back to my first point of how do other teams view our players? I get the impression that other teams aren’t too high on JDLR and Hawpe (both of them are very risky, and the offseason isn’t usually a time of crisis), similarly, if other teams are aware that JDLR will price himself out of CO and that we have a ton of OF depth and don’t need Hawpe, we have no leverage.

"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker

by Resolution on Nov 8, 2009 10:01 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

That was a terrible trade

Gomez is a steaming pile of suck

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by squalene203 on Nov 8, 2009 11:44 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Is that just saying

everyone was aware the Brewers had no need for Hardy and just dealt him for almost nothing?

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by Resolution on Nov 9, 2009 7:50 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

eeeyep

Hope got in my eyes

by Andrew Martin on Nov 9, 2009 9:23 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

got it!

"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker

by Resolution on Nov 9, 2009 9:36 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Right, right.

And I get that. All I’m saying is that Jorge is valuable to US going into 2010 and just because some unnamed source says he’s after Oliver Perez money does not mean we have to move him while we still can. Really, you hope to use your players for the current campaign and not just hold trading chips. I do see what y’all mean about value though.

by Since1993 on Nov 9, 2009 1:17 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Deadline deals

Look back at the blockbuster deadline trades recently. The most impactful ones tend to be involving starting pitchers – Cliff Lee, CC Sabathia, etc. They might make 1/5 the starts a hitter could, but they directly affect an individual game more than 5 times more than a hitter can.

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 8, 2009 8:56 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

well

CC and Lee aren’t just anyone, and Brad Hawpe isn’t on their level.

But, didn’t the Dodgers give up a really good prospect for Casey Blake? I mean, I know Blake has like the best beard in all of baseball but he’s not that great of a player…

"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker

by Resolution on Nov 8, 2009 9:10 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

The Dodgers sent Carlos Santana and a relief prospect

True, CC and Cliff Lee are Cy Young types, but my main point is that a starting pitcher should still get plenty of value in return. Zach Greinke faced 915 batters last year while Albert Pujols had 700 PA. Even though he played 1/5 of the games, the starting pitcher had more PA in which to impose his skill, and that only gets magnified in a playoff series

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 9, 2009 7:21 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Thats a pretty good point

I guess I just doubt that other teams are really high on JDLR…

"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker

by Resolution on Nov 9, 2009 7:54 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

I would agree with this

It would be very difficult to trust he has permanently turned the corner even as a Rockies fan, much less an outsider. That Ollie Perez corollary hurts too. I doubt we’d get what he’s worth, but it may be better than losing him to FA.

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 9, 2009 9:20 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

good point

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by Charlie77 on Nov 9, 2009 12:01 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

how much of that "Bad Jorge" has been

2 innings of 1 hit ball, then he walks a guy and falls behind the next batter 3-1 and everyone screams “BAD JORGE GO HOME”

Hope got in my eyes

by Andrew Martin on Nov 8, 2009 9:35 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think anyone's screaming "Dump Bad Jorge".

Everyone just loves his second half. I just don’t think a 3/36 deal makes sense with our other upcoming arms.

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by pedalpusher on Nov 9, 2009 8:54 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

True enough

I simply don’t see our upcoming arms matching Jorge’s impact in the next 2 years.

Hope got in my eyes

by Andrew Martin on Nov 9, 2009 9:24 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Well, let's put our faith in the market economy.

If Jorge isn’t worth 3/36 to us, would anyone give him that kinda cash? Even close?

by biondino on Nov 9, 2009 9:43 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

well that's just it

the mets are made of stupid contracts and need pitching, they gave Ollie Perez 3/36 for the love of pete, and that was just last offseason, and he’s turrrrrrible

Hope got in my eyes

by Andrew Martin on Nov 9, 2009 9:45 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

I'd love to see a 2 year deal with a club option 3rd. And until someone tells me to shut up,

or he signs elsewhere, I’ll say again that I’d try to work out the same kind of deal with Jon Garland, providing the per year freight wasn’t out of line.

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by pedalpusher on Nov 9, 2009 9:55 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

well, for the same reason you don't want to give Jorge 3/36

I don’t see giving Garland anything more than 1 year being wise for us, for the reasons you cited.

The difference between the two is that I can see some combo of Morales/Chacin/Rogers/Deduno/Pedro Martinez providing a similar or better value than Garland, but I can’t see any of them providing similar/better than Jorge.

(kidding about Pedro)

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by Andrew Martin on Nov 9, 2009 10:08 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

hey, if we could get Garland for one year, that would be great. Just not sure that would happen.

And I’m not just real concerned about our starters. My only concern about Jorge (assuming his resigning value is out of line for us) is that we hold him for too long and then get virtually nothing for him a la G. Atkins.

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by pedalpusher on Nov 9, 2009 3:08 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

That's always the concern

It’s becoming an issue of being the A’s/Marlins, or being….uh….like another team

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by Andrew Martin on Nov 9, 2009 4:44 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

I would be against trading JDLR

I think he is too much a part of our 2010 plans to trade him away because he want’s 3/36. I would rather take one more year of his service and the draft picks we would get in return if we lose him to FA. As Resolution has mentioned I don’t think other teams would think JDLR is as valuable as the Rockies do.

Out of curiosity though, what do you think we could get if we packaged JDLR and Hawpe together in a trade?

I wonder if Bud Selig will give the Yankees a receipt with their World Series purchase

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 9, 2009 9:56 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

I also think he's very likely to put up considerably worse W/L numbers than last season

So he might be at the peak of his negotiating powers now. So, let’s wait.

by biondino on Nov 9, 2009 10:00 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

If only we could ask such a question.

All in due time, I hope.

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by Russ Oates on Nov 9, 2009 10:13 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

I've been hired by the Rockies

they love my SABR stuff so much they’re going to give me a big sack of money on a bi-weekly basis. And a car. And season tickets for my family.

and coffee

Hope got in my eyes

by Andrew Martin on Nov 9, 2009 10:58 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Today is not April Fools.

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by Russ Oates on Nov 9, 2009 11:07 AM MST via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

can I come with?

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by Resolution on Nov 9, 2009 11:09 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

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by Mondogarage on Nov 9, 2009 11:09 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

mmhhh..Unagi

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by Charlie77 on Nov 9, 2009 12:03 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

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by Andrew Martin on Nov 9, 2009 12:08 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

I've been wondering about packaging them together too

Again we’re coming from a position of weakness here in that teams are somewhat aware that have strong reason to deal these two guys. Also, JDLR is extremely unestablished, and Hawpe is established but plays for the Rockies so teams would downgrade his expected production.

The Mets would be a pretty ideal trade partner for this package but I’m not sure if they have too much we would want. The Angels also could be interesting and could use Hawpe at DH, but they’re always reluctant to part with prospects. Lastly the Rangers seem rather good too in that they are in the AL, have starting/DH needs, a strong farm system, and are “a few pieces away” from playoff contention…

"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker

by Resolution on Nov 9, 2009 10:13 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree with your assessment

How much do you think it would take to pry Ian Kinsler out of Texas?

I wonder if Bud Selig will give the Yankees a receipt with their World Series purchase

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 9, 2009 10:23 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

What might have been

I wonder if Bud Selig will give the Yankees a receipt with their World Series purchase

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 9, 2009 10:33 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Enough

to damage our chances at winning both short-term and long-term.

Kinsler is a top talent who’s signed at a reasonable price through 2013 (aka his prime years).

He’d look so good in purple and black though. Bummer.

"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker

by Resolution on Nov 9, 2009 10:32 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

The reason why I ask is because Texas has been known to make some very stupid trades

That’s why I would like them as a trading partner.

I wonder if Bud Selig will give the Yankees a receipt with their World Series purchase

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 9, 2009 10:36 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

I feel like they've gotten smarter recently

Did they change GM’s or philosophy or something? Because they definitely were a stupid franchise a few seasons ago…

"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker

by Resolution on Nov 9, 2009 10:42 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Hope got in my eyes

by Andrew Martin on Nov 9, 2009 10:44 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

You're right

they have just become bullies since he took over!

"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker

by Resolution on Nov 9, 2009 10:47 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

kick the tires on everybody

then sign felipe lopez

Hope got in my eyes

by Andrew Martin on Nov 9, 2009 10:42 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Sounds like a plan

I wonder if Bud Selig will give the Yankees a receipt with their World Series purchase

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 9, 2009 10:47 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

hifive

Hope got in my eyes

by Andrew Martin on Nov 9, 2009 10:52 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

^5

I wonder if Bud Selig will give the Yankees a receipt with their World Series purchase

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 9, 2009 10:54 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Let me reiterate...

That was an unnamed source that said Jorge wanted 3/36. Crimany it could’ve been the same guy that had us trading for Freddy Sanchez or some dude who was getting his brakes fixed by a guy who used to know Omar Minaya’s housekeeper’s sister.

by Since1993 on Nov 9, 2009 11:53 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

I still wonder if that rumor influenced the pitcher the Giants were willing to give up for Sanchez

If it was an interested party letting on that the Rockies could be interested (it didn’t necessarily have to be from the Colorado F.O., the Dodgers might be culpable as well) just so the Giants would up the ante.

by Rox Girl on Nov 9, 2009 4:58 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

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