Tuesday Rockpile: Roy Halladay will pitch at Coors Field in 2010 (maybe)
by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 15, 2009 7:24 AM MST
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PrintI know everyone is waking up in hopes of hearing the final details of the Halladay/Lee blockbuster, but alas, there's nothing to report yet. Here's some appetizers while you wait:
If the trade is finalized, Halladay has a 60% chance of taking the mound once during the regular season next year. Philadelphia comes to town May 10-12.
It must be terrible to play in Toronto, where a meteor striking New England provides the only chance of playoff action. Not surprisingly, Roy Halladay wants postseason action (Dusty Saunders, Denver Post). One interesting line:
He has never pitched in a single major-league postseason game. Not one. That's about to change.
When is the last time an NL team was so supremely awesome on paper in November that playoff tickets could already be printed?
Someoned analyzed the Halladay/Lee insanity with Trade Value Calculator at Beyond the Box Score. If Blicks' calculations are correct, the trade heavily favors Toronto (though their value is most volatile as it is chiefly tied to prospects) while Philly paid over $23million in value for a 1.0 WAR increase. Of course, Cliff Lee's reluctance to sign on longterm and Halladay's requisite 3-year extension in place changes the motives.
RJ Anderson at Fangraphs writes about Cliff Lee. One thing is certain - Halladay cannot be more dominant against the Rockies than Lee was. It's not like Halladay dominated the Rockies the one time he pitched against us. Oh, wait.
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Rockies are among Capps' suitors | ColoradoRockies.com: News (Thomas Harding)
Colorado has apparently called Matt Capps' agent, which naturally could mean anything. There is apparent mutual interest, as Capps enjoyed playing for Jim Tracy in 2006-07 and the Rockies need a right-handed reliever. The late inning roles are filled, so Capps would have to be filling the role Jose Contreras would leave. I assume O'Dowd would have mentioned this in the call he placed to agent Paul Kinzer, so the fact there remains "mutual interest" suggests to me that the former Pirate isn't shutting the door on a massively reduced role. However, if he still wants to pitch late in games, one of the other eight teams that have expressed interest will likely give him that opportunity. If the Rockies do acquire him, he could be next in line for the Bob Apodaca tune up. Something tells me 'Dac could get Capps to throw his fastball for strikes again.
Jon Heyman of SI.com writes of Yorvit Torrealba's grievance suit against the New York Mets from 2007. The hearing is scheduled for tomorrow regarding Omar Minaya backing out on a 3-year $14.4million contract following the 2007 season. Torrealba claims "the Mets falsely created the impression that [he] was an injury risk."
Atkins Non-Tendered | FanGraphs Baseball - Dave Allen tries to analyze Atkins' decline. While acknowledging his numbers have dropped each year since 2006, he lumps 2006-08 and compares is BABIP to 2009. The result - his fly balls aren't turning into home runs or hits anymore, effectively meaning he has lost his ability to hit the ball hard.
Reward Retrospective: The 2007 National League MVP - Beyond the Box Score
A hot topic during the NLDS was Matt Holliday's loss to Jimmy Rollins for NL MVP. Should Rollins have won? No. But should Holliday have won? Turns out he wasn't even a clear choice for second (nointangiblesjuststatisticallyWARspeaking).
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Terry Shumpert, Chris Nichting.
Those were (not) the days. . . .
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The Flying Fat Hawaiian had half our hits!
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 15, 2009 7:43 AM MST up reply actions
Geez, that was seven years ago.
A couple of days earlier, the Rockies had just drafted Jeff Francis.
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and Spilly and the Jeff Baker and Ryan Shealy...
Jeff Salazar, Micah Owings… heck, a team made up of the players we drafted that day might have done about as well as the team we put on the field in the box score Poseidon links.
Okay, slight exaggeration, but they couldn’t have done much worse.
remind me how we lost owings
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 15, 2009 8:58 AM MST up reply actions
Yes, you should do just that.
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practicing what I preach
but not before making the stupid post
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 15, 2009 9:14 AM MST up reply actions
Quote from Neyer's article on Holliday and the Cardinals' contract offer
Found here.
There’s a second tier [of superstar] that includes Evan Longoria and Ryan Zimmerman and Chone Figgins.
?
chone figgins is not a superstar
this is stupid
thank you muzia
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 15, 2009 9:00 AM MST up reply actions
One of these things is not like the others
I wonder if Bud Selig will give the Yankees a receipt with their World Series purchase
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 15, 2009 4:43 PM MST up reply actions
Atkins
has lost his ability to hit the ball hard
It is amazing how quickly Atkins declined, and that article & graph really illustrate it. Assuming strength is the primary reason for dropping off a cliff, I’ll be curious to see if he kicks training into high gear and gets back in shape enough to get some power back.
It's not just power
It’s .100 batting points too
I wonder if Bud Selig will give the Yankees a receipt with their World Series purchase
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 15, 2009 4:44 PM MST up reply actions
Juan Pierre gets traded to the White Sox
The Dodgers unfortunately just freed up $9 million, let’s hope they need it just to pay the bills.
I have so much trouble
trying to figure out what the White Sox are doing, their overall strategy seems to go in about 20 different directions at the same time.
wow, minutes after the tweet
good work
Dodgers are picking up about half of the remaining salary, for those of you who are just tuning in
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 15, 2009 9:01 AM MST up reply actions
Think you're better than me?
A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day.
by A.J. Haefele on Dec 15, 2009 9:32 AM MST up reply actions
'joo f*** my wife?
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 15, 2009 9:34 AM MST up reply actions
u kick my dog?
A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day.
by A.J. Haefele on Dec 15, 2009 9:38 AM MST up reply actions
SILENCE
I KEEL YOU
Hope got in my eyes
by Andrew Martin on Dec 15, 2009 9:38 AM MST up reply actions
Think you're better than me?
A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day.
by A.J. Haefele on Dec 15, 2009 9:39 AM MST up reply actions
http://www.purplerow.com/2009/12/15/1201409/tuesday-rockpile-roy-halladay-will#27181412
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 15, 2009 9:43 AM MST up reply actions
You just started an unending loop!
I click the link in your comment, read down to the link, then I click the link in your comment, read down to the link, then I click the link in your comment, read down to the link, then I click the link in your comment, read down to the link, then I click the link in your comment, read down to the link, then I click the link in your comment, read down to the link, then I click the link in your comment, read down to the link, then I click the link in your comment, read down to the link, then I click the link in your comment, read down to the link, then I click the link in your comment, read down to the link, then … I am tired.
3 out of 4 sounds so much better than 2 out of 3...
by realmenwearpurple on Dec 15, 2009 9:45 AM MST up reply actions
Humor is hard.
A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day.
by A.J. Haefele on Dec 15, 2009 9:48 AM MST up reply actions
this is like a buckley box
I expect exactly 1 person to understand this comment, and they might not even.
hint B^U
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 15, 2009 9:49 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
"reccin dis"
A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day.
by A.J. Haefele on Dec 15, 2009 9:54 AM MST up reply actions
also YOU WILL NOT TAKE MY CATCH PHRASES
I WILL DESTROY YOU
Hope got in my eyes
by Andrew Martin on Dec 15, 2009 9:58 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
"reccin dis"
A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day.
by A.J. Haefele on Dec 15, 2009 9:59 AM MST up reply actions
Meh, I go for the Family Guy style humor
beat you over the head with it until it isn’t funny. Then keep going until it is again. Then keep going…
3 out of 4 sounds so much better than 2 out of 3...
by realmenwearpurple on Dec 15, 2009 10:00 AM MST up reply actions
Think you're better than me?
(amidoinitrite?)
A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day.
by A.J. Haefele on Dec 15, 2009 10:01 AM MST up reply actions
Oh yes.
Now it is up to you to figure out which question I am answering… :P
3 out of 4 sounds so much better than 2 out of 3...
by realmenwearpurple on Dec 15, 2009 10:04 AM MST up reply actions
omg
is this like the catcher debate?
A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day.
by A.J. Haefele on Dec 15, 2009 9:46 AM MST up reply actions
Think you're better than me?
A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day.
by A.J. Haefele on Dec 15, 2009 9:48 AM MST up reply actions
"reccin dis"
A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day.
by A.J. Haefele on Dec 15, 2009 9:54 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
"reccin dis"
A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day.
by A.J. Haefele on Dec 15, 2009 9:59 AM MST up reply actions
I can make that all go away in a second.
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Think you're better than me?
Wield admin status as gun moar plz.
A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day.
by A.J. Haefele on Dec 15, 2009 10:05 AM MST up reply actions
Done.
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Russ, did you just slam dunk the funk?
3 out of 4 sounds so much better than 2 out of 3...
by realmenwearpurple on Dec 15, 2009 10:08 AM MST up reply actions
Just a "joke" warning,
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lol'd hard.
That was a fun ride.
A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day.
by A.J. Haefele on Dec 15, 2009 10:11 AM MST up reply actions
I can actually
make that happen. During beta testing of the platform, RG and I were “benevolent dictators.”
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Dicators own banhammers..
and Underlings should have warnslappers. That would add to the caste system. You should also wear a bicorner hat.
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I don't have a Napoleon complex,
but DBS does.
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Don't emperors wear..
Bicorners or a Civic crown?
…I think Duke would look cute with a Bicorn hat.
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warnslappers...still sounds like a new bird species
makes me giggle
Dear Rockies-Thank you for a wonderful rollercoaster season! Best turnaround in MLB history to become NL Wild Card Champs.
Garrett Atkins-So Long, Farewell, Auf weidersehen, Goodbye!! You were a great Rockie! GOOD LUCK!
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Yorvit Torrealba- Re-sign!! he's en Fuego!!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!
I want an "insurgent" title
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 15, 2009 10:56 AM MST up reply actions
How about iconoclast?
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ooooh
I like some of the inferences, not the others.
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 15, 2009 10:58 AM MST up reply actions
Indeed
I hope that $9 million goes for the McCourt’s lawyer fees.
by avsfan4ever33 on Dec 15, 2009 9:12 AM MST up reply actions
Well, I guess the upside
is he won’t be a pain in our collective derriere anymore!
Dear Rockies-Thank you for a wonderful rollercoaster season! Best turnaround in MLB history to become NL Wild Card Champs.
Garrett Atkins-So Long, Farewell, Auf weidersehen, Goodbye!! You were a great Rockie! GOOD LUCK!
Troy Tulowitzki-MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba- Re-sign!! he's en Fuego!!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!
word to this....
that guy killed us. i swear…
And what are the white sox doing?!?!?
by El Paso Jeff on Dec 15, 2009 10:56 AM MST up reply actions
Funny, he killed us at times as a Rockie
and then again when not a Rockie.
Dear Rockies-Thank you for a wonderful rollercoaster season! Best turnaround in MLB history to become NL Wild Card Champs.
Garrett Atkins-So Long, Farewell, Auf weidersehen, Goodbye!! You were a great Rockie! GOOD LUCK!
Troy Tulowitzki-MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba- Re-sign!! he's en Fuego!!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!
Well at least the Dodgers have to pay
somewhere in the neighborhood of $10 million over the next two years for Pierre to play somewhere else
I wonder if Bud Selig will give the Yankees a receipt with their World Series purchase
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 15, 2009 4:54 PM MST up reply actions
Pierre was the Dodgers best leftfielder last year.
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Interesting that Holliday isn't even getting the 18 mil the Rox offered him
It would jack with the payroll but I would offer the same contract right now 4 yrs 18 mil plus an option. If he takes it great, if he doesn’t(my guess) it screws with every other team. And Beane.
who gets traded out of our existing OF then
and/or sent down?
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 15, 2009 9:43 AM MST up reply actions
If we somehow signed Matt Holliday
head asplode
Holliday-Cargo-Hawpe
soon to be
Smith-Cargo-Holliday
featuring Spills on the drums
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 15, 2009 9:55 AM MST up reply actions
Poor Dex =(
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by A.J. Haefele on Dec 15, 2009 9:57 AM MST up reply actions
aw see now that made me legitimately sad
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 15, 2009 10:02 AM MST up reply actions
well, I don't trade him off or anything
not yet anyhow
if Cargo falters, I have Dex in the wings waiting
/cue the horrifying CF debates of 2011
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 15, 2009 9:59 AM MST up reply actions
Cargo = 2B
Think of the lineup:
Dex – CF
Cargo – 2B
Helton – 1B
Holliday – LF
Tulo – SS
Smith – RF
Stewie – 3B
CDI – C
Ubaldo – P
/drools
why on earth would you move the best defensive OF we have to 2B
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 15, 2009 10:02 AM MST up reply actions
BECAUSE HE'S CLUTCH
ALSO BARMES.
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by A.J. Haefele on Dec 15, 2009 10:03 AM MST up reply actions
Can lefties play 2b?
This guy says yes:
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I was actually wondering the same thing
about lefties
Dear Rockies-Thank you for a wonderful rollercoaster season! Best turnaround in MLB history to become NL Wild Card Champs.
Garrett Atkins-So Long, Farewell, Auf weidersehen, Goodbye!! You were a great Rockie! GOOD LUCK!
Troy Tulowitzki-MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba- Re-sign!! he's en Fuego!!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!
well sure they can do anything..
but can they do it well ;)
Dear Rockies-Thank you for a wonderful rollercoaster season! Best turnaround in MLB history to become NL Wild Card Champs.
Garrett Atkins-So Long, Farewell, Auf weidersehen, Goodbye!! You were a great Rockie! GOOD LUCK!
Troy Tulowitzki-MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba- Re-sign!! he's en Fuego!!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!
Of course we can,
we’re the best.
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Whatever you want to do..
You can lead this pony around for awhile.
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He would have to reverse spin..
on the double play.
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We're the only ones in our right minds...
…not to mention the right side of the batter’s box.
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I still think it should be called Wronghanded..
because you’re either Right handed or you’re…
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Interesting note on this
Four of the last five presidents have been left handed. I wonder if that’s a coincidence?
I wonder if Bud Selig will give the Yankees a receipt with their World Series purchase
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 15, 2009 5:02 PM MST up reply actions
He wants 6-8 years
Which is probably why he turned us down in the first place
Hot stove leads to panda porn
well yeah
but I’m dreaming here
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 15, 2009 10:03 AM MST up reply actions
But do you take more years or more money?
And Smith plays first and OF for me and takes Helton’s spot in 2 years.
Trade Hawpe have Hol/Dex/Cargo in the OF
Cargo
Dex
Helton
Holliday
Tulo
Ianetta
Stewart
Barmes
well it's not as if we're offering him 20/per
so the years is probably the safer bet
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 15, 2009 10:41 AM MST up reply actions
granted 16 mil for 8 years is a goofd deal
But what if the market changes? I would do the years, but that necer seems to be the way Boras looks at it.
The real question is
would wear # 5?
Thanks for a great season of Baseball!
I'll be back next year for another ride.
If anyone knows the prospects a bit better
it seems like Beane would’ve been willing to downgrade the bat a bit for any kind of defensive flexibility
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 15, 2009 10:28 AM MST up reply actions
(not insinuating Taylor is a downgrade)
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 15, 2009 10:30 AM MST up reply actions
Looks like the Halladay/Lee deal will have to be altered once again.
by Greg Stanwood on Dec 15, 2009 10:32 AM MST up reply actions
On the other hand
Beane acquiring Taylor, Shane Peterson and Clayton Morrison for Cargo, Street, and Greg Smith? eh……
Genius?
Not so much…
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by Hollidayrain on Dec 15, 2009 3:45 PM MST up reply actions
So the A's turned Street, Cargo, and Smith into Michale Taylor
I wonder if Bud Selig will give the Yankees a receipt with their World Series purchase
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 15, 2009 5:06 PM MST up reply actions
weren't there more prospects than just Brett Wallace from SD?
Hope got in my eyes
by Andrew Martin on Dec 15, 2009 5:41 PM MST up reply actions
Yes Clayton Mortenson and Shane Peterson
I wonder if Bud Selig will give the Yankees a receipt with their World Series purchase
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 15, 2009 5:45 PM MST up reply actions
so the A's turned Street, Cargo, and Smith into Michael Taylor, Clayton Mortenson, and Shane Peterson
Hope got in my eyes
by Andrew Martin on Dec 15, 2009 5:46 PM MST up reply actions
That trade has so many layers to it
4 months of holliday
Street- his value is downgraded when rockies will have to overpay him inan extension. A’s replaced street with AL ROY andrew bailey. So i doubt they miss him. Smith to put it bluntly pretty much sucks.He lucked into a decent yr a couple yrs ago with a 4.8 FIP and walk/control issues. They turned 1b wallace intoan equally good, maybe better 5 tool OF prospect in taylor.
well we can't look at who they called up to replace him in this particular evaluation
else we’d be factoring in all of Seth Smith’s ABs as well
were we to do that particular evaluation, sure, we count Bailey and Smith and whoever took Greg Smith’s rotation spot (and it’s totally not fair to just use Brett Anderson either :-P )
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 15, 2009 6:55 PM MST up reply actions
wait, it was turned down?
Hope got in my eyes
by Andrew Martin on Dec 15, 2009 10:43 AM MST up reply actions
this is getting to levels of doucheitude I never thought I'd saw
they just offered to make Holliday a co-franchise player
Hope got in my eyes
by Andrew Martin on Dec 15, 2009 10:44 AM MST up reply actions
Like I said above Boras is about $$$ not years
He wants another bit at this apple in 4-5 years. Offer 3years 60 mil with an option for a fourth and he takes it. Because right now Holliday looks stupid for turning us down.
I know Boras is just doing his job but this is why people don't like him
I wonder if Bud Selig will give the Yankees a receipt with their World Series purchase
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 15, 2009 5:08 PM MST up reply actions
I don't know if it was officially turned down or not.
I don’t think it was. I HAVE to assume, out of any goodness in humanity, that they’ll end up taking it, but if I were the Cardinals, as soon as I read that, I’d take the offer off the table and tell Boras to GTFO.
by Greg Stanwood on Dec 15, 2009 10:47 AM MST up reply actions
The article I'm reading now doesn't say it was turned down, just that "nothing is imminent".
by Greg Stanwood on Dec 15, 2009 10:49 AM MST up reply actions
Bay isn't getting bowled over with offers either
Corner OF is just to deep of a position right no for a gut to get overpaid. Look at us our whole OF is 10 mil. And we are fine
less if we can move Hawper
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 15, 2009 10:55 AM MST up reply actions
pity we have 17 million invested in first base.
Helton’s good and all, but that’s a lot of dough for an offensively deep position. But I don’t want to start this argument.
Never underestimate the predictability of stupidity
by squalene203 on Dec 15, 2009 12:28 PM MST up reply actions
if by offensively deep you mean that we can just slough players off there
you’re very wrong. Helton’s defensive abilities and ability to make better fielders out of his infield is far better than Hawpe’s would be.
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 15, 2009 2:41 PM MST up reply actions
How many 1B passed Babe Ruth in career doubles this year?
I’m not sure what he means by offensively deep.
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In fairness...
the Babe’s career doubles total was a bit suppressed…by how many became home runs.
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Well squalene was talking about 1B depth..
and when it comes to 1B there are few as good as Helton. For 1B he is 2nd in active OPS and 5th all time.
1 Gehrig 1.08
2 Pujols 1.055
3 Foxx 1.038
4 Greenberg 1.017
5 Helton 0.994
6 McGwire 0.982
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hmm, that's interesting.
Maybe I should actually know what I’m talking about before I say something. I would imagine that he’s not that high when it is park adjusted, but still, wow.
Never underestimate the predictability of stupidity
nowhere near the top once you park adjust
but still, go Todd
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 15, 2009 5:42 PM MST up reply actions
I think
this is what he menas
I wonder if Bud Selig will give the Yankees a receipt with their World Series purchase
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 15, 2009 5:12 PM MST up reply actions
the problem is that we don't have those guys
so we can’t just look at those numbers and act as if Helton’s overpaid because other 1B are paid less.
He’s worth his contract.
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 15, 2009 5:43 PM MST up reply actions
Then we can't look at Tulo or Ubaldo and say they are underpaid because others are paid more?
I wonder if Bud Selig will give the Yankees a receipt with their World Series purchase
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 15, 2009 5:48 PM MST up reply actions
well where is the baseline for "more" and "less"?
That’s why WAR translates into a dollar value.
This is the first full, healthy season where Helton hasn’t actually earned his full contract, but I’d argue that that $0.4M is easily made up by his picking ability.
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 15, 2009 6:32 PM MST up reply actions
I think the WAR dollar value stat
may be where a lot of our disagreement on this lies. I think it’s bogus. There is no way that you are going to convince me that last year Derek Jeter was worh $33.4 milion, Franklin Gutierrez was worth $26.4 million, and Marco Scutero was worth $20.2 million.
I think the WAR dollar value thing is a good idea but the numbers it comes up with seem to be way, way too high. In other words, I don’t like comparing WAR dollar value to a player’s actual contract to see if they are playing up to their worth.
I wonder if Bud Selig will give the Yankees a receipt with their World Series purchase
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 15, 2009 6:56 PM MST up reply actions
do you understand the methodology behind it?
I don’t completely agree with WAR, but it’s at least a point of discussion.
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 15, 2009 7:00 PM MST up reply actions
I don't understand all of the math that goes into it.
My understanding of it is that it uses WAR to measure a player’s worth in dollars.
If that is the case then I think the numbers it spits out are way too high.
If that’s not the case then I don’t understand why we are using it to determine if a player earned their contract.
I wonder if Bud Selig will give the Yankees a receipt with their World Series purchase
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 15, 2009 7:12 PM MST up reply actions
Jabbs wrote about this
http://www.purplerow.com/2009/5/29/891647/dollars-and-sense-part-seven
the idea is “how much is each win on your record worth above the absolute worst team imaginable and the lowest payroll possible?”
Hope got in my eyes
by Andrew Martin on Dec 15, 2009 7:15 PM MST up reply actions
OK here's the issue I have with WAR dollar value
WAR dollar value assumes that all marginal wins cost 4.5 million and they don’t. Only those tied to players who have reached free agency do. WAR dollar value uses the fact that many players and therefore marginal wins are not for sale to its advantage twice in driving up the apparent value for all players. (I swear Scott Boras invented this statistic)
First it takes the average cost per marginal win spent on free agents. This cost comes out to be 4.5 million per marginal win ($396 million spent on 88 available marginal wins last winter) which is inflated by the fact that many players have never reached free agency. Basically, if more marginal wins were in supply, there would be less demand for them and they would cost less than 4.5 million. WAR dollar value then takes the 4.5 million it costs per marginal win in free agency and applies it to all players whether or not they have ever reached free agency. YOU CAN’T HAVE IT BOTH WAYS!!!!! Again assuming that the average cost per marginal win is 4.5 million for all players just isn’t true. If it was then the 30 teams combined would have spent about 4.5 BILLION (4.5 million x 1,000) on payroll instead of the 2 billion and change that they actually did.
In the end, WAR dollar value ends up spitting out figures that are outrageously high if your goal is to compare them to the actual amount a player is making. I guess my question would then become; what is WAR dollar value good for measuring?
(This doesn’t even address my concerns about defense and therefore UZR figuring into WAR and the fact that the cost per marginal win changes from year to year but I’m sure we’ll get into that if this discussion continues)
I wonder if Bud Selig will give the Yankees a receipt with their World Series purchase
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 15, 2009 11:25 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
I'll let jabbs take this one from here
Hope got in my eyes
by Andrew Martin on Dec 16, 2009 12:06 AM MST up reply actions
Okay...
Like I said below, WAR measure’s a player’s worth in dollars on the free agent market. In the article I wrote (which RMN linked to), I explained that were many marginal wins not taken up by players who had yet to reach free agency, the average cost per MW would be around $2.7 million for 2009.
It is the scarcity of those wins that drove the price up to $4.5 million. You seem to understand that. What may not be so clear is that Fangraphs is not trying to measure the value of all players under their current contract (as I believe you are inferring). They are valuing the player’s contributions as if the talent were available on the free agent market (yes, it is merely hypothetical and not completely based in reality). In other words, the Fangraphs dollar value calculation is spitting out the number the player “earned” in marginal wins as if he were playing under a free agent contract (AKA not when he is still under team control).
The marginal win valuation changes from year to year out of necessity due to the ever-changing economic environment in MLB—some years less MWs will be available than others and the free agents producing WAR will be better in some years than others. WAR is meant to be a retroactive stat rather than a predictive stat (measuring what has already done rather than what to expect in the future)—meaning that its predictive value in the case of figuring out salary is limited.
As for UZR, it isn’t perfect, especially in the one year time frame that WAR squeezes it into (it requires a three year sample size for a true measure of defensive ability). I take UZR with a grain of salt when I look at a player’s WAR totals, but I certainly don’t ignore it (it’s just about the best metric we have right now).
Eschew Obfuscation!
by Jeff Aberle on Dec 16, 2009 12:26 AM MST up reply actions
Or in one sentence:
WAR dollar value measures the cost per marginal win of free agency in a given year (NOT of all marginal wins and all contracts, just ones given to free agents).
Eschew Obfuscation!
by Jeff Aberle on Dec 16, 2009 12:29 AM MST up reply actions
I really don't mean to sound ignorant
but why would fangraph have a stat that measures a player’s worth in a hypothetical situation. WAR dollar value combines WAR (which can measure all players) with marginal win cost (which is only dictated and measured by those actually in free agency that year). Those are two worlds that should be kept apart because it’s not a level playing field (players who are controlled by their team vs. players who are or have been free agents).
Even those who have reached free agency might not be measured accurately. Take the Todd Helton contract that was signed in 2001 and took effect in 2003. In 2002, a marginal win cost 2.6 million. This means that when the 9 year $141.5 million contract took effect, the Rockies were expecting to get about 54 wins above replacement from Helton through the life of the contract. (Right now he is on pace to get about 40 and that’s being generous during the next couple of years) However, since this contract was signed the Yankees and other big market teams went out and spent insane amounts of money and drove up the cost of a marginal win. Does this mean the Rockies should now expect a lower WAR from Helton?
The stat just seems to take a little bit of reality (the players who are actually in free agency) and applies it to everything (all players). The end result creates this fantasyland where all marginal wins are valued at 4.5 million (not just those actually for sale). I guess the problem I have is that they break their own rules in the "if" game. If they want to say that players under team control would be worth 4.5 million x their WAR if they reached free agency, then they also need to factor in that "if" all of those players reached free agency, the average cost per marginal win would be much lower. I don’t know; the whole thing just seems very aimless to me.
I wonder if Bud Selig will give the Yankees a receipt with their World Series purchase
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 16, 2009 2:22 AM MST up reply actions
The why is fairly simple...
fans want to know. They want to have a way of quantifying the production of their favorite players and WAR dollar value gives them a way to do so. It isn’t perfect for all situations, but it does give a good snapshot of that year’s free agency economic picture.
Once it is understood that the stat is limited to the free agent pool it becomes much more clear that it works as a quantifier of value. Yes, as you point out, if everyone became a free agent at once the cost would be closer to $2.7 million per marginal win, but that isn’t the case and won’t be for the foreseeable future.
As for WAR expectations for players like Helton, teams understand that in the future marginal wins will be relatively more expensive and no doubt budget that expense into the contracts (it could be a reason why so many contracts are backloaded, because a marginal win will be so much more expensive in the future).
Another point is that the cost of a marginal win to some teams (Yankees) is considerably higher than that of the Rockies due to their increased ability to play on the free agent market—so again WAR dollar value is not perfect for every team, but rather is an average for MLB cost per marginal win of a free agent—measuring on average the amount of money a team would have to spend on the free agent market to acquire one marginal win.
Eschew Obfuscation!
by Jeff Aberle on Dec 16, 2009 10:20 AM MST up reply actions
WAR measures a player's worth in dollars on the free agent market...
using the value of a marginal win at $4-4.5 million. Check out PR Academy for more articles on the subject (I’ve written a few).
Eschew Obfuscation!
Less relevance than for the Yankees, anyway.
And that is WAR dollar value, not WAR itself. THAT is relevant for everyone to measure a player’s production. WAR dollar value is hypothetical.
Eschew Obfuscation!
by Jeff Aberle on Dec 16, 2009 10:07 AM MST up reply actions
I have a feeling that Matt will be made the example that everyone feels Boras needs
You have to wonder if he wishes he would have just stayed. granted some of it is economy which was out of his control. But Neyer said last spring that Holliday is “not a20 mil ayear player” and that he should have taken the Rox offer.
I thought Matt's beef was with the length of contract
and wanting a no-trade clause?
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If it was then sign the 8 year deal
Boras told him he was a 6 year 125 million a year player. And He isn’t. reality stinks sometimes. just like Bay. Matt needs to take the Cards offer because if they back out it could get really ugly.
I was just trying to recollect about the contract issues..
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We offer including last year 6 years 108 mil including option year
4 year deal plus an option year . they wanted 6 years and a no trade. Rox said “have fun in Oaktown”
Is there a no-trade clause in the offer from the Cards?
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Not in the 8 year deal. Boras wants a no trade and opt out
The Cards shorter deal had one but apparently the longer contract does not. I could not justify a 130 mil commitment to a 30 year old OF. plus why give an opt out if you are the Cards. They want him to turn this down and then tell Albert “hey we tried”
Thanks
I was thinking of the shorter deal.
The opt out is a terrible idea for the Cards. I think they really want to sign Matty, but they can’t kowtow to Bora$ any more than they already have.
Boras is playing the Cards
like he played the Astros in the Beltran deal.
Tell the mid-market team that the player is really serious about staying in a good baseball town (which Houston was at the time Beltran played for them), get the absolute maximum $ & player-friendly terms possible from that team, indicate you’re close to signing, then go shop it to the Mets or Yankees for a little bit more.
St. Louis is being played like a fiddle.
New decade, new result: time for a Rockies' division championship.
He did that with Manny Ramirez and the Dodgers..
against themselves.
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Omar Minaya's thinking..
hey wait a minute. Maybe I should outbid myself.
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Matt's beef is that he wanted to stay in one place...
…and not go to Oakland, then to St. Louis, then to……………
….Washington DC, because they have such great schools for his kids.
Watching the purple row from high atop the big brown monolith on California Ave
well I think he was anticipating this kind of a season
but he’s also full of crap
Hope got in my eyes
by Andrew Martin on Dec 15, 2009 2:42 PM MST up reply actions
I think his problem
is that he’s being led around on a leash by Scott Boras
I wonder if Bud Selig will give the Yankees a receipt with their World Series purchase
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 15, 2009 5:18 PM MST up reply actions
You do realise that MATT HOLLIDAY
is the one who takes home (the vast majority of) the enormous sum Boras agrees for him, right? Boras does what Holliday says, remember. In practice, he’ll take much of the advice of his agent, but if Matt doesn’t want to play on the west coast (say) or doesn’t want to play for the Mets, then he should have the balls to make damn sure Boras knows this.
Ultimately, any agent works for his client, NOT the other way around. Maybe we should start cursing the lazy, greedy cowardice of the players who are more than happy to be led around on a leash? Or, we could blame no-one, as this is a wonderful demonstration of America’s beloved capitalist system in full flow – how could it be any other way?
by biondino on Dec 16, 2009 3:42 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
It's insane to turn that down from Boras/Holliday's perspective
but I honestly feel the number of years is too many from St. Louis’s perspective. It seems too risky to me. I wouldn’t want to offer any player that many years, especially when they’re already 30.
What is the
“pride goeth before the fall” line? I love Matt and he should be in charge of his own career (and not a bunch of dudes like us who don’t know him) but I too have a visceral “what the hell” reading that…
and we're allowed to.
Hope got in my eyes
by Andrew Martin on Dec 15, 2009 10:55 AM MST up reply actions
he's looking to get the Sox and Yankees involved
Hope got in my eyes
by Andrew Martin on Dec 15, 2009 10:54 AM MST up reply actions
The yanks aren't in. And Boston doesn't seem to be a big Boras fan anymore.
This is going to turn out like Manny last year. Late Jan he signs a 1 yr plus option for 30 mil
He's going to fail
I wonder if Bud Selig will give the Yankees a receipt with their World Series purchase
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 15, 2009 5:19 PM MST up reply actions
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I wonder if Bud Selig will give the Yankees a receipt with their World Series purchase
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 15, 2009 5:07 PM MST up reply actions
This may be a stupid question but....
(disclaimer of a stupid person, i know)
But isn’t Lee kind of a one year rental for the M’s and yes they have a formidable duo up top but are they ready to contend THIS year?
kinda tough to give up prospects in this situation…Of course I dont know or recognize the names involved. but whats the take here?
They came out like bandits
even if it’s just for one year, they will get two picks in next year’s draft. Lee is a workhorse, giving them the most formidable top of a rotation in baseball, and backed by perhaps the best defensive team in the league.
They have to be considered the favorites in the AL East as of today.
Anything they gave up can most likely be returned in the draft next year. This is a no-lose scenario for them.
ok...so I should let up on my "friend" who is a M's fan (scoff) then
Wasn’t aware of the draft pick situation….
by El Paso Jeff on Dec 15, 2009 11:26 AM MST up reply actions
if they don't sign Lee
they could offer him arbitration, and then receive a first round pick and a sandwich pick
he would be a type a free agent
So they would be awarded a sandwich pick between the first and second round as well as acquiring the first round pick of the team that signs him
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 15, 2009 11:33 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
oooh
I can see this happening. Usually I neglect bad teams as they are building and not in the market to land omgace, but I can definitely see that happening
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 15, 2009 11:40 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
The Mets would find a way to screw it up.
I don’t know how but they would find a way
I wonder if Bud Selig will give the Yankees a receipt with their World Series purchase
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 15, 2009 5:23 PM MST up reply actions
provided two things
1 – they offer arbitration if they don’t sign him. If he accepted they would have an ace for another playoff push, so bog a bad idea
2 – the team that signs him does not also sign a type a free agent ranked higher than lee, which is quite unlikely
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 15, 2009 11:37 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
they gave up crappy prospects from what I'm seeing
Hope got in my eyes
by Andrew Martin on Dec 15, 2009 11:17 AM MST up reply actions
someone comp them to rox prospects
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 15, 2009 11:41 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
I'm seeing a healthy Weathers and Rosario?
Those are the parallels I have been operating under, at least based on what I read.
I haven't heard as good as Rosario
but Weathers is an ok comp
Hope got in my eyes
by Andrew Martin on Dec 15, 2009 2:43 PM MST up reply actions
i would strongly consider that
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 15, 2009 2:53 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
They did not gibve up any of there top 3 prospect
And if Lee walks they get 2 picks back. Plus they have Lee and Felix at the top of there rotation so if they can make the playoffs look out. Right this second they are the Favorites in the AL west. If they can somehow get Bay to sign???
U.S.S. Mariner
Loves this deal. Like, a lot.
by controlled_slide on Dec 15, 2009 11:28 AM MST up reply actions
just use the "Neuralyzers"
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I'm surprised he didn't change his avatar to be the Palpatine or Darth Vader
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Garrett Atkins-So Long, Farewell, Auf weidersehen, Goodbye!! You were a great Rockie! GOOD LUCK!
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Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!
*the Emperor Papaltine
Dear Rockies-Thank you for a wonderful rollercoaster season! Best turnaround in MLB history to become NL Wild Card Champs.
Garrett Atkins-So Long, Farewell, Auf weidersehen, Goodbye!! You were a great Rockie! GOOD LUCK!
Troy Tulowitzki-MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba- Re-sign!! he's en Fuego!!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!
Somebody give me my lightsaber
I’ll get the Sith. And live. Which makes me Obi-Wan, I guess.
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by Silverblood on Dec 15, 2009 12:03 PM MST up reply actions
but of course you are Obi-Wan
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Garrett Atkins-So Long, Farewell, Auf weidersehen, Goodbye!! You were a great Rockie! GOOD LUCK!
Troy Tulowitzki-MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba- Re-sign!! he's en Fuego!!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!
ruh roh....
/backs away from the table….
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Yorvit Torrealba- Re-sign!! he's en Fuego!!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!
Lol, awesome
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by ShadowPenguin on Dec 15, 2009 11:43 AM MST up reply actions
lol'd at your sig line...I had to read it twice....well done
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Garrett Atkins-So Long, Farewell, Auf weidersehen, Goodbye!! You were a great Rockie! GOOD LUCK!
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Yorvit Torrealba- Re-sign!! he's en Fuego!!
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Thanks :-)
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by ShadowPenguin on Dec 15, 2009 1:32 PM MST up reply actions
Ha! Ha!
That’s so funny. Talk about life imitating art.
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can we at least be Minions
Hope got in my eyes
by Andrew Martin on Dec 15, 2009 5:47 PM MST up reply actions
Minions...there's another word I love
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his lips are moving?
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He's speaking in Parseltongue?
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Not much said about Holliday
Just that they’re in negotiations with Cards and other teams. And that Matt enjoyed his time in St. Louis.
Enjoyed?
As in past tense?
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Past tense in terms of last season.
But I don’t think he intended to imply anything more than that in terms of next season.
I love when he uses the words "other teams"
Those “other teams” may or may not exist
I wonder if Bud Selig will give the Yankees a receipt with their World Series purchase
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 15, 2009 5:28 PM MST up reply actions
seriously?
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Garrett Atkins-So Long, Farewell, Auf weidersehen, Goodbye!! You were a great Rockie! GOOD LUCK!
Troy Tulowitzki-MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba- Re-sign!! he's en Fuego!!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!
I always kinda liked Joel
despite the fact that his stuff just looked (and became) so very hittable. But he gave us a big lift this year so hopefully he can find a home.
I agree....
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Garrett Atkins-So Long, Farewell, Auf weidersehen, Goodbye!! You were a great Rockie! GOOD LUCK!
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Yorvit Torrealba- Re-sign!! he's en Fuego!!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
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/staggers in
mother of god yesssssss
The finals beast: I haz conquered it, miles long English exam kicked my ass but I gots it
see I didn’t miss too much
we haven’t got Roy Halladay yet I see
okay have fun y’all
/staggers out
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I think you left your brain..
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hmmm, I can't decide if want to throw up
or have spaghetti for dinner now….
Thanks Charlie …
/ewww
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Garrett Atkins-So Long, Farewell, Auf weidersehen, Goodbye!! You were a great Rockie! GOOD LUCK!
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Yorvit Torrealba- Re-sign!! he's en Fuego!!
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I'll finally have time to write that thing on the Battle of Hastings I promised you years ago
stupid schoolwork killing my life
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I don't know where your priorities are right now.
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I know right
how dare I try to graduate from college
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by Silverblood on Dec 15, 2009 11:23 PM MST up reply actions
The sooner you're done..
the sooner you’ll miss it =p
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Oh, Silver
you do make me laugh
I completely pictured this.
screenwriter, much?
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Garrett Atkins-So Long, Farewell, Auf weidersehen, Goodbye!! You were a great Rockie! GOOD LUCK!
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Yorvit Torrealba- Re-sign!! he's en Fuego!!
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Nah
novel writer
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Torrealba signing not looking likely, per O' Dowd :(:((
http://www.denverpost.com/ci_14003483
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Garrett Atkins-So Long, Farewell, Auf weidersehen, Goodbye!! You were a great Rockie! GOOD LUCK!
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Yorvit Torrealba- Re-sign!! he's en Fuego!!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!
The Rockies likelihood of signing him seems to decrease daily
I wonder if Bud Selig will give the Yankees a receipt with their World Series purchase
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 15, 2009 5:32 PM MST up reply actions
yep...this makes me sad...:(
It certainly seems like DOD thinks its not going to happen….
/sigh..
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Garrett Atkins-So Long, Farewell, Auf weidersehen, Goodbye!! You were a great Rockie! GOOD LUCK!
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Yorvit Torrealba- Re-sign!! he's en Fuego!!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!
say hello to the newest Met.
To all of the doubters, to all of the haters, one simple message:
We will be back! Our purple knights will be victorious once again.
by The Lodo Magic Man on Dec 15, 2009 5:35 PM MST up reply actions
I thought that was Molina
I wonder if Bud Selig will give the Yankees a receipt with their World Series purchase
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 15, 2009 5:36 PM MST up reply actions
one of the two.
To all of the doubters, to all of the haters, one simple message:
We will be back! Our purple knights will be victorious once again.
by The Lodo Magic Man on Dec 15, 2009 5:37 PM MST up reply actions
With the Mets it's possible it could be both now that I think about it
I wonder if Bud Selig will give the Yankees a receipt with their World Series purchase
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 15, 2009 5:49 PM MST up reply actions
how so
Dear Rockies-Thank you for a wonderful rollercoaster season! Best turnaround in MLB history to become NL Wild Card Champs.
Garrett Atkins-So Long, Farewell, Auf weidersehen, Goodbye!! You were a great Rockie! GOOD LUCK!
Troy Tulowitzki-MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba- Re-sign!! he's en Fuego!!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!
Mets.
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Dec 15, 2009 5:56 PM MST up reply actions
Well the Mets might make Molina the starter and Yorvit the backup
I wonder if Bud Selig will give the Yankees a receipt with their World Series purchase
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 15, 2009 6:02 PM MST up reply actions
FREE MIKE MCKENRY!
To all of the doubters, to all of the haters, one simple message:
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Dec 15, 2009 5:33 PM MST up reply actions
no offense..I'd rather see Phillips come back
he was okay when he was here,
but his whole lack of sausage awareness disturbs me :)
Dear Rockies-Thank you for a wonderful rollercoaster season! Best turnaround in MLB history to become NL Wild Card Champs.
Garrett Atkins-So Long, Farewell, Auf weidersehen, Goodbye!! You were a great Rockie! GOOD LUCK!
Troy Tulowitzki-MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba- Re-sign!! he's en Fuego!!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!
Cuz he likes chicks.
ooooooooooo00o0o0o0o
A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day.
by A.J. Haefele on Dec 16, 2009 1:48 AM MST up reply actions
Phillips did well...
… over a short period of time when the entire team was on fire. Assuming that is the anomaly compared to the rest of his presumed results, I can safely say I’d rather have somebody else (including Torrealba) as the backup.
by Greg Stanwood on Dec 16, 2009 2:02 AM MST up reply actions
I wonder if they're still going to go for Olivo
Hope got in my eyes
by Andrew Martin on Dec 15, 2009 5:45 PM MST up reply actions
The article seems to allude to that....
Dear Rockies-Thank you for a wonderful rollercoaster season! Best turnaround in MLB history to become NL Wild Card Champs.
Garrett Atkins-So Long, Farewell, Auf weidersehen, Goodbye!! You were a great Rockie! GOOD LUCK!
Troy Tulowitzki-MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba- Re-sign!! he's en Fuego!!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!
Robb Quinlan's agent is named Joe Speed
that is beyond awesome
Hope got in my eyes
by Andrew Martin on Dec 15, 2009 5:47 PM MST up reply actions
that is pretty funny
Dear Rockies-Thank you for a wonderful rollercoaster season! Best turnaround in MLB history to become NL Wild Card Champs.
Garrett Atkins-So Long, Farewell, Auf weidersehen, Goodbye!! You were a great Rockie! GOOD LUCK!
Troy Tulowitzki-MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba- Re-sign!! he's en Fuego!!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!
the name you want to touch
but you shouldn’t touch
Hope got in my eyes
by Andrew Martin on Dec 15, 2009 6:38 PM MST up reply actions
A name that sounds like something you hear
But when you hear it, you musn’t fear…
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the whole time." - Jim Bouton
Torrealba or Iannetta? Trade Hawpe or Keep Hawpe? Barmes Sucks or Barmes is OK?
One thing we all unite under is running Simpsons gags.
Hope got in my eyes
by Andrew Martin on Dec 15, 2009 7:26 PM MST up reply actions
word
Dear Rockies-Thank you for a wonderful rollercoaster season! Best turnaround in MLB history to become NL Wild Card Champs.
Garrett Atkins-So Long, Farewell, Auf weidersehen, Goodbye!! You were a great Rockie! GOOD LUCK!
Troy Tulowitzki-MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba- Re-sign!! he's en Fuego!!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!
word
Dear Rockies-Thank you for a wonderful rollercoaster season! Best turnaround in MLB history to become NL Wild Card Champs.
Garrett Atkins-So Long, Farewell, Auf weidersehen, Goodbye!! You were a great Rockie! GOOD LUCK!
Troy Tulowitzki-MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba- Re-sign!! he's en Fuego!!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!
Apparently Philadelphia is listening to offers for Victorino.
To all of the doubters, to all of the haters, one simple message:
We will be back! Our purple knights will be victorious once again.
by The Lodo Magic Man on Dec 15, 2009 5:29 PM MST reply actions
/jaw on floor
Dear Rockies-Thank you for a wonderful rollercoaster season! Best turnaround in MLB history to become NL Wild Card Champs.
Garrett Atkins-So Long, Farewell, Auf weidersehen, Goodbye!! You were a great Rockie! GOOD LUCK!
Troy Tulowitzki-MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba- Re-sign!! he's en Fuego!!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!
why does Philadelphia hate Shane Victorino
the guy is pretty awesome last time I checked
Hope got in my eyes
by Andrew Martin on Dec 15, 2009 5:45 PM MST up reply actions
Xenophobic Philadelphians don't like people from other countries
you know, like Hawaii.
To all of the doubters, to all of the haters, one simple message:
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Dec 15, 2009 5:59 PM MST up reply actions
victorino for hawpe straight up
Hope got in my eyes
by Andrew Martin on Dec 15, 2009 6:32 PM MST up reply actions
/grrrrrrrr
Dear Rockies-Thank you for a wonderful rollercoaster season! Best turnaround in MLB history to become NL Wild Card Champs.
Garrett Atkins-So Long, Farewell, Auf weidersehen, Goodbye!! You were a great Rockie! GOOD LUCK!
Troy Tulowitzki-MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba- Re-sign!! he's en Fuego!!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!
oh it wasn't even directed at you geez
besides where would we play him
Hope got in my eyes
by Andrew Martin on Dec 15, 2009 7:01 PM MST up reply actions
I didn't think it was directed at me...
and I agree where we would play him…..
I just grrr’d because thats what I do whenever there’s the discussion of trading Hawpe..
I grrr alot ….
Dear Rockies-Thank you for a wonderful rollercoaster season! Best turnaround in MLB history to become NL Wild Card Champs.
Garrett Atkins-So Long, Farewell, Auf weidersehen, Goodbye!! You were a great Rockie! GOOD LUCK!
Troy Tulowitzki-MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba- Re-sign!! he's en Fuego!!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!
yeah you do
I thought cats hissed
Hope got in my eyes
by Andrew Martin on Dec 15, 2009 7:07 PM MST up reply actions
any really scary pissed off cat
grrrs in the cat way and then hisses…:)
Dear Rockies-Thank you for a wonderful rollercoaster season! Best turnaround in MLB history to become NL Wild Card Champs.
Garrett Atkins-So Long, Farewell, Auf weidersehen, Goodbye!! You were a great Rockie! GOOD LUCK!
Troy Tulowitzki-MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba- Re-sign!! he's en Fuego!!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!
any really scary pissed off cat
grrrs in the cat way and then hisses…:)
Dear Rockies-Thank you for a wonderful rollercoaster season! Best turnaround in MLB history to become NL Wild Card Champs.
Garrett Atkins-So Long, Farewell, Auf weidersehen, Goodbye!! You were a great Rockie! GOOD LUCK!
Troy Tulowitzki-MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba- Re-sign!! he's en Fuego!!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!
SDcat everytime someone suggests a trade for Hawpe
I wonder if Bud Selig will give the Yankees a receipt with their World Series purchase
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 15, 2009 7:15 PM MST up reply actions
okay that made me laugh
now if you had the switchclaw out..you’d be dead on…:)
Dear Rockies-Thank you for a wonderful rollercoaster season! Best turnaround in MLB history to become NL Wild Card Champs.
Garrett Atkins-So Long, Farewell, Auf weidersehen, Goodbye!! You were a great Rockie! GOOD LUCK!
Troy Tulowitzki-MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba- Re-sign!! he's en Fuego!!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!
Xenophobic Philadelphians don’t like peoplefrom other countries
I wonder if Bud Selig will give the Yankees a receipt with their World Series purchase
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 15, 2009 6:04 PM MST reply actions
Oops reply fail and it should look like this
XenophobicPhiladelphians don’t like peoplefrom other countries
I wonder if Bud Selig will give the Yankees a receipt with their World Series purchase
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 15, 2009 6:05 PM MST up reply actions
I'd watch it
I wonder if Bud Selig will give the Yankees a receipt with their World Series purchase
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 15, 2009 6:58 PM MST up reply actions
Purple Caesar style...like Beimel
Dear Rockies-Thank you for a wonderful rollercoaster season! Best turnaround in MLB history to become NL Wild Card Champs.
Garrett Atkins-So Long, Farewell, Auf weidersehen, Goodbye!! You were a great Rockie! GOOD LUCK!
Troy Tulowitzki-MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba- Re-sign!! he's en Fuego!!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!
ok you're the second person who's suggested a bathrobe between here and facebook
am I missing some absurd joke here
or is it just the joe beimel thing
Hope got in my eyes
by Andrew Martin on Dec 15, 2009 7:25 PM MST up reply actions
seriously though I can't afford the robe
we should take a collection
Hope got in my eyes
by Andrew Martin on Dec 15, 2009 7:29 PM MST up reply actions
ok you made me get one for myself.
I just bought a purple bathrobe of Amazon
To all of the doubters, to all of the haters, one simple message:
We will be back! Our purple knights will be victorious once again.
by The Lodo Magic Man on Dec 15, 2009 8:31 PM MST up reply actions
*off of Amazon
To all of the doubters, to all of the haters, one simple message:
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Dec 15, 2009 8:31 PM MST up reply actions
I want to see a pic of this..
with your purple socks plz.
Donate to charity by shopping for Purple Row Merchandise at:
Purple Row Cares
I would like to see a purple bathrobe of the Amazon
that sounds kind of awesome
Dear Rockies-Thank you for a wonderful rollercoaster season! Best turnaround in MLB history to become NL Wild Card Champs.
Garrett Atkins-So Long, Farewell, Auf weidersehen, Goodbye!! You were a great Rockie! GOOD LUCK!
Troy Tulowitzki-MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba- Re-sign!! he's en Fuego!!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!
My level 38 paladin has a purple bathrobe of the amazon +4.
3 out of 4 sounds so much better than 2 out of 3...
by realmenwearpurple on Dec 15, 2009 11:01 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
I am procrastinating...just terribly
I’m supposed to be studying.
Hope got in my eyes
by Andrew Martin on Dec 15, 2009 8:34 PM MST up reply actions
imma donnnnneeeee
/does jig
Waiting out the Rockies' offseason by watching the Broncos succeeding at not failing to fail once the giddy rush of success has failed.
it feels really good
I can’t get my head around the fact that I have NOTHING LEFT TO DO. just sit around for a couple of days and clean and pack crap and return books and sell books for pennies and worry about my flight and stuff.
Waiting out the Rockies' offseason by watching the Broncos succeeding at not failing to fail once the giddy rush of success has failed.
I went to Battle a few years ago. Senlac Hill is really steep and muddy!
Not surprised the archers were a big deal – hard to fight man to man in that kind of environment.
I have a piece written on the historical background of the Norman Conquest
which I can send to you if you like. I can also write something specifically on the Battle of Hastings (Charlie is going to ask me various questions, and I will supply the answers). I can do likewise with you if you want, my email’s at the bottom of the page.
Waiting out the Rockies' offseason by watching the Broncos succeeding at not failing to fail once the giddy rush of success has failed.
I'd love to see it, thank you.
I don’t have specific questions, but am very interested in the subject and I imagine you’d write on it very well.
I’ll drop you an email.
10 minute thing
not as ranty as I’d like
I’ll get angrier next time
Hope got in my eyes
by Andrew Martin on Dec 15, 2009 9:03 PM MST up reply actions
I'll post the link in today's rockpile
Hope got in my eyes
by Andrew Martin on Dec 16, 2009 7:08 AM MST up reply actions
I like it on mlbtraderumors
we’re looking at Matt Capps in case an extension with Street doesn’t happen. Sounds good to me…
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
I just want him so we have another decent-to-good bullpen arm
Seriously, Street, Betancourt, Daley, Morales, Capps, and then eventually Corpas, Buchholz, and Weathers? That’s a lot of bullpen.
oh and Randy Flores and Matt Belisle so go ahead and subtract a little off of that “lot”
Hope got in my eyes
by Andrew Martin on Dec 15, 2009 6:56 PM MST up reply actions
If we got Capps
I think that would remove Daley or Belisle from the equation for now, I know this ’cause WolfMarauder totally told me.
I hope it happens, and I hope it’s Belisle that’s cut, and I hope we don’t sign Street long term… and I hope we win.
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
I guess I put less emphasis on bullpen roles
(except in like Flores’ case where it’s the only thing he’s good at)
I want the talent out there. Acquire the talent, then figure out how to manage it.
Why would we remove Daley? Play the best guys, and Daley is one of the best guys.
Hope got in my eyes
by Andrew Martin on Dec 15, 2009 7:08 PM MST up reply actions
Hey, if I was running the team
we’d make a serious, but reasonable push for Capps, and if we got him, see you later Belisle.
WolfMarauder was just bringing up how Belisle is a good mop up guy (he sucks), he’s capable of multiple innings (which remains to be seen of Capps, Daley, or most of the people in our bullpen), and lastly, Daley has options and we just signed Belisle to some amount of money more than the minimum so “it make look silly” (read: GM’s are proud) to cut him or whatever.
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
Also,
and out of respect to WolfMarauder, the points of mop up guy, multiple innings, and Daley having options were what he said, the parentheses and other stuff is my thoughts on things…
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
I never said Belisle was a good mop up guy.
I said the team was planning on using him in long relief, which Capps can’t do.
by Greg Stanwood on Dec 15, 2009 10:33 PM MST up reply actions
Ah
my bad, I guess I just equate long relief with mop-up.
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
That's fine...
… but either way, I just wanted to clarify I wasn’t saying he was good.
by Greg Stanwood on Dec 16, 2009 8:23 AM MST up reply actions
The difference between the talent level of Belisle and Daley isn't enough
and the low leverage role either would have should we sign Capps, so it makes optioning Daley and keeping him as a cheap option in 2011 a more cost effective use given that the money will be paid to Belisle whether he’s on the team or not.
Daley posted a 9.79 K9 this season
and a 3+ K/BB
Belisle was incredibly hittable all season, save that stretch at the very end.
I don’t think we should be playing the cost effective game when Daley’s a good reliever and we’re trying to take the NL West.
Hope got in my eyes
by Andrew Martin on Dec 15, 2009 8:34 PM MST up reply actions
Perhaps your eyes deceive you.
What I’m going to suggest is that Daley isn’t nearly as good as he appeared and Belisle as bad in 2009 due to the small seasonal sample that’s inherent in their line of work. Basically both are going to go toward the middle in 2010. And yes, middle low leverage relief is exactly where the Rockies should be playing the cost effective game, even while contending, because the value of these pitchers usually amounts to less than half a win from zero either way. I’d rather keep as much of a stream of quality low cost players there as possible, and that involves using all of a player’s option years so the team still has the flexibility to look for your Capps or similar upgrades over the next couple of seasons as well.
whoa
holy crap, when did Daley finish the 2009 season with an ERA over 4? I totally thought he had like a 3.6 era.
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
This is why I don't believe he's as good as a lot of Rockies fans do...
he seemed to regress significantly as the league adjusted to his delivery and became familiar with him. The Dodgers in particular hit him very hard last season.
I dunno
he did post a 1.42 ERA in 6 AA innings 3 years ago, he has to be dominant.
But for reals, 2010 will be the make or break year I suppose…
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
he had a season WHIP of 1.20
reliever ERA isn’t the best baseline
Hope got in my eyes
by Andrew Martin on Dec 15, 2009 9:16 PM MST up reply actions
Daley is eminently replaceable IMO...
next year will not be good for him, unfortunately.
Eschew Obfuscation!
by Jeff Aberle on Dec 16, 2009 12:31 AM MST up reply actions
bbbbbut
he’s from New York!
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
To elaborate:
As it stacks up, our bullpen to start the year looks to be Street, Betancourt, Corpas, Morales, Flores, Belisle, and Daley. Street and Betancourt aren’t going anywhere, the team has specific roles for Flores and Belsile that Capps can’t replace. Morales is out of options and unless he’s in the starting rotation for some reason (injury?), that’s another spot filled. Between Corpas and Daley, the choice to drop for Capps would be Daley unless Corpas is having even more disastrous results than usual.
by Greg Stanwood on Dec 15, 2009 10:36 PM MST up reply actions
Plus all those guys have major league contracts tendered to them...
meaning that unless Corpas or Daley is optioned there literally is no room for Capps in the bullpen.
Eschew Obfuscation!
by Jeff Aberle on Dec 16, 2009 12:33 AM MST up reply actions
I don't think it would be too hard to part with Flores or Belisle, contracts aside, if the player they were acquiring could replace them.
But Capps is a 1ish inning righty, so…
by Greg Stanwood on Dec 16, 2009 1:24 AM MST up reply actions
How about we stay away from Matt Capps?
His flyball and HR/9 rate are not a fit for us, and if Hawpe starts for us this year, I’m gonna have nightmares about how many blown saves will result in Hawpe missing a line drive that Capps gave up.
Impossible not to have positive thoughts.
I want Sam Deduno to pitch already.
It is a red flag for sure
but his hr/9 has been all over the place in his career. Also, seems like recently Apodaca has turned into Dave Duncan light where pitchers come here and boost their GB rate.
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
oops, sorry for repeating your point about Apodaca.
I was typing and playing with my cat at the same time and didn’t realize you had already said it before hitting post.
I'm not sure how comfortable I'd
be signing a bullpen guy to a 2 year multi-million dollar deal in the hopes that Doc could fix him.
Hey
no apologies necessary, great minds think alike ;-)
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
The HR/9 is fluky...
six of the ten HR he allowed in 2009 were ""just enough" according to Hit Tracker, including the one Hawpe hit off him, and you take one or two away from that total for a reliever and it causes a big swing in the HR/9 rate. This seems like something Apodaca can and does fix.
very high HR/FB%
I think that’ll come down.
Hope got in my eyes
by Andrew Martin on Dec 15, 2009 8:32 PM MST up reply actions
hahahahahahahahahaahahah
Marquis indicated that he likes serving as a mentor for younger pitchers and wants to be part of a team that “making the moves that is necessary to get themselves back to being a winning organization.” He pointed to several moves the Nationals have made that suggest they are that team.
To all of the doubters, to all of the haters, one simple message:
We will be back! Our purple knights will be victorious once again.
by The Lodo Magic Man on Dec 15, 2009 8:53 PM MST reply actions
Poor, poor misguided Jason.
Doesn’t he understand that the Nationals, are, well, the Natinals?
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the Nats will win the NL east and go the playoffs
To all of the doubters, to all of the haters, one simple message:
We will be back! Our purple knights will be victorious once again.
by The Lodo Magic Man on Dec 15, 2009 8:57 PM MST up reply actions
Pigs learned to fly?
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Diplomatic and Military History Book Review - My other blog where I go all historical on you.
To all of the doubters, to all of the haters, one simple message:
We will be back! Our purple knights will be victorious once again.
by The Lodo Magic Man on Dec 15, 2009 9:00 PM MST up reply actions
That
pig is soaring through the air, not flying. Big difference, buddy.
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Is there a way to get out of the dungeon without using the wizard key?
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
it's a little airborne..its still good...its still good
To all of the doubters, to all of the haters, one simple message:
We will be back! Our purple knights will be victorious once again.
by The Lodo Magic Man on Dec 15, 2009 9:03 PM MST up reply actions
i know.
:(
To all of the doubters, to all of the haters, one simple message:
We will be back! Our purple knights will be victorious once again.
by The Lodo Magic Man on Dec 15, 2009 9:05 PM MST up reply actions
No, but they may finish higher than the Mets
Watching the purple row from high atop the big brown monolith on California Ave
Or the Mets
Dear Rockies-Thank you for a wonderful rollercoaster season! Best turnaround in MLB history to become NL Wild Card Champs.
Garrett Atkins-So Long, Farewell, Auf weidersehen, Goodbye!! You were a great Rockie! GOOD LUCK!
Troy Tulowitzki-MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba- Re-sign!! he's en Fuego!!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!
uhhhhhhyep
he’s the “you’re one of the guys who got us here” type of guys
Hope got in my eyes
by Andrew Martin on Dec 15, 2009 8:59 PM MST up reply actions
maybe he just really wants to test his playoff team streak...
I mean really, if he signs a one year contract and can get the Nationals there, he can probably write his own check in 2011.
Dammit Hizilla
this is the season of miracles, quit being such a scrooge
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
If I got like 4 hours of sunlight a day, I'd be the grinch too
Waiting out the Rockies' offseason by watching the Broncos succeeding at not failing to fail once the giddy rush of success has failed.
by Silverblood on Dec 15, 2009 10:08 PM MST up reply actions
He's tired of that whole
“Ive been to the playoffs every season I’ve been in the majors” thing
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
don't we get a pick for Marquis declining arb?
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Dec 15, 2009 9:03 PM MST up reply actions
We would get the Nationals second rounder if he signs with them,
the first pick of the second round, in other words, as well as a supplemental pick between rounds so long as no other Type A free agent signs with them.
Marquis is a Type B,
so only a sandwich pick.
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I'm gonna make so much money for betting on the Nats when they win the NL East this year
actually I’m not and I won’t and I will never be anything but grindingly poor
i know it
Waiting out the Rockies' offseason by watching the Broncos succeeding at not failing to fail once the giddy rush of success has failed.
you and your obscure stats
Hope got in my eyes
by Andrew Martin on Dec 15, 2009 10:28 PM MST up reply actions
I hope he doesn't sign with the Nats
talk about wasting talent and time right there.
Making facetious trade rumors since 2012AD
by lizardlad01 on Dec 16, 2009 12:33 AM MST up reply actions
Why am I still here
I have two days to do nothing (well, clean up and stuff, but I could have done that before) and one meaningless class on Thursday night. Then I go back on Friday.
Waiting out the Rockies' offseason by watching the Broncos succeeding at not failing to fail once the giddy rush of success has failed.
by Silverblood on Dec 15, 2009 10:35 PM MST up reply actions
I finished my last final of the semester today...
one more semester left before I hit the job market, kicking and screaming.
Eschew Obfuscation!
by Jeff Aberle on Dec 16, 2009 12:35 AM MST up reply actions
I really need to suggest
grad school. If you currently in grad school…doctorate. If you have your PhD, then you should suddenly rediscover yourself and start again.
in other words…do ANYTHING to not get into the job market now.
I just really do not get what
what the Phillies were thinking on this deal. They seemed to have gotten the least tangible goods of everyone. I like that it balances their rotation more with the righty but trading stars for stars is always a risky prop.
by PinchHitLancePainter on Dec 16, 2009 6:48 AM MST reply actions
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