Tuesday Rockpile: Should the Rockies sign Carlos Gonzalez long-term? Is it even possible?
by Russ Oates on Dec 22, 2009 8:13 AM MST
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PrintSaunders: Rockies should sign Carlos Gonzalez next year - The Denver Post
Instead, the Rockies are trying to win with a different recipe. It's based on locking up their young, talented, promising players to sensible, preplanned deals. They recently did it with catcher Chris Iannetta, signing him to a three-year, $8.3 million contract.
Next in line for a new deal should be outfielder Carlos Gonzalez.
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Then Saunders admits in a blog entry follow-up that there's something stopping that deal from happening:
Some dude name Scott Boras.He’s CarGo’s agent.
I forgot. My bad.
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Thomas Harding answers questions on Eric Young Jr.'s and Franklin Morales's futures and on whether Troy Tulowitzki can avoid a slow start in 2010.
Sources: Marquis OK's two-year deal with Nationals - The Denver Post
The Washington Nationals received the services of Jason Marquis for two years yesterday. Best of luck, Jason, in your pursuit of making the playoffs for another year.
Washington Nationals Sign Jason Marquis. In Rizzo We Trust!! - Federal Baseball
"In Rizzo We Trust!!" - It's a better saying than a couple of years ago when it was "In Bowden We Trust!!" Wait, I never heard that one anywhere.
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Erik Manning is not a fan of the Marquis deal since, well, the Nationals aren't spending their money wisely. I can't wait to see Stephen Strasburg pitch miles ahead of Marquis.
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Jon Morosi believes Matt Capps will sign this week, possibly with the Nationals.
Report: MLB, umpires closing in on new contract - ESPN
Roy Halladay of Philadelphia Phillies takes out full-page ad thanking toronto Blue Jays - ESPN
"Former Blue Jays ace Roy Halladay has taken out a full-page newspaper advertisement thanking the city and the team's fans."
New York Yankees charged with $25 million luxury tax penalty for 2009 - ESPN
The price for winning a World Series?
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Yankees
trade for Javier Vazquez . . . again.
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I really hate the Yankees so much
I almost almost felt sorry for them for a couple of years when the Red Sox were dominant, but now? Toss them into the Sarlacc Pit. No, first set them on fire and then toss them into the Sarlacc pit.
ROCKEFELLER!!!
Boba Fett escaped
from the Sarlacc Pit.
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Dude just got rejuvenated.
He’s got at least another 20 years left in him. No deal.
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Canon, just not
the best level of canon.
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by Russ Oates on Dec 22, 2009 10:49 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
I only consider Lucas's as canon.
I know there is a complex system for handing out canonical rankings, though. I just have no interest in the EU. (Yes, I obviously mean the European Union too.)
by Greg Stanwood on Dec 22, 2009 10:51 AM MST up reply actions
And that's where
my primary interest is in, even though large parts of it are complete crap.
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by Russ Oates on Dec 22, 2009 11:05 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
I'm afraid they will jump into the Bay and Holliday race now
I wonder if Bud Selig will give the Yankees a receipt with their World Series purchase
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 22, 2009 2:58 PM MST up reply actions
Nope.
Cashman is trying to tuck his payroll under $200M (Lux tax threshold.) He’s at $198M now. Ir actuality, the Yankees payroll even went down between ‘08 and ’09. I know $200 million is a lot of money and please, don’t let me interrupt the Public Hating.
Disagree
If the Yankees were interested in cutting payroll they would have done it last offseason when they had about $80 million coming off the books. Instead they went out and committed nearly a half billion dollars to three players (over seven years) when the economy was on the verge of collapsing. This year they have already committed money to Curtis Granderson, Javy Vazquez, and Nick Johnson. I have never seen a situation where money has stopped the Yankees and I don’t believe them for a second when they say they are not interested in Holliday. They have no limitations.
Also, I’m pretty sure the luxury tax is $170 million for 2010 and $200 million but I could be wrong about that.
I wonder if Bud Selig will give the Yankees a receipt with their World Series purchase
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 22, 2009 9:52 PM MST up reply actions
actually
The Yankees DID lower payroll from 08 to 09
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 23, 2009 6:57 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
yea
ridiculous what a steal….Melky is not a good hitter he was hitting in a good line up now everybody will see how crappy he is hitting in the braves line up
we seem to have gotten over that HURDLE
thanks for a great season Rockies!
LETS GO WINGS!
by TuLoRocks2008 on Dec 22, 2009 11:10 AM MST up reply actions
ffffffffffffffff
why couldn’t we do that – you know outside of Javy’s NTC
This offseason is completely boring.
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 22, 2009 12:18 PM MST up reply actions
that and salary
But yeah…that’s a heck of a deal
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 22, 2009 1:08 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
I can think of 11.5 million reasons
I wonder if Bud Selig will give the Yankees a receipt with their World Series purchase
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 22, 2009 2:59 PM MST up reply actions
yes because a playoff run provides no revenue
This offseason is completely boring.
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 22, 2009 4:34 PM MST up reply actions
I don't know
I think last year was just a career year for him. I think he’s good but I don’t expect him to repeat what he did last year. I’m not sure he’s worth it.
I wonder if Bud Selig will give the Yankees a receipt with their World Series purchase
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 22, 2009 10:02 PM MST up reply actions
i strongly disagree based on reasons which jabberwocky would agree wth
the guy is a stud. he’s like everything DLR wishes he could be, but he’s still prone to “bad javy” days
This offseason is completely boring.
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 22, 2009 11:07 PM MST up reply actions
I like the fact that he's an innings eater
but his career numbers for most things are only just above average. His career ERA+ is only 107, his career WHIP is 1.25 (I think the league average is is 1.37 or something like that), and his win/loss record before this season was actually below .500. (yeah yeah I know win/loss is a farce but I don’t think too many studs have a record around .500).
I think the guys good I just don’t think he’s elite. (other than just ths season)
I wonder if Bud Selig will give the Yankees a receipt with their World Series purchase
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 22, 2009 11:46 PM MST up reply actions
eh, use something better than ERA and we'll be closer to the same page
This offseason is completely boring.
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 24, 2009 9:44 PM MST up reply actions
OK how about this?
Lets take WAR and see where he ranks by percentile over the last eight years.
2002: 81 players had enough innings to qualify for WAR leaders that year. Javier Vazquez had a WAR of 4.5 which placed him 17th out of those 81 players and in the 79th percentile.
2003: 90 players qualified. Vazquez had a WAR of 6.0 which was 8th out of 90 and good for the 91st percentile.
2004: (2.2 WAR) 59th out of 86 and in the 31st percentile.
2005: (3.6 WAR) 31st out of 90 and in the 66th percentile.
2006: (4.8 WAR) 15th out of 82 and in the 82nd percentile.
2007: (5.1 WAR) 15th out of 79 and in the 81st percentile.
2008: (4.8 WAR) 17th out of 86 and in the 80th percentile.
2009: (6.6 WAR) 7th out of 75 and in the 91st percentile.
So his mean average WAR percentile over the last eight years is the 75th percentile. Yes he was a stud this year with his 6.6 WAR and 91st percentile ranking; but over the last eight years he has just been better than average but not elite with an average 75th WAR percentile ranking.
I do like the fact that he is almost guaranteed to give you 200 plus innings every year though.
I wonder if Bud Selig will give the Yankees a receipt with their World Series purchase
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 25, 2009 1:48 AM MST up reply actions
It seems you just averaged his percentile from each of the eight seasons to say he was "in the top 25% of pitchers." This does indeed say he averaged that, but this does not mean he was only better than 75% of pitchers the last eight years.
The pool of pitchers changes every year. Tim Lincecum was in high school in 2002, and Roger Clemens was still a clean beast. In 2004, John Thomson was better than Vazquez, but not overall. If you take all the pitchers from 2002 and calculate their WAR since that season, Vazquez will be quite a bit higher than the 75th percentile.
Sure, that’s picking a time frame convenient for Vazquez’ argument, but given that eight seasons is almost a decade, it’s still a substantial argument.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 28, 2009 9:46 AM MST up reply actions
I thought about this but the problem with doing that way is that you end up with
so few pitchers that have enough innings to qualify that your data becomes unreliable. It’s unfair to exclude almost all pitchers who have retired since 2002 or came into the league after it. I understand that my way is unfair too because Vazquez would be in a higher prcentile if I included all the pitchers who didn’t have enough innings to qualify for WAR but I think breaking it up year by year is the only way to get a clear view of how someone did against the field. (The field is always changing so you really have to break a large chunk of data like eight years into smaller pieces and average them when you are dealing with a compiling stat like WAR)
I wonder if Bud Selig will give the Yankees a receipt with their World Series purchase
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 28, 2009 2:36 PM MST up reply actions
If we traded Hawpe for him
it’s totally like 4.5 million reasons
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
Well too bad he's a lefty then I guess
though I heard that the Braves were looking for a 1b or something and were considering LaRoche – so they may be possible trade partners (though I doubt it). I guess the Mariners and Rangers are still options though Zdurencik seems like he’ll just hustle us…
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
Seems like they're going to sign Troy Glaus
oh well
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
Whoa
When I first glanced at that “In Rizzo We Trust” thing, I thought you were talking about Alanna Rizzo.
"I intend to kick your ass today." - Denver Broncos legend Tom Jackson
No, for THAT Rizzo, it's
“In Rizzo We Lust”
New decade, new result: time for a Rockies' division championship.
yeah that's weird
This offseason is completely boring.
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 22, 2009 12:19 PM MST up reply actions
Charlie you are just pathetic when it comes to Alanna...
and shameless
Dear Rockies-Thank you for a wonderful rollercoaster season! Best turnaround in MLB history to become NL Wild Card Champs.
Garrett Atkins-So Long, Farewell, Auf weidersehen, Goodbye!! You were a great Rockie! GOOD LUCK!
Troy Tulowitzki-MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba- Re-sign!! he's en Fuego!!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!
It's not like I'm showing pics of her lounging by the pool..
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This offseason is completely boring.
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 23, 2009 12:01 AM MST up reply actions
OK now I'm nervous
Just how big is your Alanna photo collection?
I wonder if Bud Selig will give the Yankees a receipt with their World Series purchase
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 23, 2009 12:52 AM MST up reply actions
Is size important?
Actually if you do a google image search of her name; 3 of the top images on the first page belong to me.
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She'd make a better ninja than a baseball broadcaster.
by Greg Stanwood on Dec 23, 2009 12:54 AM MST up reply actions
That's not a woman
That’s a maaaaaaan, maaaaaaaaan.
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This offseason is completely boring.
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 22, 2009 11:08 PM MST up reply actions
It's all a matter of perspective
The mlb.com article on the Vazquez deal says that part of what the Yankees find attractive in the deal is that Vazquez is “affordable” and will help them cut their
payroll. Vazquez will make $11.5 million in 2010.
New decade, new result: time for a Rockies' division championship.
And that Hawpe for Morrow trade is gone
He is going to Toronto for a couple of prospects.
ROCKEFELLER!!!
ffffffff
This offseason is completely boring.
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 22, 2009 12:19 PM MST up reply actions
Would Boras not sign a contract for Cargo?
Didn’t Matt Holliday sign a contract that bought out his arb years? Is there not a single Boras client who has done a deal like this to buy out one FA year? i would think that boras would see the benefits of a guarenteed contract over one year of FA.
I think if the rockies are going to do it with Cargo they should look at it this year when hes cheaper. i do see why they think he may not be proven yet which is why they would wait another year
Idk. probably wishful thinking.
New York Yankees charged with $25 million luxury tax penalty for 2009 – ESPN
Then the Pittsburgh Pirates greedily accept the Yankees luxury tax so they can turn a profit.
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and that money
divided amongst the other 29 teams is…well, not enough to cover even a minor-league contracted non-roster invitee type player. Go nuts you crazy greedy Pirates! Party like it’s on sale for $19.99!
The difference from the haves and the have-nots in baseball really needs to addressed some how. The disparity is growing wider each year.
I wish I still had the article
But there was an article a few months ago which broke down the revenue streams that the bottom feeding teams get. They include the luxury tax, as well as revenue sharing and tv contracts, ext. The article determined that a team like the Pirates will earn something like 60-80 million before it sells a single ticket. That is more than enough to cover their payroll and all the other expenses it has. Then you add in the millions they get from tickets (honestly, why people buy them I don’t know), all the food sales and parking, and they end up turning a huge profit.
It isn’t so much the haves and have-nots, but the wills and will-nots.
So the Yankees
don’t get the same 60-80 million before a ticket is sold? The issue is not do the have-not get something, but do they get enough to compete? If you think the Yankees and the Pirates have equal income, and money than you’ve really missed something.
NO THAIR OWNRES ARE JUST CHEEP
This offseason is completely boring.
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 22, 2009 12:35 PM MST up reply actions
ok, let me discribe it another way
Example 1: lets say you have $200…and I have $40. And we are both going to buy a Pete Rose Autograph baseball at an auction, whoever bids the highest wins. But…to be fair, the Auction house makes you give me a full 20% of you money!! WHEE……. so you give me $40. You now have $160 and I now have $80!
But you can buy the Pete Rose baseball…for $100, and the Rod Carew one for $60. and I’m a tight wad, with $80 in my pocket. You still out bought me baseball cause you still had more money than I do even with your “profit sharing”.
Example 2: I don’t drive an Escolade because I don’t want one…I can’t afford one! and if you give me $200 a month to make the payments with…I still couldn’t afford it. I’d just have an extra $200 and I’d pocket the $200 and put it to other stuff.
and I’m done…cause you really think the Pirates and the Yankees have the same amount of money. You think the Pirates should drive the Escolade just like the Yankees, and can’t figure out why they can’t.
I never said that
Stop putting words in my mouth.
What I’m trying to tell you is that the Yankees actually use their wealth to put out the best product they possibly can, and in doing so, actually pay for the rosters of the worst teams out there.
In turn, teams like the Pirates take the money that the Yankees and the league owes them, none of which should be theirs, and the owners simply pocket it.
So, maybe instead of B*tching about the Yankees buying every player out there, maybe you should be more concerned with the owners of the “poor” teams who are blatantly stealing from the league.
See the problem is
your logic is a little flawed
In turn, teams like the Pirates take the money that the Yankees and the league owes them, none of which should be theirs, and the owners simply pocket it.
To teams that consistently win games, you also have team that invariably will lose those games. Every game has a winner and a loser. Without the Pirates, you have no Yankees; which by that I mean, without the Pirates, the Yankees have no money to begin with. Because of factors outside the Pittsburgh Pirate’s control (the population sizes of both Pittsburgh and New York) they are not able to generate as much revenue. It mostly comes down to TV dollars. The Yankees have a TV base roughly 10 times larger than the Pirates, and thus are able to generate an exponentially greater amount of advertising and affiliate revenue, for basically having the luck of being located in New York. Regardless of what each team does with it’s money, revenue sharing is a way for the league to try and make up for this financial and economical inequity that exists largely because of geography.
Thats true
revenue sharing is a way for the league to try and make up for this financial and economical inequity that exists largely because of geography.
That is the point, to share the wealth so that every team has the ability to put forth a competitive team. But without a salary floor, greedy owners are instead putting out the cheapest team they can get away with and pocketing the revenue sharing. That is what i have a problem with.
Yep
Nobody is arguing that financial inbalance doesn’t exist. Still, I’d argue that neither the luxury tax, not a cap leads to solving the problem (which we all agree is real) of competitive inbalance.
Ignorance of the American League is a sign of good moral character.
Look out Dodgers...Purple objects in mirror are closer than they appear.
I'll be the guy in a orange shirt EVERY Monday...Broncos are my team win or lose.
The part that I
disagreed with was the “none of which should be theirs”. I’m not opposed to instituting a cap (and floor) because I agree that some owners (the Marlins are the worst of these) are cheating their fans out of a better product. It will be interesting to see what happens in the NFL next year if they don’t come to an agreement on an extension in the CBA. Players left and right are spouting off about how great it’s going to be without a cap, but what they aren’t realizing is there there will be a handfull of teams that will just not spend because there won’t be a floor, and alot of players are going to be hurt by that.
I'm still not a fan of the revenue sharing
If I were a Yankees fan, I would not want the money I spend to go to another club, simply because they are not as successful. But thats my philosophy.
BTW, If I were an NFL player, I would be terrified at the prospects of an expiring CBA. Take it from the NHL and MLB, work stoppages hurt, big time.
The NFL players figured that out once...
….when after three weeks of replacement players in the regular season, the union completely caved.
But then, the NFLPA was really never more than another extension of ownerhship, as long as their lackey Gene Upshaw was running it. The only sports union more toothless than the NFLPA is the NBA Players Association.
The NFLPA gave away the farm years ago when it comes to contracts for actual existing players/union members, only to see the real money go to incoming draftees…
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“Not as successful”
so the Royals don’t have as much playoff as the Yankees do over the last 10 years, is cause the Royals are equal, and don’t have money cause they didn’t manage the team well? Has nothing to do with…oh population and TV that does with that?
and the Yankees should care about the Royals….as the Royals do play the Yankees. How many tickets would the Yankees sell if they only had 7 team to play over and over again? It’s a sports LEAGUE, not some free-market survial of fittest retail store. A league is only as strong as it’s weakest team…
dude the royals are run by idiots
I see your point, but they’re a terribly run franchise
This offseason is completely boring.
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 22, 2009 11:08 PM MST up reply actions
Teams like the Pirates aren't playing to win..
they’re playing for the owners to get rich. In the past two seasons Pittsburgh has turned a profit of $34 million dollars and that’s before trading away $25 million in players this year.
According to this article 4 of the top 6 teams with the most operating income are also ranked in the 5 lowest payrolls in the league:
TEAM…….PROFIT Rank…….PAYROLL Rank
Florida…………1st………………………..30th
Nationals…….2nd……………………….27th
TBRays……….4th………………………..25th
Oakland………6th………………………..26th
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That's absurd
People buy baseball teams because they like baseball and are competitive. If they wanted to make money they would stay in the industry in which they originally made their fortune.
Put it another way: if you had $10 billion and bought the Rockies would you be more interested in making more money or making the Rockies win? So why would you assume that baseball owners are less a baseball fan than you are? It may not seem that the Pirates and Royals are trying to win, but they certainly are. It’s tougher for a small market team to make the playoffs, and it doesn’t make sense for a team like the Pirates to spend $15 million more a year to get from 70 wins to 80 wins (and still out of the playoffs) when they could build for a few more years and make a run later on with the prospects that they get from trades. Also, as RMN pointed out, they’re poorly run franchises, which also hinders their playoff runs.
by controlled_slide on Dec 23, 2009 11:43 AM MST up reply actions
When was the last time the Pirates were competitive?
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evidence of incompetence is not necessarily evidence of greed/malice
I’m with c_s on this. I think you can blame the Pirates woes over the past 17 years on Cam Bonifay et al, and by extension the owners for hiring them, but I don’t see a clear profit motive. Plus, I still hate how everybody treats the Forbes numbers as gospel when they clearly have been substantially off in the past. The Pirates have actually been more open about their finances than other teams, as I pointed out earlier in this article.
I'm still apprehensive about a salary floor
despite the fact that you have to have one or else the cheap get cheaper.
Reason being, how many teams will just pay some schlub way too much to sit on the bench or be a crappy player and even further wreck the market that’s already wrecked?
I know this happens with teams like the Mets and Cubs, but then suddenly a lot of cheap owners are doing it too, further wrecking the system.
This offseason is completely boring.
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by Andrew Martin on Dec 22, 2009 6:32 PM MST up reply actions
This is actually a good point and one I had not really thought about before.
Even with a floor, the Yankees and other teams are still going to get all the top tier free agents and are going to be able to pony up the money to keep their superstars. So the other teams would essentially just be escalating salaries of all the other players, not necessarily spending the money for better players.
Ticket prices could also go up
What is great about the Pirates right now is that you can go to PNC park and get a great seat for $20. Sure they have a weird and completely ineffective way of building a team, but the seats are as cheap as minor league teams. If they had a salary floor that simply meant they had to play bad players more and ticket prices were forced to go up I wouldn’t go to games there.
I agree with this
I don’t think a salary floor is the answer either.
I think the answer is to make the luxury tax so high that it actually deters the Yankees from spending that much money.
I wonder if Bud Selig will give the Yankees a receipt with their World Series purchase
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 22, 2009 10:30 PM MST up reply actions
isn't that what the NBA does?
To all of the doubters, to all of the haters, one simple message:
We will be back! Our purple knights will be victorious once again.
by The Lodo Magic Man on Dec 22, 2009 10:33 PM MST up reply actions
I believe it's something like that but I'm not sure of all the details
I wonder if Bud Selig will give the Yankees a receipt with their World Series purchase
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 22, 2009 10:51 PM MST up reply actions
There's already a floor
With the minimum salary, ~$400K. That said, I still agree with you that an artificial floor won’t help at all. I believe that there should be a tiered cap system, i.e., 0-4 years: 1MM/Yr; 5-7 years: 5MM/Yr; 8+yrs: 12MM. Or something like that. The idea is, reward players that hang around the longest, based on their skills, value, and keep the guys with less tenure hungry. I’m not naive enough to think that this will happen, but it would be nice to short-circuit the Boras-like, over-inflated contracts that only a few teams can bid on.
The other benefit of such a cap is that it forces teams to develop home-grown talent to replace aging players who will depreciate over time, but it also allows most teams to hold onto their superstars (Read: Holliday) without breaking the bank
The problem here is that as soon as a player gets to their mid thirties
They will never get a contract again. It’s hard enough justifying $3m for most of the vets.
I don't see why
The point is that years of service andand a players skill will dictate salary. What I’m suggesting is that a player in their mid-30s with 8+ years of service is eligible for up to, say $12MM/year. So there’s a range between the league minimum and a maximum, based on years of service, which is still negotiable. The cap just levels the playing field so that even small market teams can compete and retain talent.
Take for example, Derek Jeter, who will be a FA next year. He’s been around for a long time, not to mention that he’s, cough, really, really good. The problem is that A-Rod beat him to the punch with his insane, bloated contract. But even the Yankees with their seemingly infinite supply of cash can’t afford another A-Rod sized contract for a guy who is a fan favorite (he’ll retire a Yankee, otherwise the entire Bronx will burn down), but also in his mid-30s. This kind of cap would make it easier for every team to hold onto the Jeters, Heltons, and perhaps Pujols in the league without breaking the bank.
Cheers
Oh, and I found the article
If we just use the raw numbers, it appears that at least 10 teams collected $90 million-plus this year before they opened their ticket windows, let one car into their parking lots or sold one slice of pizza.
Wow.
I didn’t think MLB teams were that profitable, those are some incredible figures. Anyone know how much the Rockies cable deal nets them?
ROCKEFELLER!!!
From Stark's article
• Local TV/radio/cable: Good luck getting these exact figures. But we know that 29 of the 30 teams make at least $15 million a year in local broadcast money, and no team rakes in under $12 million. Obviously, some clubs collect much, much more than that. Or own their networks. Or both.
My guess is that the Rockies are closer to the bottom than to the top. Thanks to two recent post-season appearances it’s probably been on an overall trend upwards.
Not when it comes to TV money, though
I don’t know the status of the Rockies’ contract with FSN, but local TV deals are normally of 10-, 15-, 20- year lengths, so unless the Rox deal just came up for renewal, the recent playoff appearances would really not have meant much more $$$ to the Rox from a local TV standpoint. Unless, that is, the team gets to share in FSRM’s commercial revenue during broadcasts, which presumably have gone up a bit as the Rox’ local TV ratings have gone up.
The above notwithstanding, FSRM actually owns a piece of the ballclub, too, if memory serves. And if so, that undoubtedly skews the accounting somewhat.
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I assumed it was a percentage deal,
though I admit I’m not sure how the deal is actually structured. I believe Fox Sports does still have an ownership stake in the team which certainly would affect the numbers.
I wonder if they get a kickback
because remember that postseason baseball isn’t on FSNRM, but rather TBS or FOX
This offseason is completely boring.
http://www.youtube.com/user/rockiesmagicnumber
by Andrew Martin on Dec 22, 2009 6:33 PM MST up reply actions
I hear there's only one October...
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
Your place for all the fisting coverage
"I clearly miscalculated how popular it would be to show Calvin urinating on a Ford logo"--Bill Watterson
by frightened inmate #2 on Dec 23, 2009 9:31 AM MST up reply actions
Damn straight
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 23, 2009 9:38 AM MST up reply actions
Both sides in this have personal interests at stake
There are also non-payroll expenses (paying down debts, building acadamies in Latin America, etc) which Scott Boras and the player’s association is happy to ignore. Ownership likes to leave out those additional revenues (MLBN, regional tv deals, etc) from the discussion.
Extending a payroll floor like Stark is talking about would probably cause more issues than it solves and inflate salaries across the board which wouldn’t change the competitive balance. The current system is quite a joke though. It’s just that I doubt any significant changes can be made while both sides have no incentive to debate it in good faith since the result of proposals is typically an argument over whether salaries should rise or fall.
If the finances were made more transparent then there could probably a good faith debate. As it is now, it just seems like a constant stream of misinformation bouncing back and forth.
This is what it all boils down to for me.
Is the problem COMPETITIVE imbalance or FINANCIAL imbalance? Because if you attempt to solve for the problem of financial imbalance, that doesn’t necessarily solve the problem of competitive imbalance. It might make it more likely that everyone could compete, but that’s all.
To return to Redhawk’s Escalade example:
Some Rowbots drive Escalades, others don’t. Russ, as head-dictator, declares all Escalade drivers have to send non-Escalade drivers a check for $100. Would this mean all Rowbots would become Escalade drivers? No, it might mean that there would be more Escalade drivers, but some of us would rather spend those dollars in other ways. Likewise, there are owners who will take revenue-sharing dollars and put them in their pockets because there is no requirement that they use that money to field a competitive team. You could give the Twins $200 million/year, and it wouldn’t turn the Twins into the Yankees, as much as it would turn Carl Pohlad into George Steinbrenner.
Ignorance of the American League is a sign of good moral character.
Look out Dodgers...Purple objects in mirror are closer than they appear.
I'll be the guy in a orange shirt EVERY Monday...Broncos are my team win or lose.
well if there WAS financial balance
then it comes down to just competence. You can’t fix stupid, in any business or part of life. But it’s not fair to expect some row bots to win the best Escalade contest, if some can afford it, and some can’t. And using my example…until there is a PURE revenue sharing or a pure salary cap…there will be financial imbalances.
Right now the way MLB is set up 22 of the teams are minor league systems for the other 8, and getting more so all the time. Look at the playoffs, and look at the top 10 payroll teams. And low and behold, with only a couple exceptions over the last few years, the playoff teams, are the ones with the highest payroll.
Nope, it doesn't come down to compentence in that case.
In a world where there was perfect financial balance, some owners would put those resources on the field, and others would put them in their pockets.
Ignorance of the American League is a sign of good moral character.
Look out Dodgers...Purple objects in mirror are closer than they appear.
I'll be the guy in a orange shirt EVERY Monday...Broncos are my team win or lose.
I should say...
In a world where there was perfect financial balance, some owners would put those resources on the field (some competently, some not), and others would put those resources in their pockets.
Ignorance of the American League is a sign of good moral character.
Look out Dodgers...Purple objects in mirror are closer than they appear.
I'll be the guy in a orange shirt EVERY Monday...Broncos are my team win or lose.
but that is to me "competence"
at least they would all start equal. Which right now is far from happening.
I think I agree with Redhawk
I think the idea is equal opportunity not equal results.
I wonder if Bud Selig will give the Yankees a receipt with their World Series purchase
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 22, 2009 10:34 PM MST up reply actions
I love how this whole argument involves attempting to stem the natural market
while imposing external and arbitrary restrictions. Guys, this is America, not Cuba…
Baseball teams are not competing against one another in the market
The Yankees by no means want the Pirates to go out of business. Baseball is competing against, for example, Football. And if restrictions lead to a more desirable product, then baseball will implement them internally.
by controlled_slide on Dec 23, 2009 10:53 AM MST up reply actions
650 PA
Seems like a lot of love for a guy who only has 650 major league plate appearances. Yes, I know the Row loves this guy but how about we see what he does next season before he is the next…….
he is certainly a candidate for a marked disappointment
Given his success in the majors was about ten weeks long.
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 22, 2009 11:04 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
But it was pretty clutch.
"I clearly miscalculated how popular it would be to show Calvin urinating on a Ford logo"--Bill Watterson
by frightened inmate #2 on Dec 22, 2009 11:25 AM MST up reply actions
Oh so NOW you site "clutchiness" :P
Dear Rockies-Thank you for a wonderful rollercoaster season! Best turnaround in MLB history to become NL Wild Card Champs.
Garrett Atkins-So Long, Farewell, Auf weidersehen, Goodbye!! You were a great Rockie! GOOD LUCK!
Troy Tulowitzki-MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba- Re-sign!! he's en Fuego!!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!
err...cite
Dear Rockies-Thank you for a wonderful rollercoaster season! Best turnaround in MLB history to become NL Wild Card Champs.
Garrett Atkins-So Long, Farewell, Auf weidersehen, Goodbye!! You were a great Rockie! GOOD LUCK!
Troy Tulowitzki-MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba- Re-sign!! he's en Fuego!!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!
yep
we shall see what he does this year in a full season…i think he is going to be a great player but now i gotta see it for more than half a yr…Go Cargo
we seem to have gotten over that HURDLE
thanks for a great season Rockies!
LETS GO WINGS!
by TuLoRocks2008 on Dec 22, 2009 12:08 PM MST up reply actions
Well, it worked once this year when they completely telegraphed the fake field goal.
Granted, it was against the Broncos that it worked.
"I clearly miscalculated how popular it would be to show Calvin urinating on a Ford logo"--Bill Watterson
by frightened inmate #2 on Dec 22, 2009 11:26 AM MST up reply actions
It's the Redskins
Thats all you need to know.
It’s like asking why the Pirates signed two Indian cricket players, because it’s the Pirates.
Whoa guy
they were javelin throwers – the Pirates wouldn’t be caught dead signing cricketers…
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
They were both?
Pittsburgh Pirates sign Indian cricket players….Rinku Singh and Dinesh Patel, who grew up playing cricket in India and had never held a baseball until April….
http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5jNTISka0-ucftf1Suc81RUDW1M2w
Neither pitcher has taken the mound in a game situation, no doubt a first for a Pirates prospect. They have pitched in scrimmages against junior college competition. Both threw the javelin in Indiahttp://sports.espn.go.com/espn/wire?section=mlb&id=3724913
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 22, 2009 4:03 PM MST up reply actions
I wonder if the cricket comment reference
was just whoever wrote it assuming they played cricket.
The only reason I say this is because when you pitch (or bowl, or hurl, or whatever the hell it’s called) in cricket, you’re not allowed to bend your elbow – which I’m pretty sure wouldn’t translate at all on the pitching mound.
Not that javelin throwing translates perfectly…
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
Let's just hope they don't think they should bat with the javelin...
just sayin’
Dear Rockies-Thank you for a wonderful rollercoaster season! Best turnaround in MLB history to become NL Wild Card Champs.
Garrett Atkins-So Long, Farewell, Auf weidersehen, Goodbye!! You were a great Rockie! GOOD LUCK!
Troy Tulowitzki-MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba- Re-sign!! he's en Fuego!!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!
Every guy in India plays cricket
At what level is questionable.
by KindredSprites on Dec 22, 2009 6:46 PM MST up reply actions
Cricket??!?! NOBODY understands cricket!
You gotta know what a crumpet is, to understand cricket!
To all of the doubters, to all of the haters, one simple message:
We will be back! Our purple knights will be victorious once again.
by The Lodo Magic Man on Dec 22, 2009 6:50 PM MST up reply actions
I understand cricket!!! I played cricket with some Indian employees at my old company
It was great fun….and I also know what a crumpet is….
Dear Rockies-Thank you for a wonderful rollercoaster season! Best turnaround in MLB history to become NL Wild Card Champs.
Garrett Atkins-So Long, Farewell, Auf weidersehen, Goodbye!! You were a great Rockie! GOOD LUCK!
Troy Tulowitzki-MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba- Re-sign!! he's en Fuego!!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!
someone has never seen the first ninja turtles movie.....
To all of the doubters, to all of the haters, one simple message:
We will be back! Our purple knights will be victorious once again.
by The Lodo Magic Man on Dec 22, 2009 7:05 PM MST up reply actions
someone has never seen any ninja turtles movie
Dear Rockies-Thank you for a wonderful rollercoaster season! Best turnaround in MLB history to become NL Wild Card Champs.
Garrett Atkins-So Long, Farewell, Auf weidersehen, Goodbye!! You were a great Rockie! GOOD LUCK!
Troy Tulowitzki-MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba- Re-sign!! he's en Fuego!!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!
Didn't see any of them either.
nor either Transformers movie.
And proud of it.
And I’ve seen some Indian cricket. Not as amazing as their Bollywood actresses but still pretty intense.
I did see both Transformers movies..
which were actually far more entertaining than I would have ever guessed.
…that is the current Transformers movies..
Dear Rockies-Thank you for a wonderful rollercoaster season! Best turnaround in MLB history to become NL Wild Card Champs.
Garrett Atkins-So Long, Farewell, Auf weidersehen, Goodbye!! You were a great Rockie! GOOD LUCK!
Troy Tulowitzki-MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba- Re-sign!! he's en Fuego!!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!
So, to get the attached video, you have to understand both cricket and British humour.
But give it a go. It’s pretty clever :)
cricket?!
in YORKSHIRE?!
This offseason is completely boring.
http://www.youtube.com/user/rockiesmagicnumber
by Andrew Martin on Dec 23, 2009 10:53 AM MST up reply actions
funny stuff
Dear Rockies-Thank you for a wonderful rollercoaster season! Best turnaround in MLB history to become NL Wild Card Champs.
Garrett Atkins-So Long, Farewell, Auf weidersehen, Goodbye!! You were a great Rockie! GOOD LUCK!
Troy Tulowitzki-MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba- Re-sign!! he's en Fuego!!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!
Sure
So can someone please explain this to me?
That’s what a coach that is going to lose his job in a week does.
He fails… in an epic way.
The oxen are slow, but the earth is patient.
by rockieprogress on Dec 22, 2009 11:54 AM MST up reply actions
jim zorn
is on his way out he figured he would try something crazy and see if it works lol
we seem to have gotten over that HURDLE
thanks for a great season Rockies!
LETS GO WINGS!
by TuLoRocks2008 on Dec 22, 2009 12:06 PM MST up reply actions
Jim Zorn - "Ha, I'll bet Mike Shanahan never tried this.."
Dear Rockies-Thank you for a wonderful rollercoaster season! Best turnaround in MLB history to become NL Wild Card Champs.
Garrett Atkins-So Long, Farewell, Auf weidersehen, Goodbye!! You were a great Rockie! GOOD LUCK!
Troy Tulowitzki-MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba- Re-sign!! he's en Fuego!!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!
Here's a youtbue vid of a very popualr and often successful rugby play
Which is what the football vdi I posted reminded me of:
rugby is awesome..
seriously, those are some badass boys that play rugby
Dear Rockies-Thank you for a wonderful rollercoaster season! Best turnaround in MLB history to become NL Wild Card Champs.
Garrett Atkins-So Long, Farewell, Auf weidersehen, Goodbye!! You were a great Rockie! GOOD LUCK!
Troy Tulowitzki-MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba- Re-sign!! he's en Fuego!!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!
by SDcat09 on Dec 23, 2009 6:45 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
my cousin plays for the USA national team
The women’s team anyway. I spent a night with the team – there’s some scary women that play rugby
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 23, 2009 7:08 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
+1,000,000 and rec'd.
Played the game for 12 years, until my fifth concussion Aikman’d my career….
Watching the purple row from high atop the big brown monolith on California Ave
That's not really a trick play, though
It is something that’s usually tried when you’re further away from the try line, and not really something you try in the last minute, but it’s actually a fairly common tactic, and a play I used to see at least a couple times a game.
In fact, the last time I saw it tried at the end of a game was when I tried it myself and, unfortunately, didn’t get enough elevation on the pop kick to keep the defender from deflecting in….epic fail on my part.
Watching the purple row from high atop the big brown monolith on California Ave
It could be, though I suspect Jim Zorn doesn't spend much time on YouTube
…hmm….given his obvious coaching acumen, I take that back.
Watching the purple row from high atop the big brown monolith on California Ave
by Mondogarage on Dec 23, 2009 11:48 AM MST up reply actions
Cargo and the guys...
I’m new to ever posting anything…but I’m die’n for spring training to get going and I don’t understand something
maybe you all can help me…
Why all the talk of everything ELSE about the Rocks’ yet no one pounding on the door about what Yorvit is gonna do!!!!
Did I miss something?
Yes, you missed a lot
Both sides are rumored to be done negotiating with eachother. So, we are just waiting for something to happen now.
Also, these rockpiles are meant to be discussions about news articles. If there is no news, than we can’t post it.
Welcome to the Row!
If (and when) anything happens with Yorvit, this is the place to go for an unhealthy amount of impassioned discussion on the topic.
ROCKEFELLER!!!
Yeah if you want Yorvit talk
This is the first place to come once something happens. (It might even get ugly) ;-)
I wonder if Bud Selig will give the Yankees a receipt with their World Series purchase
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 22, 2009 3:07 PM MST up reply actions
ugly in the most beautiful way
Dear Rockies-Thank you for a wonderful rollercoaster season! Best turnaround in MLB history to become NL Wild Card Champs.
Garrett Atkins-So Long, Farewell, Auf weidersehen, Goodbye!! You were a great Rockie! GOOD LUCK!
Troy Tulowitzki-MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba- Re-sign!! he's en Fuego!!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!
or ugly in the most personal, whining, attacking-the-wrong-issues way
This offseason is completely boring.
http://www.youtube.com/user/rockiesmagicnumber
by Andrew Martin on Dec 22, 2009 6:36 PM MST up reply actions
that too
Dear Rockies-Thank you for a wonderful rollercoaster season! Best turnaround in MLB history to become NL Wild Card Champs.
Garrett Atkins-So Long, Farewell, Auf weidersehen, Goodbye!! You were a great Rockie! GOOD LUCK!
Troy Tulowitzki-MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba- Re-sign!! he's en Fuego!!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!
Or ugly in the most banhammer way
Watching the purple row from high atop the big brown monolith on California Ave
HAHHA
WHERE DA YORVIT TALK
This offseason is completely boring.
http://www.youtube.com/user/rockiesmagicnumber
by Andrew Martin on Dec 22, 2009 12:22 PM MST up reply actions
Yorvit is watching the Mets negotiate with Bengie Molina...
and maybe hoping the Giants come a’ calling. Still $400K apart and waiting…
i get the impression bridges have been all but burned
This offseason is completely boring.
http://www.youtube.com/user/rockiesmagicnumber
by Andrew Martin on Dec 22, 2009 11:13 PM MST up reply actions
Tulo question
I think the answer to whether or not Tulo can avoid a slow start is: “if tulo starts the year where his batting stance is facing Goodman and Frazier in the booth, expect a slow start.”
"I clearly miscalculated how popular it would be to show Calvin urinating on a Ford logo"--Bill Watterson
by frightened inmate #2 on Dec 22, 2009 11:46 AM MST reply actions
he certainly should not be imitating Edgar Renteria
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 22, 2009 11:55 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
yea eww please don't
we seem to have gotten over that HURDLE
thanks for a great season Rockies!
LETS GO WINGS!
by TuLoRocks2008 on Dec 22, 2009 12:09 PM MST up reply actions
I think he'll do better than the .194 April average he has shown up to this point in his career
but I’m starting to think that it just takes a little while for him to get going.
I wonder if Bud Selig will give the Yankees a receipt with their World Series purchase
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 22, 2009 3:09 PM MST up reply actions
Which is odd
I know Spring Training stats don’t mean much because of alot of the matchups, but he seems to play quite well in ST.
I never know what to make of ST stats
I usually disregard them because there are so many x factors at work
I wonder if Bud Selig will give the Yankees a receipt with their World Series purchase
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 22, 2009 10:43 PM MST up reply actions
laffin
This offseason is completely boring.
http://www.youtube.com/user/rockiesmagicnumber
by Andrew Martin on Dec 22, 2009 12:23 PM MST up reply actions
what is happening to the Angels?
they are reacting to the Mariners in completely the wrong way
ROCKEFELLER!!!
So they want to go six outs without a heartbeat instead of just three
I wonder if Bud Selig will give the Yankees a receipt with their World Series purchase
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 22, 2009 3:10 PM MST up reply actions
Hey
You were the one that pointed out Rodney led MLB in percentage of save opportunities converted into wins last year
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 22, 2009 3:40 PM MST up reply actions
SAVES
This offseason is completely boring.
http://www.youtube.com/user/rockiesmagicnumber
by Andrew Martin on Dec 22, 2009 6:35 PM MST up reply actions
Clearly my stat needs work
or at least a larger sample size.
I wonder if Bud Selig will give the Yankees a receipt with their World Series purchase
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 22, 2009 10:47 PM MST up reply actions
Angels fans in the 8th and 9th innings:
To all of the doubters, to all of the haters, one simple message:
We will be back! Our purple knights will be victorious once again.
by The Lodo Magic Man on Dec 22, 2009 6:40 PM MST up reply actions
We, Rockies fans, should be more understanding about this condition
Dear Rockies-Thank you for a wonderful rollercoaster season! Best turnaround in MLB history to become NL Wild Card Champs.
Garrett Atkins-So Long, Farewell, Auf weidersehen, Goodbye!! You were a great Rockie! GOOD LUCK!
Troy Tulowitzki-MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba- Re-sign!! he's en Fuego!!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!
no
To all of the doubters, to all of the haters, one simple message:
We will be back! Our purple knights will be victorious once again.
by The Lodo Magic Man on Dec 22, 2009 6:50 PM MST up reply actions
Matching Rodney with Fuentes?
Egads. Let’s put Chacon and 2008 Corpas next to each other and see what happens
ROCKEFELLER!!!
no the heart attack factor
Dear Rockies-Thank you for a wonderful rollercoaster season! Best turnaround in MLB history to become NL Wild Card Champs.
Garrett Atkins-So Long, Farewell, Auf weidersehen, Goodbye!! You were a great Rockie! GOOD LUCK!
Troy Tulowitzki-MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba- Re-sign!! he's en Fuego!!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!
Chacon??...OH GOD FATHERS DAY 2004....
curls into a fetal position in the corner
To all of the doubters, to all of the haters, one simple message:
We will be back! Our purple knights will be victorious once again.
by The Lodo Magic Man on Dec 22, 2009 7:04 PM MST up reply actions
man that was a rough day
poor “my dad”
This offseason is completely boring.
http://www.youtube.com/user/rockiesmagicnumber
by Andrew Martin on Dec 22, 2009 11:13 PM MST up reply actions
haha i read that as godfathers day 2004
i was like theres a day for that?
by purplesocks on Dec 23, 2009 10:18 AM MST up reply actions
ok, now you all have made me do it
I’ve working on some Rockies trivia stuff I’m going create a fanpost for.
To all of the doubters, to all of the haters, one simple message:
We will be back! Our purple knights will be victorious once again.
by The Lodo Magic Man on Dec 22, 2009 9:20 PM MST reply actions
will be up shortly
To all of the doubters, to all of the haters, one simple message:
We will be back! Our purple knights will be victorious once again.
by The Lodo Magic Man on Dec 22, 2009 9:20 PM MST up reply actions
now up
To all of the doubters, to all of the haters, one simple message:
We will be back! Our purple knights will be victorious once again.
by The Lodo Magic Man on Dec 22, 2009 10:33 PM MST up reply actions
yaaaaaay
This offseason is completely boring.
http://www.youtube.com/user/rockiesmagicnumber
by Andrew Martin on Dec 22, 2009 11:13 PM MST up reply actions
Looks like
we didn’t get a visit from Santa Kruk
I wonder if Bud Selig will give the Yankees a receipt with their World Series purchase
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 23, 2009 12:04 AM MST reply actions
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