Yorvit walks away???

by lizardlad01 on Dec 10, 2009 2:13 AM MST

I'll be a bit disappointed if the Rockies and Torrelaba split up over $500K according to this article. Personally, I think the Rockies would be doing a disservice to their fans, themselves and the players if they don't agree to it. Yorvit is offering quite a discount for a very serviceable platoon back-up player.

. Seriously, the Rockies are getting a heck of a deal for a starting/back-up catcher if all Yorvit is asking is $5.5 for two years. Just look at his competition. At minimum he should recieve a payday bigger than Schneider, Castro, Molina and AJ. However, I'll be amaze if he get Mauer's Money

*Disclosure: Yorvit is my most favorite Rockies catcher other than Iannetta. I still would like Chris being the starter though.*

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$5 million over two years is maybe a little more than a backup catcher should be paid IMO...

but if you’re going to pay a backup well, it should probably be the catcher, as backup catchers get relatively more PAs than other positional backups (outside of a platoon situation).

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by Jeff Aberle on Dec 10, 2009 10:00 AM MST reply actions

I agree with you...but

a lot of teams are already doing it already. A $5.5M/2year contract has a relatively minimal amount of risk for both parties. Besides, in the very likely scenario come the July 2010 trade deadline, we could get some prospects for Yorvit if Iannetta just blow people away.

Non sequitor prediction: The catching market for MLB will heat up a lot in July 2010.

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by lizardlad01 on Dec 10, 2009 2:03 PM MST up reply actions

Just because everyone else is doing it doesn't mean the Rockies should

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by Jeff Aberle on Dec 10, 2009 4:05 PM MST up reply actions

MMmhh

That’s a good point jabberwocky. However, I don’t think we are spending $3M on mediocre back-up catcher. We are paying for three things with Yorvit
1 “quality back-up” to Ianetta
2 consistent offense
3 working with the latino pitchers

P.S.
I’m not advocating we spend any more than $5.5M for Torreabla. I think Ianetta should be able to breakthrough this year, plus with his contract, he is secured in his ‘psyche’. The starting catching job is his to lose.

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by lizardlad01 on Dec 11, 2009 2:34 AM MST up reply actions

RE Point 3

Go look at the OPS Against for Jimenez, JDLR and Morales for 2008 and 2009 when Iannetta was catching and when Yorvit was catching. I think you’ll see that the myth surrounding the latino pitcher’s results with Yorvit behind the plate is rather bunk.

by Hizilla on Dec 11, 2009 4:07 AM MST up reply actions

...

I remember looking that up a while back.

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by lizardlad01 on Dec 11, 2009 4:12 AM MST up reply actions

What else do you remember about it?

by Hizilla on Dec 11, 2009 3:13 PM MST up reply actions

More or less what you said

Yorvit doesn’t make that much of a difference with the latino pitchers.

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by lizardlad01 on Dec 11, 2009 7:12 PM MST up reply actions

Fair enough

I just don’t really buy into a whole lot of the “intangibles” stuff. Alot of teams lose “intangibles” guys all the time without it really having much affect on the on-field performance. Matt Holliday was a clubhouse guy, well liked by his teammates (in addition to a great player). The team seemed to do just fine in 2009 without him.

by Hizilla on Dec 11, 2009 7:57 PM MST up reply actions

Sure the numbers may be bunk

But how do you know how the Latino players relate to one another in the clubhouse and the affect it has on their performance? Or discussing how to pitch a certain player while in the dugout?

Thanks for a great season of Baseball!
I'll be back next year for another ride.

by TripleT-Rox on Dec 11, 2009 12:52 PM MST up reply actions

Because if it had a large effect the numbers wouldn't reflect largely the opposite?

"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein

by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 11, 2009 1:14 PM MST up reply actions

how do you know they don't all hate him like Ramon Ramirez did

conjecture != evidence I’m afraid.

remember: I like the guy. Think he’s cool as hell, etc.

Josh Fogg was also a great clubhouse guy.

HMMMMM

Hope got in my eyes

by Andrew Martin on Dec 11, 2009 4:44 PM MST up reply actions

1. It’s still a lot of money for a backup
2. Consistanently bad offense (from a year to year perspective, not the last couple months of this season)
3. I would hope that’s not a factor in the Rockies clubhouse

I wonder if Bud Selig will give the Yankees a receipt with their World Series purchase

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 11, 2009 9:23 AM MST up reply actions

3) I think its been mentioned by Rockies people themselves..

or have I misread reports. ?

Dear Rockies - Thank you for a wonderful rollercoaster of a season! NL Wild Card Champs. Best turnaround in MLB history for a team to win the Wild Card. Can't wait to do it again next year!

Troy Tulowitzki - MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba - Re-sign!! he's en Fuego!!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!

by SDcat09 on Dec 11, 2009 10:02 AM MST up reply actions

Which?

That it’s a factor or not? That it’s an advantage or myth?

"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein

by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 11, 2009 11:12 AM MST up reply actions

That it was a factor and was an advantage....

Dear Rockies - Thank you for a wonderful rollercoaster of a season! NL Wild Card Champs. Best turnaround in MLB history for a team to win the Wild Card. Can't wait to do it again next year!

by SDcat09 on Dec 11, 2009 2:38 PM MST up reply actions

The numbers don't support this

I wonder if Bud Selig will give the Yankees a receipt with their World Series purchase

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 11, 2009 2:49 PM MST up reply actions

I'm not saying the numbers do,

I’m trying to find the article where I saw the comment. I’m saying I thought I remembered someone in the Rockies organization making that assertion.

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by SDcat09 on Dec 11, 2009 3:05 PM MST up reply actions

Unfortunately, not all people within an organization are in tune with reality

even when it is an effectively run one. I’m inclined to believe that the benefit is a myth due to supporting numbers than someone’s perceptions. More than anything, I think Yorvit might have some sort of intangible extra connection carryover to the pitcher, but it is less than the benefit of Iannetta’s game-calling/defense/whatever that provides the better numbers. Essentially, it may be there, but it’s overstated

"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein

by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 11, 2009 3:10 PM MST up reply actions

I may buy this

I think Yorvit might have some sort of intangible extra connection carryover to the pitcher

but not with only the Latino pitchers.

by Hizilla on Dec 11, 2009 3:13 PM MST up reply actions

yeah that's friggin racist

Hope got in my eyes

by Andrew Martin on Dec 11, 2009 4:44 PM MST up reply actions

It may be discriminatory but it's not racist

People are more comfortable speaking their native language as opposed to their 2nd language. That’s basically the case for Torrealba with Ubaldo, Corpas et al.

Anyway, I think Yorvit is done….look at this.

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by lizardlad01 on Dec 11, 2009 5:55 PM MST up reply actions

I wonder if Bud Selig will give the Yankees a receipt with their World Series purchase

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 11, 2009 7:07 PM MST up reply actions

Dear Rockies - Thank you for a wonderful rollercoaster of a season! NL Wild Card Champs. Best turnaround in MLB history for a team to win the Wild Card. Can't wait to do it again next year!

by SDcat09 on Dec 11, 2009 7:28 PM MST up reply actions

I think you want this

I wonder if Bud Selig will give the Yankees a receipt with their World Series purchase

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 11, 2009 10:09 PM MST up reply actions

If the Rox are willing to go to 5mil whats another 500,000? Its chump change really.

Come on Dick and Charlie, crack the checkbook a bit more :)

Dear Rockies - Thank you for a wonderful rollercoaster of a season! NL Wild Card Champs. Best turnaround in MLB history for a team to win the Wild Card. Can't wait to do it again next year!

by SDcat09 on Dec 10, 2009 11:05 AM MST reply actions

You know this goes both ways :)

"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein

by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 10, 2009 11:16 AM MST up reply actions

yes, I know that's the argument

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by SDcat09 on Dec 10, 2009 11:36 AM MST up reply actions

well it's not really fair to say "DAMN CHEAPFORTS"

when you could say “Hey Yorvy, you’re getting a goddamn GIFT of a contract here, try seeing it from our side a bit”

Hope got in my eyes

by Andrew Martin on Dec 10, 2009 11:38 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs

um, did I say "DAMN CHEAPFORTS" , don't put words in my mouth

If I wanted to say that I would have. All I was saying, is crack the checkbook, I didn’t say they were cheapforts….
wow…..

Dear Rockies - Thank you for a wonderful rollercoaster of a season! NL Wild Card Champs. Best turnaround in MLB history for a team to win the Wild Card. Can't wait to do it again next year!

by SDcat09 on Dec 10, 2009 1:04 PM MST up reply actions

quit taking everything so personally

the “open the checkbook/wallet” tends to be completely synonymous with “DAMN CHEAPFORTS” with many other people. Not every post that replies to yours is intended to be read ONLY by you. Relax.

Hope got in my eyes

by Andrew Martin on Dec 10, 2009 1:23 PM MST up reply actions

Yorvit is my most favorite Rockies catcher other than Iannetta.

I presume you are talking about the franchise’s history or including the minors; otherwise you’re not saying much. But for the record, Ryan Spilborghs is my favorite right-handed Rockies’ outfielder :)

"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein

by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 10, 2009 11:53 AM MST reply actions

Just on the current roster

Johnson was pretty good but he was falling apart by the time we got him.

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by lizardlad01 on Dec 10, 2009 1:54 PM MST up reply actions

I could take him or leave him

I honestly think that it’s just time for a mutual parting of ways. Torre played well down the stretch last season, and he’s been a joy to watch over the years, but I think it’d be best for all parties involved (including, most importantly, Chris Iannetta’s psyche) if both sides moved on.

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by wtnelson on Dec 10, 2009 1:56 PM MST reply actions 2 recs

Perhaps but

if Torre is only asking $5.5M/2 years, you have to listen. Remember buy low, sell high, trade for prospects. The catching market is really really thin this year.

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by lizardlad01 on Dec 10, 2009 2:09 PM MST up reply actions

Thin market is generally synonymous with overpayment

Also, a backup catcher with a half season left on his contract is not going to net prospects if anything. I’m curious if a two year deal would hamper McKenry’s arrival as well.

"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein

by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 10, 2009 2:22 PM MST up reply actions

I seem to remember something this season about having trouble trading a certain catcher

because his salary was too high

Hope got in my eyes

by Andrew Martin on Dec 10, 2009 2:27 PM MST up reply actions

maybe

but the organization doesn’t seem high on Mike. Rosario on the other hand could be knocking in two years and that might be what they are waiting for

JFK

by jrockies on Dec 10, 2009 2:28 PM MST up reply actions

This is definitely not buying low on Torrealba though.

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by Jeff Aberle on Dec 10, 2009 4:08 PM MST up reply actions

ain't that the truth

Hope got in my eyes

by Andrew Martin on Dec 10, 2009 9:21 PM MST up reply actions

reccin dis

Hope got in my eyes

by Andrew Martin on Dec 10, 2009 2:21 PM MST up reply actions

Yorvit Torrealba = CDI kryptonite

I wonder if Bud Selig will give the Yankees a receipt with their World Series purchase

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 10, 2009 7:34 PM MST up reply actions

Is it possible the talks stalled

because of the imminent signing of Iannetta to the three year deal?

JFK

by jrockies on Dec 10, 2009 2:28 PM MST reply actions

See

Iannetta got ~$2.5M/yr. on average. This is why I think $5.5M for 2 years is too high for Torrealba. The organization claims to have a lot of faith in Iannetta. The presumed backup shouldn’t be making more than the starter.

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by wtnelson on Dec 10, 2009 3:29 PM MST up reply actions 2 recs

This.

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by Jeff Aberle on Dec 10, 2009 4:09 PM MST up reply actions

It's just the way salaries work in MLB

Yorvit a free agent, Iannetta is under club control. Of course Iannetta is going to get paid less. I feel like I should mention three words here, Zito and Lincecum. Enough said

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by lizardlad01 on Dec 11, 2009 2:42 AM MST up reply actions

hahaha, you're using Brian Sabean as a good example of how contracts work

Hope got in my eyes

by Andrew Martin on Dec 11, 2009 8:42 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs

This looks like it's not true...

Yorvit’s back, at least rumored to be.

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/rumors/post/Yorvit-Torrealba-settling-for-two-year-deal-with;ylt=A9GXIC7cCFLTzAATA85nYcB?urn=mlb,207847

by ZTC_87 on Dec 10, 2009 3:07 PM MST reply actions

super awesome

Hope got in my eyes

by Andrew Martin on Dec 10, 2009 9:23 PM MST up reply actions

toree seems to be done with the ROX!!!!! ima go cry now.

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/rumors/post/Rockies-and-Torrealba-parting-ways-;_ylt=ApNwC.cSv0ukMOmetuk1A7OFCLcF?urn=mlb,211326

CO.ROXYORVIT STAY!!!!!!

by CO.ROXaholic on Dec 31, 2009 9:54 AM MST up reply actions

Thanks for the link

Welcome to Purple Row

JFK

by jrockies on Dec 31, 2009 1:31 PM MST up reply actions

Great guym, good teammate

wears down over a season and hit well only in the ladder parts of 09. Later dude.

by PinchHitLancePainter on Dec 10, 2009 5:22 PM MST reply actions

That's a bit contradictory....

If he wears down, he shouldn’t have hit better in the latter part of ’09. It was more like he wore up.

Anyway, I like the guy’s fire and energy and I’ll be much happier seeing him as the plan B to Iannetta than some of the other names mentioned.

by BroJB on Dec 10, 2009 7:50 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs

The last few years,

whoever starts opening day behind the plate struggles that year, and is overtaken by the backup who has a good year. This happened in 07 (Iannetta starting, Yorvit taking the job), 08 (vice versa), and 09. So let’s have Paul Phillips start opening day and then Iannetta will go bonkers and throw out another season like 08. MY LOGIC IS INFALLIBLE.

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by squalene203 on Dec 12, 2009 4:17 PM MST reply actions