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Jason Marquis vs. Bill James vs. CHONE vs. Marcel vs. RMN

Beginning of the season, Counting Rocks broke down each member of the rotation in hopes of making a prediction on the season everyone would have. While we'll cover the rest of the rotation/team later on down the line, I want to take a look at how Jason Marquis performed against the projections, as coming into the season, he was effectively the most boring starter we had, and everyone had a good idea of what we were going to get out of him. Innings eaten, unimpressive ERA, generally blah.

Boy, he sure made us look silly, didn't he? I mean, not to the extent where we're extending him, obviously, but he certainly outperformed my expectations as well as most everyone else's.


Jason Marquis

#21 / Pitcher / Colorado Rockies

6-1

210

L

R

Aug 21, 1978

 

W-L G GS CG SHO SV BS IP H R ER HR BB K ERA WHIP
2009 - Jason Marquis 15-13 38 33 2 1 0 0 216.0 218 104 97 15 80 115 4.04 1.38

So now that we've seen Marquis' season, let's move past the jump and take a look at what the projections all had to say about him.

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Without further ado, here are the projections of Marquis, and at the bottom, we look at his actual season:

G

GS

W

L

IP

SO

BB

K/BB

HR/9

K/9

BB/9

WHIP

BABIP

FIP

ERA

Bill James

29

27

9

10

167

94

65

1.45

1.19

5.07

3.50

1.43

0.287

5.05

4.60

CHONE

29

29

8

10

167

92

68

1.35

1.08

4.96

3.66

1.52

0.305

5.04

5.32

Marcel

10

9

162

96

66

1.45

1.00

5.33

3.67

1.43

0.291

4.78

4.61

RMN

30

30

9

8

177

96

73

1.30

0.94

4.90

3.71

1.50

0.299

4.74

4.71

Actual

33

33

15

13

216

115

80

1.44

0.63

4.79

3.33

1.38

0.291

4.10

4.04

So who was closest? Well, I was closest to the number of starts he'd make, so hurrah for me. I was also "closest" to his FIP, although we all missed out on that in general. Bill James was closest to his actual ERA, but again, we all thought he'd be far worse than he was. Amusingly enough, he struck out AND walked fewer than anyone expected. He kicked the crap out his projected HR9, but we'll touch on that in a second. Basically, we were all somewhat close, but wrong. In the right ballpark. 

So the first thing that pops out to my eyes is the fact that none of the projection systems thought he'd pitch as many innings as he did. So right off the bat, he provided more for the Rockies in terms of bullpen rest than we anticipated. He accomplished this in part by remaining healthy and not getting himself booted from the rotation, but we'll touch on that below.

The second thing that pops out is clearly the ERA/FIP. Marquis pitched like a man's man, laughed at the projections, and went ahead and showed us all what's what.

The third thing that pops out, and I'm a bit surprised at this, but his HR9 of a mere 0.63. Marquis also enjoyed a career-low 7.8 HR/FB%, very much below his career mark of 11.8%, which, as predicted, helped deflate his ERA/FIP/whatever. BUT CORZ RITE? Marquis allowed .43 HR/9 at home, .82 HR/9 on the road. Do you like apples?

Fourth, and it's not on this chart here, but his 55.6 GB% was just absurd. Absolutely ridiculous. He fully credited pitching coach Bob Apodaca in fixing his sinker, and man did he fix it, good for 3rd highest in baseball, behind Joel Pineiro's absurd 60.5% and Derek Lowe's excellent 56.3%.

And finally, I will go ahead and toss the man a bone. He posted 15 wins while ranking 58th/77 eligibile starters in terms of run support per 9 innings (4.42 runs per 9). While I still stand by my disdain for using Wins to grade a pitcher, knowing the entire context makes this somewhat more impressive.

So as I'm sitting here thinking "wow, I was awfully hard on Marquis this season," I figured his first half was so good, I'd wager his second half matched his projections more closely. You know, the "real" Jason Marquis showed up 2nd half, and he sucks something awful, right? Running the numbers, I came up with the following:

G

GS

W

L

IP

SO

BB

K/BB

HR/9

K/9

BB/9

WHIP

BABIP

FIP

ERA

Bill James

29

27

9

10

167

94

65

1.45

1.19

5.07

3.50

1.43

0.287

5.05

4.60

CHONE

29

29

8

10

167

92

68

1.35

1.08

4.96

3.66

1.52

0.305

5.04

5.32

Marcel

10

9

162

96

66

1.45

1.00

5.33

3.67

1.43

0.291

4.78

4.61

RMN

30

30

9

8

177

96

73

1.30

0.94

4.90

3.71

1.50

0.299

4.74

4.71

1st Half

18

18

11

6

123.33

58

40

1.45

0.66

4.23

2.92

1.31

0.273

3.86

3.65

2nd Half

15

15

4

7

92.67

57

40

1.43

0.58

5.54

3.88

1.48

0.318

4.11

4.56

Huh. Well, color me surprised. It looks like he struck out more, walked more, but ultimately didn't have that much worse of a second half. ERA makes it look worse than it is, but you can probably chalk a lot of that up to a low 1st half BABIP and a high 2nd half BABIP. It appears as if the "real" Marquis showed up, unless if you consider that 4.11 FIP is lower than his career mark. The 4.56 ERA is right in line with his career line, yeah, but if you consider how he's a 4.88 ERA/FIP (yes, they're the same) 2nd half pitcher, and the fact that his OMG ITZ THE REAL MARQUIS numbers were better than all the projections for the entire season, maybe I should just admit he had a good season. Not that I'm attacking him or anything, but he did well with the opportunity given to him, however you slice it.

Now I mentioned it above, but his innings pitched total really was understated by the fact that we had 5 guys in the rotation for the majority of the season, excepting the short time that Aaron Cook had his nice little sampler plate of injuries. 216 IP is downright fantastic, ranking 15th among the 77 eligible starters. Remember that typically your IP leader is your ace (pitchers that are ahead of Marquis in IP are: Justin Verlander, Roy Halladay, Felix Hernandez, Adam Wainwright, Cliff Lee, CC Sabathia, Zack Greinke, Dan Haren, Tim Lincecum, Bronson Arroyo, James Shields, Javier Vazquez, Ubaldo Jimenez, Matt Cain), and the back end of the rotation is usually a revolving door, meaning that you are scrambling to find pitchers to take the spots and dealing with burned out bullpens. Had our rotation not performed so swimmingly overall this season, Marquis' 216IP would have really been more appreciated.

To summarize all the blathering I've done about Marquis in this article, it kind of comes down to this: Marquis exceeded our expectations of him by a long shot, and his accomplishments in being pretty decent (if not completely boring) were completely overshadowed by the best rotation in Colorado Rockies history.

So kudos to you, Jason Marquis, for blowing by projections, for helping us get rid of Luis Vizcaino, for fixing your sinker, for helping Colorado to their 3rd postseason, for pitching that scoreless inning against Philadelphia, and for earning yourself probably another 3-year deal. Thanks for the memories, and hopefully the sandwich pick.

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Good breakdown

I was definitely surprised and pleased with Marquis’ performance this year, particularly in the first quarter when he and Hawpe were the duct tape holding the ship together while everyone else floundered. Sad that he had to go out with a whimper down the stretch, but overall he was a great DOD move and his time here was respected by me. In addition, appeared to be a class guy and a good teammate. I’ll be surprised if he accepts arb, but not disappointed. Otherwise, best of luck to him.

by Teekalong on Dec 2, 2009 2:58 PM MST reply actions  

Ha. Project this.

Seriously RMN, you’re a very good writer. All your stuff is very in depth, easy to read, and tinged with humor. Keep up the good work.

Winners never quit, and quitters never win. But if you never quit *and* never win, you are an idiot

by squalene203 on Dec 2, 2009 6:34 PM MST reply actions  

dawww thanks :3

I feel like i’m getting sympathy comments, Marquis is just such a dull topic to write on.

Hope got in my eyes

by Andrew Martin on Dec 2, 2009 11:33 PM MST up reply actions  

I think what made Marquis less appreciated

is that he was not as good down the stretch. I think we tend to have short term memories as fans sometimes. I mean look at JDLR. I don’t think we would think near as highly of him if he has the exact same season but in reverse.

I wonder if Bud Selig will give the Yankees a receipt with their World Series purchase

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 2, 2009 6:54 PM MST reply actions  

Good point

But I think you would prefer the JDLR split to the Marquis split. For example, the early season Marquis could have been useful in the postseason.

"It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart." - A. Bartlett Giamatti

by Rawktober on Dec 3, 2009 8:10 AM MST up reply actions  

Oh yeah

I always prefer a strong finisher to a stong starter

I wonder if Bud Selig will give the Yankees a receipt with their World Series purchase

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 3, 2009 9:23 AM MST up reply actions  

I guess in just the terms of the taste left in your mouth, me too

but all of the good innings that Marquis pitched in the first half that resulted in Rockies Wins counted just as much toward our playoff berth as the games we won in September.

Hope got in my eyes

by Andrew Martin on Dec 3, 2009 9:26 AM MST up reply actions  

agreed

I wonder if Bud Selig will give the Yankees a receipt with their World Series purchase

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 3, 2009 4:50 PM MST up reply actions  

His BABIP makes his 2nd half look unlucky...

is that just a factor with GB pitchers? It seems like Cook will fall into stretches where every ground ball seems to have eyes. Maybe that’s what happened with Marquis a little in the 2nd half.

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by Charlie77 on Dec 2, 2009 7:31 PM MST reply actions  

I know this is an oft debated topic around here

but I still have a tough time following the BABIP/luck correlation sometimes, much more so with pitchers. Not sure how to really describe it.

by Hizilla on Dec 3, 2009 1:36 AM MST up reply actions  

One thing I realise I don't know about baseball is the extent to which a batter can place the ball he is hitting.

The general feeling is basically that the batter swings the bat and if all goes well, makes a solid connection that doesn’t go foul. Where it’s actually hit, in terms of direction, is random. Is that true?

I am sure you can time your swing to give you a bigger likelihood of hitting left or right – does the split second extra you get with a late hit make any difference to the batter’s approach?

What I would have thought is that batters have more control over the distance the ball goes when they hit it, as that depends on the power they put in. Why is the Baltimore Chop so rare?

Apologies for these random noob questions!

by biondino on Dec 3, 2009 5:44 AM MST up reply actions  

From what I've heard

It seems that a batter has more control on the outcome of the ball he hits (his BABIP) than a pitcher does on the balls hit against him (his BABIP against). Really good hitters, like Tony Gwynn, Todd Helton, etc. have high BABIPs, and those are sustainable. Where the “luck” argument comes in is when pitchers have low ERAs and WHIPs, but are also allowing really low BABIPs in a small sample size (like half a season). The theory is that his BABIP will regress to the mean (which is surprisingly consistent for starting pitchers) and his ERA and WHIP will head upward.

by controlled_slide on Dec 3, 2009 9:37 AM MST up reply actions  

I guess it's been documented that pitchers usually have similar BABIps, but that almost seems counterintuitive

Guys like Matt Herges get hit hard, and often. They give up more line drives and hot shots and gappers. Guys like Zack Greinke give up weak grounders and shatter bats. Shouldn’t good pitchers have BABIPs against that are lower than bad pitchers’?

Winners never quit, and quitters never win. But if you never quit *and* never win, you are an idiot

by squalene203 on Dec 3, 2009 4:14 PM MST up reply actions  

It's weird but true

I haven’t done a comprehensive study, but apparently, BABIP is consistent for pitchers across the board. The reason that guys like Greinke and Lincecum are so successful is that they have lots of strikeouts, few walks and few home runs – which are the things that they can control. K.9, BB/9 (or just K/BB) and HR/9 are the most important statistics in terms of evaluating pitchers’ talent.

by controlled_slide on Dec 3, 2009 5:19 PM MST up reply actions  

remember that it's across the board

there are going to be spikes.

Livan Hernandez has a career .311 BABIP.

Greg Maddux, .289.

Glavine, .286

I’m having trouble finding much lower than that

Hope got in my eyes

by Andrew Martin on Dec 4, 2009 9:32 AM MST up reply actions  

Those numbers make perfect sense to the types of pitchers they are

"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein

by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 4, 2009 9:44 AM MST up reply actions  

Mariano Rivera has a BABIP of .276

I’m not sure if he counts though because he’s a reliever

I wonder if Bud Selig will give the Yankees a receipt with their World Series purchase

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 4, 2009 2:22 PM MST up reply actions  

Ubaldo actually has a chance to challange those numbers

He’s at .291 right now

I wonder if Bud Selig will give the Yankees a receipt with their World Series purchase

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 4, 2009 2:24 PM MST up reply actions  

with the movement on his pitches, that makes sense

And also jives with rmn’s mention that ubaldo fielded the most come backers in the league

"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein

by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 4, 2009 3:03 PM MST via mobile up reply actions  

I am

u lernt me good

"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein

by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 7, 2009 10:38 AM MST up reply actions  

It is still possible, however

for a starting pitcher to have a sustainably low BABIP. If he locates consistently well and keeps hitters off balance, that line drive rate will tend to stay low, thereby keeping BABIP low. A starter who grooves fastballs will give up liners more often, though he might not stay in a rotation very long at that

"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein

by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 4, 2009 8:36 AM MST up reply actions  

I kinda always liked Marquis.

I saw him start with the Braves, and I thought he had a lot of potential. I was very surprised at this season, though. I wish he could have kept consistent through the whole season, though as you said, RMN, I thought it was worse than it actually was. Great breakdown!

by KelseyC on Dec 3, 2009 4:13 PM MST reply actions  

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