Thursday Rockpile: Garrett Atkins agrees with Baltimore, Carroll to play in LA, Lopez in AZ
by Rox Girl on Dec 17, 2009 8:05 AM MST
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We're seeing a rush of transactions this week as teams and players try to put things in place before things will get very quiet around the Christmas and New Year's holiday period. Yesterday was pretty significant for several important members of the Rockies 2007 pennant winning team. We learned:
- That Garrett Atkins would sign with Baltimore
- Jamey Carroll is heading to play with the Dodgers
- Rodrigo Lopez will be pitching with Arizona, or maybe Reno
- And that now that they have his good friend Atkins, the Orioles are also interested in Matt Holliday.
Thomas Harding has quite a bit of news in his latest Hot Stove Report for the Rockies official site, including Dan O'Dowd's reaction to the Carroll signing, where he states that the team's desire is to find a more offensive oriented utility player, but Harding then includes Nick Green in the subsequent list of potential candidates anyway. If Carroll's offensive utility isn't enough for the Rockies, Green's certainly wouldn't qualify and I'm a bit skeptical about Quinlan as well.
The other two players mentioned, Fernando Tatis and Melvin Mora, should project to be worth more at the plate than Carroll. I think Tatis is my preferred target because he's also a competent defender, but Mora does have that intriguing angle that signing him would mean that the Rockies and Orioles basically swapped their once great but recently disappointing third basemen.
Harding also includes the note that Jose Contreras wanted a three year contract, which the Rockies wisely walked away from, and repeating the news from yesterday that the team and Yorvit Torrealba seem to be drifting apart in negotiations, and Miguel Olivo is looming larger as a Plan B in the quest for backup catching.
Matthew Carruth at FanGraphs went over the shifting WAR value in the NL West from 2008 to 2009, finding that the Rockies jumped from 21st to 6th thanks mostly to a massive improvement in the pitching performance.
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Atkins will look quite good in an O's uniform
Best of luck to him.
ROCKEFELLER!!!
by Muzia on Dec 17, 2009 8:34 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
Only wish the best for him
and hope he can turn things around
by phishbate on Dec 17, 2009 8:35 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, I guess now I have a team to root for in AL East.
meh…okay I’ll root for Atty to do great things!
Dear Rockies-Thank you for a wonderful rollercoaster season! Best turnaround in MLB history to become NL Wild Card Champs.
Garrett Atkins-So Long, Farewell, Auf weidersehen, Goodbye!! You were a great Rockie! GOOD LUCK!
Troy Tulowitzki-MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba- Re-sign!! he's en Fuego!!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!
by SDcat09 on Dec 17, 2009 9:06 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I was gonna say
You were pretty mad about that O’s fan a month or two back.
Root for the Rays; even though their stadium’s garbage.
I wonder if Bud Selig will give the Yankees a receipt with their World Series purchase
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 17, 2009 12:19 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
hehe, funny I did think about that as I was posting
and that’s why I’ll stick with the Rays…
’
and may I say…you have quite a memory!
Dear Rockies-Thank you for a wonderful rollercoaster season! Best turnaround in MLB history to become NL Wild Card Champs.
Garrett Atkins-So Long, Farewell, Auf weidersehen, Goodbye!! You were a great Rockie! GOOD LUCK!
Troy Tulowitzki-MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba- Re-sign!! he's en Fuego!!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!
by SDcat09 on Dec 17, 2009 3:50 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I remember what I want to remember
Now ask me to remember all the terms I need to know for my finals it becomes much more difficult.
I wonder if Bud Selig will give the Yankees a receipt with their World Series purchase
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 17, 2009 6:25 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Let's start simple...
Do you remember what your finals are? If so do you know what topics will be covered?
JFK
by jrockies on Dec 17, 2009 6:26 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh no
Thankfully I’m not that delusional. It’s just that if there’s a discussion about baseball or some other leisure activity I tend to have a really good memory; but if it’s a set of notes I have to look over it usually takes a few read throughs before it sinks in.
I wonder if Bud Selig will give the Yankees a receipt with their World Series purchase
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 17, 2009 11:14 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Pitching
You left out the best sentence in the fangraphs article:
The Rockies high rating came as a result of their pitching staff, which graded out by WAR as the best in baseball, just barely ahead of the Red Sox.
by phishbate on Dec 17, 2009 8:40 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
We pitch in CORZ FELD
That has to be an accounting error.
ROCKEFELLER!!!
by Muzia on Dec 17, 2009 8:47 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
this
just blew me away! Do you think it is possible for us to be able to hit 100 wins next season?
the time between the season ending and spring training makes me feel dead inside.
by Maria M on Dec 17, 2009 8:48 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Would be great but I wouldn't bet on it
I’m very skeptical that much of the staff can improved over 2009 (uball being an exception). Regardless, I still feel far more confident in the pitching compared to previous years. I think the staff will still be extremely solid.
by phishbate on Dec 17, 2009 8:51 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
If we're lucky, it's definitely possible.
I think the team’s right around a 90 win talent team right now, with some good fortune or mismatches with one or two of our divisional opponents, we could bump up to 100.
by Rox Girl on Dec 17, 2009 8:52 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I really want to see the Rockies replacement
for Marquis in the Rotation. Is it Francis? Since win’s are so much about pitching, I really would like to have another quality Starting Pitcher going into spring training before saying it’s a 90 win team.
Right now the rotation of U. Jiminez, Cook, JDLR, Hammel-time, and Francis to me seems….shaky for lack of a better word. Mostly due to Hammel’s inconsistencies especially at home, and Francis was on a decline BEFORE he was hurt for an entire year.
by Redhawk on Dec 17, 2009 8:57 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
How was Francis on a decline?
He received Cy Young votes in 2007, and was pitching through injury in 2008. He showed signs of arm fatigue from the long postseason the year before (like many pitchers do), but I don’t see how you can say there are “signs of regression” Care to elaborate on that?
ROCKEFELLER!!!
by Muzia on Dec 17, 2009 9:02 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
To be fair
I completely agree with you that Francis is an enormous question mark in the rotation. The odds are certainly against him that he recovers from this injury as the same pitcher he was before. However, I really don’t believe he was in decline before his injury-shortened season.
ROCKEFELLER!!!
by Muzia on Dec 17, 2009 9:19 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
hypothetical
if we were down to a choice between Marquis or Francis with money being no factor, who would you want?
Dear Rockies-Thank you for a wonderful rollercoaster season! Best turnaround in MLB history to become NL Wild Card Champs.
Garrett Atkins-So Long, Farewell, Auf weidersehen, Goodbye!! You were a great Rockie! GOOD LUCK!
Troy Tulowitzki-MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba- Re-sign!! he's en Fuego!!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!
by SDcat09 on Dec 17, 2009 9:21 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Francis, if he was guaranteed to be healthy
But Marquis this season solely because we know what he brings to the table.
ROCKEFELLER!!!
by Muzia on Dec 17, 2009 9:22 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
great question
I’d go with Marquis for the Rockies as a sinker baller works great at Coors. (that and guys that throw 95 with great breaking stuff, but those are hard to find, and we already have 2).
Now if I was San Francisco or San Diego or Seattle….Francis
by Redhawk on Dec 17, 2009 9:24 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I dunno, Marquis is a good luck charm.
Bored. Lazy. Crazy. Screaming. Counting. Another day in the life of a Rockaholic.
by prettyinpurple on Dec 17, 2009 6:36 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
numbers
06, 07, 08
ERA: 4.16 4.22 5.01
ERA+ 118, 114, 93
IP: 199, 215, 143
H/9: 8.5 9.8 10.3
HR/9: .08, 1.0, 1.3
so/9 5.3, 6.9, 8.9
Now if 08 was just because of pitching through injury there is less cause for concern, but 08 was not a stellar year for Jeff. Mosty I don’t like the type of pitcher he is, as it’s not the type I’d have at Coors, and that is a soft throwing lefty. They have to have pin point control, which Jeff hasn’t had. NOW he’s coming off of injury and that will hurt his control even more.
I’ve said, he’s a guy, I’d trade, and not look back as he ends up with a good career in a park that suited him more.
by Redhawk on Dec 17, 2009 9:21 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I have trouble accepting 2008 as "decline"
I see it as arm fatigue from the previous year. Even watching him that year (when he wasn’t on the DL) you could tell he wasn’t the same pitcher he was the previous year, he was pitching hurt. If you ignore the numbers from 2008, I really don’t see much of a decline.
Your point about being the correct pitcher for Coors is well put, he is of a different breed than the rest of our staff at the moment. If he proves healthy enough, and with our upcoming pitching talent, I cold see him as a trade possibility.
ROCKEFELLER!!!
by Muzia on Dec 17, 2009 9:27 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
and then you know he ended up needing surgery
This offseason is completely boring.
http://www.youtube.com/user/rockiesmagicnumber
by Andrew Martin on Dec 17, 2009 9:30 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
which is exactly why we can't count the 2008 numbers
as part of a long term “decline”. Decline is a career term, injuries are a season (or two, in this case) issue.
ROCKEFELLER!!!
by Muzia on Dec 17, 2009 9:32 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
(I was building on your case, muzia)
This offseason is completely boring.
http://www.youtube.com/user/rockiesmagicnumber
by Andrew Martin on Dec 17, 2009 9:33 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
But injuries and surgeries also can be part of a player's overall decline
and quite often accelerate it. I don’t think we should take Francis’ 2008 at total face value, but Redhawk’s not wrong to consider it part of an overall downward trend for Francis.
by Rox Girl on Dec 17, 2009 9:36 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
like I said, he is an enormous question mark and I would like other rotation candidates at camp this year because of the uncertainty involved.
ROCKEFELLER!!!
by Muzia on Dec 17, 2009 9:44 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I think that's the big question
what level of “other rotation candidates” do the Rockies bring in? Kip Wells? Or Eric Bedard? or someone in between?
by Redhawk on Dec 17, 2009 9:52 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
My guess would be somewhere in between
We don’t need any top of the rotation guys as FA, but we certainly don’t need a rehashing of the Kip Wells Experiment. I’m not sure what names are left out there worth pursuing.
ROCKEFELLER!!!
by Muzia on Dec 17, 2009 10:13 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Here ya go
Mike Hampton is available…and I think he still owes the Rockies some starts/wins
by Redhawk on Dec 17, 2009 10:18 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
the sad thing is I almost suggested that a couple of days ago
We are already paying him for another 9 years, might as well get some use out of him
ROCKEFELLER!!!
by Muzia on Dec 17, 2009 10:20 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
pinch hitter if nothing else :)
Dear Rockies-Thank you for a wonderful rollercoaster season! Best turnaround in MLB history to become NL Wild Card Champs.
Garrett Atkins-So Long, Farewell, Auf weidersehen, Goodbye!! You were a great Rockie! GOOD LUCK!
Troy Tulowitzki-MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba- Re-sign!! he's en Fuego!!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!
by SDcat09 on Dec 17, 2009 10:21 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
JJ?
Just kidding. Or am I?
"I clearly miscalculated how popular it would be to show Calvin urinating on a Ford logo"--Bill Watterson
by frightenedinmate#2 on Dec 17, 2009 12:06 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
And I would actually prefer Hampton just writing a check to the Rockies for about $10 million and saying “no hard feelings.”
"I clearly miscalculated how popular it would be to show Calvin urinating on a Ford logo"--Bill Watterson
by frightenedinmate#2 on Dec 17, 2009 12:06 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
or not cashing our checks between now and 2017
That would work too
ROCKEFELLER!!!
by Muzia on Dec 17, 2009 12:08 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I think there’s fairly compelling evidence that Francis was trying to pitch through an injury all season in 2008 – I think he as much admitted it when he went under the knife last year. But even with that evidence, there’s precedent for pitchers struggling after a season of heavy workload that includes a deep postseason run – just look at Cole Hamels last season, throwing more innings than ever before in 2008 and never quite finding a groove in 09 due in part to wear and tear.
Now I’m not saying Francis is a sure bet in 2010. I think he’s a smart pitcher and the fact that he is a ‘soft throwing lefty’ makes him a good fit in our rotation, which has become mostly power-oriented with the strikeouts from Jimenez and de la Rosa and Cook’s sinker. I think he offers a different look that could make him tough to hit if he’s throwing the third game of a three-game set behind two of those three guys. This is all very best case since none of us knows how his shoulder will respond, but I think his advantage coming off the injury is that he won’t have to reinvent himself. He’s not going to lose 5-6 ticks off his fastball. He’ll be the same guy he’s always been, it’ll just be a matter of regaining feel and command… and if he does that, it’s going to be really great to have him back.
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the whole time." - Jim Bouton
by Franchise26 on Dec 17, 2009 9:30 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
He SHOULDN'T lose speed on his fastball
but he did in 08 (which was part of his problem). If he doesn’t regain that speed difference we end up with a Zito with out the great breaking curve.
Also he might lose some control, which would be bad as well.
All of this plus Hammel being fair, if I were o’dud, I’d really be looking at bringing in a pitcher.
Names: Jason Schmidt, Pedro Martinez both vets, that have a little left, and I’d assume to be had cheep. AND Ben Sheets.
Mark Prior is available as well. He’d be a big name to be on our disabled list.
by Redhawk on Dec 17, 2009 9:38 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
we end up with a Zito with out the great breaking curve.
and the crippling contract
This offseason is completely boring.
http://www.youtube.com/user/rockiesmagicnumber
by Andrew Martin on Dec 17, 2009 9:40 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
If Jeff Francis pitches anything like Barry Zito did last year – or in 2007 for that matter – we’ll be in pretty good shape. We no longer need Francis to be an ace – we’ll take a league average lefty who serves as a change of pace in our rotation.
I’m prepared for anything with Francis. I know there were some early reports that were very encouraging about his arm strength. Some guys come back from shoulder surgery and pitch very well. Some are never the same.
I’m not saying the Rockies shouldn’t hedge their bets – but frankly, Martinez and Schmidt aren’t guys you hedge your bets with. Martinez is going to want a guaranteed rotation slot and somebody will give it to him. Same goes for Sheets. Schmidt is done like yesterday’s dinner.
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the whole time." - Jim Bouton
by Franchise26 on Dec 17, 2009 9:43 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Well if Sheets is ready
he should be in a rotation, even the Rockies. I’m sure he could bump out Francis or Hammel, and I have no problem with that.
Pedro and Schmidt, maybe would be on that level, and would really look for a team that did have the obvious opening, which the Rockies don’t have.
by Redhawk on Dec 17, 2009 9:56 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
If people think there was a weardown
in the later part of the season for Marquis, what do you think they would say to having Pedro or Jason Schmidt in the rotation… They wouldn’t last to the All-Star break and would be a waste of a roster spot.
The oxen are slow, but the earth is patient.
by rockieprogress on Dec 17, 2009 11:47 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe after the All-Star break
we’ll have some starters ready from the Sky Sox to make up for the tired arms?
Thanks for a great season of Baseball!
I'll be back next year for another ride.
by TripleT-Rox on Dec 17, 2009 3:57 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
I don’t see obvious replacements. Sheets is not coming to try to revive his career at Coors. Any FA pitchers with legitimate other options are going to shy away, and the ones that won’t shy aren’t good enough. Perhaps another Hammel type trade is possible, who knows. But I suspect we ride with Francis or the dudes already on the team.
by Teekalong on Dec 17, 2009 10:22 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
that's the issue
to up grade over Hammel or Francis, they have to be a pretty decent type pitcher. And those, are usually over-priced.
by Redhawk on Dec 17, 2009 10:29 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd totally dig on Sheets
but apparently he wants 2 years
This offseason is completely boring.
http://www.youtube.com/user/rockiesmagicnumber
by Andrew Martin on Dec 17, 2009 12:59 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Wouldn't be the worst gamble in the world
imo
by Hizilla on Dec 17, 2009 7:37 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I mistyped.
3 years.
This offseason is completely boring.
http://www.youtube.com/user/rockiesmagicnumber
by Andrew Martin on Dec 18, 2009 12:02 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I must've
apparently they want $12M, but I’m not seeing # of years.
This offseason is completely boring.
http://www.youtube.com/user/rockiesmagicnumber
by Andrew Martin on Dec 18, 2009 6:16 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Also I think you misspelled a name in there. It’s “Executive of the Year Dan O’Dowd”. I know old habits die hard sometimes.
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the whole time." - Jim Bouton
by Franchise26 on Dec 17, 2009 9:45 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah I'm gonna not use that particular term....
This offseason is completely boring.
http://www.youtube.com/user/rockiesmagicnumber
by Andrew Martin on Dec 17, 2009 1:00 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Executive of the Year Dan O'Dud...
he’s our Dud and we love him.. at least lately :)
Dear Rockies-Thank you for a wonderful rollercoaster season! Best turnaround in MLB history to become NL Wild Card Champs.
Garrett Atkins-So Long, Farewell, Auf weidersehen, Goodbye!! You were a great Rockie! GOOD LUCK!
Troy Tulowitzki-MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba- Re-sign!! he's en Fuego!!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!
by SDcat09 on Dec 17, 2009 10:00 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
The fastball is my main concern
I recall watching Jeff match up with Hamels in 2007 playoffs and thinking to myself “these guys are not terribly far apart”. Jeff was consistently at 90 or so, and while he never had Hamels’ curve, his stuff was solid. But then came 2008 where he was barely sitting at 85 and he does not have the control to be effective there.
I agree 2008 needs to be discounted due to, in my eyes, an obvious injury or mechanical problem. Guys don’t lose 5mph in one offseason (unless he was juicing or something, which would shock me considering his build). I’m pretty hopeful that he can recover, but the concerns about him are valid. He’s one of the 2/3 biggest questions coming in to next year in terms of how good we can be (the others to me are CDI and Stew).
by Teekalong on Dec 17, 2009 10:20 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
those are my big 3 as well
and how they do will go a long way in how the Rockies end up.
by Redhawk on Dec 17, 2009 10:22 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think we can fully discount 2008.
Avoid reading too much into it, sure, but any number of problems from that injury or the mechanical problems it caused (not to mention the resulting surgery) could come back to haunt us. I have no problem with planning to put Francis there at this point, but a backup couldn’t hurt (however, as I’ve stated before, we don’t need to be heavy players on the FA SP market regardless, unless there’s another injury concern, as we do have a significant amount of young SP depth that is closer to being ready than, say, Greg Reynolds was in 2008.).
by WolfMarauder on Dec 17, 2009 10:23 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Greg Smith is our Francis insurance right now, and that's not a terrible thing...
him and Morales, who still has a high ceiling.
Eschew Obfuscation!
by Jeff Aberle on Dec 17, 2009 11:23 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Morales
might really be that guy. I really didn’t consider him and should have.
Greg Smith, is another soft throwing lefty…which I pretty much dismiss on principle.
and don’t let us forget Greg Reynolds (not sure why we need to remember him, but we shouldn’t forget him)
by Redhawk on Dec 17, 2009 11:33 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Dismissing soft throwing lefties on principle might be why you and I don’t get along. ;) We’re a brotherhood, you know.
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the whole time." - Jim Bouton
by Franchise26 on Dec 17, 2009 11:34 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I have a soft-spot for them like I do for little base-stealing middle infielders.
I just don’t like them on the Rockies.
by Redhawk on Dec 17, 2009 11:38 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I think the team is pretty set on Morales as a reliever for next season,
and would only move him back to the rotation in a disaster scenario where several other guys falter, including Francis, Smith, Samuel Dedunon, Jhoulys Chacin and Esmil Rogers. And yeah, probably Greg Reynolds too.
I think people should probably pay more attention to Deduno, the team really seems to think he’s ready to contribute. He and Smith seem to be getting the most low level buzz internally.
by Rox Girl on Dec 17, 2009 11:38 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm definitly keeping my eye on Deduno
It’s hard not to considering the year he put up. But I still feel his eventual destination will be the pen.
by mkorpal on Dec 17, 2009 11:45 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I think they are "set" on him as a reliever, but the plan is still to tret him like a starter in ST (in terms of innings pitched)
I assume that should a disaster scenario happen to the rotation (Francis or otherwise), Morales would probably fit higher in the mix than some of our youngsters, but yes, the plan is certainly to put him in the pen all other things being normal.
by WolfMarauder on Dec 17, 2009 12:55 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Do the Rox
get an extra year on his contract since he was out a whole season without increasing the payout? ;)
Thanks for a great season of Baseball!
I'll be back next year for another ride.
by TripleT-Rox on Dec 17, 2009 3:55 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I think the trend continues to be forward with our pitching,
I definitely see the team taking a step back in starter production in 2010, but I think the team could still win as many games with better offense (the Rockies only scored 4.3 runs/game for Ubaldo last year, if it’s over five like our other four primary starters, he could have won 20 games) and like I said, it would also require luck to be on our side.
I think Cook could rebound and win more to take up some of that Marquis slack, Jimenez could win more with run support and Hammel probably should have had more W’s given how well he pitched overall last season as well. If he does get some consistency, which is quite possible given that he’s still a young and maturing pitcher, he’ll have more success. If each of those three each get two more wins, Francis would only need nine for the Rockies to match Marquis’ 15 win total.
by Rox Girl on Dec 17, 2009 9:21 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Also along those lines
Having a better pen will help protect our starters. We forget how awful the pen was at the beginning last year. A full year of Bets and Morales, plus a healthy Corpas, Buccholz, and Weathers will go a long way.
by mkorpal on Dec 17, 2009 10:23 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Very good point
and cannot be overstated. The pen really hurt us last year in the beginning (along with everyone else on the team not named Hawpe or Marquis)
by Teekalong on Dec 17, 2009 10:24 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Pen...
Can we really count on Weathers for anything? Coming off of injury is one thing, buy injury + never pitching in the bigs is quite another. I think anything we get out of Weathers is icing on the cake – the potential Daley for next year.
by attackparrot on Dec 17, 2009 12:48 PM MST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Weathers wouldn't make the team straight out.
He’s have to be a midseason add, and that depends on too many factors, including, as you mentioned, his health, to really predict whether or not he’ll be making the leap this year. Injury included, he still represents basically our best pure minor league bullpen option, other than moving one of our young starters to the role.
by WolfMarauder on Dec 17, 2009 12:57 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't want to give away everything...
That part was very nice. Unfortunately, while I think our pitching in 2010 will still be very good, it was probably quite a bit of a fluke that we were best in baseball last season.
by Rox Girl on Dec 17, 2009 8:49 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
hahahahahahahahaha!!!
this may be the only time I will say yay for WAR…it must be an infallible system :P
yes I squealed :)
Dear Rockies-Thank you for a wonderful rollercoaster season! Best turnaround in MLB history to become NL Wild Card Champs.
Garrett Atkins-So Long, Farewell, Auf weidersehen, Goodbye!! You were a great Rockie! GOOD LUCK!
Troy Tulowitzki-MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba- Re-sign!! he's en Fuego!!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!
by SDcat09 on Dec 17, 2009 9:08 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
hey now...
I resemble that remark :)
Dear Rockies-Thank you for a wonderful rollercoaster season! Best turnaround in MLB history to become NL Wild Card Champs.
Garrett Atkins-So Long, Farewell, Auf weidersehen, Goodbye!! You were a great Rockie! GOOD LUCK!
Troy Tulowitzki-MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba- Re-sign!! he's en Fuego!!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!
by SDcat09 on Dec 17, 2009 9:14 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I've been writing about this for months...
I guess nobody reads my articles.
Eschew Obfuscation!
by Jeff Aberle on Dec 17, 2009 11:24 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Seeing the line Fangraphs article
without any shock or mention of altitude, etc is what I enjoyed. That’s a bit different than analysis by a Rockies fan on a Rockies blog. Your articles are being read :)
by phishbate on Dec 17, 2009 11:28 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
on fangraphs?
This offseason is completely boring.
http://www.youtube.com/user/rockiesmagicnumber
by Andrew Martin on Dec 17, 2009 1:01 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
point is if I write Ubaldo is Awesome we all say "rec" "+1" "lurve"
but if RJ Anderson writes Ubaldo is Awesome we all think "yay someone not blatantly in the team’s pocket (like we all are) loves Ubaldo too yayyy
This offseason is completely boring.
http://www.youtube.com/user/rockiesmagicnumber
by Andrew Martin on Dec 18, 2009 6:17 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Best defenders of the decade (according to UZR)
I think this illustrates the limits of UZR more than anything but is interesting nonetheless.
Holliday made the list.
by phishbate on Dec 17, 2009 8:46 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
how is Helton not on this list?
Dear Rockies-Thank you for a wonderful rollercoaster season! Best turnaround in MLB history to become NL Wild Card Champs.
Garrett Atkins-So Long, Farewell, Auf weidersehen, Goodbye!! You were a great Rockie! GOOD LUCK!
Troy Tulowitzki-MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba- Re-sign!! he's en Fuego!!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!
by SDcat09 on Dec 17, 2009 9:10 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Because he was worse defensively over the decade
than Barry Bonds, Juan Pierre, Matt Holliday? (just kidding of course)
Torri Hunter is also not on the list. Overall I think it’s a decent list, but there are a couple issues with UZR that really seem to undervalue some players. There is still a lot of work that has to be done on defensive stats.
by phishbate on Dec 17, 2009 9:14 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
so then if they are issues with UZR then maybe Hawpe isn't as bad as that number would suggest :):)
just me….okay then…:)
/thank you for joining me for SDCat’s daily “In Defense of Brad Hawpe”.
Dear Rockies-Thank you for a wonderful rollercoaster season! Best turnaround in MLB history to become NL Wild Card Champs.
Garrett Atkins-So Long, Farewell, Auf weidersehen, Goodbye!! You were a great Rockie! GOOD LUCK!
Troy Tulowitzki-MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba- Re-sign!! he's en Fuego!!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!
by SDcat09 on Dec 17, 2009 9:19 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
evvvvery system has hawpe as awful, sorry m'dear
This offseason is completely boring.
http://www.youtube.com/user/rockiesmagicnumber
by Andrew Martin on Dec 17, 2009 9:29 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
lalalalalala...
/hands over ears
I can’t hear youuuuu:)P
Dear Rockies-Thank you for a wonderful rollercoaster season! Best turnaround in MLB history to become NL Wild Card Champs.
Garrett Atkins-So Long, Farewell, Auf weidersehen, Goodbye!! You were a great Rockie! GOOD LUCK!
Troy Tulowitzki-MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba- Re-sign!! he's en Fuego!!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!
by SDcat09 on Dec 17, 2009 9:30 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
but you apparently aren't
covering your eyes as you read the post
JFK
by jrockies on Dec 17, 2009 1:53 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Hawpe
is has 1st base as his future.
Thanks for a great season of Baseball!
I'll be back next year for another ride.
by TripleT-Rox on Dec 17, 2009 4:10 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
speaking of back up 3rdbasemen/Utility players
why haven’t we heard Juan Uribe’s name thrown around at all? Is he really a starting guy? Is he really going to demand a lot of money on the open market? He seems to be good fit for the Rockies needs.
by Redhawk on Dec 17, 2009 8:53 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
I agree, but I wonder if there are some bridges that have been burned there.
I would probably prefer Uribe to Mora, but I still think I’d like Tatis more.
by Rox Girl on Dec 17, 2009 8:55 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
but, I’m not a Tatis fan from his days with the Rangers. He was a roider, so any success he’s had lately I question, as being just a good tester.
Now if we can get Mora from 5 years ago…I’m all for it.
by Redhawk on Dec 17, 2009 8:59 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Mora from two years ago wouldn't be terrible, either
There’s just that lingering fear that he’ll only be as good as last year from here on out.
by Rox Girl on Dec 17, 2009 9:09 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
I’m definitely not a fan of agin, post-roids guys, but for a bench position I can live with it.
by Teekalong on Dec 17, 2009 10:26 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Are you OK
with Giambi….I think he took PED’s?
Thanks for a great season of Baseball!
I'll be back next year for another ride.
by TripleT-Rox on Dec 17, 2009 4:11 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I could live with Uribe
I’m not a fan of Tatis…
Dear Rockies-Thank you for a wonderful rollercoaster season! Best turnaround in MLB history to become NL Wild Card Champs.
Garrett Atkins-So Long, Farewell, Auf weidersehen, Goodbye!! You were a great Rockie! GOOD LUCK!
Troy Tulowitzki-MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba- Re-sign!! he's en Fuego!!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!
by SDcat09 on Dec 17, 2009 9:12 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
The problem with Juan Uribe is that he might actually eat Dexter Fowler. As in, physically consume him. Uribe’s fat as hell. I used to wonder if between him and Sandoval, if any of the other Giants players ever even got a chance to get at the postgame spread. There’s also the fact that he’s only ever had two good offensive seasons – 05 and last year – with a whole lot of crappy years in the middle. I don’t trust him.
I like Tatis a lot better because he can ably handle an outfield corner without embarrassing himself or the team he’s on, and I’m all about that roster flexibility. If you can get a 100+ OPS+ off the bench, that’s pretty good. Plus, when I fill a bench spot I prefer to use guys who have proven themselves as reserve players.
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the whole time." - Jim Bouton
by Franchise26 on Dec 17, 2009 9:24 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I say
we bring in Uribe, Sidney Ponson, and Bartlo Colon and have an eating contest!
by Redhawk on Dec 17, 2009 10:19 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Winner gets a spot on the team.
Eschew Obfuscation!
by Jeff Aberle on Dec 17, 2009 11:28 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Ray King would come out of retirement.
This offseason is completely boring.
http://www.youtube.com/user/rockiesmagicnumber
by Andrew Martin on Dec 17, 2009 1:01 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I figured washed out = retirement
don’t split hairs on a fat guy joke man
This offseason is completely boring.
http://www.youtube.com/user/rockiesmagicnumber
by Andrew Martin on Dec 17, 2009 1:11 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Here's something totally off topic
but here’s a Christmas song, and version that has been stuck in my head for a few days….so I thought I’d share. Wait till you get to about 2:30 mark for the song to really change and get in your head.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9m7R_ummj94
(disclaimer: I said it was 1) off topic, 2) it’s a Christmas song…if some how Christmas offends you don’t click on this link…and if Christmas offends you, you might wonder why you are so sensitive)
by Redhawk on Dec 17, 2009 9:30 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
DEVO DOES CHRISTMAS
This offseason is completely boring.
http://www.youtube.com/user/rockiesmagicnumber
by Andrew Martin on Dec 17, 2009 9:31 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I can see why you didn't link the video of the actual group singing it
This offseason is completely boring.
http://www.youtube.com/user/rockiesmagicnumber
by Andrew Martin on Dec 17, 2009 9:37 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
well there is 2 of them
and one has crappy sound…and one…well..lets just say the “extra” seems pretty odd for Christmas song! (lmao….thinking you just saw that!)
by Redhawk on Dec 17, 2009 9:39 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
little spinning figurines
“well that just looks awkward”
This offseason is completely boring.
http://www.youtube.com/user/rockiesmagicnumber
by Andrew Martin on Dec 17, 2009 9:40 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
#1 Christmas selling song in 1978
and I don’t remember it all. (yeah, I’m old enough to remember 78). Now I can’t get this version out of my head
by Redhawk on Dec 17, 2009 9:44 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Ok, here's another one
Another Christmas hit from “Boney M”, though it’s actually not about Christmas, and rather a version of Psalm 137.
I’m in a weird musical mood today.
by Redhawk on Dec 17, 2009 10:26 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Another one?
I want my 4 minutes back from the first video.
The oxen are slow, but the earth is patient.
by rockieprogress on Dec 17, 2009 11:59 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
don't watch the video
just listen the music….and then try not to hum the last half of it (the first song that is)
by Redhawk on Dec 17, 2009 12:02 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
haha
I like it
Dex Knows
Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. -C.S. Lewis
by RockiesDave on Dec 17, 2009 9:37 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Still not as good as claymation christmas though
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bMRoPiFAxk
Dex Knows
Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. -C.S. Lewis
by RockiesDave on Dec 17, 2009 9:45 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
REEMIIIIXXXXXXX
break it down camelz
"There are only two important things in life: baseball and breathing. But at least you can survive without breathing for 3 minutes."
www.soundclick.com/hollidayrain
by Hollidayrain on Dec 17, 2009 10:01 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Much better
The oxen are slow, but the earth is patient.
by rockieprogress on Dec 17, 2009 12:00 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Claymation is fun BUT
“We Three Kings” has the most annoyingly repetitive chorus… :P
by KelseyC on Dec 17, 2009 10:28 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I got in to where the beat started
My head started bobbing and I went “Uh-oh…”
by KelseyC on Dec 17, 2009 10:27 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Hmmm interesting report coming in from foxsports
“Rockies end talks with Torrealba”
That’s pretty definitive.
"There are only two important things in life: baseball and breathing. But at least you can survive without breathing for 3 minutes."
www.soundclick.com/hollidayrain
by Hollidayrain on Dec 17, 2009 10:18 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
I'm glad they showed some spine
This offseason is completely boring.
http://www.youtube.com/user/rockiesmagicnumber
by Andrew Martin on Dec 17, 2009 1:02 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Well
I guess that settles it. I hope for the best for him.
I also hope we can take the cash we were going to give him and invest it somewhere. Maybe Sheets or Bedard?
by mkorpal on Dec 17, 2009 10:24 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
maybe Duchscherer?
"There are only two important things in life: baseball and breathing. But at least you can survive without breathing for 3 minutes."
www.soundclick.com/hollidayrain
by Hollidayrain on Dec 17, 2009 10:27 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
second
This offseason is completely boring.
http://www.youtube.com/user/rockiesmagicnumber
by Andrew Martin on Dec 17, 2009 1:02 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
yep
He’s a pretty awful hitter. Those homers look nice on paper, but that guy swings at ANYTHING. I watched a couple at bats from him last year….godawful
"There are only two important things in life: baseball and breathing. But at least you can survive without breathing for 3 minutes."
www.soundclick.com/hollidayrain
by Hollidayrain on Dec 17, 2009 10:27 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
we don't need anymore hackers...
:(
Dear Rockies-Thank you for a wonderful rollercoaster season! Best turnaround in MLB history to become NL Wild Card Champs.
Garrett Atkins-So Long, Farewell, Auf weidersehen, Goodbye!! You were a great Rockie! GOOD LUCK!
Troy Tulowitzki-MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba- Re-sign!! he's en Fuego!!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!
by SDcat09 on Dec 17, 2009 10:28 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe they could put
Barmes behind the plate…
The oxen are slow, but the earth is patient.
by rockieprogress on Dec 17, 2009 12:02 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
He could still pretty easily be more productive than Torrealba.
by WolfMarauder on Dec 17, 2009 10:28 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
true
Yorvit’s 2009 was a ridiculous aberration to his career pattern…that’s for sure
"There are only two important things in life: baseball and breathing. But at least you can survive without breathing for 3 minutes."
www.soundclick.com/hollidayrain
by Hollidayrain on Dec 17, 2009 10:29 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
he is a pretty good defensive catcher
and that really is the proto-type back up catcher.
by Redhawk on Dec 17, 2009 10:30 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I could write an article on it, but again, I'm running around like madman the next few days
For everyone who wants Bengie Molina…..Olivo is pretty comparable IMO
This offseason is completely boring.
http://www.youtube.com/user/rockiesmagicnumber
by Andrew Martin on Dec 17, 2009 1:02 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
man, if this is an accurate report
from Rosenthal…
/shaking head in great dismay
Dear Rockies-Thank you for a wonderful rollercoaster season! Best turnaround in MLB history to become NL Wild Card Champs.
Garrett Atkins-So Long, Farewell, Auf weidersehen, Goodbye!! You were a great Rockie! GOOD LUCK!
Troy Tulowitzki-MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba- Re-sign!! he's en Fuego!!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!
by SDcat09 on Dec 17, 2009 10:26 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Rosenthal and Morosi
Rosenthal’s credibility has gone up 100 fold from me though. He straight up called/pulled out his ass the Roy Halladay-Cliff Lee trade like a solid week or two before it happened!
"There are only two important things in life: baseball and breathing. But at least you can survive without breathing for 3 minutes."
www.soundclick.com/hollidayrain
by Hollidayrain on Dec 17, 2009 10:29 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
It was only a few days
But still, he called it. And I remember everyone laughing at the idea.
by mkorpal on Dec 17, 2009 10:30 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm cool with jusy Phillips and McKenry
Let them decide in ST, maybe invite another catcher to try out as well. Honestly, I have a hard time being concerned about our backup catcher.
by mkorpal on Dec 17, 2009 10:31 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Completely agree
I’d rather fill in-house than go out and spend any more money if it isn’t Torrealba. It doesn’t seem like the FO agrees with that plan from what I’ve read up to this point though.
by phishbate on Dec 17, 2009 10:33 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Probably because both Phillips or McKenry could end up contributing absolutely nothing, where the chances of Olivo doing that are much smaller.
They’ve already seemed to budget a certain amount for a backup catcher, so I don’t see it as a waste of money.
by WolfMarauder on Dec 17, 2009 10:35 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, but it would be nice to not have to spend the money, after all
Foxes are naughties
by crazedjohn on Dec 17, 2009 10:36 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
If it's already part of the budget, why not?
I mean, that’d be a good point if there were some other pressing need that would take away from… but it seems to me that they don’t consider that to be the case.
by WolfMarauder on Dec 17, 2009 10:37 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Why not use the money for something more valuable
Than our backup catcher. Especially when you can find them pretty easily.
by mkorpal on Dec 17, 2009 10:38 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't say "easily"
here’s your list of MLB free agents for catchers.
Catchers
Brad Ausmus (41)
Paul Bako (38)
Rod Barajas (34) – Type B, offered arb
Josh Bard (32)
Michael Barrett (33)
Toby Hall (34)
Bengie Molina (35) – Type A, not offered arb
Jose Molina (35)
Miguel Olivo (31) – Type B, not offered arb
Mike Redmond (39)
Mike Rivera (33)
Yorvit Torrealba (31) – Type B, not offered arb
Matt Treanor (34)
Javier Valentin (34)
by Redhawk on Dec 17, 2009 10:41 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
"This guy's dead!"
“Then mark him off the list.”
ROCKEFELLER!!!
by Muzia on Dec 17, 2009 10:45 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
"Cross him off then"
This offseason is completely boring.
http://www.youtube.com/user/rockiesmagicnumber
by Andrew Martin on Dec 17, 2009 1:03 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I think Redhawk's previous posts on this point
are good ones: in the post PED/greenies era, catchers need more time off. One of the reasons I think Yorvit was so good down the stretch this year was the (very sad) extended break he took during the year. Moreover, CDI has lost his job 2 of 3 years, and its fair to speculate that part of his problem is simply that he wears down. He seems to be in great shape but it is a hugely demanding position. (and he had a nice September in limited duty — I know this is just speculation). As such, I don’t think the best way to manage him is to put more weight on his shoulders.
I definitely want a competent (if not “good”) backup that we can feel confident will be a part of winning when he’s back there. So I dig that backup catcher is hardly a “premium” position, but good teams win with depth as much as they do elite talent, and don’t have throwaway ABs in 40-50 (or whatever) games.
by Teekalong on Dec 17, 2009 10:39 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think
That going with McKenry or Phillips would be that bad, and if the rest of the offense lived up to their potential, we could afford them to be.
Foxes are naughties
by crazedjohn on Dec 17, 2009 10:41 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not saying
that I know McKenry or Phillips are junk. I liked what I saw in Phillips’ limited duty this year, but very few seem confident that he’s capable of being that good consistently. And I’ve yet to read one thing suggesting McKenry is ready to be a productive MLB player at the plate. If these impressions are wrong, by all means, use these guys. My point is not that we need someone new, my point is that we need someone good. If we already have that, I’m all for it.
by Teekalong on Dec 17, 2009 10:45 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I've said this before, but I think people underestimate the leap from the PCL to the NL
The downgrade from even Miguel Olivo to either McKenry or Phillips at this point would be considerable, although there’s a chance that McKenry as a developing player has taken a large step forward to make it not quite as large a gap. I wouldn’t count on it, though, and as a contending team, I would much rather have the Rockies with a proven commodity there.
by Rox Girl on Dec 17, 2009 10:45 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I concede the point
I just like homegrown players better.
Foxes are naughties
by crazedjohn on Dec 17, 2009 10:47 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
How much of a downgrade is there
Olivo put up a statistical anomaly of a year last year. He will regress to his typical year, which is much worse that even Barmes.
by mkorpal on Dec 17, 2009 10:48 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
We plan to give Barmes money and have him play for us, yes?
If you are using starters as a benchmark for bad, we are going to have a terrible offense.
Foxes are naughties
by crazedjohn on Dec 17, 2009 10:51 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Just trying to point out
That he bats much like Barmes. Just hacks at everything. Connects with a few, but strikes out more than he should. Consider he has yet to put up a OBP of .300 yet.
by mkorpal on Dec 17, 2009 10:53 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I know
I just think it is sad how inconsistent and often bad Barmes is at the plate.
Foxes are naughties
by crazedjohn on Dec 17, 2009 10:54 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Barmes
is going to be much improved next year. You’ll see a more relaxed hitter, with quality swings and no hacking, during spring training. Y’all wait and see….
by butterfly on Dec 17, 2009 12:12 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm gonna doubt that
but it’s a fun thing to think about!
This offseason is completely boring.
http://www.youtube.com/user/rockiesmagicnumber
by Andrew Martin on Dec 17, 2009 1:04 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I think I'm on board with this.
Barmey will always have some power plus I don’t think he’ll have as low of an average as last year. As far as the “no hacking” goes, think we’ll have to wait and see on that one. He does like to chase the low and away.
People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring. ~Rogers Hornsby
by pedalpusher on Dec 17, 2009 2:16 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I will bet $5 that Barmes has an OBP in the top 5 of Rockies starters by 1st May.
Anyone want to take the bet?
by biondino on Dec 17, 2009 2:22 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Phillips' career high SLG in the PCL is .431
Which he did in 2004. Over the last three seasons in an extreme hitter’s league, he’s averaged a .302 OBP. You would be talking a likely MLB OPS in the .550 range at the high end of expectations. Olivo’s averaged a .723 OPS over the last three seasons, including the anomalous high of last year and the anomalous low of 2006 so it averages out. I still see a huge difference.
by Rox Girl on Dec 17, 2009 10:55 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe Phillips is a bad example.
I’m much more interested in McKenry anyway.
by mkorpal on Dec 17, 2009 10:57 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
There it gets dicier.
He could very well be a better option than Phillips right now, like I said, he’s a developing player so there’s a possibility that he’s taken a step forward, but we’re talking about a leap of two levels and given his performance in the Texas League, I still have a hard time believing he’d crack a .275 OBP in the majors in 2010. I really believe he’ll be ready by 2011 and a better option then Olivo at that point, but not next year.
by Rox Girl on Dec 17, 2009 11:02 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I know it is hard to tell exactly.
Is he playing winter ball anywhere?
BTW, .275 OBP is pretty much Olivo’s career average!!!
by mkorpal on Dec 17, 2009 11:06 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I know, but .275 is the upper end of my expectation for McKenry as a MLB'er in 2010
And I could really see a bone deep ugly season of the .190/.220/.300 variety.
by Rox Girl on Dec 17, 2009 11:19 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
the upside or pro-McKenry
is he would get to learn at the major league level. Learn the Rockies Pitchers, the other MLB hitters, etc.
Being an MLB catcher is a little like being a back up QB in the NFL, that they CAN get better by just learning the game. (where other positions, the only learning to be done is from actual playing time on the field)
by Redhawk on Dec 17, 2009 11:22 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
tell that to
the Kansas City Chiefs QB please
JFK
by jrockies on Dec 17, 2009 2:22 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
It also helps to not play for the Kansas City Chiefs....
ROCKEFELLER!!!
by Muzia on Dec 17, 2009 2:25 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
CHONE disagrees on the OBP
but then again, projections are all over the place anyhow
This offseason is completely boring.
http://www.youtube.com/user/rockiesmagicnumber
by Andrew Martin on Dec 17, 2009 1:04 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Did you see the OBP projection CHONE had for Wieters last season?
And how many people drafted him early for their fantasy teams because the projections were so spectacular…
That worked out really well for those of us that didn’t. CHONE could be right about McKenry, again the problem isn’t that he doesn’t have potential, the problem is that there’s little reliability that he’ll be ready to reach that potential this season. With established players, there’s a measure of reliability in the projections you just don’t have with guys that haven’t seen the majors and the fact is that the downside for these rookie players is abysmal if there are certain holes that MLB pitchers can exploit.
As a contending team and a team that has found much success splitting time with its catchers, our #2 backstop is no longer an unimportant post where we could hold onto a disaster all season, and it’s not as easily filled to replacement level as other positions if you make a mistake. Imagine if we were forced into giving 200 PA’s to Omar Quintanilla last year, that’s the kind of downside we’d be looking at, and the only solutions would be to push Iannetta to a breaking point or give up the farm in a trade. Really, I like McKenry a lot, but I’m not ready to marry him.
by Rox Girl on Dec 17, 2009 2:08 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm just citing counterpoints
Not so much that I disagree with you, but I’m glad that somebody finally said “uh CHONE isn’t always right” that isn’t me. That isn’t to say that this website are all mindless slaves to this particular projection system.
I always have trouble reading much into a minors-to-majors jump in that regard.
I’ve slowly moved into the “McKenry probably won’t be a smart choice” category.
That said, I’m all for Wil Rosario going all Pablo Sandoval on us.
This offseason is completely boring.
http://www.youtube.com/user/rockiesmagicnumber
by Andrew Martin on Dec 17, 2009 3:35 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
maybe this?
but I’m not sure how much Rosario like cake…
by phishbate on Dec 17, 2009 3:43 PM MST up reply actions 5 recs
AWESOME!
Thanks for a great season of Baseball!
I'll be back next year for another ride.
by TripleT-Rox on Dec 17, 2009 5:00 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
okay that is funny
but damn that had to hurt
Dear Rockies-Thank you for a wonderful rollercoaster season! Best turnaround in MLB history to become NL Wild Card Champs.
Garrett Atkins-So Long, Farewell, Auf weidersehen, Goodbye!! You were a great Rockie! GOOD LUCK!
Troy Tulowitzki-MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba- Re-sign!! he's en Fuego!!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!
by SDcat09 on Dec 17, 2009 5:04 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Pain is nothing if cake is your reward.
ROCKEFELLER!!!
by Muzia on Dec 17, 2009 5:24 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Do I really have to say it? Yes.
The cake is a lie.
…Old joke, I know, but it gets the lovely catchy song back in my head.
by KelseyC on Dec 17, 2009 10:37 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
So mean, yet so funny
I wonder if Bud Selig will give the Yankees a receipt with their World Series purchase
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 17, 2009 6:18 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
HAHAHA YES
This offseason is completely boring.
http://www.youtube.com/user/rockiesmagicnumber
by Andrew Martin on Dec 17, 2009 7:10 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
OmGod that's hilarious.
But so cruel. LMAO
Remember old folks, I'm just 17 years old =]
by GoRockies!! on Dec 17, 2009 10:30 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
more making the absurd jump from A+ to the majors
This offseason is completely boring.
http://www.youtube.com/user/rockiesmagicnumber
by Andrew Martin on Dec 17, 2009 7:10 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Do we have an idea
on what kind of contract Olivo is looking for?
ROCKEFELLER!!!
by Muzia on Dec 17, 2009 10:59 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Good question
I would expect it to be around what Yorvit was looking for.
by mkorpal on Dec 17, 2009 11:00 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
He had his $3.3M option turned down
but I’d assume he’d sign for around $2.5-3M per year. He wants to be a starter though, so that would affect what he’s looking for.
by phishbate on Dec 17, 2009 11:02 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
So how are we a serious contender for his services?
He wouldn’t be a starter here, not with that OBP, and we already ended talks with a candidate asking for the same amount of money. What logic am I missing here?
ROCKEFELLER!!!
by Muzia on Dec 17, 2009 11:06 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
The Royals declined his option, he didn't
The Rockies are apparently willing to offer a 2 year deal (I assume just under $6M total like Yorvit). There have been other teams interested but I haven’t heard anything recently besides the Rockies. I just think the Rockies would be at the bottom of his list if he receives multiple offers considering he wouldn’t be an everyday starter. He may not be in much position to pick and choose too much though.
by phishbate on Dec 17, 2009 11:09 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
The Giants have also expressed interest in Olivo.
And that situation isn’t much better than the Rockies with the wunderkind Posey in the mix. At this point he’s going to have to pick his poison between the two teams, and given the statements of the two F.O., I would assume both are offering a similar 2 yr contract around $5 million or maybe even a little less.
by Rox Girl on Dec 17, 2009 11:17 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
The available starting jobs are becoming more scarce,
New York is the only team lacking a real starter worthy catcher at this point, although San Francisco wants somebody at that level to help groom Posey for a season or two. Bengie Molina and Yorvit Torrealba are probably going to get those jobs (if Torrealba really isn’t coming back to the Rockies, it would be one of those two teams by default) and Olivo’s next best option would be a team like the Rockies that starts their backup 60 games a year.
by Rox Girl on Dec 17, 2009 11:13 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
taking a second look at the catchers
I’d rather have Javier Valentin. He has zero power, but hits in the .260 BA range, and .325 or so .OBP, than Olivo, then Toby Hall…but once you get to Toby Hall, i think McKenry becomes a viable option.
Jose Molina, really can’t hit at all anymore. Barrett never really could.
by Redhawk on Dec 17, 2009 11:19 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm surprised you like Bengie Molina so much but not Olivo,
Olivo’s just a slightly lesser version of Bengie. The thought with signing him would be that he could occasionally give you the big game winning HR, which is a little better than the occasional clutch walk or single that Valentin provides.
Bard’s an interesting option, because the Rockies apparently think something about him might be fixable from the last two seasons. I’m skeptical, but at least it’s a good hometown story.
by Rox Girl on Dec 17, 2009 11:24 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
if you concentrate on 09
then Olivo does fairly well compare to Molina stats, but not over their careers. Which really doesn’t mean anything going forward. If Molina declines like he did in 09, and Olivo can hold steady, you are right, that I should be more fired up for Olivo.
by Redhawk on Dec 17, 2009 11:28 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
This has already been mkentioned below by several posters, so advance apology for the redundancy..
… but Phillips and McKenry aolmost certainly would be a major downgrade. There’s ALWAYS a chance that Phillips could continue to perform way above expectations, or that McKenry could make a smooth adjustment to the MLB, but I see no reason that those assumptions are better than Miguel Olivo.
Think of it this way: any one of the three players could have a good year, but of the three, Olivo is almost certainly the least likely to be providing absolutely nothing to the team.
by WolfMarauder on Dec 17, 2009 1:04 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with all these points.
Russell Martin’s a great example of a catcher that just gets overused and fades every season because there isn’t a competent backup for him.
by Rox Girl on Dec 17, 2009 10:42 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
but good teams win with depth as much as they do elite talent
I’d say more so on depth. Injuries WILL happen, how much of a drop off is the issue. and with a back up catcher that will start more games then most other positions, it’s critical to have quality depth there.
by Redhawk on Dec 17, 2009 10:42 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I dunno, if CDI does not return to form or if he gets injured
a backup catcher becomes pretty darn critical…..
Dear Rockies-Thank you for a wonderful rollercoaster season! Best turnaround in MLB history to become NL Wild Card Champs.
Garrett Atkins-So Long, Farewell, Auf weidersehen, Goodbye!! You were a great Rockie! GOOD LUCK!
Troy Tulowitzki-MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba- Re-sign!! he's en Fuego!!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!
by SDcat09 on Dec 17, 2009 10:34 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, lets put it this way
2008, Iannetta was a top 5 catcher in the league. He was, simply put, amazing. His sophomore year, he regresses to above average. It wasn’t too surprising considering most of our top rookies have come out flat in their 2nd year.
Even if he doesn’t regain 08 form, he is still better than any backup catcher we can find.
by mkorpal on Dec 17, 2009 10:37 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
if this is all correct
the issue is what about the other 60 or so games the back-up catcher will start?
by Redhawk on Dec 17, 2009 10:39 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Than you hope the rest of the team picks up the slack
It’s not like this is a unique issue for the club. Just about every team in the league has a huge dropoff when the backup catcher starts. We were just spoiled when we have Torrealba.
by mkorpal on Dec 17, 2009 10:41 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with all of this.
but as I hope the Rockies in 2010 are winning the division, I don’t want to be just like the other teams in the league, and that’s why back up catcher is important to not dismiss as unimportant.
If the Rockies had glaring starting position openings, then yes, they should work on those first, but they don’t really. quality Back-up catcher is really one of their main needs
by Redhawk on Dec 17, 2009 10:45 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
There may be better things to do with the cash
Maybe sign Hudson and Use Barmes as a super utility. I don’t know.
by mkorpal on Dec 17, 2009 10:50 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Personally
I’d put the money into the starting pitching staff and up grade that, but that’s cause I don’t think a team can every have enough starting pitching.
I loved Hudson a year ago, but some time last year one of the number guys did a comparison on Hudson and Barmes (before Barmy fell off the planet) and it was scary how close they were.
But yeah, that would upgrade 2nd..AND our bench Utility spot at the same time.
by Redhawk on Dec 17, 2009 10:54 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
This is mainly where I'm coming from on this
It may be rediculous to quibble about $2-3M, but if that can get us a higher quality upgrade in the infield then that would be a bigger win overall to me. I just don’t expect much offense at C, so a larger drop there doesn’t concern me as much.
by phishbate on Dec 17, 2009 10:55 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe what is being lost in all this isn't necessarily just the offense
or the ability to throw out a runner.
If we are really going to make a run at the pennant, and for any reason CDI does not work out, do we want to risk the season, because of a poorly called game or even the ability to handle the headcases, like Morales and JDLR? How well would McKenry handle the pitching staff?
I’m just of the mind that catchers bring too much to the game to risk how close we are to really winning the West and winning a WS on an really untested young catcher.
Dear Rockies-Thank you for a wonderful rollercoaster season! Best turnaround in MLB history to become NL Wild Card Champs.
Garrett Atkins-So Long, Farewell, Auf weidersehen, Goodbye!! You were a great Rockie! GOOD LUCK!
Troy Tulowitzki-MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba- Re-sign!! he's en Fuego!!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!
by SDcat09 on Dec 17, 2009 11:59 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
and Iannetta hasn't started
more than 96 games in his career yet. To expect him to suddenly jump to 135 starts….at catcher is unrealistic.
“back-up” catcher is very critical to fill.
by Redhawk on Dec 17, 2009 10:37 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
yes yes yes
We are all hopeful/confident that CDI will be the man this year. But even if he is, we can’t afford to have dead weight in so many other games.
by Teekalong on Dec 17, 2009 10:42 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
112 starts in 2006 between AA, AAA, and MLB
This offseason is completely boring.
http://www.youtube.com/user/rockiesmagicnumber
by Andrew Martin on Dec 17, 2009 1:09 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
1) that was 4 years ago
2) that’s still not a lot of starts
3) minor league starts don’t count cause they still use a T for the hitters to hit the ball off of.
by Redhawk on Dec 17, 2009 1:48 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
3) is making me laugh
This offseason is completely boring.
http://www.youtube.com/user/rockiesmagicnumber
by Andrew Martin on Dec 17, 2009 1:53 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Atkins' contract details
From MLBTradeRumors:
“Atkins gets a one-year, $4.5MM deal according to Troy Renck of the Denver Post. He’ll earn $4MM in 2010 and has an $8.5MM club option for ‘11 with a $500K buyout. He can also earn another $500K in plate appearance incentives in 2010. My expectations for Atkins are pretty low, but there’s little harm in the Orioles giving him a shot.”
Seems like a high option for 2011 – even if he had a very productive year, would he be in line to more than double his salary through arbitration?
It seems likely to me that the O’s will choose the buyout unless he becomes the Atkins from 2006 again.
by avsfan4ever33 on Dec 17, 2009 10:45 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
He came out much better than I expected
I sincerely hope he performs as well as the O’s hope.
ROCKEFELLER!!!
by Muzia on Dec 17, 2009 10:57 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
that "option"
is just agent grease so he can report a bigger deal. Atkins would have to explode for that to be considered. Still, 4.5 mil is a nice chunk, good for him.
by Teekalong on Dec 17, 2009 11:06 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
OK
Who would you rather have? Atkins at $4.5M or Hawpe at $7.5M?
Hot stove leads to panda porn
by Rawktober on Dec 17, 2009 11:37 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
do I still have Stewart?
Than the answer would be Hawpe. If I didn’t have Ian, Atkins.
by Rox Girl on Dec 17, 2009 11:40 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
$4.5 mil
is exactly what Pedro Feliz got from the Astros.
The ‘Stros probably overpaid a bit, but it’s interesting to see “the market”
value Atkins & Feliz about the same.
New decade, new result: time for a Rockies' division championship.
by Maris6161 on Dec 17, 2009 11:50 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm shocked he got 4MM for '10. Maybe the O's weren't paying attention to last year. Or....
….maybe they’re paying him for his defense.
People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring. ~Rogers Hornsby
by pedalpusher on Dec 17, 2009 2:19 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
It appears
That the great Backup Catcher War has begun.
I hope I don’t get banned for participating.
Foxes are naughties
by crazedjohn on Dec 17, 2009 10:52 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
You won't
At least I don’t think so.
by mkorpal on Dec 17, 2009 10:54 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I'll just hide if I see the dictators' shadows looming on the wall
I have a healthy fear of the banhammer.
Foxes are naughties
by crazedjohn on Dec 17, 2009 11:02 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
keep on poking the bear
This offseason is completely boring.
http://www.youtube.com/user/rockiesmagicnumber
by Andrew Martin on Dec 17, 2009 1:11 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm glad to see Atty go to Baltimore..
If he succeeds over there, I’ll be content because I don’t mind the O’s. I kinda like them actually.
Remember old folks, I'm just 17 years old =]
by GoRockies!! on Dec 17, 2009 11:47 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
I'll admit Atty was one of my favorite Rockies though.
Really sucks to see him go..
Remember old folks, I'm just 17 years old =]
by GoRockies!! on Dec 17, 2009 11:58 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
What about swinging a trade
for a AAAA guy or a busted prospect like Jeff Clement? (I’m really just throwing it out there)
by moomacher on Dec 17, 2009 11:55 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
For an AAAA guy
consider Eric Munson, 31 yr old catcher in Oakland’s system. OBP of .362 last year.
by moomacher on Dec 17, 2009 11:58 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Fight on!
For both of your suggestions. USC has had a pretty crummy record when it comes to professional catchers. This does not bode well for St. Louis and Robert Stock.
by Rox Girl on Dec 17, 2009 12:06 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Fight on indeed
I got to watch my team walk out of the Coliseum with a win for the first time ever a few weeks ago, man was that fun…hard to imagine USC fans could be so quiet…
by Teekalong on Dec 17, 2009 12:43 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
the problem with Munson
is he never has had the ’Stache that his father had. Really catchers should all have facial hair I think.
by Redhawk on Dec 17, 2009 12:10 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Joe Mauer doesn't. He might be revolutionizing the position
I wonder if Bud Selig will give the Yankees a receipt with their World Series purchase
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 17, 2009 12:48 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
He does have the side burns
which counts in my book.
by Redhawk on Dec 17, 2009 12:52 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
They are very modest side burns though
I wonder if Bud Selig will give the Yankees a receipt with their World Series purchase
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 17, 2009 1:00 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
but they are pretty famous
Stolen from Sports Illustrated article.
by Redhawk on Dec 17, 2009 1:46 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Only in Twins country though
When I think of Joe Mauer, I don’t think side burns.
I wonder if Bud Selig will give the Yankees a receipt with their World Series purchase
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 17, 2009 2:15 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Sigh.....if only he were available.
one of the few Yankees I really really really liked…
Dear Rockies-Thank you for a wonderful rollercoaster season! Best turnaround in MLB history to become NL Wild Card Champs.
Garrett Atkins-So Long, Farewell, Auf weidersehen, Goodbye!! You were a great Rockie! GOOD LUCK!
Troy Tulowitzki-MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba- Re-sign!! he's en Fuego!!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!
by SDcat09 on Dec 17, 2009 4:11 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Tracy won the TYIB Manager of the Year Awards...
MLB.com had their “award show” today at 1 EST.
I got nothing.
by nkrause on Dec 17, 2009 11:55 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
woot!!! but no other Rockie love?
Dear Rockies-Thank you for a wonderful rollercoaster season! Best turnaround in MLB history to become NL Wild Card Champs.
Garrett Atkins-So Long, Farewell, Auf weidersehen, Goodbye!! You were a great Rockie! GOOD LUCK!
Troy Tulowitzki-MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba- Re-sign!! he's en Fuego!!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!
by SDcat09 on Dec 17, 2009 12:00 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
None... but I'll take it.
I got nothing.
by nkrause on Dec 17, 2009 12:13 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Yay!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Bored. Lazy. Crazy. Screaming. Counting. Another day in the life of a Rockaholic.
by prettyinpurple on Dec 17, 2009 6:41 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
oh for those of you wondering
DONE
This offseason is completely boring.
http://www.youtube.com/user/rockiesmagicnumber
by Andrew Martin on Dec 17, 2009 1:12 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
so we can start expecting daily editions of "Counting Rocks"?
ROCKEFELLER!!!
by Muzia on Dec 17, 2009 1:13 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
you don't want that
as if they’re not boring enough, imagine me REALLY scraping for material
however, youtube rants are a different story…
This offseason is completely boring.
http://www.youtube.com/user/rockiesmagicnumber
by Andrew Martin on Dec 17, 2009 1:14 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
entitled "Watching RMN Count Rocks"
ROCKEFELLER!!!
by Muzia on Dec 17, 2009 1:15 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I figure it will look an aweful lot like this
by Redhawk on Dec 17, 2009 1:41 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
precisely, only with a touch more "THIS IS SPARTA"
ROCKEFELLER!!!
by Muzia on Dec 17, 2009 2:31 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
seriously, though
Congratulations! It’s a huge step and well-earned!
ROCKEFELLER!!!
by Muzia on Dec 17, 2009 1:17 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
qdoba for everyone!
k not really
This offseason is completely boring.
http://www.youtube.com/user/rockiesmagicnumber
by Andrew Martin on Dec 17, 2009 3:36 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I will be unable to attend as I am in Washington
However, I assume that I will be receiving my burrito in the mail.
by controlled_slide on Dec 17, 2009 4:11 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
you may not want it
This offseason is completely boring.
http://www.youtube.com/user/rockiesmagicnumber
by Andrew Martin on Dec 17, 2009 7:10 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
tacotease
Dear Rockies-Thank you for a wonderful rollercoaster season! Best turnaround in MLB history to become NL Wild Card Champs.
Garrett Atkins-So Long, Farewell, Auf weidersehen, Goodbye!! You were a great Rockie! GOOD LUCK!
Troy Tulowitzki-MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba- Re-sign!! he's en Fuego!!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!
by SDcat09 on Dec 17, 2009 4:11 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
:D
This offseason is completely boring.
http://www.youtube.com/user/rockiesmagicnumber
by Andrew Martin on Dec 17, 2009 3:36 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
good God I don't know
you should do ETM though if you have any interest in mathematical optimization or have any entrepreneurial ambitions.
This offseason is completely boring.
http://www.youtube.com/user/rockiesmagicnumber
by Andrew Martin on Dec 17, 2009 7:10 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Mathe--what?
Wouldn’t you rather spend ten years visiting American Civil War battle sites and then writing a trilogy on field fortifications during the conflict?
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by Russ Oates on Dec 17, 2009 7:16 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Ten years to study a four year war? Seems inefficient...
ROCKEFELLER!!!
by Muzia on Dec 17, 2009 7:19 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Ten years
visiting sites. The guy does need to teach at the same time.
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by Russ Oates on Dec 17, 2009 7:20 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Vist the sites?
Yes that would be fun. I don’t know if I would want to do that for 10 years (maybe a little), but I do enjoy learning this type of information almost as much as I like the math/Chemical Engineering stuff.
JFK
by jrockies on Dec 17, 2009 7:57 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
My application
is being completed within the next two weeks, all that will be left is the letters of recommendation.
JFK
by jrockies on Dec 17, 2009 7:56 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
We're due to get 4-8 inches of snow tonight.
I’m watching the snow swirl outside my living room window as I type. I know it’s nothing to most of you guys, but it’s become a rare sight in the UK these days.
My only worry is that tomorrow I have my office Xmas party and my cycling buddies Xmas party and it only take a few inches to paralyse London’s transport infrastructure…
by biondino on Dec 17, 2009 2:23 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
Snow is fun
I don’t know but we might get 4-8 inches twice a year (with this year being the exception). It really doesn’t happen as often on the front range as it does in the mountains or on the western slope.
JFK
by jrockies on Dec 17, 2009 8:04 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
The front range gets more than 4-8 inches
Every year there is at least one big snow of 8+ inches.
Foxes are naughties
by crazedjohn on Dec 17, 2009 8:58 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I guess
I grew up in a valley called Security, CO. This is just between Fountain and Colorado Springs and because we were slightly in a valley the amount of snow we got was minimal. Northern parts of the Springs, Pueblo, Denver all certainly got more than we did. I am currently in Golden so I still consider it weird to have a lot of snow, not that I complain.
JFK
by jrockies on Dec 17, 2009 11:59 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Do you have similar winters every year or does it vary?
In RI it runs the gamut. Some years we get almost no snow because it all truns to rain, other times we get no snow because it’s so frigid the storms stay out to sea, and then there are some years where just about every storm nails us.
I wonder if Bud Selig will give the Yankees a receipt with their World Series purchase
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 17, 2009 11:32 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Looks like the Giants will miss out on
one of their top 1B targets; Nick Johnson is close to joining the Yankees for a second go-around, on a one year deal worth $5.5 million.
by avsfan4ever33 on Dec 17, 2009 7:06 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
Just saw that.
I thought he was targeting a two year deal? Regardless, that OBP near the top of that lineup is devastating…
ROCKEFELLER!!!
by Muzia on Dec 17, 2009 7:10 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
yep
he is a perfect guy for that kind of line up…scary
we seem to have gotten over that HURDLE
thanks for a great season Rockies!
LETS GO WINGS!
by TuLoRocks2008 on Dec 17, 2009 8:13 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Jamey Carroll is now a Dodger........
that ain’t right
Dear Rockies-Thank you for a wonderful rollercoaster season! Best turnaround in MLB history to become NL Wild Card Champs.
Garrett Atkins-So Long, Farewell, Auf weidersehen, Goodbye!! You were a great Rockie! GOOD LUCK!
Troy Tulowitzki-MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba- Re-sign!! he's en Fuego!!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!
by SDcat09 on Dec 17, 2009 7:12 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
yep i agree lol
we seem to have gotten over that HURDLE
thanks for a great season Rockies!
LETS GO WINGS!
by TuLoRocks2008 on Dec 17, 2009 8:13 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
well when the Dodger come to town
The Rockies store can dig the left-overs of these t-shirts:
I know they had some of these in 2008 still.
by Redhawk on Dec 17, 2009 9:36 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Atkins outside of Coors Field= Epic failure
I predict under 20 hrs for the next five years
by Zachm219 on Dec 18, 2009 9:18 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
I predict a cumulative .700 OPS
This offseason is completely boring.
http://www.youtube.com/user/rockiesmagicnumber
by Andrew Martin on Dec 19, 2009 4:08 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I'll give him the benifit of the doubt and say .750 OPS
I think a change of scenery will do him good and Camden Yards is decent hitters park.
I wonder if Bud Selig will give the Yankees a receipt with their World Series purchase
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 19, 2009 8:58 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
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