Tuesday Rockpile: Arbitration offer deadline is today - Rockies to decide on Betancourt

by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 1, 2009 7:08 AM MST in Rockpile Comment 157 comments

It is December 1, meaning today is the deadline for teams to offer arbitration, at least to qualify for draft pick compensation. Betancourt is likely the only Rockie to receive salary arbitration offer, writes Troy Renck, leaving Joe Beimel, Jason Marquis and Yorvit Torrealba free. Betancourt is a no-brainer. If he accepts arbitration, he'll make less than he would have made had the Rockies exercised his option, but if he declines and signs elsewhere, the Rockies will receive two high and shiny draft picks. Also, as WolfMarauder noted, Troy Renck also suggests the Rockies are interested in Fernando Tatis, Bobby Crosby, Rich Aurilia, Justin Duchsherer and Miguel Batista.

On a national scale, MLBTradeRumors has spent time inquiring the minds of beat writers everywhere to compile his Arbitration Offer Predictions For Free Agents.

Two highlights from FOX Sports Offseason Buzz: the Rockies will likely keep Ryan Spilborghs and the Diamondbacks are looking at improving via trade rather than free agency.

The Rockies received their postseason share (Renck). Their share of the player's pool totaled over $1.77mil. Just as the Rockies did with the family of Mike Coolbaugh, the Angels awarded a full share to the family of Nick Adenhart.

Samuel Deduno is a hot name on Rockies' farm (Harding). The 26-year old could be a strong dark horse to join the bullpen next season if the cards fall right.

Thomas Harding also writes that "about 200" broadcasters have applied for the job to replace Jeff Kingery in the radio booth. The club will decide sometime in "early 2010," which only tells us they are handing it out as a holiday gift.

Speaking of broadcasters, Chip Caray is out at TBS, a divorce reported as mutual. Hat tip to RhodeIslandRoxFan

It is certainly a bleak year for free agent pitching. The Hardball Times searched for someone to best compare top free agent John Lackey to, and you might like the comparison. Click under the fold to find out:

Clone Wars: John Lackey and Jason Hammel
That's right, Jason Hammel.

W ERA K BB WHIP K/9 BB/9 GB% HR/FB% FIP BABIP
John Lackey 11 3.83 139 47 1.27 7.09 2.40 44.9% 9.1% 3.73 0.309
Jason Hammel 10 4.33 133 42 1.39 6.78 2.14 46.2% 9.7% 3.71 0.337

Granted, the author isn't saying Hammel is as good of a bet to best Lackey next season, but for your value either in a fantasy draft pick or salary dollar, which pitcher would you rather have?

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Arbitration to Marquis

Curious why we would not offer arbitration to Marquis. If there was prior discussion on this would someone point me to it. Thanks

TGFPR!!

by jlot10 on Dec 1, 2009 8:00 AM MST reply actions 0 recs

Because we can't afford him

So if he accepted, even the best case scenario would be too costly for the Rockies. Also, he’s a type B free agent, so we don’t miss out on compensation picks if we don’t offer arb (unlike Betancourt, who we can afford regardless of the result of arbitration, but if we lose him – a type A free agent – we get the compensation picks).

by biondino on Dec 1, 2009 8:08 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs

Teams

miss out on a supplemental pick if they don’t offer arbitration to a Type B.

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by Russ Oates on Dec 1, 2009 8:27 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs

Ahh. Okay, my mistake, sorry about that.

by biondino on Dec 1, 2009 8:40 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs

SBN Baseball

is holding its own Hall of Fame voting. I doubt I’ll put more than five names on the ballot.

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by Russ Oates on Dec 1, 2009 8:34 AM MST reply actions 0 recs

Gonna put the Cat?

by controlled_slide on Dec 1, 2009 9:15 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs

Probably.

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by Russ Oates on Dec 1, 2009 9:17 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs

Who is eligible to vote?

TGFPR!!

by jlot10 on Dec 1, 2009 10:35 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs

Two from each site.

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by Russ Oates on Dec 1, 2009 10:44 AM MST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs

interesting

Hope got in my eyes

by Andrew Martin on Dec 1, 2009 1:24 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

How are the two chosen?

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by Charlie77 on Dec 1, 2009 3:47 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

Deathmatch

Two men enter, one man leaves

by controlled_slide on Dec 1, 2009 3:51 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

Can’t we just get beyond thunderdome?

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by frightenedinmate#2 on Dec 1, 2009 4:11 PM MST up reply actions 2 recs

Overlooked

And rec’d.

by Muzia on Dec 1, 2009 5:49 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

FI2 is sneaky good at those posts

Hope got in my eyes

by Andrew Martin on Dec 1, 2009 6:03 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

Then how did Russ win?

If there was a PR deathmatch I would place money on Silverblood, or LDMM. Those two seem to have the biggest temper here.

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by Charlie77 on Dec 1, 2009 4:13 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

If by "temper" you mean "post count"

then possibly

in real life I’m actually a super nice person

seriously stop laughing, I am

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by Silverblood on Dec 1, 2009 4:20 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

Serious answer:

The one who signed an agreement and the one who started the blog.

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by Russ Oates on Dec 1, 2009 8:16 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

I disagree with PF and several of you about Betancourt...

As I’ve outlined, the precedent is there (Darren Oliver) for Betancourt to make as much as $6.4 million through arbitration, more than the option or quite frankly what he’s likely to receive in free agency due to his Type A status.

Given this, Betancourt will probably accept arbitration if it is offered to him and he will get paid more than I’m comfortable with. A lot more.

Eschew Obfuscation!

by Jeff Aberle on Dec 1, 2009 8:45 AM MST reply actions 0 recs

I also am not convinced

that arbitration will result in a lower cost than the option year. However, I give DOD the benefit of the doubt.

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by Rawktober on Dec 1, 2009 8:58 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs

Perhaps the silver lining (if you're in the same boat as me)

is that “wasting” money on Betancourt will provide added incentive to drop Atkins (I guess this is already a foregone conclusion), and trade Hawpe…

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by Resolution on Dec 1, 2009 11:18 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs

I'm fine with it

if DOD’s gambit “fails” and we end up paying Betancourt a million more than the option, so be it. I doubt that million will be put to immediately better use elsewhere. This team is in a contending window, and should not nickel-and-dime, especially considering the fact that Buck and Corpas are hardly locks to be great next year considering injuries. I want this dude back, and I could live with the draft picks. The only unaccepatable result is if he walks for nothing. And as noted above, there are other, easier, more competitive ways to shed cash.

by Teekalong on Dec 1, 2009 12:14 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

I'm not really too down

with paying like 13 mil to two relievers or whatever. But I will say that if there is any season to do that, it’s looking like the 2010 season as our expected bullpen reinforcements might not really be all good to go until 2011…

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by Resolution on Dec 1, 2009 12:19 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

I definitely understand

those who are wary of overpaying relievers, obviously its a fickle position and an easy place to waste money.

But I’ve also been a fan of this team when it could never get an out, and there is nothing in baseball worse than bullpen implosions (except maybe not driving in runs from 3rd with less than 2 outs, but whatever). While I don’t think Betancourt has elite stuff, he has pinpoint control and nerves of steel, and assuming he brings next year what he brought this year, you really can’t overpay for that. (And I like draft picks too.)

by Teekalong on Dec 1, 2009 12:29 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

I agree

I think this is about minimizing the worst case scenario. By not offering arb the worst case is that we don’t resign him for a lower price and he walks for nothing; if we do offer arb, the worst case scenario is that he makes about a million more than he did last year.

I wonder if Bud Selig will give the Yankees a receipt with their World Series purchase

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 1, 2009 12:20 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

Exactly

In my mind, we have now eliminated the only unacceptable result – and the only result that likely harms us on the field. The remaining results, in my mind, help the team competitively.

by Teekalong on Dec 1, 2009 12:30 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

Good reasoning, and something that I can get behind.

Although I’m not sure that Betancourt is the best reliever out there for a similar price, he’ll do next year. Colorado has done well hedging its bets—and while I don’t necessarily agree with the player involved, I do like the principle of the thing.

Eschew Obfuscation!

by Jeff Aberle on Dec 1, 2009 2:48 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

The Rockies have an influx..

of minor league starters who could step into the BP and contribute right away.. Combine that with the track record DOD has in acquiring BP depth over the years (Herges, Grilli, Fogg, Street) and I think there is a case for letting Raffie go.

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by Charlie77 on Dec 1, 2009 4:00 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

Not sure I dig your examples here

Betancourt is a high leverage inning guy. From your examples, nobody really compares, other than Street, and considering what we gave up to get him I wouldn’t exactly classify that as repeatable. Herges, Grilli and Fogg do not belong in the same conversation, why not throw in Peralta and Rincon? I have no doubt we can find some 5th/6th inning guys if we need them.

by Teekalong on Dec 1, 2009 6:15 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

Herges was a stud in 2007..

with a 5-1 record 2.96 ERA and 2.00 SO/BB ratio. In 2008 Grilli was the vogue pickup by DOD and he posted his lowest career numbers in Colorado with a 2.93 ERA and a 1.90 SO/BB ratio. Then last year Betancourt posted his best numbers since ’07 and the 2nd best of his career 1.78 ERA (compared to 3.16 career) and a SO/BB ratio of 5.80 (compared to a career 3.88).

He’s got the track record, why not let DOD roll the dice again?

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by Charlie77 on Dec 1, 2009 9:54 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

Bobby Crosby and Justin Duchscherer?

Guess we have to complete our collection of crappy ex-A’s. I would have taken Duke in a heartbeat a few years ago, now not so sure.

As for Crosby…. do we really need another version of Barmes?

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by Silverblood on Dec 1, 2009 9:10 AM MST reply actions 0 recs

I'm okay with Duchsersetysw5rsee

that way we have two Francis-sized question marks at the start of the season.

by Muzia on Dec 1, 2009 9:28 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs

I sure agree on Crosby

Can he do anything more at this point in his career than Q?

Crosby is defense-only & not an everyday player anymore.

Q’s a free agent, too, & could probably be re-siged for less than Crosby.

Not that I’m in favor of that. With Barmes, we already have one defensive specialist.

I don’t think we need another one of those. I’d rather see Tatis in the back-up
infielder role.

by 6161Maris on Dec 1, 2009 11:20 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs

The only thing he can do

aside from defense is provide some right handed pop off the bench, presumably away from Coors, which would be the only thing he could do over Barmes and Q. Don’t know if this justifies it, but w.e

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by Resolution on Dec 1, 2009 11:48 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs

Any chance Crosby could be better with

1) A change of scenery (Just starting over with a new team)
2) Getting out of the A’s putrid lineup
3) Going from one of the worst hitters parks in baseball to one of the best.

I wonder if Bud Selig will give the Yankees a receipt with their World Series purchase

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 1, 2009 1:12 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah maybe

but where’s he going to play? We’ve already got Tulo and Barmes (o boi) signed or soon to be signed, and since Q’s playing time is vanishingly small as it is and that’s essentially the role that Crosby would occupy, it seems there’s got to be a better option out there.

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by Silverblood on Dec 1, 2009 1:42 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

Unless

Tracy got cute and decided to try a Crosby Experiment… yikes.

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by Silverblood on Dec 1, 2009 1:42 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

I guess not

as long as that was all he was.

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by Silverblood on Dec 1, 2009 2:32 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

"well, we'd start stewart, but he's only batting .240 right now"

“and Crosby is batting .255”

Hope got in my eyes

by Andrew Martin on Dec 1, 2009 4:47 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

Jason Grilli'

latest update:

Contract sent out.Irony is the team I signed with could still lose me.Rule 5 draft is coming up. I like where I am at but out of my control.

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by Russ Oates on Dec 1, 2009 9:15 AM MST reply actions 0 recs

Marquis offered arb...

Tracy Ringolsby reports here

I got nothing.

by nkrause on Dec 1, 2009 9:31 AM MST reply actions 0 recs

As well as Betancourt (no surprise)...

but thought Marquis being offered was interesting.

I got nothing.

by nkrause on Dec 1, 2009 9:32 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs

I actually agree with DOD on both decisions

I wonder if Bud Selig will give the Yankees a receipt with their World Series purchase

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 1, 2009 12:32 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

likewise

Hope got in my eyes

by Andrew Martin on Dec 1, 2009 1:26 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

I'm okay with Marquis actually, because he's much less likely to accept...

and we’ll see with Betancourt.

Eschew Obfuscation!

by Jeff Aberle on Dec 1, 2009 9:37 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs

The offer to Marquis seems to be a gamble

that he won’t accept and signs with another team, offering should make it more likely that another team picks him up.

The fact the signing team does not lose a draft choice of its own means teams will not shy away from signing Marquis even though he ahs been offered arbitration.

I’m really hope the gamble with Betancourt works out in the Rockies favor.

by phishbate on Dec 1, 2009 9:40 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs

I really see the Betancourt one working out

The Marquis one doesn’t really seem like much of a gamble to me. He will sign a decent 2-3 year deal with some foolish team that will fall short of the postseason. (And also resides in New York, has terribly incompetent ownership, is a trainwreck…)

by Muzia on Dec 1, 2009 9:53 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs

oh yeah, not saying it's a huge gamble

just saying that o’dowd must be pretty certain about him getting a deal to offer Marquis arbitration when all indications before today were that he wouldn’t receive an offer

by phishbate on Dec 1, 2009 10:03 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs

Are you sure they will fall short of the postseason

Every team he’s been with has made the playoffs :-)

I wonder if Bud Selig will give the Yankees a receipt with their World Series purchase

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 1, 2009 12:30 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

And you just can’t put a dollar amount on that kind of mojo!

by Nominal Egg on Dec 1, 2009 12:35 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

All good points.

I retract my previous statement.

by Muzia on Dec 1, 2009 12:52 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

Oh no I agree with your statement

I think Met incompetence trumps Marquis mojo. I think it’s just fun to see a situation where something has to give

I wonder if Bud Selig will give the Yankees a receipt with their World Series purchase

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 1, 2009 1:01 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

The Mets will try though

I wonder if Bud Selig will give the Yankees a receipt with their World Series purchase

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 1, 2009 1:01 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

So if another team signs Marquis

we get a sandwich pick but the team that signs him dosn’t lose a pick?

I wonder if Bud Selig will give the Yankees a receipt with their World Series purchase

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 1, 2009 12:27 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

Correctamundo

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by Mondogarage on Dec 1, 2009 12:29 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

Very interesting

As most, I assume he’ll get a deal elsewhere and this will net us a draft pick, but you never know. May be that his arb number will be bigger than what he can get on a 2 year deal in the market. If he comes back, I guess not the end of the world, we let him duke it out with Francis and whoever else for that 5th spot, though hopefully this has no implications on DOD’s plans for DLR.

by Teekalong on Dec 1, 2009 12:18 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

Brian Schneider won't be our backup C...

see here

I got nothing.

by nkrause on Dec 1, 2009 10:35 AM MST reply actions 0 recs

Noooooooooo

Now that he’s leaving NY, I won’t get to see his crappy commercials telling me to buy a Toyota on SNY.

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by Resolution on Dec 1, 2009 10:41 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs

I was

thisclose to buying . . . nah, I wasn’t.

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by Russ Oates on Dec 1, 2009 10:43 AM MST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs

Wow

The Yankees recived 21.2 million in playoff shares for torturing fans of the other 29 team’s fans for a month. That’s disgusting!!!

I wonder if Bud Selig will give the Yankees a receipt with their World Series purchase

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 1, 2009 1:09 PM MST reply actions 0 recs

I think it is hugely fantastic that the Angels included a share for Adenhardt.

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by pedalpusher on Dec 1, 2009 3:11 PM MST reply actions 0 recs

pfft. copycats

Winners never quit, and quitters never win. But if you never quit *and* never win, you are an idiot

by squalene203 on Dec 1, 2009 3:31 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

The Angels have treated the Adenhart situation with class..

all year long. Seeing the impromptu memorial at Angels Stadium this season was emotional.

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by Charlie77 on Dec 1, 2009 4:08 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

Am I the first one to get to this?

BA’s Top 10 Rox prospects.

Yep, we crushed that 2009 draft.

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by Franchise26 on Dec 1, 2009 4:14 PM MST reply actions 0 recs

So BA thinks Hawpe will still be on the team in 2013

That’s interesting

I love looking at BA’s projected lineup three or four years down the road and comparing the actual 09 lineup to the projected lineup from three or four years ago

I wonder if Bud Selig will give the Yankees a receipt with their World Series purchase

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 1, 2009 4:26 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

Odd

since its Ringolsby that does the Rockies for BA.

by Hizilla on Dec 1, 2009 5:37 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

Odd that Rosario is ranked so highly..

and CDI is rated as the starting catcher for 2013. He might not even be the starter in 2010.

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by Charlie77 on Dec 1, 2009 5:53 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

i would bet more money on iannetta being the main starter in April

Than any player not named troy or Todd. With hawpe’s situation up in the air, I don’t think any OF can be set in stone. There’s just no competition on the roster, and they aren’t looking for any. Ringolsby has always loved rosario

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 1, 2009 6:06 PM MST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs

I don't see how we can't chisel Gonzalez in RF or CF

Hope got in my eyes

by Andrew Martin on Dec 1, 2009 6:07 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

cuase

with Fowler and Hawpe he might be a LF’er?

by Redhawk on Dec 1, 2009 6:11 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

ok, so nailing him down for just being a starting OF

my point was that after batting like .742 during the playoffs I can’t see how we don’t start him

Hope got in my eyes

by Andrew Martin on Dec 1, 2009 6:26 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

I love that MLB.com still has his picture up on their homepage

noting that he has the highest batting average of anyone in the playoffs

I wonder if Bud Selig will give the Yankees a receipt with their World Series purchase

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 1, 2009 7:07 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

oh he will be a starter

But without knowing what hawpe will be doing, I feel more confident in iannetta being the starting catcher than cargo being the starter in rf alone.

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 2, 2009 12:42 PM MST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs

Stewart's a safe bet at third too

but it’s close

I wonder if Bud Selig will give the Yankees a receipt with their World Series purchase

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 1, 2009 7:07 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

Mebbe...

We trade him this winter and grab him back as a FA when the Toddfather takes his leave. Channeling Judy Tenuda: “It could happen!”

by Since1993 on Dec 1, 2009 9:29 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

no thanks.

i’d much rather have a above replacement level first baseman after todd leaves.

by Jim Jiminez on Dec 2, 2009 8:20 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs

*an

by Jim Jiminez on Dec 2, 2009 8:20 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs

this post confuses me

Hope got in my eyes

by Andrew Martin on Dec 2, 2009 9:48 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs

he suggested we re-sign hawpe to play 1st base after todd leaves (i think)

and i said that i’d rather have someone who is going to be above replacement level in 2013, which i highly doubt will be true of hawpe.

by Jim Jiminez on Dec 2, 2009 2:57 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

ah

what makes you think he’ll be that bad

Hope got in my eyes

by Andrew Martin on Dec 2, 2009 3:48 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

well

a) he’s not that good now
b) he’ll be 34
c) he’ll likely be playing a position he hasn’t played since college

by Jim Jiminez on Dec 2, 2009 6:44 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

a) RF is not 1B
b) true enough
c) how do you know he’s terrible at 1B? We know he’s miserable in RF, but he’d probably be more passable at 1B.

That said, I don’t doubt he’ll be somewhat poor, but I seriously doubt below replacement

Hope got in my eyes

by Andrew Martin on Dec 3, 2009 8:37 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs

eh, maybe around replacement level

by Jim Jiminez on Dec 3, 2009 10:39 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs

oops didn't finish that post...

he might be around replacement level (i mean he was only 1.3 WAR this year, and i don’t see that going up), but probably wont be worth what he’s getting paid. Furthermore, it goes against the Rockies’ philosophy of not overpaying for veterans at the tail end of their careers. Also, I would really hope that given the organization’s ability to draft, they’d be able to find a cheaper, better replacement by then.

by Jim Jiminez on Dec 3, 2009 10:41 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs

stands to reason, yeah

Hope got in my eyes

by Andrew Martin on Dec 3, 2009 11:16 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs

friedrich's last name is misspelled four times

And spelled corerectly once

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 1, 2009 6:03 PM MST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs

I gotta say, that 2013 lineup could be pretty juicy. Especially the rotation.

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by squalene203 on Dec 1, 2009 6:12 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

No way JDLR is still around in 2013

Zero percent chance.

by Muzia on Dec 1, 2009 6:20 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

yeah I don't see it either

but better than Zero percent chance

Hope got in my eyes

by Andrew Martin on Dec 1, 2009 6:27 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

2%, Tops

by Muzia on Dec 1, 2009 6:32 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

Is that more or less likely

than his chances of winning 16 games this year after starting 0-6 :-)

I wonder if Bud Selig will give the Yankees a receipt with their World Series purchase

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 1, 2009 7:10 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

winning 16 games this year after starting 0-6

is precisely how I would define JDLR. A lefty with amazing stuff staying in our rotation for another 3 seasons, 2 of which are in FA? Doubtful to say the least…

by Muzia on Dec 1, 2009 7:29 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

Couple of interesting things in that article

Makes us wonder, since Bill Schmidt is pegged as a conservative drafter, did having the 32nd and 34th picks really influence us to take Matzek? Makes you wonder if we would have drafted someone else had we not had those picks…

I also thought it was interesting that Kent Matthes was our top ranked power hitter and not Kiel Roling…

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by Resolution on Dec 1, 2009 6:12 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

It's possible that Matzek, if he blossoms

could become one of the biggest steals of the draft in recent memory. (For where he was picked) I know many teams were concerned about his price but lefties with his upside are very very rare. I couldn’t believe he made it all the way down to us.

I wonder if Bud Selig will give the Yankees a receipt with their World Series purchase

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 1, 2009 7:20 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

I dunno

Matzek will have to compete with Friedrich for that honor

DOD FTW

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by Resolution on Dec 1, 2009 7:32 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

Also interesting that seven of the eight

everyday starters in the 2013 lineup are on the team now.

I wonder if Bud Selig will give the Yankees a receipt with their World Series purchase

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 1, 2009 7:21 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

Herrera?

Didn’t know he was still around?

by mkorpal on Dec 1, 2009 7:27 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

I'm baffled that he's the best defender in the inside

Hope got in my eyes

by Andrew Martin on Dec 1, 2009 7:29 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

infield, I'm good at this

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by Andrew Martin on Dec 1, 2009 7:29 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

That Tulo is a f'n wicked Sam linebacker

in case you were wondering

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by Silverblood on Dec 1, 2009 7:43 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

If he's the Sam, then who's playing Mike?

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by Charlie77 on Dec 1, 2009 10:21 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

Barmes?

uhhh…. yeah, not quite the right type of guy. Maybe Helton. Barmes can be Will.

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by Silverblood on Dec 1, 2009 10:24 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

Someone please tell me a bit about Nolan Arenado

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by pedalpusher on Dec 1, 2009 8:30 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

http://thebaseballcube.com/players/A/Nolan-Arenado.shtml

by WolfMarauder on Dec 1, 2009 8:37 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

thanks

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by pedalpusher on Dec 1, 2009 8:40 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

Sorry, it's not really a lot of great info.

Plus, it’s sloppily put together. Two “Power” rankings.

by WolfMarauder on Dec 1, 2009 8:43 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

Rockies are considering Crosby for backup IF and filling in for Stewart at 3B if he struggles...

… as well as Noah Lowry on a minor league contract. They’ll also look into bringing back Hawkins if Betancourt doesn’t come back.

by WolfMarauder on Dec 1, 2009 7:49 PM MST reply actions 0 recs

I'm all about Noah Lowry MLC

I felt bad for that guy, a good season or two, then just broke.

Most brimmed cap ever.

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by Andrew Martin on Dec 1, 2009 7:54 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

Plus he's Danny Haren's best friend

so he’ll know how to destroy him?

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by Silverblood on Dec 1, 2009 7:56 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

let's just get Danny Haren too

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by Andrew Martin on Dec 2, 2009 9:49 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs

I guess the one question is

how much would Crosby cost as compared to Q or someone like Q?

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by Resolution on Dec 1, 2009 7:59 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

You also have to ask how much more (or less, though that would be hard to do) valuable he would be.

A slightly greater cost than Q might be justified if he would provide more value (i.e., could play more positions, etc.).

by holly96 on Dec 1, 2009 8:05 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

Crosby is going to be more of a corner IF than a middle IF for us.

He’s not really replacing Q, it’s more like he’s replacing Atkins.

by WolfMarauder on Dec 1, 2009 8:06 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

Speaking like he's already signed.

He WOULD be replacing Atkins.

by WolfMarauder on Dec 1, 2009 8:06 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

Also,

If we sign Crosby, does that mean there’s no room for Jason Giambi?

"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker

by Resolution on Dec 1, 2009 8:09 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

We're not even really targeting Giambi at this point.

by WolfMarauder on Dec 1, 2009 8:10 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

BOO

"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker

by Resolution on Dec 1, 2009 8:10 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

I disagree entirely.

Price isn’t worth the performance.

by WolfMarauder on Dec 1, 2009 8:11 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

Oh we don't disagree on what's best for the team

clearly it’s better to pay less money for a guy who’s going to be more useful to us – which Crosby certainly (theoretically) will be.

I just like seeing Giambi and Helton together on the bench

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--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker

by Resolution on Dec 1, 2009 8:12 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

When they're

comparing facial hair styles?

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by Russ Oates on Dec 1, 2009 8:17 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

Well, lets just put it this way

Giambi ended up carrying me in my NL-only Grizzled-veteran fantasy league…

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by Resolution on Dec 1, 2009 8:20 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

We can afford to let Giambi go..

if he leaves the thong.

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by Charlie77 on Dec 1, 2009 10:22 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

what is the pricetag on Giambi

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by Andrew Martin on Dec 2, 2009 9:49 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs

How many Crosbies

could we sign with what Giambi wants?

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by Russ Oates on Dec 1, 2009 8:10 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

I'll tell you one thing

The whole (Giambi) is greater than the parts (hundreds of Crosby’s)

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by Resolution on Dec 1, 2009 8:11 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

I think Crosby would be FAR more useful to the team than Giambi would.

by WolfMarauder on Dec 1, 2009 8:12 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

Sorry

I should be clearer, (or more cognizant of the internet masking facetiousness) I totally like Giambi as a Rockie, but in terms of making the team better – Crosby wins easily.

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by Resolution on Dec 1, 2009 8:17 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

Crosby

doesn’t have a golden thong . . . as far as I know.

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by Russ Oates on Dec 1, 2009 8:14 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

He does

it’s just made of pirite.

Accept no imitations.

"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
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by Resolution on Dec 1, 2009 8:15 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

Yippiee

Over 100 comments in the Rockpile. Havn’t seen that in a while

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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 1, 2009 8:45 PM MST reply actions 0 recs

Busy day with the arbitration deadline.

It’ll pick up again next Monday-Thursday for the Winter Meetings and the Rule 5 draft.

by WolfMarauder on Dec 1, 2009 8:53 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

we'll probably have Winter Meeting threads

I’ll be all over the place

Hope got in my eyes

by Andrew Martin on Dec 2, 2009 9:50 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs

We had one last Monday, the 23rd.

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by Russ Oates on Dec 1, 2009 8:57 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

8 days is the biggest gap I've seen since I've been here

I wonder if Bud Selig will give the Yankees a receipt with their World Series purchase

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 1, 2009 9:12 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

You should have been around in 06

Game threads would get something like 20 comments total

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by Silverblood on Dec 1, 2009 10:07 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

If only I had a time machine

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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 1, 2009 10:23 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

If you ever get one than I'm totally stealing it

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by Silverblood on Dec 1, 2009 10:24 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

And do what

meet your boy William the Conqueror? :-)

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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 1, 2009 11:40 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

I kind of think I wouldn't really enjoy actually meeting him

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by Silverblood on Dec 1, 2009 11:57 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

I'd steal it after you

and then try to change the past

and find out the depressing stuff just happens one way or another

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by Andrew Martin on Dec 2, 2009 9:50 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs

Look into

the archives.

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by Russ Oates on Dec 1, 2009 10:24 PM MST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs

I have and they are actually kind of funny

I love the ones from 05 where game threads were like eight comments of RoxGirl talking to herself. I wonder if she believed back then that this site could become what it has.

It’s also neat to see to read through the archives and see when regulars first joined and wonder about what happened to people who were regulars during the dark ages and didn’t stick around to see what the site has become.

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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 1, 2009 11:49 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs